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Title: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 09:07:20 AM
1.) Why is Jesus always depicted as a white European when his race is not from that region?

2.) Why during the supposed time of Jesus no Jewish historian mentioned him? 

3.) Why aren't there any Roman court records of his crucifixtion?

4.) Why is the only account of Jesus the New Testament, which the first books appeared at least 60 years after his death, written by people generations later who never knew him?
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 09:56:16 AM
i wanna play i wanna play


why does my poop smell like beef shawarme if i eat beef sharwame?

why dosen't the little cap jewish people wear ontop ever fall off?

why dont i see really old tall people around?


btw..jesus ws a cameljockey no?


Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 05, 2006, 10:01:18 AM
i wanna play i wanna play


1. why does my poop smell like beef shawarme if i eat beef sharwame?

2. why dosen't the little cap jewish people wear ontop ever fall off?

3. why dont i see really old tall people around?


btw..jesus ws a cameljockey no?


1. What goes in, comes out...

2. Bobby pins...

3. You've obviously never been to Switzerland...

This is fun. I'm good at this   :)
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 10:01:32 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_testament

The best tool on the internet.

By the way AD is the birth of christ. So by looking at the dates of most of the new testiment these books were written shortly,within 25 to 50 years after his death. That is the same or one generation different.

In the early church works he doesn't look white. It is also called creative listence, since no one know what he exactly looks like.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 10:05:05 AM
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In the early church works he doesn't look white. It is also called creative listence, since no one know what he exactly looks like.

what part of the world ws he from again?


i've never been to china..but have a pretty good idea of what a china man would look like ...
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 10:16:43 AM
He's Jewish.
Now tell me what most jews look like.
The jews I have seen are fairly light skinned.

The image of Jesus has changed over 2000 years. But it doen't matter because christianity has nothing to do with the physical image of Jesus and all to do with his message.

By the way what does Muhammad look like.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 10:16:51 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_testament
By the way AD is the birth of christ. So by looking at the dates of most of the new testiment these books were written shortly,within 25 to 50 years after his death. That is the same or one generation different.

OK, wasn't really sure about that anyway. Why isn't Christmas january 1st then?

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In the early church works he doesn't look white. It is also called creative listence, since no one know what he exactly looks like.

You mean creative license?  -no idea what you are talking about here.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 10:19:45 AM
The image of Jesus has changed over 2000 years. But it doen't matter because christianity has nothing to do with the physical image of Jesus and all to do with his message.

Why can't you make the same argument that the message has changed over 2000 years?
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 10:22:03 AM
I forgot to use spell check.
But as I said before the image of Christ that people see is a representation of Jesus and this representation has nothing to do with the Christianity. The person that draws these images has creative licence since there are no exact records like a photograph to use.
In the past royal figures , Caesars, etc. Very rarely looked much like their portrait.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 10:27:38 AM
1. What goes in, comes out...

2. Bobby pins...

3. You've obviously never been to Switzerland...

This is fun. I'm good at this   :)

1)well my pop did not smell like roses when i ate rose petals once....ah HA!

2) no wayyyy..i seriously didn't know that and i always wanted to ask this jewish kid that takes classes at the school i teach at...but i didn't wanna offend him...



ok one more

 where is the other shoe in the middle of the road?
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 10:29:04 AM
The message has changed in some aspects over 2000 years.
The Roman Catholic church does not over see all of Christiano any more.
However, there are some core beliefs that have not changed. The birth, death and resurrection. The other is thatThe acceptance of Jesus into your life is the only prerequisite to going to heaven.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 10:47:20 AM


By the way what does Muhammad look like.

prolly like your typical camel jockey..like myself ;D /



http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69904.0


there..thats what mohammed looks like!
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 11:01:50 AM
I wouldn't have guessed. HAHA.

There are no pictures of him, because I hear you get killed for drawing him.
But I guess that stops the why does Muhammad look white debate. :D
Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 05, 2006, 11:10:44 AM
1)well my pop did not smell like roses when i ate rose petals once....ah HA!

2) no wayyyy..i seriously didn't know that and i always wanted to ask this jewish kid that takes classes at the school i teach at...but i didn't wanna offend him...



ok one more

 where is the other shoe in the middle of the road?

1. Toxy, while it's very charming, I don't think I really know you well enough to have compenious discussions with you about your pooping habits  :-*

2. Yes, it's true.  I've also seen hair clips and berrettes, but that look is very tacky, and usually only seen on very geeky people.

3.  Someone told me once that when you see only one shoe in the middle of the road, it probably belonged to a professional assassin. Apparently after they've wacked somebody, they get rid of anything that might tie them to the crime, soooo...throw their shoes out the window, one at a time, miles from the other on some highway somewhere...
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 11:48:16 AM
The other is thatThe acceptance of Jesus into your life is the only prerequisite to going to heaven.

I've always disliked this statement.  What about little African pygmies living in the jungle at the time of Christ?  There is no way they could possibly accept Jesus without ever hearing his name.  And to send people to eternal fire simply because they were born in the wrong place and time doesn't sound "omnibenevolent."  Care to explain?
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 11:56:16 AM
I've always disliked this statement.  What about little African pygmies living in the jungle at the time of Christ?  There is no way they could possibly accept Jesus without ever hearing his name.  And to send people to eternal fire simply because they were born in the wrong place and time doesn't sound "omnibenevolent."  Care to explain?

It's an irrational legend perpetuated by people who are in some need of psychological comfort in their lives.
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 12:01:58 PM
It's an irrational legend perpetuated by people who are in some need of psychological comfort in their lives.

That is interesting, but what does that have to do with my question?
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 12:22:16 PM
I wouldn't have guessed. HAHA.

 I hear you get killed for drawing him.


crap and i just i looked like him.. 

note to self :break out the kun-foo if anyone with a beard approaches within 10 feet. >:(
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 12:26:47 PM
1. Toxy, while it's very charming, I don't think I really know you well enough to have compenious discussions with you about your pooping habits  :-*



i'm most charming when i poop!  :D  btw did ya know grape koolaid will turn it green...i tried..twas like festive poop!

i sat on the potty with a banjo on my knee...!



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3.  Someone told me once that when you see only one shoe in the middle of the road, it probably belonged to a professional assassin. Apparently after they've wacked somebody, they get rid of anything that might tie them to the crime, soooo...throw their shoes out the window, one at a time, miles from the other on some highway somewhere...

soooomeone  eh?



Note to self : dont trust deedee
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 12:28:06 PM
I've always disliked this statement.  What about little African pygmies living in the jungle at the time of Christ?  There is no way they could possibly accept Jesus without ever hearing his name. 

thats one of my problems with the christian faith..

in jewish religion and islam they get to go to heaven if they lived a good life..(i could be wrong on that...i usually make this stuff up as i go along  ;D  )
Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 05, 2006, 12:45:21 PM
i'm most charming when i poop!  :D  btw did ya know grape koolaid will turn it green...i tried..twas like festive poop!

i sat on the potty with a banjo on my knee...!

I didn't know this fascinating fact about grape koolaid...I am however well aware of how much men looovvvveee their pooping activities, as well as unbelievable amount of time spent in the pooping chamber >:( ... I think it's because you guys can't create life the way we can...

 
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soooomeone  eh?
Note to self : dont trust deedee

 ;) I would never betray a confidence...but you have to admit, I just whipped out that answer...I'm ON FIRE today!
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 12:51:33 PM
I didn't know this fascinating fact about grape koolaid...I am however well aware of how much men looovvvveee their pooping activities, as well as unbelievable amount of time spent in the pooping chamber >:( ... I think it's because you guys can't create life the way we can...

 
 ;) I would never betray a confidence...but you have to admit, I just whipped out that answer...I'm ON FIRE today!


http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Dye/dye.html    ;D

actually unless i'm in the middle of a great book i'm an in and out kinda guy. courtsey flush and make it quick.

btw folks i have a potentially cute girl engaged in convo with me about poop..
just imagine what i can do at a bar and non poop related stuff  ;D
Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 05, 2006, 01:04:52 PM
http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Dye/dye.html    ;D

actually unless i'm in the middle of a great book i'm an in and out kinda guy. courtsey flush and make it quick.

I feel so close to you right now... :D 

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btw folks i have a potentially cute girl engaged in convo with me about poop..
just imagine what i can do at a bar and non poop related stuff  ;D

Glad I could help you practice...it's important to stay on top of your game!  ;)
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
I feel so close to you right now... :D 




damn i shoulda gone for "i dont poop at all"...  :D


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Glad I could help you practice...it's important to stay on top of your game!  ;)

yes yes it is...

c'mere and lets practice somemore.. :)

k i let class go early and had be 2 becks...Toxic's turned into a lightweight  >:(
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 01:13:37 PM
All paths lead to the one God. The God of Abraham. Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

God judges all on judgement day.Only God knows who will be going to heaven.
That is why he is omnibenevolent.
Personally I believe in following Jesus's example and believing in him as he is God. With faith in Jesus I have a path to heaven. If you choose not to, or have never heard of Jesus, then you take your chance at Judgement day.
Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 05, 2006, 01:23:39 PM
yes yes it is...

c'mere and lets practice somemore.. :)

k i let class go early and had be 2 becks...Toxic's turned into a lightweight  >:(

I am so out of here in about 6 minutes...

Don't get too trashed tonight, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!  :)
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 01:30:34 PM
The other is that The acceptance of Jesus into your life is the only prerequisite to going to heaven.

According to your "prerequisite" and Christianity's it certainly matters. 

And knowing God's final deciscion doesn't deal with "omnibenevolence"  Actually it is the exact opposite because an "all good" being could not condemn somone to eternal suffering.  I think you meant to say omniscient (all-knowing)

P.S.  I respect your faith.  And your tolerance towards others.  God bless
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 01:32:04 PM
I am so out of here in about 6 minutes...

Don't get too trashed tonight, and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!  :)

i like soo have to wakre up at 4 am tomorrow to prep my sat lecture  ...i'm gonna have some scotch and go to bed soon...


6 mins..666...assasin...sh ould i worry?
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 02:20:26 PM
I might have been over stating the importance of Christianity in going to heaven. I don't know I don't know God's will.
I do believe that Jesus was sent down to show us the path to heaven. There might be others I don't know.
I will leave who will go to heaven up to God for he alone has judgement there.

God is Omnibenevolen. Omnipotent and Omniscience
God protects his flock. If you choose not be good, God will condemn you to protect his flock. God still loves you, but you are responsible for your own actions.
I think that to know God is impossible. To believe in God is not.

I believe that God is love. To ignore his love in what ever form or religion is part of human weakness.
Just as blaming God for what goes wrong in the world.

There are many denominations and religions that work with other faiths in the support of common goals and beliefs. Through understanding of all religions and faiths and the understanding io diversity I think it makes easier to believe in the love of God.

Peace be with you.

Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 02:25:41 PM

God is Omnibenevolent. Omnipotent and Omniscience

Just as blaming God for what goes wrong in the world.


Peace be with you.



If God is omnipotent then could he not create a world that is free from "wrong."  If he can't then he is not omnipotent, and if he can then he is not "omnibenevolent," for an all-good being would eliminate all wrong by simple moral principle.

I'm not trying to disrespect your beliefs joker10.  I hope that my questions make you think about your very faith, and in turn strengthen every aspect of it. 

And also with you.
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 02:38:48 PM
God is omnipotent because he made a perfect universe.  God so loved Adam and Eve that he gave them free will.
The world was perfect however they allowed themselves to be tempted. Original Sin.
The Omnibenevolence is in the fact that instead off killing them after they were tempted he made them aware of themselves.
Title: Re: why
Post by: OzmO on May 05, 2006, 02:44:02 PM
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1.) Why is Jesus always depicted as a white European when his race is not from that region?

2.) Why during the supposed time of Jesus no Jewish historian mentioned him?

3.) Why aren't there any Roman court records of his crucifixtion?

4.) Why is the only account of Jesus the New Testament, which the first books appeared at least 60 years after his death, written by people generations later who never knew him?

1.  Beucase the Roman Catholic church did that for political and racial reasons

2.  You have to remember, there was no internet, AP wire, newspapers, TV.  It would be real easy for news of any incident to be forgotten of not noticed at all.

3.  Just becuase they haven't found any records don;t mean they don;t exsist.  However,  one possible explanation from Barbara Thering's book "Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls"    Is that the Jesus was actually a decendant of the linie of David and the whole thing is really about a political stuggle to put the Line of David back on the Jewish throne removing Herod.  Jesus is refered to in the scrolls as "the sayer of smooth things" who was person who taught forgiveness, tolerence  and love.

4.  They were stories past down.  I don't think anyone thought to write them down right away becuase perhaps the deciples were still alive preaching his word.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 02:58:23 PM

I do believe that Jesus was sent down to show us the path to heaven.


but christians believe jesus is god..so god sent himself down?

hmmmm

sounds wishy washy lord of the ringish to me bro..
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 03:00:01 PM
God is omnipotent because he made a perfect universe.  God so loved Adam and Eve that he gave them free will.
The world was perfect however they allowed themselves to be tempted. Original Sin.
The Omnibenevolence is in the fact that instead off killing them after they were tempted he made them aware of themselves.

enter the tsunami
enter aids
enter starvrvation

oh wait..you've lived in the US all your life so have never seen a 10 yr old  girl with sores on her face beg for a piece of bread in 110 degree sun..or suck cock behing a bush..

I HAVE ..SO f**k GOD..OR BETTER MAKE HIM WALK A MILE IN THAT GIRLS SHOES

you've never seen a father amputate his eldest son and middle daughters limbs so they can beg more effenciently(people give more to amputees) just so the youngest son can  go to school

  I HAVE ...SO f**k GOD..OR BETTER MAKE HIM WALK A MILE IN THAT FATHERS SHOES


Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 03:17:47 PM
God gave us the power to solve these problems.
Medicine, prosperity etc.
The problem isn't with God it is with human greed.
I see homeless people everyday. I live in a cold place. If you live on the streets in the winter you die. So in order to prevent this our system of government provides some level of care to the poor.

It isn't God's fault that the rich take from the poor. In every major religion God frowns upon this.

People constantly blame God for the problems of man. But man can fix this. We can support the less fortunate, we can provide safety to those in need.

Next time you think of the UN remember Somailia, Sudan, Rwanda, Ethiopia,Chad, Congo, Mozambique.
It is the global conscience that is not helping these places. It is the world.
It is too easy to blame God, the U.S, or any one nation.
But it is a global problem not God's.
The liberals don't want to help because it might seam like imperialism or some other crazy notion.
The conservatives don't want to help because they should be able to help themselves.
I believe both sides are wrong.

I am Canadian by the way.
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 03:30:48 PM
God is omnipotent because he made a perfect universe.  God so loved Adam and Eve that he gave them free will.
The world was perfect however they allowed themselves to be tempted. Original Sin.
The Omnibenevolence is in the fact that instead off killing them after they were tempted he made them aware of themselves.

Althouh Toxic put it in a very interesting (and truthful) way, he is very much correct.

You see the problem of evil is so incredibly challenging for the classical conception of God.  Let us take the example of free will.  So God is omniscient (all-knowing), therefore he sees the future devestation that will take place on this world.  Bombs will be dropped, people will starve and people will be tortured in his holy name.  Say I was going to have sex with some girl.  And upon my intercourse I had a sudden preminition of omniscience.  I see the future and realize that my future son will grow to be a serial rapist/murder.  He may show me love and sometimes worship me, but in general this kid will do the world harm... horrible harm.  Would it be morally acceptible for me to create this child?

Now throw the fact that I am omnipotent in to this equation.  I can have sex and ensure that my son is purely good (after all, I can do everything).  I can also ensure he has "free will" as did Adam and Eve, but the only difference is I created my son purely good and therefore all that he may do is purely good and yet it is still very "free" in action.

Some may say, "God allows evil into the world to ensure we appreciate what is good."  The problem here is with God's omnipotence.  If God can do everything then he can make us so we appreciate what is good without the suffering of others.

Now a preacher may preach forever about how suffering is punishment for sin, but like Toxic has pointed out, he has never held a little kid stricken with smallpox in his arms, listening to the kid cry because he knows that his life is soon to come to a very painful and sad end.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 03:35:07 PM
God gave us the power to solve these problems.
Medicine, prosperity etc.



really so we can solve tidal waves (tsunamis) and volcanoes and horricanes.....   ::)


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The problem isn't with God it is with human greed.
I see homeless people everyday. I live in a cold place.


well its that asshole that created human greed right?

i mean GOD MADE THE DEVIL

so  HE MADE GREED ALSO.


btw.. a certain % of a muslims incom is mandatorily suppoed to go to the poor...this one i'm sure of...

too bad 99% muslims dont practice it..
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 03:45:03 PM
Free will is an important concept. It means that we are free to do what we want without God interfering. If God interfered there is no free will.
That is why the concept of Judgement is important. Without Judgement there can be no mercy. Without mercy there is no Omnibenevolence.

We have the means to survive natural distasters. Like building better buildings researching better medicine. But a natural disaster is part of this world. Our world is no longer perfect. We should figure out how to solve it and move on. This is the world we inherited and we must make it work.

I think that free will is the greatest of God's gifts.
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
Free will is an important concept. It means that we are free to do what we want without God interfering. If God interfered there is no free will.

Wow!  God created us.  I'm not sure if you know the complete philosophical concepts of free will vs. Determinsim, but an omnipotent and omniscient cause for an effect would certainly be considered "interfering."

And the whole concept of free will in the Bible is very debatable.  Can you find in the Bible where free will is spoken of?  I'm not going to get into such an enormous argument for or against free will, but you won't find it in the Bible.  The concept was postulated many years later by the Catholic church.
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 04:01:27 PM
P.S.  Take some time to truly understand omnibenevolence (all-good) omnipotence (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing)  By understanding these important concepts you can better comprehend your faith in God. 

Take these questions for example:  Can God make things which he cannot subsequently control? 

Can God make rules which bind himself?

Really think about how these questions provide a paradox to God's omnipotence.
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 04:14:58 PM
Free will as a concept is based on the fact that.
Adam and Eve were not under the mind control of the seperant when they were tempted.
They were tempted the took the forbidden fruit and the rest is history.

If free will didn't exist then why would God choose them to eat the fruit?

The concept of God's plan is determinism. But we have the freedom to do what we want I would call that free will.

I will and thank you.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 04:23:46 PM
Quit sabotaging my thread Toxic, u fucking junkie.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 04:42:01 PM
1.  Beucase the Roman Catholic church did that for political and racial reasons

2.  You have to remember, there was no internet, AP wire, newspapers, TV.  It would be real easy for news of any incident to be forgotten of not noticed at all.

3.  Just becuase they haven't found any records don;t mean they don;t exsist.  However,  one possible explanation from Barbara Thering's book "Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls"    Is that the Jesus was actually a decendant of the linie of David and the whole thing is really about a political stuggle to put the Line of David back on the Jewish throne removing Herod.  Jesus is refered to in the scrolls as "the sayer of smooth things" who was person who taught forgiveness, tolerence  and love.

4.  They were stories past down.  I don't think anyone thought to write them down right away becuase perhaps the deciples were still alive preaching his word.

1.) There are plenty of denominations outside the Catholic Church that depicts a European Jesus. I can't think of one that doesn't.

2.) You have got to be kidding me. Jesus's ministry composed of curing countless people of all types of illnesses, raised people from the dead, "driving demons out", etc. He turned water to wine, walked on water, fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread and some fish. He preached to thousands audibly on hillsides, angered old school thought to the point of getting stoned to death, etc.. HE CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF GOD and you're telling me this would be hardly noticed? This wouldn't be escalating news and gossip? It's laughable how there isn't a shred, not a single account written about this anywhere else that confirms the Bible.

3.) can't comment on 3, don't know where you're comming from here.

4.) Funny how "stories past down" are worded with such volume of detail as if it were yesterday. I am having a real hard time believing that such dialog can be passed with such accuracy, with multiple points of view and narration.  It reeks of a made up story.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 05, 2006, 04:48:32 PM
Free will is an important concept. It means that we are free to do what we want without God interfering. If God interfered there is no free will.


Then why do Christians pray to God? Isn't praying to God asking for God's interference?
Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 05:30:54 PM

If free will didn't exist then why would God choose them to eat the fruit?


Why would God create the fruit if he knew they would eat it?  He is omniscient and omnipotent after all.
Title: Re: why
Post by: a_joker10 on May 05, 2006, 06:21:16 PM

The easy answer is God  has a plan that I don't understand and cannot comprehend. That defeats free will and relies on Determinism.
An other answer is that God is not O3.

I think he lets us do what we want out of love, like a parent. Omnibenevolent means that God would do no evil.
Also without evil how can one comprehend good.

God is all 3 but what moderates each of 3 is the other.

Just like your arguement it is circular, but that is what I believe.

Title: Re: why
Post by: SuperNatural on May 05, 2006, 07:26:53 PM
That is cool Joker10.  God Bless you man
Title: Re: why
Post by: OzmO on May 05, 2006, 07:32:17 PM
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1.) There are plenty of denominations outside the Catholic Church that depicts a European Jesus. I can't think of one that doesn't.

2.) You have got to be kidding me. Jesus's ministry composed of curing countless people of all types of illnesses, raised people from the dead, "driving demons out", etc. He turned water to wine, walked on water, fed 5000 people with a loaf of bread and some fish. He preached to thousands audibly on hillsides, angered old school thought to the point of getting stoned to death, etc.. HE CLAIMED TO BE THE SON OF GOD and you're telling me this would be hardly noticed? This wouldn't be escalating news and gossip? It's laughable how there isn't a shred, not a single account written about this anywhere else that confirms the Bible.

3.) can't comment on 3, don't know where you're comming from here.

4.) Funny how "stories past down" are worded with such volume of detail as if it were yesterday. I am having a real hard time believing that such dialog can be passed with such accuracy, with multiple points of view and narration.  It reeks of a made up story.

I was just giving some possible explanations...

Here's what i think, sorry if it pisses anyone off.

1.  Beucase the Roman Catholic church did that for political and racial reasons.  Until the 1500's i believe, it was only the roman catholic church.  Not until Martin Luther seperated from the church did other denominations start popping up.  (Lutheren Church)  By then the white Jesus was accepted becuase all the paintings from the chruch made him white with blue eyes. 

2.  Beucase the story of Jesus as we know it was really a political struggle between the house of david and house of herod.   Read the new testiment with that pardigm and it will make some sense.  The house of David was trying to get back into power.  Becuase of this a historian wouldn't write about it in the religous sense.  If you view the new testiment as a historical record you have to accept the idea that it's one sided.

3.  I don't think he was crucified by romans.  I think it was a purely Jewish doing with Roman support for fear that if the house of David came into power it could start a revolution.  And the house of Herod wasn;t willing to give up their power.

4.  Jesus had a message.  In a time of savageness, suffering and Killing.  Jesus preached tolerence, fogiveness, and love as the path to heaven.  Whether he died ont he cross or not there was a story of a ressurection.  As you said, rumor and gossip, ran rapid through the people.  This message and the story of his ressurection  gained a following.  At some point someone decided to write the stories down and there it may have got exaggerated.  Remember most of these gospels were written 40 to 60 years later.  Also at that time the gnostic gospels were written.  Then 250 years after that, when christianity was a very large movment it was adopted by Constantinople at the concil of Nicia.  And the story was really perverted  to allow those in power to control the masses.

Now, with pure respect to other people's faith.  And the fact that i really don't truely know what really happened, I tend not to try and ram my theory down people's throats too much.
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 05, 2006, 11:00:04 PM
Quit sabotaging my thread Toxic, u fucking junkie.

you mean quit askingya tough questions..



ok .fine..i will..

religious people are easily ratteled.

cheers.
Title: Re: why
Post by: Johnny Apollo on May 06, 2006, 12:42:16 AM
He's Jewish.
Now tell me what most jews look like.
The jews I have seen are fairly light skinned.

The image of Jesus has changed over 2000 years. But it doen't matter because christianity has nothing to do with the physical image of Jesus and all to do with his message.

By the way what does Muhammad look like.


Jews look everywhere from extremly dark to blonde hair and blue eyed.

Jesus was from a part of the world where everyone is extremly dark skinned. There's actually a lot of information about what jesus would of looked like.


This is an artists construction from skulls found in the same area and same time jesus lived.

(http://www.religioustolerance.org/jesusface.jpg)

He would of been about 5'1,105lbs.
Title: Re: why
Post by: FREAKgeek on May 06, 2006, 03:35:43 AM
(http://www.religioustolerance.org/jesusface.jpg)

ha ha
he looks like a tool
Title: Re: why
Post by: Johnny Apollo on May 06, 2006, 03:44:47 AM
Black Jesus

(http://3d-decoupage.com/images/19977_BlackJesus_Pg23_WEB.jpg)


Blue eyed blonde Jesus

(http://www.io.com/~dierdorf/jesusblonde.jpg)



Chinese Jesus

(http://kingofpeace.org/images/resurrection-chinese.jpg)

Greek appearing jesus

(http://www.geocities.com/lelefty/christ.gif)

Blonde nazi anti-semetic jesus from the nazi "Der Sturmer" publication  :o

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Stuermer1934.gif)
Title: Re: why
Post by: OzmO on May 06, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
In a minute Johnny will use one of these pics as himself.
Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 06, 2006, 02:08:03 PM
6 mins..666...assasin...sh ould i worry?

Unfortunately, there's no red lipstick 'n trenchcoat, switch-trains-in-Paris intrigue/assassin stuff in my life... :(
I only know that assassin story from an ethics-related class where we read about a constitutional right to publish "killer's handbook" landmark case. Someone actually had the book and that was the only part of the "hints and tips" section I remember...(probably a good thing  :))

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in jewish religion and islam they get to go to heaven if they lived a good life..(i could be wrong on that...i usually make this stuff up as i go along    )

(I wonder about that occasionally.) I think that it's true. Am lutheran protestant myself and like many christians am woefully ignorant of other religions. I do believe that in the jewish faith there are 600 some odd "mitzvahs" that one must try to complete in a lifetime. In the high five is anonymous giving...and I believe it is written "and honor will come in the end." I think in the muslim faith it is against the rules to ask for interest when lending money. Giving should be without strings. The major tenet in christian teaching is altruism as well. So the big "three" all teach altruism, obviously a major factor benefiting the perpetuation of our species, and yet all these religions really seem to contribute is in helping us keep our herd numbers down.  Ironic, that.

Because it is raining outside, I sit here and ask myself questions...
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 06, 2006, 02:24:07 PM
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Unfortunately, there's no red lipstick 'n trenchcoat, switch-trains-in-Paris intrigue/assassin stuff in my life...


it woulda been so naughty hot though  :(


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(I wonder about that occasionally.)

my motto thru high school physics (O-levels cambridge).."when in doubt, manipulate the data"  ;D  ..

PS hense i Aced all my practicals  ;D

Title: Re: why
Post by: Deedee on May 06, 2006, 02:53:50 PM


it woulda been so naughty hot though  :(

I know...it sucks.  Right this minute I could be slipping through the crowd in a kelly scarf and jackie O glasses. I'd have a gun strapped to my knickers, and carry deadly poisons under my fingernails. Plus, I'd have useful skills, like knowing how to fashion silencers out of common household items, in minutes  :D

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my motto thru high school physics (O-levels cambridge).."when in doubt, manipulate the data"    ..

PS hense i Aced all my practicals 

OHHHH, yer a "smartey pants"...

Did you go out last night and meet the girl of your dreams   ;)???
Title: Re: why
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 06, 2006, 04:52:41 PM
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OHHHH, yer a "smartey pants"...

Did you go out last night and meet the girl of your dreams

currently i live in a college town...i doubt it'll happen here  :(  but who knows..  :)
plus i wanna compete next yr and have a big test to prep for come august.plus i teach computer networking  netowrking to corporate people 15 days out of the month and the class avg 8 to 10 hrs / day everyday for 15 days.sooo

okie i'm off to the bars   8)   i have to leave and get back early so i can teach tomorrow :(