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https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81672035
I have mentioned the book in the past about how ordinary people can end up doing terrible things.
I have also mentioned Carl Jungs "Shadow". these things are explained here
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Good podcast summarizing the book, link below:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2C9Y1k5DynYZLrjZ8ZRIRF?si=52e80b86a3af456c
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Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.
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Only just signed up to Netflix last month (I know I'm late to the game) and noticed that. It's definitely on my list. Much better quality docs than Now TV has, for sure.
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Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.
people who look at the Nazis at Aushwitz and say "I could never do something like that" are the most dangerous people of all.
To be good you must first understand about the levels of evil and depravity you are capeable of.
It takes courage to sit down and try and put yourself in the place of a camp guard and imagine yourself doing the things they did and accepting that you yourself under the right/wrong circumstances you would have done exactly the same thing.
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Ordinary men comitted and still commit atrocities worldwide, but by some magic reason, only nazis did them. The Jews must be the forever victims. The chosen ones are more human than other races.
They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim. It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.
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They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim. It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.
oh vey,,,
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people who look at the Nazis at Aushwitz and say "I could never do something like that" are the most dangerous people of all.
To be good you must first understand about the levels of evil and depravity you are capeable of.
It takes courage to sit down and try and put yourself in the place of a camp guard and imagine yourself doing the things they did and accepting that you yourself under the right/wrong circumstances you would have done exactly the same thing.
Again with the Nazis at Auschwitz.
All my life people have told me I'll go along with the herd, as if it's a moral failing to do so, and then when I don't they're confused and upset with me and unwilling to have a rational discussion.
It's not a big mystery. People just respond to immediate incentives. It doesn't mean they're secretly evil. They're just short term emotional thinkers who like profit and pleasure and dislike privation and pain. They'll gladly pay you Thursday for a hamburger today, no matter how usurious your interest on the burgerloan. The quality of the peasantry which sees it live hand to mouth in a state of perpetual hock is the same as that which sees the herd mortgage itself and its children into servitude in exchange for a comparatively meaningless, but immediate, benefit or reprieve from discomfort.
In that sense, although you could say they've been victimized by predators, the masses are getting precisely what they choose. It's fair to ask why people should be spared from their own inability to make good choices, as if some benevolent authority is obligated to swoop in, save shortsighted idiots from themselves, and deliver unto them everything a bunch of useless idiots could dream of, while they invest nothing to get it and sacrifice nothing for it.
Say a whole bunch of people end up living in foilhat dystopia. 15 minute vegans etc. It's bad and they're oppressed. You could call it evil. But kinda, if they took every step that led them there, they deserve it and you could call it justice, no?
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https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81672035
I have mentioned the book in the past about how ordinary people can end up doing terrible things.
I have also mentioned Carl Jungs "Shadow". these things are explained here
I will watch it. But reading the post it ties in with a book about policing called "The corruption of the Noble cause" in a nutshell it is about seemingly good cops who violate the law for the "good of the people".
Rampart in L.A. was staffed with the best of the best cops, directed to catch the bad guys. They didn't start off lying, cheating,. planting evidence but it slowly evolved into that unchecked. They rationalized that it was for the good of the people. It wasn't, and never is. But I suspect the german soldiers experienced a similar thing
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Again with the Nazis at Auschwitz.
All my life people have told me I'll go along with the herd, as if it's a moral failing to do so, and then when I don't they're confused and upset with me and unwilling to have a rational discussion.
It's not a big mystery. People just respond to immediate incentives. It doesn't mean they're secretly evil. They're just short term emotional thinkers who like profit and pleasure and dislike privation and pain. They'll gladly pay you Thursday for a hamburger today, no matter how usurious your interest on the burgerloan. The quality of the peasantry which sees it live hand to mouth in a state of perpetual hock is the same as that which sees the herd mortgage itself and its children into servitude in exchange for a comparatively meaningless, but immediate, benefit or reprieve from discomfort.
In that sense, although you could say they've been victimized by predators, the masses are getting precisely what they choose. It's fair to ask why people should be spared from their own inability to make good choices, as if some benevolent authority is obligated to swoop in, save shortsighted idiots from themselves, and deliver unto them everything a bunch of useless idiots could dream of, while they invest nothing to get it and sacrifice nothing for it.
Say a whole bunch of people end up living in foilhat dystopia. 15 minute vegans etc. It's bad and they're oppressed. You could call it evil. But kinda, if they took every step that led them there, they deserve it and you could call it justice, no?
Do you believe that circumstances couldnt lead you to committing acts of atrocities?
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They’re good at it. They instigate all sorts of shit and the moment anyone retaliates they become the victim. It’s to the point now that you cannot say anything negative about Jews no matter what atrocities they do and if you do comment , they Shane you by forcing you to publicly apologize.
Never apologize!
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Do you believe that circumstances couldnt lead you to committing acts of atrocities?
You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.
Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?
I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.
If that isn't his point then it ought to be.
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You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.
Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?
I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.
If that isn't his point then it ought to be.
Dude ignore him he´s a trolling prick
he likes to think he´s so smart but the reality is he sits at home taking his meds & has a fucked back ´cause he was a dumbass
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To be fair, minus the meds, back, and home thing, you could be describing me.
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:)
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Any explanation as to the cause of this species wide amnesia?
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Geez. Dude repackages the comedia del arte as archetypes and whacks together a few L. Ron Hubbardesque quotes and everyone's packing their bags for Jonestown.
Guy never saw a 5 aisle supermarket until he was like 80. He's gonna plumb the complexities of our modern condition?
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You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.
Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?
I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.
If that isn't his point then it ought to be.
The purpose is for each and every person to acknowledge that deep down in their psyche there is a demon just waiting for the right corcumstances to surface.
No exceptions.
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The part that I find funny is how perfectly logical it is to be evil.
The left tries to act as if Nazis were just irrational wackos, incompetent idiots etc.
I mean they were incompetent on some level, but you can get to similar conclusions with pure logic.
We're animals it is survival of the fittest. The reality is it's totally irrational to be a good person. It's what most of us want so it works, but it's not like you need some radical conversion to be evil.
Did anyone just get a virus from that link, my computar just crashed, I never click on shit, just really tired.
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The part that I find funny is how perfectly logical it is to be evil.
The left tries to act as if Nazis were just irrational wackos, incompetent idiots etc.
I mean they were incompetent on some level, but you can get to similar conclusions with pure logic.
We're animals it is survival of the fittest. The reality is it's totally irrational to be a good person. It's what most of us want so it works, but it's not like you need some radical conversion to be evil.
Did anyone just get a virus from that link, my computar just crashed, I never click on shit, just really tired.
Its straight off Netflix link, sorry about that pal
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Yeah it's all good realized I left mastercam running overnight. Too tired for this shit.
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Yeah it's all good realized I left mastercam running overnight. Too tired for this shit.
I have no idea what mastercam is but each to his own brother....
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The purpose is for each and every person to acknowledge that deep down in their psyche there is a demon just waiting for the right corcumstances to surface.
No exceptions.
I really doubt he's prescribing helplessness when greeted by the little diablo on your shoulder tho.
I like a lot of his stuff. Maybe a touch overbearing with his guests, and "Oh just take the damn shot" wasn't his finest hour, but I admire his brass balls in taking a stand on compelled speech a few years ago, especially since he hadn't established an internet presence and his livelihood was truly on the line.
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You're choosing to ignore every point I've made so looks like we're taking your path.
Sure, depending on the commentator. Of course one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, innit? Have you seen the news?
I'm not prepared to absolve myself of responsibility on the basis of nature or nurture, or that I'm somehow an automaton or a victim of circumstance. I suggest that Peterson knows perfectly well that a small percentage of the German population engaged in resistance so his rhetorical device isn't intended to have you agree that all the Germans were on autopilot and the Nazis weren't to blame for their own actions. His purpose is to illustrate the horrific possibilities of people refusing to acknowledge their moral responsibility.
If that isn't his point then it ought to be.
Or ones inability to tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter
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Or ones inability to tell the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter
there isnt a difference.
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there isnt a difference.
Oh you're just upset because they're giving Russell the treatment.
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In b4 "6 million arapening wonders."
One man's anti-corporatist freedom fighter is another establishment target.
They're gonna bake that poor British bloke's biscuits.
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there isnt a difference.
Move to Israel, your opinion will change real quick
If Palestine laid their weapons down there would be no more fighting
If Israel laid their weapons down there would be no more Israel
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Move to Israel, your opinion will change real quick
If Palestine laid their weapons down there would be no more fighting
If Israel laid their weapons down there would be no more Israel
And if the Israelis just stopped being cheap and screwing people over there would be no violence either. You like to leave that part out don'tcha
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Move to Israel, your opinion will change real quick
If Palestine laid their weapons down there would be no more fighting
If Israel laid their weapons down there would be no more Israel
whos land was it in the first place?
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/shrinking-palestine
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And if the Israelis just stopped being cheap and screwing people over there would be no violence either. You like to leave that part out don'tcha
Oh get fucked
100% of Islamic countries desire to see Israel and the all western nations conquered
And your part about Israel being cheap? Wtf does cheap have to do with it when your neighbors will stop at nothing to kill you
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Oh get fucked
100% of Islamic countries desire to see Israel and the all western nations concurred
And your part about Israel being cheap? Wtf does cheap have to do with it when your neighbors will stop at nothing to kill you
(https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1317416683/vector/palestinian-loss-of-land-1947-to-present-israel-vs-palestinian-war-israel-palestinian-map.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=is&k=20&c=oFzeEVtPt1w0uHgwKyN9yZFXBYc_laSGWRxhsknxg_4=)
Would you lay down your weapons if Russians started setting up shop in the USA and evicting all your neighbours?
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(https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1317416683/vector/palestinian-loss-of-land-1947-to-present-israel-vs-palestinian-war-israel-palestinian-map.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=is&k=20&c=oFzeEVtPt1w0uHgwKyN9yZFXBYc_laSGWRxhsknxg_4=)
Would you lay down your weapons if Russians started setting up shop in the USA and evicting all your neighbours?
Who occupied the land for thousands of years before Palastine was even a country?
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Who occupied the land for thousands of years before Palastine was even a country?
All sorts of people
It was onwards from 1948 when the problem started, the West sticking its fucking beak in again when it want their business by creating the state of Israel
Since then "mission creep" has seen the State of Israel occupy almost all the land
Try answering the Russian question.
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whos land was it in the first place?
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/shrinking-palestine
Probably the Phoenicians ;D
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All sorts of people
It was onwards from 1948 when the problem started, the West sticking its fucking beak in again when it want their business by creating the state of Israel
Since then "mission creep" has seen the State of Israel occupy almost all the land
Try answering the Russian question.
You think the problem started in 1948?
Israel has givin a shit load of land to palastine and yet it’s never enough
Do you understand the plight of Muslims?
What kind of question is that regarding Russia? Of course I would stand guard
Would you rather live in Israel or Palestine?
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Who occupied the land for thousands of years before Palastine was even a country?
Not a bunch of European Jews, that's an easy no.
Black Jesus and blue eyed israel ::) liberal trash
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Not a bunch of European Jews, that's an easy no.
Black Jesus and blue eyed israel ::) liberal trash
Agreed
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You think the problem started in 1948?
Israel has givin a shit load of land to palastine and yet it’s never enough
Do you understand the plight of Muslims?
What kind of question is that regarding Russia? Of course I would stand guard
Would you rather live in Israel or Palestine?
Yes, they are flooding the UK in their thousands every week
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You think the problem started in 1948?
Israel has givin a shit load of land to palastine and yet it’s never enough
Do you understand the plight of Muslims?
What kind of question is that regarding Russia? Of course I would stand guard
Would you rather live in Israel or Palestine?