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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: Cavalier22 on May 03, 2006, 11:15:25 PM
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So what exactly is your view on God/afterlife, etc?
Is it basically that it is impossible for humans to know anything about the spiritual world because it is beyond our comprehension or means of finding things out?
Nihilism?
or plain atheism
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I'm an atheist.
I don't believe a God/gods exists. However I don't say that a God doesn't exist absolutely.
I don't believe anyone can know wether a God does or does not exist either. We're too limited in preception or technology.
I am also a Skeptic. I am skeptical of anything paranormal or supernatural. Ghosts,Bigfoot,UFO's,Yeti,Lochness monster...All fairy tales.
I'm also a critique of pseudo-science including intelligent design or scientology.
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I'm an atheist.
I don't believe a God/gods exists. However I don't say that a God doesn't exist absolutely.
I don't believe anyone can know wether a God does or does not exist either. We're too limited in preception or technology.
I am also a Skeptic. I am skeptical of anything paranormal or supernatural. Ghosts,Bigfoot,UFO's,Yeti,Lochness monster...All fairy tales.
I'm also a critique of pseudo-science including intelligent design or scientology.
Basically you're a liar and scared llittle boy
Post your picture Johnny...............sca red little boy
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Basically you're a liar and scared llittle boy
Post your picture Johnny...............sca red little boy
Are you saying that a person who do not buy into a religious doctrine or are sceptical to "god" (since we really have no way of telling if he exists) automatically qualitfy as a "scared little boy"? :-X
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Are you saying that a person who do not buy into a religious doctrine or are sceptical to "god" (since we really have no way of telling if he exists) automatically qualitfy as a "scared little boy"? Lips sealed
No, no, not at all. What i'm saying is: Johnny is a liar and a scared little boy. Read the last couple of pages on the "The real Johnny Apollo" threads.
As for his reply:
Who knows what he believes.... he lies alot.
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Ozmo is a pseudo intellectual who is angry I outwit him everytime he posts. He asks me to post pictures but if I do he'd just say they are photoshopped and fake. Not to mention the fact that posting a picture is completly irrelevant to any conversation.
BTW he won't post a pic and he's asking me to.
Can you say double standard?
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you sound like more of a nihilist than an atheist
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you sound like more of a nihilist than an atheist
There are different types of Nihilism.
Do I believe there is some "divine" purpose to everything? No.
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Just wondering Apollo: Do you believe in a soul? Or does a soul depart upon death?
Not that I care about your personal beliefs (why would I?), but I was just wondering if you had any particular philosophical arguments for or against such beliefs.
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Just wondering Apollo: Do you believe in a soul? Or does a soul depart upon death?
Not that I care about your personal beliefs (why would I?), but I was just wondering if you had any particular philosophical arguments for or against such beliefs.
Don't believe in souls. No evidence they exist.
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What about psychic phenomena, such as astrual projection. Many people have testified to having outer body experiences. Some leave their bodies and upon return give detailed statements to what they saw on leave. If strong psychic phenomena occur, then typical materialism is false.
Do you believe you are fully conscious?
Or how about a little Descartes? Cartesian Dualism
1. Descartes supposed his body to be nonexistent. (Rational: Dream Argument)
2. Descartes did not suppose himself to be nonexistant. (Rational: Cogito ergo Sum)
3. Therefore, 1 and 2. [1,2 Conjuction]
4. If 1 and 2, then Descartes was not identical to his body
5. If Descartes was not identical to his body, the Typical Materialism is false. (Rational: 4 rejects TM (A))
6. Therefore, TM is false [3,4,5 MMP]
Typical Materialism:
A. Each person is just a physical object
B. There are no minds/souls
C. Each functioning person has mental as well as physical properties
x is a mind/soul = df- x is a spatially unextended thinking substance.
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Sorry that was a lot of questions... feel free to pick and choose.
I'm hoping to see evidence that souls don't exist.
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What about psychic phenomena, such as astrual projection. Many people have testified to having outer body experiences. Some leave their bodies and upon return give detailed statements to what they saw on leave. If strong psychic phenomena occur, then typical materialism is false.
None of the above exists. "Many people testifying" doens't mean anything. Anecdotes aren't science.
There's no scientific evidence for astral projection,psychics..ect.
Ever hear of the James Randi million dollar challenge?
Do you believe you are fully conscious?
What does this mean? Fully conscious? Fully aware of everything? No. I can't sense everything. I'm only human. I can't sense for instance X-rays or Gamma rays with my 5 senes without technology.
Or how about a little Descartes? Cartesian Dualism
1. Descartes supposed his body to be nonexistent. (Rational: Dream Argument)
2. Descartes did not suppose himself to be nonexistant. (Rational: Cogito ergo Sum)
3. Therefore, 1 and 2. [1,2 Conjuction]
4. If 1 and 2, then Descartes was not identical to his body
5. If Descartes was not identical to his body, the Typical Materialism is false. (Rational: 4 rejects TM (A))
6. Therefore, TM is false [3,4,5 MMP]
"Supposing" doesn't mean anything. I can suppose my body not to exist but that doens't mean it does not exist. Which nullifies all of the rest of the conclusions.
Do you really believe these absurd things or is this a test?
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Do you really believe these absurd things or is this a test?
Does it really matter if I believe these "absurd" things? It doesn't matter to me if you do. I'm just trying to get a better conception of other's methods of thought. No test here my didactic philosopher.
P.S. Look further into Descarte's argument. The rationales run a lot deeper than "supposing." Not saying that the argument is sound, though. Descarte is just a little more advanced than "supposing," especially when it involves Epistimic Purity.
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The James Randi Challenge was interesting (and very debatable) Thanks.
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Does it really matter if I believe these "absurd" things? It doesn't matter to me if you do. I'm just trying to get a better conception of other's methods of thought. No test here my didactic philosopher.
P.S. Look further into Descarte's argument. The rationales run a lot deeper than "supposing." Not saying that the argument is sound, though. Descarte is just a little more advanced than "supposing," especially when it involves Epistimic Purity.
You're the one who put "suppose".
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The James Randi Challenge was interesting (and very debatable) Thanks.
Debatable?
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Yes, you are correct, my bad. What should I have put? Believed, felt, theorized, deduced, inferred, considered? No matter what I put you will get into semantics. Semantics will be debated forever... Look at Descartes. He was far greater than my intelligence and your intelligence (no offence) combined. I can't put all his thouhts down on a bodybuilding internet board, sorry. Look at Meditations on First Philosophy
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Debatable?
www.alternativescience.c om/james-randi.htm
Some of Randi's "assumptions" are not as scientific as one would hope. I know how you don't like assuming.
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www.alternativescience.com/james-randi.htm
Some of Randi's "assumptions" are not as scientific as one would hope. I know how you don't like assuming.
That's a kook website that even denies evolution. Something I don't have time or patience to deal with.
Post your objections to james randi's challenge in your own words and i'll address them that way.
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Ozmo is a pseudo intellectual who is angry I outwit him everytime he posts. He asks me to post pictures but if I do he'd just say they are photoshopped and fake. Not to mention the fact that posting a picture is completly irrelevant to any conversation.
Outwitted? You haven't outwitted anyone. All you've done is expose yourself. And you're still scared to post a real picture of your self. Instead you just lie, lie, lie.
He asks me to post pictures but if I do he'd just say they are photoshopped and fake
You haven't posted a real one yet, so how do you know what i would say?
Again, Johnny you are a scared lonely 15 year old boy who lies about who he really is. Who needs a non-scientific forum to feel superior.
You are nothing but pathetic.
And you still haven't answered my gene question with scientific evidence.
Go on boy get working.
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Outwitted? You haven't outwitted anyone. All you've done is expose yourself. And you're still scared to post a real picture of your self. Instead you just lie, lie, lie.
You haven't posted a real one yet, so how do you know what i would say?
Again, Johnny you are a scared lonely 15 year old boy who lies about who he really is. Who needs a non-scientific forum to feel superior.
You are nothing but pathetic.
And you still haven't answered my gene question with scientific evidence.
Go on boy get working.
1.I've posted plenty of "real pictures".
2.How many have YOU posted?
3.My posting or not posting pictures is irrelevant.
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johnny, from your description I would say you are more of a agnostic atheist like I, almost having a deist type of dogma.
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johnny, from your description I would say you are more of a agnostic atheist like I, almost having a deist type of dogma.
I'm an agnostic and an atheist..But Deist? No.
Deism is the belief in a God. Just a God. I do not believe in any Gods,Which is how i'm an atheist.
Atheism can't go with Deism or Theism.
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1.I've posted plenty of "real pictures".
2.How many have YOU posted?
3.My posting or not posting pictures is irrelevant.
You know i meant real pictures of yourself.
Stop trying to deflect or skirt the issue. Like your gym thing, or morals in our genes.
You are the one who said you would post your pic as soon as OldSchool did. And you cheesed out like a little boy. And now you're are trying to flip it by telling me to post a pic.
POST YOUR PIC! or are you scared everyone's gonna find out you are really a 15 year lonely boy who lies about what he does to make himself feel better inside.
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You know i meant real pictures of yourself.
Stop trying to deflect or skirt the issue. Like your gym thing, or morals in our genes.
You are the one who said you would post your pic as soon as OldSchool did. And you cheesed out like a little boy. And now you're are trying to flip it by telling me to post a pic.
POST YOUR PIC! or are you scared everyone's gonna find out you are really a 15 year lonely boy who lies about what he does to make himself feel better inside.
1.I've posted plenty of "real pictures" of myself.
2.How many have YOU posted?
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What would posting a pic accomplish? in this particular thread, about this specific argument anyway.
Doesn't seem like anyone is arguing that their bicep measurement is 28 inches or anything.
Or is this a spill over issue from another topic.
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What would posting a pic accomplish? in this particular thread, about this specific argument anyway.
Doesn't seem like anyone is arguing that their bicep measurement is 28 inches or anything.
Or is this a spill over issue from another topic.
I've never even made any "non-jokingly" serious claims about my physique. OZMO is simply an obsessed stalker who comes after me in every thread and demands I post a picture of myself. (He must be out of whackoff material)
He's under the impression that if i'm skinny or something like that he can have something on me since he obviously can't match me mentally.
However he himself has never posted a picture.
Hypocrisy.
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I've never even made any "non-jokingly" serious claims about my physique. OZMO is simply an obsessed stalker who comes after me in every thread and demands I post a picture of myself. (He must be out of whackoff material)
He's under the impression that if i'm skinny or something like that he can have something on me since he obviously can't match me mentally.
However he himself has never posted a picture.
Hypocrisy.
The point is you promised to post a pic after someone else did. And you didn't.
Stop trying ot change the focus of the accusation
Shows you are grasping.
Yet Again.
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The point is you promised to post a pic after someone else did. And you didn't.
Stop trying ot change the focus of the accusation
Shows you are grasping.
Yet Again.
And I lied. Too bad. Get over it. Get a damn life.
Any male that is obsessed with getting another males picture is just gay. Simple as that. You're gay!
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Any male that is obsessed with getting another males picture is just gay. Simple as that. You're gay!
Getting tougher to lie about your picture huh Johnny? Now you've resorted to to calling me gay? (grasping)
I'm just holding you to your word... for what ever your word is worth...
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Getting tougher to lie about your picture huh Johnny? Now you've resorted to to calling me gay? (grasping)
I'm just holding you to your word... for what ever your word is worth...
I'll tell you want.
I PROMISE that if you post your picture,I'll post mine.
Deal?
Post a picture of yourself flexing and i'll do the same.
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I'll tell you want.
I PROMISE that if you post your picture,I'll post mine.
Deal?
Post a picture of yourself flexing and i'll do the same.
Why? You going to post another picture of Jay Cutler? ::)
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Why? You going to post another picture of Jay Cutler? ::)
I only post pictures of pro's in response to other members who post pictures of pro's.
If OZMO posts a picture of himself flexing i'll do the same.
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I only post pictures of pro's in response to other members who post pictures of pro's.
If OZMO posts a picture of himself flexing i'll do the same.
Who posted a picture of a professional body builder (other than you) and claimed it was them?
You also posted a picture of The Proclaimers and said it a real picture of you and your twin brother. I don't recall anyone claiming to be a professional musician.
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If OZMO posts a picture of himself flexing i'll do the same.
I think you already have lied 2 times about doing just that.
You have no credibility in that regard.
POST YOUR PICTURE.
(and stop trying to twist the issue around so much, You're only makiing yourself look worse)
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I think you already have lied 2 times about doing just that.
You have no credibility in that regard.
POST YOUR PICTURE.
(and stop trying to twist the issue around so much, You're only makiing yourself look worse)
When you post yours i'll post mine.
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Who posted a picture of a professional body builder (other than you) and claimed it was them?
You also posted a picture of The Proclaimers and said it a real picture of you and your twin brother. I don't recall anyone claiming to be a professional musician.
"Colossus" claimed some pro was actually him.
The Proclaimers was a FUCKING JOKE. You obviously don't know what that even is. Don't they have JOKES over in Asia? Where you come from!
I posted a picture of someone who looked like the picture you were claiming was me. I even added a clue as to who it was right after I posted it and waiting for someone to figure it out. That's how YOU figured it out. You copy pasted my quote into google and found it was from their song.
Holy shit you're stupid...
How do you make it day to day?
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When you post yours i'll post mine.
No you won't.
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No you won't.
I swear to God I will!
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"Colossus" claimed some pro was actually him.
The Proclaimers was a FUCKING JOKE. You obviously don't know what that even is. Don't they have JOKES over in Asia? Where you come from!
I posted a picture of someone who looked like the picture you were claiming was me. I even added a clue as to who it was right after I posted it and waiting for someone to figure it out. That's how YOU figured it out. You copy pasted my quote into google and found it was from their song.
Holy shit you're stupid...
How do you make it day to day?
Is that what you call lying now? Joking?
That's a child's logic.
I also find it quite amusing that when you, the pseudo-intellectual, get painted into a corner by your own lies and BS you resort to name calling. The very same thing you critisize others for doing.
Dance puppet boy! Dance!!!
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I swear to God I will!
;D You actually said something funny! There's hope for you! (God willing lol)
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Is that what you call lying now? Joking?
That's a child's logic.
I also find it quite amusing that when you, the pseudo-intellectual, get painted into a corner by your own lies and BS you resort to name calling. The very same thing you critisize others for doing.
Dance puppet boy! Dance!!!
I'll walk 500 miles...
A clue..One of their songs.
If I was "lying" why would I put a clue as to who the picture was in plain sight for everyone including yourself to see and google?
::)
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I also find it quite amusing that when you, the pseudo-intellectual, get painted into a corner by your own lies and BS you resort to name calling. The very same thing you critisize others for doing.
This one is actually funnier though.
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A clue..One of their songs.
If I was "lying" why would I put a clue as to who the picture was in plain sight for everyone including yourself to see and google?
::)
Your 500 miles "clue" did happen until you were called out on the wedding rings and you gave some lame reason for it. You needed a way out since you were already busted.
Like I said, child's logic. It all makes sense now. To you lying is joking.
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Your 500 miles "clue" did happen until you were called out on the wedding rings and you gave some lame reason for it. You needed a way out since you were already busted.
Like I said, child's logic. It all makes sense now. To you lying is joking.
"Lame reason"? Don't you mean JOKE?
I said they weren't wedding wings but "twin bondings rings". An obvious JOKE.
Welcome to America Jackass,We have something over here called "jokes".
No Jokes in China or japan or wherever the fuck you're from eh?
Too bad for you...
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"Lame reason"? Don't you mean JOKE?
I said they weren't wedding wings but "twin bondings rings". An obvious JOKE.
Welcome to America Jackass,We have something over here called "jokes".
No Jokes in China or japan or wherever the f**k you're from eh?
Too bad for you...
Take your lumps, Nazi-Bot.
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"Colossus" claimed some pro was actually him.
The Proclaimers was a FUCKING JOKE. You obviously don't know what that even is. Don't they have JOKES over in Asia? Where you come from!
I posted a picture of someone who looked like the picture you were claiming was me. I even added a clue as to who it was right after I posted it and waiting for someone to figure it out. That's how YOU figured it out. You copy pasted my quote into google and found it was from their song.
Holy shit you're stupid...
How do you make it day to day?
You're still holding on to the claim that my pic is some pro bodybuilder?
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You're still holding on to the claim that my pic is some pro bodybuilder?
Until you prove otherwise. I challenged you to post a picture of yourself holding a sign with your name but you refuse.
Busted!
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Not at all, bro. Not at all.
Nice try though.
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Not at all, bro. Not at all.
Nice try though.
You're busted. The guy in the picture is far from 311lbs and anyone with any sense would know that. If he's 6'1" he's possibly about 270lbs tops.
You're a 15 year old posting fake pictures.
You've been busted.
Admit it.
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Until you prove otherwise. I challenged you to post a picture of yourself holding a sign with your name but you refuse.
Busted!
I'm flattered that you think my pic is actually of a pro bodybuilder though. I appreciate the compliment, even if it's not intended.
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I'm flattered that you think my pic is actually of a pro bodybuilder though. I appreciate the compliment, even if it's not intended.
Still waiting for the pic with a sign...
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You're busted. The guy in the picture is far from 311lbs and anyone with any sense would know that. If he's 6'1" he's possibly about 270lbs tops.
You're a 15 year old posting fake pictures.
You've been busted.
Admit it.
Actually, I'm around 311 now. The pic, if you take the time to go back and read when I first posted it, is of me when I competed (1992) and I weighed between 210-215lbs. Were I to estimate my weight in that kind of condition nowadays, I'd have to guess around 245-250. Again... nice try, Johnny.
Happy Birthday by the way. ;)
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Still waiting for the pic with a sign...
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Still waiting for the pic with a sign...
Actually, I'm hoping to do a short workout vid so you can refute that. ;)
How old are you today, if I may ask?
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You're a 15 year old posting fake pictures.
Stop talking about yourself and get your own material.