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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Amerian Muscle on May 09, 2024, 02:13:31 PM
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When are you planning to give it all up ???
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When are you going to give up fapping on the couch?
You fap to muscle beasts and spend half your day doing it.
The doc you posted is very good, American Irish. He is still on TRT.
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When are you going to give up fapping on the couch?
You fap to muscle beasts and spend half your day doing it.
The doc you posted is very good, American Irish. He is still on TRT.
He seems to suggest that steroids after 40 are extremely risky
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If you're not competing give it up.
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If you're not competing give it up.
are you saying this unironically? What a joke criterion
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are you saying this unironically? What a joke criterion
Heed my advices.
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Heed my advices.
the give it up part was reasonable but the "unless you are competing" condition was pure idiocy
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I am 41, I will do another show or 2/3 at most. If I die I die.
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Do anything you want- as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Life is full of risk- once you accept that you make your way through it chasing whatever goals you have.
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Too many threads by this dickwad lately.
Same pattern as always.
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If you're insecure and need to walk around with muscles then stick needles in your ass. Just don't pretend it was your hard work because if it was you would look amazing without the assist. Nope, you look like crap without the pills, syringes and vials.
Something is very sad about a guy that will risk heart attack, strokes, liver damage, kidney damage and an enlarged prostate in return for compliments from the clueless.
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I am 41, I will do another show or 2/3 at most. If I die I die.
The thing is we will die regardless. So yeah what the hell
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Too many threads by this dickwad lately.
Same pattern as always.
but not all were terrible. For example patrick bateman 20204 and roellys grandmother is bulking. 2 classics and good entertainment value
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If you're insecure and need to walk around with muscles then stick needles in your ass. Just don't pretend it was your hard work because if it was you would look amazing without the assist. Nope, you look like crap without the pills, syringes and vials.
Something is very sad about a guy that will risk heart attack, strokes, liver damage, kidney damage and an enlarged prostate in return for compliments from the clueless.
Something is very sad and insecure about a bitter old man who on the one hand knows nearly every name in bodybuilding history and on the other discredits any accomplishment they may feel because they stuck needles in their ass.
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I am cheering for you, Ro. :-*
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Heed my advices...farewell...ano n...
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Risk is individual - not one size fits all.
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Heed my advices...farewell...ano n...
im going to stay natty. Gotta stay safe
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but not all were terrible. For example patrick bateman 20204 and roellys grandmother is bulking. 2 classics and good entertainment value
They all suck.
Go outside.
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can the op please start using his dj181 account
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Heed my advices.
IroNat sage
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They all suck.
Go outside.
agree to disagree
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can the op please start using his dj181 account
Not dj but someone else who's been banned 1000 times but I can't think of some of his original names.
Same shitty topics and posts.
...Grape will remember who...
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Train to your natty limit in teens to early 20s. Stay lean.
Juice responsibly for 5 or 6 years in your mid 20s. Don't blow up, just get as hard as possible and stay lean.
Go natty and stay natty for the next 15 to 20 years whilst trying to maintain as much size as possible. It's okay to get a little fluffy to maintain size.
Mid 40s jump on TRT. Stay lean and muscular. Upgrade your partner for a younger model
Kill yourself at 80
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Why 35? Why is that the magical number? I see no point in pushing grams but if everything with your blood and BP is in check what makes the difference? A 45 yr on gear on sitting around over eating and drinking beer every night...yet nobody says anything to the beer drinker or mildly obese middle aged man. I say do what u want and try to stay as healthy as u can
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IroNat sage
I thought the "farewell...anon" part was cool and sophisticated.
Read it somewhere.
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Why 35? Why is that the magical number? I see no point in pushing grams but if everything with your blood and BP is in check what makes the difference? A 45 yr on gear on sitting around over eating and drinking beer every night...yet nobody says anything to the beer drinker or mildly obese middle aged man. I say do what u want and try to stay as healthy as u can
35 is about 1 cycle length away from 40
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Over 35? 45? 55? 65? 75?
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I'd say 75. ^
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I'd say 75. ^
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His gyno is bigger than his bulge
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Something is very sad and insecure about a bitter old man who on the one hand knows nearly every name in bodybuilding history and on the other discredits any accomplishment they may feel because they stuck needles in their ass.
Yes he knows a lot of bb history, everyone in modern bb has been enhanced. His stance is very hard to understand.
So what if it didn't come from "hard work," what difference does it make. If I thought plastic surgery would help me I'd do all of it
Mentzer made a good point, why do people think rotting away in a gym dungeon is an accomplishment in itself. Sure it may help mental problems but...
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Mentzer made a good point, why do people think rotting away in a gym dungeon is an accomplishment in itself. Sure it may help mental problems but...
Because people are crabs in buckets
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Use as long as you want to. It is YOUR life. There is a HUGE difference between use and abuse. Nothing wrong with a man of ANY age keeping his test levels within the reasonable range for a 20 year old. I think it is bullshit that they lower the levels as we get older. makes no sense. So keep it up but not into the grams use and 4 or 5 compounds and fast burners and diuretics insulin etc. Just run some test maybe 200 - 400 mg a week or less. Donate blood every 8 weeks and have doctor do blood work . Many many people who never used gear never drank smoked or did street drugs will die and or have serious health problems even at a young age. So it is your life enjoy it.
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Use as long as you want to. It is YOUR life. There is a HUGE difference between use and abuse. Nothing wrong with a man of ANY age keeping his test levels within the reasonable range for a 20 year old. I think it is bullshit that they lower the levels as we get older. makes no sense. So keep it up but not into the grams use and 4 or 5 compounds and fast burners and diuretics insulin etc. Just run some test maybe 200 - 400 mg a week or less. Donate blood every 8 weeks and have doctor do blood work . Many many people who never used gear never drank smoked or did street drugs will die and or have serious health problems even at a young age. So it is your life enjoy it.
Thanks
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Use as long as you want to. It is YOUR life. There is a HUGE difference between use and abuse. Nothing wrong with a man of ANY age keeping his test levels within the reasonable range for a 20 year old. I think it is bullshit that they lower the levels as we get older. makes no sense. So keep it up but not into the grams use and 4 or 5 compounds and fast burners and diuretics insulin etc. Just run some test maybe 200 - 400 mg a week or less. Donate blood every 8 weeks and have doctor do blood work . Many many people who never used gear never drank smoked or did street drugs will die and or have serious health problems even at a young age. So it is your life enjoy it.
:)
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85?
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85?
72.
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I've noticed that once you hit 70 the body really starts going downhill fast.
Sarcopenia bigtime. Skin elasticity goes way down.
Not looking forward to it.
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Use as long as you want to. It is YOUR life. There is a HUGE difference between use and abuse. Nothing wrong with a man of ANY age keeping his test levels within the reasonable range for a 20 year old. I think it is bullshit that they lower the levels as we get older. makes no sense. So keep it up but not into the grams use and 4 or 5 compounds and fast burners and diuretics insulin etc. Just run some test maybe 200 - 400 mg a week or less. Donate blood every 8 weeks and have doctor do blood work . Many many people who never used gear never drank smoked or did street drugs will die and or have serious health problems even at a young age. So it is your life enjoy it.
If you abuse your body in any way it causes damage, whether by smoking, suntanning, drinking, poor nutrition, using hormone drugs, etc.
This doesn't make abusing your body smart.
Genetics plays a large role in longevity and health and how resilient your body is to abuse.
You are free in a manner of speaking, depending on legality, to abuse your body and test its limits to such abuse.
Carry on.
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Not dj but someone else who's been banned 1000 times but I can't think of some of his original names.
Same shitty topics and posts.
...Grape will remember who...
Top poodle, Lex Reeves, Ranger will?
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I think a better question is the risk of not managing your hormones after 45/50 acceptable?
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He seems to suggest that steroids after 40 are extremely risky
Ronnie @ age 40
(https://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/24644d1067659397-2003-russian-grand-prix-ruwb0034.jpg)
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Ronnie @ age 40
(https://forums.steroid.com/attachments/pro-news/24644d1067659397-2003-russian-grand-prix-ruwb0034.jpg)
ronnie did all that without losing his fertility
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I`m on a cycle right now .....I`ll be 69 on June 7th.
I plan on using quite a bit more stuff for my contest when I hit 70.
I look great, and feel like a kid.......I`m not your average Yogi Fucking Bear!
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ronnie did all that without losing his fertility
Even kept a full head of hair - he's a genetic miracle in many ways
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155767.0;attach=174928)
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I`m on a cycle right now .....I`ll be 69 on June 7th.
I plan on using quite a bit more stuff for my contest when I hit 70.
Do you have family/kids/grandchildren?
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Even kept a full head of hair - he's a genetic miracle in many ways
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=155767.0;attach=174928)
Maybe he was conservative like liar priest
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A better question would be, are the risks worth it BEFORE age 35.
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A better question would be, are the risks worth it BEFORE age 35.
that question is only relevant for those in that age group. But I would say the answer is no. Steroids are never worth it
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that question is only relevant for those in that age group. But I would say the answer is no. Steroids are never worth it
CBum might disagree with you.
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CBum might disagree with you.
That remains to be seen.
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I think a better question is, from my personal experience, is the risk of not managing your hormones after 45/50 age 20 acceptable?
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any plans to avoid it?
What else can you do but keep active, avoid black ice, falling from high places, and drink the blood of young men?
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That remains to be seen.
I think your too scared about it.
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I think your too scared about it.
He already had some kidney issues in his mid 20s
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He already had some kidney issues in his mid 20s
He has an auto immune condition but did the roids create it? Did you get the covid vaccine?
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He has an auto immune condition but did they roads create it? Did you get the covid vaccine?
I am sure roids didnt help his condition. I didnt get the vaccine because the whole thing was suspect. Getting a vaccine 1-2 years into a "pandemic" while miraclously never getting sick? Does it make sense to you? I am not convinced there ever was a virus
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I am sure roids didnt help his condition. I didnt get the vaccine because the whole thing was suspect. Getting a vaccine 1-2 years into a "pandemic" while miraclously never getting sick? Does it make sense to you? I am not convinced there ever was a virus
There was a virus. Got it twice. Symptoms way milder than a flu, just tired. Never been jabbed.
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There was a virus. Got it twice. Symptoms way milder than a flu, just tired. Never been jabbed.
How are you then sure it was not flu?
I never had flu as far as I know.
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How are you then sure it was not flu?
I never had flu as far as I know.
Lots of people argue vehemently that there's no such thing as a virus, any virus. But I think we all know if we are among sick people there's a big chance we all get sick. What is that then, some type of social collective contagion entirely in our minds?
I think there definitely is the Cov virus. Not just rebranded flu. If there wasn't we should just start to wonder if our reality is real in any sense. All these scientists in different and adversarial countries believe in the same thing. Only one person who didn't believe: Lukashenko, who said whatever it is it can be cured with vodka and by driving a tractor (really). Must be a retard? ???
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Lots of people argue vehemently that there's no such thing as a virus, any virus. But I think we all know if we are among sick people there's a big chance we all get sick. What is that then, some type of social collective contagion entirely in our minds?
I think there definitely is the Cov virus. Not just rebranded flu. If there wasn't we should just start to wonder if our reality is real in any sense. All these scientists in different and adversarial countries believe in the same thing. Only one person who didn't believe: Lukashenko, who said whatever it is it can be cured with vodka and by driving a tractor (really). Must be a retard? ???
Dont be naive
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Dont be naive
Please explain :D
So the virus isn't real because you have a "hunch" basically? You didn't commit to the opinion fully but you feel something is wrong. If everything is a conspiracy you can't trust anything, even your own senses.
With AI we can't trust video or audio anymore. They say it's impossible to actually prove if some of these are legit or not. If we go outside can we trust our visual input? Of course there are some who believe we are just characters in a computer game and the computers memory is running out.
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Please explain :D
So the virus isn't real because you have a "hunch" basically? You didn't commit to the opinion fully but you feel something is wrong. If everything is a conspiracy you can't trust anything, even your own senses.
With AI we can't trust video or audio anymore. They say it's impossible to actually prove if some of these are legit or not. If we go outside can we trust our visual input? Of course there are some who believe we are just characters in a computer game and the computers memory is running out.
Your comment about adversarial countries was total naivity or complicitness. Since post world war 2 we have been in 1 world government.
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Your comment about adversarial countries was total naivity or complicitness. Since post world war 2 we have been in 1 world government.
The thing is you don't know for sure. Like is America and Russia ruled by the same dictator, and the war is not real? Who is it?
Anything is possible but I claim you don't actually know.
Why only after WWII? Hitler said the same people started both WWI and WWII. And the people he blamed are now ruling the whole world. Maybe you agree?
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Please explain :D
So the virus isn't real because you have a "hunch" basically? You didn't commit to the opinion fully but you feel something is wrong. If everything is a conspiracy you can't trust anything, even your own senses.
With AI we can't trust video or audio anymore. They say it's impossible to actually prove if some of these are legit or not. If we go outside can we trust our visual input? Of course there are some who believe we are just characters in a computer game and the computers memory is running out.
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The thing is you don't know for sure. Like is America and Russia ruled by the same dictator, and the war is not real? Who is it?
Anything is possible but I claim you don't actually know.
Why only after WWII? Hitler said the same people started both WWI and WWII. And the people he blamed are now ruling the whole world. Maybe you agree?
you dont actually know but ridicule people who think differently from you. Ok
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If there is no such things as viruses this germ research is fake :D
Some believe the US used germ warfare in Korea I think it was? Also again not long ago to destroy China's industries such as pig or poultry industries. The Cov could be warfare, but who is responsible, China or the US?
you dont actually know but ridicule people who think differently from you. Ok
It's not my intention to ridicule. Just saying how it looks to me, I don't actually know what is going on. But people are SO sure their angle is the correct one ???
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If there is no such things as viruses this germ research is fake :D
Some believe the US used germ warfare in Korea I think it was? Also again not long ago to destroy China's industries such as pig or poultry industries. The Cov could be warfare, but who is responsible, China or the US?
Simple answer..they are all at it. There´s no good guys or Bad guys.
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Simple answer..they are all at it. There´s no good guys or Bad guys.
Yeah I don't necessarily believe in morality in the first place.
So you think several countries do germ research but also that they are actually adversarial, not all working for the same entity like a Cabal? I was questioning the idea that all these countries got together and decided to launch this psy-op abouut fake viruses.
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If you're insecure and need to walk around with muscles then stick needles in your ass. Just don't pretend it was your hard work because if it was you would look amazing without the assist. Nope, you look like crap without the pills, syringes and vials.
Something is very sad about a guy that will risk heart attack, strokes, liver damage, kidney damage and an enlarged prostate in return for compliments from the clueless.
Ahh well then I'm fine then as I only stick needles in my Delts.
Phew had me worried all my Muscle mass & hard work Counted
for nothing.
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Yeah I don't necessarily believe in morality in the first place.
So you think several countries do germ research but also that they are actually adversarial, not all working for the same entity like a Cabal? I was questioning the idea that all these countries got together and decided to launch this psy-op abouut fake viruses.
The perfect alignment of all these countries was just more evidence of 1 world government being in place
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If you're insecure and need to walk around with muscles then stick needles in your ass. Just don't pretend it was your hard work because if it was you would look amazing without the assist. Nope, you look like crap without the pills, syringes and vials.
Something is very sad about a guy that will risk heart attack, strokes, liver damage, kidney damage and an enlarged prostate in return for compliments from the clueless.
Man...You nailed it....The whole thing is a sickness.
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Man...You nailed it....The whole thing is a sickness.
I am not sure tho if it is only caused by insecurity. A lot more elements
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Yeah I don't necessarily believe in morality in the first place.
So you think several countries do germ research but also that they are actually adversarial, not all working for the same entity like a Cabal? I was questioning the idea that all these countries got together and decided to launch this psy-op abouut fake viruses.
I do not think it started this way but it has now gone in this direction ( in my opinion)
Do you seriously think your retarded President is really running your country?
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Do you really think anyone is running anything? The world is full of morons on every level in every government, corporation, lab, organization etc etc no one's plans ever workout.
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I do not think it started this way but it has now gone in this direction ( in my opinion)
Do you seriously think your retarded President is really running your country?
Of course I don't think Biden is running anything. But if you believe in the Deep State then you don't believe any president is really running anything. And then we can debate if Trump is part of the DS, the swamp. Lots of people who were Trump supporters now think he is part of the same swamp. Because if he is not, and the DS is running things, how come Trump is the presumptive nominee now? But I do hope he is still alive come the election and wins... there will be so much comedy.
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Of course I don't think Biden is running anything. But if you believe in the Deep State then you don't believe any president is really running anything. And then we can debate if Trump is part of the DS, the swamp. Lots of people who were Trump supporters now think he is part of the same swamp. Because if he is not, and the DS is running things, how come Trump is the presumptive nominee now? But I do hope he is still alive come the election and wins... there will be so much comedy.
If there was a so called "Deep state" of a few people running everything then why do we have spies?
Couldnt they just phone each other up and keep each other up to date?
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The U.S. is like a supercarrier.
Every few years they change the Captain but the ship just continues sailing on its course regardless.
What is the mission? The preservation of its existence.
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The U.S. is like a supercarrier.
Every few years they change the Captain but the ship just continues sailing on its course regardless.
What is the mission? The preservation of its existence.
I think I could narrow down its true mission quite a bit, but then I would become a person of interest to the establishment.
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I think I could narrow down its true mission quite a bit, but then I would become a person of interest to the establishment.
No, I got to hear this please do tell what is the ultimate true purpose of our suppression?
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Of course I don't think Biden is running anything. But if you believe in the Deep State then you don't believe any president is really running anything. And then we can debate if Trump is part of the DS, the swamp. Lots of people who were Trump supporters now think he is part of the same swamp. Because if he is not, and the DS is running things, how come Trump is the presumptive nominee now? But I do hope he is still alive come the election and wins... there will be so much comedy.
This will make for some of the best Comedy ever. From his hilarious trolling, to the lefties losing their minds, melting and crying.
Would be hilarious.
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Of course I don't think Biden is running anything. But if you believe in the Deep State then you don't believe any president is really running anything. And then we can debate if Trump is part of the DS, the swamp. Lots of people who were Trump supporters now think he is part of the same swamp. Because if he is not, and the DS is running things, how come Trump is the presumptive nominee now? But I do hope he is still alive come the election and wins... there will be so much comedy.
if trump is part of the DS then why the rigged election ?
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The U.S. is like a supercarrier.
Every few years they change the Captain but the ship just continues sailing on its course regardless.
What is the mission? The preservation of its existence.
Their Greed will be their downfall. The USA is hated by many nations & the US has a finger in every pie.
most americans i have met were OK but very assuming.
I do not dislike the USA but it´s influence in the world has been in recent years in my opinion very negative.
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No, I got to hear this please do tell what is the ultimate true purpose of our suppression?
I could tell you in person after verifying you are not wired for sound and not carrying any electronic gimmicks
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Lots of people argue vehemently that there's no such thing as a virus, any virus. But I think we all know if we are among sick people there's a big chance we all get sick. What is that then, some type of social collective contagion entirely in our minds?
I think there definitely is the Cov virus. Not just rebranded flu. If there wasn't we should just start to wonder if our reality is real in any sense. All these scientists in different and adversarial countries believe in the same thing. Only one person who didn't believe: Lukashenko, who said whatever it is it can be cured with vodka and by driving a tractor (really). Must be a retard? ???
Only one person who didn't believe: Lukashenko, who said whatever it is it can be cured with vodka and by driving a tractor (really). Must be a retard? ???
Worked for Me - ;D :D ;D :D
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Do you really think anyone is running anything? The world is full of morons on every level in every government, corporation, lab, organization etc etc no one's plans ever workout.
Exactly.
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if trump is part of the DS then why the rigged election ?
It's all so confusing ;D
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if trump is part of the DS then why the rigged election ?
because he is a loose cannon that has the potential to go rogue
biden on the other hand is a good goy and will do as he is told no matter what
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unelected bureaucrats and senior public servants run governments at all levels, local, state, federal, the elected officials are only there for the appearance of democracy, elected officials get into office and influence what they can working with these people, but they are not running anything the real power and decisions are made in the shadows. Trump doest subscribe to this and that's why they are doing anything and everything in an attempt to stop him getting elected. The deep swamp is real stretches all the way from Washington to Brussels to Davos, they answer only to the Chardonnay socialist global elites. We are but plebs to them.
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Their Greed will be their downfall. The USA is hated by many nations & the US has a finger in every pie.
most americans i have met were OK but very assuming.
I do not dislike the USA but it´s influence in the world has been in recent years in my opinion very negative.
If things continue the U.S. will go broke.
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because he is a loose cannon that has the potential to go rogue
biden on the other hand is a good goy and will do as he is told no matter what
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trumps a accident/Rodney Dangerfield he pulled a "homer"
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unelected bureaucrats and senior public servants run governments at all levels, local, state, federal, the elected officials are only there for the appearance of democracy, elected officials get into office and influence what they can working with these people, but they are not running anything the real power and decisions are made in the shadows. Trump doest subscribe to this and that's why they are doing anything and everything in an attempt to stop him getting elected. The deep swamp is real stretches all the way from Washington to Brussels to Davos, they answer only to the Chardonnay socialist global elites. We are but plebs to them.
spot on
but do you really think that chump calls his own shots?
i doubt it man
big tech, big pharma and big food have WAY WAY too much power
and even if he does call his own shots he's still most likely only controlling bout 20% of what actually goes down bro
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……yes.
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Nobody becomes a billionaire without the help of the establishment. Remember,the left and the right, two wings of the same bird flying in the same direction just making different stops on the way distracting us from it's "final" destination. I predict something huge is going to happen in the next 5-10 years which will probably surpass the Convid event. And not in a good way unless a miracle happens.
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Yep
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Rome fell because they became over-extended, bankrupt, fighting wars far from home with soldiers who had never even been to Rome itself.
Thus weakened they became prey to invaders.
They still lasted hundreds of years more.
England, a great empire, lost their valuable colonies, first the American ones, later their crown jewel India.
Further bankrupted by the World Wars.
Pretty much the fate of all empires throughout history.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692434.0;attach=1507454;image)
competed with him in 1989 he won the Novice class at Walter Omalleys Autumn classic and again in 2022, he placed 2nd to me at the UK
Great competitor
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How old is Samson Dauda ?
There won’t be any reason to blame Milo from now on.
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steroids or "TRT"
former steroid users or bodybuilders can never go off. As their testes don't produce any test.
anyways I plan on doing trt soon because I notice lack of motivation/tiredness and lower libido. So it will not be for vanity, but quality of life.
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steroids or "TRT"
former steroid users or bodybuilders can never go off. As their testes don't produce any test.
anyways I plan on doing trt soon because I notice lack of motivation/tiredness and lower libido. So it will not be for vanity, but quality of life.
Maybe you are just tired, unmotivated, and uninterested in sex.
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How old is Samson Dauda ?
There won’t be any reason to blame Milo from now on.
looks around 42 but will tell you anything
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Maybe you are just tired, unmotivated, and uninterested in sex.
we will see I ordered a blood test now to check my test levels and other markers.
and I don't think you just get "uninterested in sex" for some mental reasons. It's a drive that all normal functioning males has it doesn't go away, if it does there is something wrong usually hormonal.
anyways if they are low I will go on test probably for life. I will do so that my test levels are that of a high test male, not supraphysiological like bodybuilders as I don't want to shorten my lifespan. plus I have heart condition on my fathers side that I may have inherited, that's part reason why I never wanted to do steroids as it would worsen it.
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we will see I ordered a blood test now to check my test levels and other markers.
and I don't think you just get "uninterested in sex" for some mental reasons. It's a drive that all normal functioning males has it doesn't go away, if it does there is something wrong usually hormonal.
anyways if they are low I will go on test probably for life. I will do so that my test levels are that of a high test male, not supraphysiological like bodybuilders as I don't want to shorten my lifespan. plus I have heart condition on my fathers side that I may have inherited, that's part reason why I never wanted to do steroids as it would worsen it.
Maxx, how old are you?
Yes, always get levels tested, and all supporting markers.
TRT can make quality of life much better for those who really need it.
Its not taboo like MSM might want you to believe. (They don't want men with good test levels, they want man-bun "Test-less" twinks).
But trannies can get TEST free on our taxpayer dime, and women always had the estrogen replacement thing.
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Maxx, how old are you?
Yes, always get levels tested, and all supporting markers.
TRT can make quality of life much better for those who really need it.
Its not taboo like MSM might want you to believe. (They don't want men with good test levels, they want man-bun "Test-less" twinks).
But trannies can get TEST free on our taxpayer dime, and women always had the estrogen replacement thing.
closing in on 40.. so understandably my test levels are to be expected to start dropping.
yeah I know It's just a pita where I live because it's illegal and if they seize you mail you will be marked as a convict in records for your name for something as petty as personal admined TRT. And getting TRT from doctors you have to be extremly low...
yes this society we live in is extremly biased towards women and the doubble standard is sickening... they can get estrogen treatment prescribed easily basically as soon as they hit menopause, but we men have to be deathly i'll to even be considered to get hormone replacement. well actually they at any age can just go and buy contaceptive pills which is estrogen basically.
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Not even 40 yet?
Highly unlikely your test levels are low and the cause of your issues.
Doesn't hurt to get it checked though. Test levels can vary widely throughout the day so multiple tests are required to accurately determine test.
If you go to a clinic specializing in HRT they will of course tell you that you need it. $$.
Only a very small % of men actually have low test at your age. Maybe 2%.
You can definitely become uninterested in sex for mental reasons. Stress, fatigue and lifestyle affects libido.
Objectively examine your lifestyle, stress, diet, etc.
People like to use drugs as an easy fix for life's problems. This forum is filled with people doing it.
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At age 40, my levels were 700 as a natty. A decade later I was at 253. (Aging, statins, etc).
Thats when I went on. At 57 I went off cold turkey as I was having prostate issues.
Went off for 4 months before my scheduled bloods and physical. PSA came in at .9, so all is good there.
Dr. Jelly-Finger said it's just slightly enlarged and it just happens with age, it wasn't the TRT.
(But I wanted to be sure and I wanted a clean PSA test w/ no outside interference).
Also got re-tested (test levels) after being off TRT for 4 months and my test-levels were 85. (So basically zero).
Doc said I could possible recover back to 250, but it could take years. Plus, fekk 250, I wasn't feeling good at that point.
Glad this new guy supports those who need TRT, some Docs dont want to touch it.
Going back on the Emeric method (10 mg a day) 70 mg a week. (Even though this guy Rx'd me 100 mg a week to start).
In our prime our bodies produce around 10 mg a day. (Method behind his (Emeric's) madness). (Old bodybuilder guy on ProMuscle).
Lots of folks testing in at around 700 just on 70 mg a week. (Taken in this fashion). No estrogen spikes, etc.
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steroids or "TRT"
former steroid users or bodybuilders can never go off. As their testes don't produce any test.
anyways I plan on doing trt soon because I notice lack of motivation/tiredness and lower libido. So it will not be for vanity, but quality of life.
This is not entirely true. They just don't produce as much as they might like or are unwilling to wait time and recover
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we will see I ordered a blood test now to check my test levels and other markers.
and I don't think you just get "uninterested in sex" for some mental reasons. It's a drive that all normal functioning males has it doesn't go away, if it does there is something wrong usually hormonal.
anyways if they are low I will go on test probably for life. I will do so that my test levels are that of a high test male, not supraphysiological like bodybuilders as I don't want to shorten my lifespan. plus I have heart condition on my fathers side that I may have inherited, that's part reason why I never wanted to do steroids as it would worsen it.
When testing indigenouse tribes they found test levels over 1500. Our so called baseline is off
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closing in on 40.. so understandably my test levels are to be expected to start dropping.
yeah I know It's just a pita where I live because it's illegal and if they seize you mail you will be marked as a convict in records for your name for something as petty as personal admined TRT. And getting TRT from doctors you have to be extremly low...
yes this society we live in is extremly biased towards women and the doubble standard is sickening... they can get estrogen treatment prescribed easily basically as soon as they hit menopause, but we men have to be deathly i'll to even be considered to get hormone replacement. well actually they at any age can just go and buy contaceptive pills which is estrogen basically.
Do you reside in a prison?
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steroids or "TRT"
former steroid users or bodybuilders can never go off. As their testes don't produce any test.
anyways I plan on doing trt soon because I notice lack of motivation/tiredness and lower libido. So it will not be for vanity, but quality of life.
That’s what they tell themselves in order to keep taking stuff. I have been off for 3 years, juiced for several. What bodybuilders in today’s era have the willpower to have patience?
Guys of older eras just stopped and went on with life outside of bodybuilding but kept in shape by eating healthy and working out. Guys today are dependent on easier road and have dependency issues.
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That’s what they tell themselves in order to keep taking stuff. I have been off for 3 years, juiced for several. What bodybuilders in today’s era have the willpower to have patience?
Guys of older eras just stopped and went on with life outside of bodybuilding but kept in shape by eating healthy and working out. Guys today are dependent on easier road and have dependency issues.
Or possibly we have learned the anti-aging properties after 40 are actually more important than the muscle building properties prior
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Stress, shitty diet, too much gym and watching porn will kill your libido.
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Just having high test levels will NOT automatically make you interested in sex. Get your estrogen checked. get your prolactin checked. Low serotonin ( depression) can also affect your interest. Shitty diet stress over worked and of course a butt ugly woman who nags 24 /7 will kill your desires too. lol
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Just having high test levels will NOT automatically make you interested in sex. Get your estrogen checked. get your prolactin checked. Low serotonin ( depression) can also affect your interest. Shitty diet stress over worked and of course a butt ugly woman who nags 24 /7 will kill your desires too. lol
NOW YOU TELL ME!! LOL ;D
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Stress, shitty diet, too much gym and watching porn will kill your libido.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/84a6cea41a3f8453c168f518e647a406/tumblr_n6r7owHBpd1qzk2apo1_500.gif)
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Don't eat soy. It's in lots of processed foods (salad dressing, coffee creamers, check food labels).
Don't eat processed foods. They suck.
Don't eat sugar and food high in natural sugars.
Beer raises your estrogen levels so stop drinking it or only rarely.
Eat whole eggs everyday. Cholesterol is needed to make test. Eat at least 4-6 whole eggs everyday.
Don't eat seed oils. Use butter, olive oil, bacon and beef grease to cook with.
Eat meat. Eat fatty meats and fatty fish.
Take a moderate dose multivitamin.
Statins can drop your test like Gymrat said. F*ck statins and f*ck your doctor who wants you to take them.
Get enough sleep. Keep regular hours.
Piss standing up.
Wear boxer shorts. Don't wear tight underwear.
Exercise with weights 2-3 times a week. Do compound moves. Don't exercise too often or do too much volume as it will drop your test.
Exercise can help you manage stress at home and work.
Read the Random Whores thread on Getbig everyday.
Grow facial hair but don't over-groom like a metrosexual.
Read masculine stuff like how to fix things, hunting and fishing, cars. Man stuff.
Vote Conservative.
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Don't eat soy. It's in lots of processed foods (salad dressing, coffee creamers, check food labels).
Don't eat processed foods. They suck.
Don't eat sugar and food high in natural sugars.
Beer raises your estrogen levels so stop drinking it or only rarely.
Eat whole eggs everyday. Cholesterol is needed to make test. Eat at least 4-6 whole eggs everyday.
Don't eat seed oils. Use butter, olive oil, bacon and beef grease to cook with.
Eat meat. Eat fatty meats and fatty fish.
Take a moderate dose multivitamin.
Statins can drop your test like Gymrat said. F*ck statins and f*ck your doctor who wants you to take them.
Get enough sleep. Keep regular hours.
Piss standing up.
Wear boxer shorts. Don't wear tight underwear.
Exercise with weights 2-3 times a week. Do compound moves. Don't exercise too often or do too much volume as it will drop your test.
Exercise can help you manage stress at home and work.
Read the Random Whores thread on Getbig everyday.
Grow facial hair but don't over-groom like a metrosexual.
Read masculine stuff like how to fix things or hunting and fishing.
Vote Conservative.
If any of you piss sitting down then delete your account immediately
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If any of you piss sitting down then delete your account immediately
If you're afraid of splashing do it into a bottle or jar.
Why do you think urinals were invented?
(https://media.npr.org/assets/news/2009/12/19/bathroom-6700a3c52d94fd6d2fc2be3f3f792cc44b8fb3e6-s1100-c50.jpg)
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If you're afraid of splashing do it into a bottle or jar.
I have a feeling Brian pisses sitting down now hes married
All the shakes he has its like a fucking lawn sprinkler
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I have a feeling Brian pisses sitting down now hes married
All the shakes he has its like a fucking lawn sprinkler
He's definitely a "sitter".
He's gone from a real man who has hydraulic car lifts and race cars to a sitting pisser.
We tried to save him.
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That’s what they tell themselves in order to keep taking stuff. I have been off for 3 years, juiced for several. What bodybuilders in today’s era have the willpower to have patience?
Guys of older eras just stopped and went on with life outside of bodybuilding but kept in shape by eating healthy and working out. Guys today are dependent on easier road and have dependency issues.
well testosterone is not just for "being swole". Then there are better testosterone derived steroids for that.
it is for mental state, you need it to be you as a man, as it is literally what makes you manly and gives you the male characteristics in your mental state, not just the physical aspect. So for me I feel It would benefit my mental well being. I read that many times men are prescribed anti depressants, when in alot of cases it's just that they are low in test...
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If any of you piss sitting down then delete your account immediately
I'm so hetero I even shit standing up
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If any of you piss sitting down then delete your account immediately
Well thats all the Pedocrat voters posting on here gone 👊🏻
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I'm so hetero I even shit standing up
Awesome.
Your test must be through the roof.
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I'm so hetero I even shit standing up
Are they solid shits?
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Rather hold out (stay nattie) until you're 90, then blast full out going out huge in a blaze of glory.
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Rather hold out (stay nattie) until you're 90, then blast full out going out huge in a blaze of glory.
Good strategy. You'll be tearing up pussy in the nursing home. 8)
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He's definitely a "sitter".
He's gone from a real man who has hydraulic car lifts and race cars to a sitting pisser.
We tried to save him.
;D
Sitting Pisser Of Peace
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;D ;D ;D
:P
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closing in on 40.. so understandably my test levels are to be expected to start dropping.
yeah I know It's just a pita where I live because it's illegal and if they seize you mail you will be marked as a convict in records for your name for something as petty as personal admined TRT. And getting TRT from doctors you have to be extremly low...
yes this society we live in is extremly biased towards women and the doubble standard is sickening... they can get estrogen treatment prescribed easily basically as soon as they hit menopause, but we men have to be deathly i'll to even be considered to get hormone replacement. well actually they at any age can just go and buy contaceptive pills which is estrogen basically.
Getting Nebido these days from a doc is easy. If you want it you can get it no problem. They even give all the heroin and other opiate addicts Nebido, since opiates will cause lower levels.
Of course some try to fudge the initial T levels by doing testosterone lowering activities which really is a pain in the ass. It's much easier to just take some oral anabolics for 5 days. But this is not you so disregard.
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well testosterone is not just for "being swole". Then there are better testosterone derived steroids for that.
it is for mental state, you need it to be you as a man, as it is literally what makes you manly and gives you the male characteristics in your mental state, not just the physical aspect. So for me I feel It would benefit my mental well being. I read that many times men are prescribed anti depressants, when in alot of cases it's just that they are low in test...
Several anabolic steroids have been investigated as antidepressants. Like Proviron. It doesn't do much for your muscle but brightens your mood and tons of testimonials on how it really elevates sex drive, "like I'm 15 years old again." Which can be forgotten once you get to 40 or whatever. Many will say, "I don't want to increase my sex drive, it's supposed to go down with age," and that's fine but if I have an outlet (a partner) I'd like to have a high sex drive, makes you feel more alive, at least imo.
So, true HRT + Proviron (seen as a consequence free steroid) + Cialis = feeling young again, at least in some aspects 8)
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;D ;D ;D
:P
Just call me "Alpha", baby. 8)
(That urinal splashback you get in the public restroom is kind of gross.)
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Several anabolic steroids have been investigated as antidepressants. Like Proviron. It doesn't do much for your muscle but brightens your mood and tons of testimonials on how it really elevates sex drive, "like I'm 15 years old again." Which can be forgotten once you get to 40 or whatever. Many will say, "I don't want to increase my sex drive, it's supposed to go down with age," and that's fine but if I have an outlet (a partner) I'd like to have a high sex drive, makes you feel more alive, at least imo.
So, true HRT + Proviron (seen as a consequence free steroid) + Cialis = feeling young again, at least in some aspects 8)
When I was 27 I took proviron the whole year and for some reason I look at it like the favorite year of my life
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Good strategy. You'll be tearing up pussy in the nursing home. 8)
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When I was 27 I took proviron the whole year and for some reason I look at it like the favorite year of my life
Did you notice effects you would definitely attribute to the Proviron? Did you get the libido boost so many rave about?
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Did you notice effects you would definitely attribute to the Proviron? Did you get the libido boost so many rave about?
yes i was a walking boner 750 test + 300 mast + proviron
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yes i was a walking boner 750 test + 300 mast + proviron
Why did you come off proviron? Did you also come off the test & mast?
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Why did you come off proviron? Did you also come off the test & mast?
i ran out
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Several anabolic steroids have been investigated as antidepressants. Like Proviron. It doesn't do much for your muscle but brightens your mood and tons of testimonials on how it really elevates sex drive, "like I'm 15 years old again." Which can be forgotten once you get to 40 or whatever. Many will say, "I don't want to increase my sex drive, it's supposed to go down with age," and that's fine but if I have an outlet (a partner) I'd like to have a high sex drive, makes you feel more alive, at least imo.
So, true HRT + Proviron (seen as a consequence free steroid) + Cialis = feeling young again, at least in some aspects 8)
Nasser also recommended AAS to men with depression before they reach for psychotropic drugs
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Shit I`m almost 69 and hornier than a two peckered Billy goat!! :)
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Shit I`m almost 69 and hornier than a two peckered Billy goat!! :)
Actually, the topic title should be: "is the risk of steroids after age 80 still acceptable?" ;)
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Stress, shitty diet, too much gym and watching porn will kill your libido.
if you regularly watch porn and are pleasuring yourself, wouldn't that mean your libido is fine?
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Shit I`m almost 69 and hornier than a two peckered Billy goat!! :)
Yeah, I don't understand guys in their 40's and 50's who can't get it up.
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Yeah, I don't understand guys in their 40's and 50's who can't get it up.
Yet so many use the boner pills, young guys too. Most will say it's not like in your teens when you got a spontaneous boner or at the slightest stimuli. Most will talk about the numerous instances where they went flaccid. Wouldn't probably happen in your teens.
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if you regularly watch porn and are pleasuring yourself, wouldn't that mean your libido is fine?
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Makes sense to me.
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Is it possible to use Nolvadex to increase test levels as a form of TRT?
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Isn't TRT ideal for people over 40?
Unless you don't think of TRT as steroids
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Is it possible to use Nolvadex to increase test levels as a form of TRT?
Nolvadex reduces estrogen it doesnt increase test
To low estrogen fucks up your libido as well as not enough test
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Nolvadex reduces estrogen it doesnt increase test
To low estrogen fucks up your libido as well as not enough test
Both AIs and SERMs do increase test. The most common HRT SERM now is enclomiphene, they are writing scripts left and right for this, some TRT places in addition to injectable test for no logical reason. The blood work can look impressive but users often don't think it makes them feel as good as actual test. These will also not lower estrogen on bloodwork, in fact they are estrogens themselves which have antiestrogenic effects at the signaling level. In some other tissues they act like estrogens improving blood work sometimes.
Is it possible to use Nolvadex to increase test levels as a form of TRT?
But why would you? There is almost no good reason to go this route.
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Both AIs and SERMs do increase test. The most common HRT SERM now is enclomiphene, they are writing scripts left and right for this, some TRT places in addition to injectable test for no logical reason. The blood work can look impressive but users often don't think it makes them feel as good as actual test. These will also not lower estrogen on bloodwork, in fact they are estrogens themselves which have antiestrogenic effects at the signaling level. In some other tissues they act like estrogens improving blood work sometimes.
I live and learn, thanks pal.
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Both AIs and SERMs do increase test. The most common HRT SERM now is enclomiphene, they are writing scripts left and right for this, some TRT places in addition to injectable test for no logical reason. The blood work can look impressive but users often don't think it makes them feel as good as actual test. These will also not lower estrogen on bloodwork, in fact they are estrogens themselves which have antiestrogenic effects at the signaling level. In some other tissues they act like estrogens improving blood work sometimes.
But why would you? There is almost no good reason to go this route.
Considering it raises test, what are the downsides for long-term use?
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Shit I`m almost 69 and hornier than a two peckered Billy goat!! :)
Pace yourself Gramps!
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Pace yourself Gramps!
I`m trying but it ain`t easy! ;D
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Considering it raises test, what are the downsides for long-term use?
Blot clots, don't take if you got the rona jab.
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Considering it raises test, what are the downsides for long-term use?
I don't know if there are potentially serious long term sides. With clomiphene you risked vision problems, clomiphene was racemic mix of two different molecules, like a mirror image of the other. They say enclomiphene is the "good" one without negative effects. I don't know if this isomer fixes that.
But the old clomiphene was notorious for very negative mood effects like crying spells. Probably because these are actually estrogens. Estrogenic in some tissues, antiestrogenic in others, or a "weaker estrogen" that inhibits the binding of the more potent estrogen.
Users say it just doesn't make you feel as good as synthetic test, even if test doubles or whatever. Probably because of these brain effects.
Oh and SERMs usually lower IGF-1. Back in the day Chad said Ronnie's gains skyrocketed when he got off tamoxifen.
Proviron supposedly doesn't even lower your own testosterone. Perhaps a stack of Proviron + Enclomiphene would be interesting, for a "natural" lol, or for someone who wouldn't want to take his balls offline.
Or just pin test and be done with it.
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Van what about Arimidex do you think it inhibits growth too? I think I loose a bit of fullness even at just 1mg a week.
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Van what about Arimidex do you think it inhibits growth too? I think I loose a bit of fullness even at just 1mg a week.
its turning you into a women
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Van what about Arimidex do you think it inhibits growth too? I think I loose a bit of fullness even at just 1mg a week.
I'm not aware that it affects IGF quite as much as Nolvadex, but it should go down if you tank estrogen too much.
Aromasin is usually said to be the go to AI for more gently lowering estrogen. But I can't speak from experience since I never used them much. Lots of people nowadays think Victor Black is right that when running moderate test don't worry about estrogen, it anabolic in itself and good for the CV system. And if estrogen does become a problem try to use a secondary anabolic like Primo and see if it brings it down. Only then use AIs.
Regarding IGF-1, lots of people now track their IGF and curiously tren lowers blood IGF. Some speculate that tren increases actual IGF in muscle, as studies show, and the blood levels indicate it's all going to muscle. Speculation, regardless tren is like the best steroid.
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van if i may
masteron? yay nr nay for anti e qualities?
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I'm not aware that it affects IGF quite as much as Nolvadex, but it should go down if you tank estrogen too much.
Aromasin is usually said to be the go to AI for more gently lowering estrogen. But I can't speak from experience since I never used them much. Lots of people nowadays think Victor Black is right that when running moderate test don't worry about estrogen, it anabolic in itself and good for the CV system. And if estrogen does become a problem try to use a secondary anabolic like Primo and see if it brings it down. Only then use AIs.
Regarding IGF-1, lots of people now track their IGF and curiously tren lowers blood IGF. Some speculate that tren increases actual IGF in muscle, as studies show, and the blood levels indicate it's all going to muscle. Speculation, regardless tren is like the best steroid.
I find an AI helps getting hard and ripped. Tren is a sexy beast.
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van if i may
masteron? yay nr nay for anti e qualities?
I say yay, not good for the scalp though.
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currently. just started 1m test deca mast per week
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I say yay, not good for the scalp though.
My hair thins a bit on mast but grows back again after
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currently. just started 1m test deca mast per week
Sounds good, I like deca for training and fullness.
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its turning you into a women
Arimidex lowers estrogen you fuckwit.
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van if i may
masteron? yay nr nay for anti e qualities?
It's supposed to work like Primo in that regard. All these these trends are due to the colossal asshole named Victor Black.
Primo and Mast are in his "approved drugs" list ;D Asshole or not, these guys should ackowledge where it came from. 8)
So now the trend is like what that Roman Fritz is doing, 250mg Test and 200mg of Primo a day. Lower or increase doses to suit you. Or substitute with Mast. Then only add GH + insulin.
Do you guys feel Mast is a good anabolic? Some say only cosmetic others think it's great for growing too.
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It's supposed to work like Primo in that regard. All these these trends are due to the colossal asshole named Victor Black.
Primo and Mast are in his "approved drugs" list ;D Asshole or not, these guys should ackowledge where it came from. 8)
So now the trend is like what that Roman Fritz is doing, 250mg Test and 200mg of Primo a day. Lower or increase doses to suit you. Or substitute with Mast. Then only add GH + insulin.
Do you guys feel Mast is a good anabolic? Some say only cosmetic others think it's great for growing too.
It's OK as an anabolic, I don't rate it highly for growth. Good for flying the flag at full mast and getting hard in every respect.
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It's supposed to work like Primo in that regard. All these these trends are due to the colossal asshole named Victor Black.
Primo and Mast are in his "approved drugs" list ;D Asshole or not, these guys should ackowledge where it came from. 8)
So now the trend is like what that Roman Fritz is doing, 250mg Test and 200mg of Primo a day. Lower or increase doses to suit you. Or substitute with Mast. Then only add GH + insulin.
Do you guys feel Mast is a good anabolic? Some say only cosmetic others think it's great for growing too.
seems to be the secret to being a pro is the ability to tolerate or you simply dont get sides
If I took that I would be a fucking mess
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Do your research on health risks from using steroids.
Then decide for yourself if you want to use them and how you will use them.
Remember steroids are illegal in some places so also take that into account.
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seems to be the secret to being a pro is the ability to tolerate or you simply dont get sides
If I took that I would be a fucking mess
They control sides with meds so now they can use even more lol. Telmisartan (BP), Nebivolol (heart rate), a mild diuretic (BP), metformin, cholesterol meds are a staple these days. Sleeping pills if that is a problem. Antidepressants if mood is off. You can mitigate a lot of sides now :D 8)
For better and for worse. I don't place any moral judgement on drug use, it's just interesting to me. Can the increased ancillary drug use and frequent health screening mitigate a lot of health problems in PED users? I'm sure it can. Back in the day no one even cared about BP or monitored it, much less used drugs to control it. I used to say here that we needed more drugs and better drugs, instead of less drugs. I'm sure people thought I was an idiot but I think anyone could foresee it if they thought about it. And that's the way society has gone, e.g the weight loss shots. They just now released a new study where they seemed to reduce cardiac problem even if the patient didn't lose weight, so why not use it? Unless you got the gastro sides.
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It's supposed to work like Primo in that regard. All these these trends are due to the colossal asshole named Victor Black.
Primo and Mast are in his "approved drugs" list ;D Asshole or not, these guys should ackowledge where it came from. 8)
So now the trend is like what that Roman Fritz is doing, 250mg Test and 200mg of Primo a day. Lower or increase doses to suit you. Or substitute with Mast. Then only add GH + insulin.
Do you guys feel Mast is a good anabolic? Some say only cosmetic others think it's great for growing too.
test, primo, mast are the core compounds nowadays
doc todd lee says primo is a direct ai and mast is a serm
this fella coached a top 10 mr ho and he only used 600 test max 400 tren max and 400-500 mast and 25 var @ 44:35
GENETICS
and didlo heath only used 400 deca only for his first win
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Yep!
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is the risk of steroids after age 35 still acceptable? Decide for yourself, be a leader not a follower of anonymous posters on an internet forum.
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I say yay, not good for the scalp though.
I would be more worried about my prostate than my hair with constant use of masteron.
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I would be more worried about my prostate than my hair with constant use of masteron.
True from a health point.
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saw palmetto? worth getting or waste of time?
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saw palmetto? worth getting or waste of time?
Why not just put an R on your forehead in case anyone here doesn't know you are a retard yet
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Why not just put an R on your forehead in case anyone here doesn't know you are a retard yet
It is supposed to be good for prostate health.
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Why not just put an R on your forehead in case anyone here doesn't know you are a retard yet
Why don't we put an H on your sons forehead so helicopters can land on it?
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Brian if i want to learn how to regress i will ask you.
20 years of solid gear use and you look like a swimmer on anavar
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saw palmetto? worth getting or waste of time?
Saw palmetto is supposed to lower your test.
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thats what i HEARD ironnat
I was interested in peoples experiences with it
Hankins offered nothing
Probably because Spaulding checks his prostate on the daily.
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It doesn't matter if Saw Palmetto lowers test in a drug user obviously.
There is the finasteride which I haven't dared to take. One fella on another forum says do just .25mg mon/wed/fri, that way you can avoid most sides. Usual dose I think is 1mg daily. The discussion was about hair but said it can help prostate too over time. He also said ORAL minoxidil is much more effective than topical. I think I will try this for my beard. I wish I had started some treatment when I started thinning.
bhank may be willing to try the oral minox? It will most likely not restore the hair but would be interesting to see if there was some regrowth.
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Awesome.
Your test must be through the roof.
It is. Wanna make something of it..? Grrr >:(
Are they solid shits?
Like baseball bats...
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It is. Wanna make something of it..? Grrr >:(
Like baseball bats...
Pics?
:D
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It doesn't matter if Saw Palmetto lowers test in a drug user obviously.
There is the finasteride which I haven't dared to take. One fella on another forum says do just .25mg mon/wed/fri, that way you can avoid most sides. Usual dose I think is 1mg daily. The discussion was about hair but said it can help prostate too over time. He also said ORAL minoxidil is much more effective than topical. I think I will try this for my beard. I wish I had started some treatment when I started thinning.
bhank may be willing to try the oral minox? It will most likely not restore the hair but would be interesting to see if there was some regrowth.
I see there's now also minoxidil mixed with topical finasteride.
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I see there's now also minoxidil mixed with topical finasteride.
Yes there are a number of other compounds too. They are a bit of a gray area legally. I saw someone sell different mixtures here but they had to shut down.
RU58841
Azelaic acid
GHK-Cu
Ketoconazole
etc
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It doesn't matter if Saw Palmetto lowers test in a drug user obviously.
There is the finasteride which I haven't dared to take. One fella on another forum says do just .25mg mon/wed/fri, that way you can avoid most sides. Usual dose I think is 1mg daily. The discussion was about hair but said it can help prostate too over time. He also said ORAL minoxidil is much more effective than topical. I think I will try this for my beard. I wish I had started some treatment when I started thinning.
bhank may be willing to try the oral minox? It will most likely not restore the hair but would be interesting to see if there was some regrowth.
I'm kind of hesitant to taking it aswell. Thers' those who say it is a "trash hormone" in adult males. Like Hair Cafe on youtube. But idk if you google finasteride side effects there are so many reports of ED issues. That leads me to believe that DHT has some role in sexual function in adult males. But idk, conflicting reports.. alot of people have no sides from finaseride according to them.
Another thing to note, the medecine people take to reduce sebum production in the skin, isotretinoin/accutane, also has effect on the 5 alpha-reductase enzyme(enzyme that finasteride also reduces). That medecine also has alot of people reporting ED.
So the common denominator here is recuction in DHT and then reports of erectile dysfunction.
My thought/conclusion would then be what's the point of attraction more females with better hair and/or skin when you have less interest in sex and erections are weak :D
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DHT definitely is very important in terms of sexual function. What scared me are the reports that it can be permanent, persist after you stop. That would suck. For various reasons DHT doesn't build muscle which is why no steroid labs produce it, there is a DHT cream for gynecomastia though. I speculate that DHT might be fantastic for mood boosting, but it's not available really...
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DHT definitely is very important in terms of sexual function. What scared me are the reports that it can be permanent, persist after you stop. That would suck. For various reasons DHT doesn't build muscle which is why no steroid labs produce it, there is a DHT cream for gynecomastia though. I speculate that DHT might be fantastic for mood boosting, but it's not available really...
I'm thinking it's likely because these medecications may "kill off" the 5α-reductase enzyme permanently.
If I read that correct the steroidal effects on the 5α-reductase enzyme are permanent.
Inhibition of the enzyme can be classified into two categories: steroidal, which are irreversible, and nonsteroidal.
and like you mentioned, DHT does seem to have many desired effects in adult males when it comes to mood
Gynecomastia, erectile dysfunction, impaired cognitive function, fatigue, hypoglycemia, impaired liver function, constipation, and depression, are only a few of the possible side-effects of 5α-reductase inhibition. Long term side effects, that continued even after discontinuation of the drug have been reported.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase
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It is. Wanna make something of it..? Grrr >:(
Like baseball bats...
That must hurt.
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It doesn't matter if Saw Palmetto lowers test in a drug user obviously.
There is the finasteride which I haven't dared to take. One fella on another forum says do just .25mg mon/wed/fri, that way you can avoid most sides. Usual dose I think is 1mg daily. The discussion was about hair but said it can help prostate too over time. He also said ORAL minoxidil is much more effective than topical. I think I will try this for my beard. I wish I had started some treatment when I started thinning.
bhank may be willing to try the oral minox? It will most likely not restore the hair but would be interesting to see if there was some regrowth.
I have a plan for the hair it's just not top of the list but will get there this next year
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I have a plan for the hair bald head ,it's just not top of the list but will get there this next year
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I have a plan for the hair it's just not top of the list but will get there this next year
the plan is
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we will see I ordered a blood test now to check my test levels and other markers.
and I don't think you just get "uninterested in sex" for some mental reasons. It's a drive that all normal functioning males has it doesn't go away, if it does there is something wrong usually hormonal.
anyways if they are low I will go on test probably for life. I will do so that my test levels are that of a high test male, not supraphysiological like bodybuilders as I don't want to shorten my lifespan. plus I have heart condition on my fathers side that I may have inherited, that's part reason why I never wanted to do steroids as it would worsen it.
as a follow up I got my blood/hormone analysis back. Only took 4 which I figured where important.
As I suspected my hormones where pretty shit and expains my mood last couple of years etc. I have been on a calorie restrictive diet so that probably lowers it even more but yeah. I'd say I should probably get on trt for me mental wellbeing
SHGB: 59 nmol/L
Testosterone: 18 nmol/L
Estradiol: <88 pmol/L (not sure if they don't show my value here or not I guess it just indicates im under the cut off for men)
Progesterone: <1.60 nmol/L (same here not sure if this is my value or just indicating under their cut off range)
so my testosterone is mid/low but my SHGB very high which means I have low free test levels.