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I realize I've never read anything (even here that I can recall) about people who work out with weights and take Ozempic or those weight loss semiglutides/GLP1s or whatever called. I hear people are losing lots of weight, sure, because it craters appetite. But I haven't seen anything about people taking this and working out and how that affects them. Cutting out the slop is one thing, but just not eating much is another. I'd assume strength is plummeting because strength follows weight to a good degree, also similarly losing lots of muscle mass.
Maybe the reason I don't hear is because people who work out aren't doing much of this and do it the old fashioned way knowing what will happen.
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I think it just requires a lot of mental effort that many don’t have after long stressful days with responsibilities and worries pulling them in all directions. It’s easier when you’re younger I think.
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Eating too many carbs turns you into a Furtado.
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I've been on it for about 9 months now. Currently at 1.7mg.
My circumstances were similar to yours. Long stressful days which make proper dieting impossible. In addition I had heavy food noise, conflicts at work make me want to eat.
My job is my #1 priority, and I will probably get shit for this but I am in the top 2% in the UK amongst people who pay employment tax. The goal was to lose weight and get healthier without any compromise in executive functioning. In this sema treatment was successful and it also (largely) turned off food noise.
Starting body fat > 20%. Right now ~12%. 41 years old. No AAS (ever). Yes, I lost muscle and strength but this is because I was simply not training enough, not due to some semaglutide side effect. I lost the same amount of muscle as I had dieting in the past without semaglutide and little weight lifting.
There is a lot more, side effects, energy levels, etc... If you want to know, ask.
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I've been on it for about 9 months now. Currently at 1.7mg.
My circumstances were similar to yours. Long stressful days which make proper dieting impossible. In addition I had heavy food noise, conflicts at work make me want to eat.
My job is my #1 priority, and I will probably get shit for this but I am in the top 2% in the UK amongst people who pay employment tax. The goal was to lose weight and get healthier without any compromise in executive functioning. In this sema treatment was successful and it also (largely) turned off food noise.
Starting body fat > 20%. Right now ~12%. 41 years old. No AAS (ever). Yes, I lost muscle and strength but this is because I was simply not training enough, not due to some semaglutide side effect. I lost the same amount of muscle as I had dieting in the past without semaglutide and little weight lifting.
There is a lot more, side effects, energy levels, etc... If you want to know, ask.
Thanks for the reply, not something I'm really considering, but I would be interested in seeing what it's like without food noise. On the other hand, I do consider good tasty food one of the great pleasures in life and going around a bit "averse" to food doesn't sound enjoyable.
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Eating too many carbs turns into a Furtado.
yea I agree she’s now fartado
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There is a lot more, side effects, energy levels, etc... If you want to know, ask.
I'd be curious about the sides and energy levels. I have a mate who is mid 50s and a good 50kg heavier than he should be. He's a big bloke over 6 ft so 50kg at that height is obviously different than if he were 5'7 or something, for perspective. He works as a tradie (building houses) and despite his size, keeps pace with blokes half his age - he also works longer hours than most. Whilst he doesnt exercise per se hes very active. His downfall is lack of time to do much at all outside of work, but he does like the odd few beers after knock off each day and obviously eats a lot more than he should.
SO he'd unlikely be able to find time to expend more calories, nor would he need to if his appetite were more under control, but I suspect he'd still hit the drink regularly. any idea how the two might interact, and secondarily - given his active work life and the necessity to keep up said pace, what will it likely do to his ability to work long hours of moderate-hard physical labour?
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Don't take any drug that hasn't been around for at least a decade.
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Don't take any drug that hasn't been around for at least a decade.
I believe these drugs have been around for at least a decade. They were previously used with diabetes. Not brand brand new.
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I believe these drugs have been around for at least a decade. They were previously used with diabetes. Not brand brand new.
6 years for diabetes and 4 years for weight loss.
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I'd be curious about the sides and energy levels. I have a mate who is mid 50s and a good 50kg heavier than he should be. He's a big bloke over 6 ft so 50kg at that height is obviously different than if he were 5'7 or something, for perspective. He works as a tradie (building houses) and despite his size, keeps pace with blokes half his age - he also works longer hours than most. Whilst he doesnt exercise per se hes very active. His downfall is lack of time to do much at all outside of work, but he does like the odd few beers after knock off each day and obviously eats a lot more than he should.
SO he'd unlikely be able to find time to expend more calories, nor would he need to if his appetite were more under control, but I suspect he'd still hit the drink regularly. any idea how the two might interact, and secondarily - given his active work life and the necessity to keep up said pace, what will it likely do to his ability to work long hours of moderate-hard physical labour?
Beer raises estrogen levels which causes fat gain.
It's also high in carbs and leads to increase in intra-abdomial fat and fatty liver disease.
Much better to have a shot or two of hard liquor straight up as it has hardly any carbs.
A simple way to have your friend reduce his bodyfat is to drop carbs way down (no bread or grains) and increase fat intake (eat fatty meats, cheese, butter).
This will also be very satisfying and he won't have hunger pangs.
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They say the weight lost is like almost half muscle in people who don't lift. This really should be taken with PEDs IMO. Many of you probably saw about the trials of Ozempic stacked with myostatin inhibitors. Muscle actually went up, but the sides might be bad, hard to tell yet. We know what low dose steroids do, relatively benign. Say 200mg of test a week. In forced bed rest on catabolic thyroid meds 200mg Test added 2kg of muscle in about 3 or 4 weeks, where the control group lost muscle.
Look at Retatrutide as a better alternative, it's the rage among "PED influencers" right now.
Speaking of fat loss. I had an extremely dramatic fat loss recently without trying. I had lost weight involuntarily in recent months. Just came home from the hospital after having my gallbladder removed. Now I naturally sit at >20% BF. Imagine my shock at the hospital when they tell me they can't give me subcutaneous injections in the belly because there's no fat there, they had to shoot in my thigh! :o Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a situation like this, I would've assumed getting to this bodyfat would take a year of hard deprivation dieting. Appetite has been down but I've consciously drank sugar sodas, like 10+ cans a day, and as much fat as I could tolerate. And obviously protein, lots of RTDs throughout the day. A couple of cooked meals, again as fatty and unhealthy as possible.
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Beer raises estrogen levels which causes fat gain.
It's also high in carbs and leads to increase in intra-abdomial fat and fatty liver disease.
Much better to have a shot or two of hard liquor straight up as it has hardly any carbs.
A simple way to have your friend reduce his bodyfat is to drop carbs way down (no bread or grains) and increase fat intake (eat fatty meats, cheese, butter).
This will also be very satisfying and he won't have hunger pangs.
Appreciate the reply.. Def agree on the alcohol issue, I don't drink myself so any influence I could have is already in effect but nullified. He's a very well liked bloke and no shortage of fellas that will have a beer or four with him after work. Good on the one hand, but not so much his health.
They say the weight lost is like almost half muscle in people who don't lift. This really should be taken with PEDs IMO. Many of you probably saw about the trials of Ozempic stacked with myostatin inhibitors. Muscle actually went up, but the sides might be bad, hard to tell yet. We know what low dose steroids do, relatively benign. Say 200mg of test a week. In forced bed rest on catabolic thyroid meds 200mg Test added 2kg of muscle in about 3 or 4 weeks, where the control group lost muscle.
Look at Retatrutide as a better alternative, it's the rage among "PED influencers" right now.
Speaking of fat loss. I had an extremely dramatic fat loss recently without trying. I had lost weight involuntarily in recent months. Just came home from the hospital after having my gallbladder removed. Now I naturally sit at >20% BF. Imagine my shock at the hospital when they tell me they can't give me subcutaneous injections in the belly because there's no fat there, they had to shoot in my thigh! :o Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a situation like this, I would've assumed getting to this bodyfat would take a year of hard deprivation dieting. Appetite has been down but I've consciously drank sugar sodas, like 10+ cans a day, and as much fat as I could tolerate. And obviously protein, lots of RTDs throughout the day. A couple of cooked meals, again as fatty and unhealthy as possible.
I doubt I could get him on board with PED stuff. HE knows I've used gear when I was younger and have started what is legit greater than TRT doses (600mg currently) and introducing GH for the first time ever (shy of once or twice for an injury) because I'm very soon undergoing a full shoulder reco (thought it was just the supraspinatus on both sides completely snapped and partial tears to the rest, but last MRI showed infraspinatus snapped too and subscapularis hanging by a thread on the right hand side - if this goes at all well, and I'm maximising potential outcome with test, gh and immediately post surgery the bpc157/tb500 combo - based on advice I got here some months back, and maybe a low dose nandrolone - 50-100mg week). Point being he knows what I'm up to and that I measure twice cut once as far as dosages and new pharmaceuticals etc, and do as mcuh learning as I can - I'm no rocket scientist - but given what I've said about potential with TRT he's just not even remotely near a point of trying it.His call to be fair. Ironically the Ozempic, which I'd argue is at least as much cause for concern potentially, he seems less resistant to. If I was to guess I'd say its social stigma. Sometimes I forget that outside of lifters, people currently in their 50s or older see PEDs very differently. (I even got the 'doesn't it make your dick smaller?' question). To that end - I'll do some reading on Retatrutide and see if I can present it as a better option.
thankyou for the reply
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The sarcopenia is due to rapid weight loss. Over time energy levels should increase as nutrient partitioning improves (there are some preliminary studies on fibro and cfs for example).
it should not effect weight training. If you wanted more specific fat loss tirzepatide would be much better as the GIP action increases hormone sensitive lipase in adipocytes and causes direct beta oxidation and fat loss. In the head to head studies there was more fat loss and less muscle when compared to semaglutide.
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I doubt I could get him on board with PED stuff.
Yeah I know, wouldn't want to try to 'force' someone like that either. I think in the US many "clinics" pair GLP-1 drugs with "HRT " I also read that gym chains sell paired gym memberships with Ozempic consult as package deal. Which isn't scamming anyone IMO, but I'd bet some gyms add a hormone panel on top so they can sell some anabolics too ;) The GLP drugs aren't innocuous either, like we have the pancreatitis risk which is a very serious thing which I know very well personally. But they just figure if a doc writes a script it must be generally safe.
If you wanted more specific fat loss tirzepatide would be much better as the GIP action increases hormone sensitive lipase in adipocytes and causes direct beta oxidation and fat loss. In the head to head studies there was more fat loss and less muscle when compared to semaglutide.
My bro is getting 2 10mg bottles of this. He weighs like 280lbs and claims to eat 1800 cals a day. I told him he would lose weight automatically, no need to count calories, which he's absolute shit at doing obviously. Fucking guy is 61 and been lifting since his early teens, juicing almost as long, but he still can't even estimate calories. I told him that by my estimation he is taking in 5-6K cals most days. He got all mad, "I'm not fucking dumb!" Yes, yes you are; I didn't tell him that, just dropped it before we ended our friendship :D I would get on Reta or even Tirza for some of the "health benefits" at microdose but the pancreatitis is worrisome, it's almost damn near killed me or at least feels that way.
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I'd be curious about the sides and energy levels. I have a mate who is mid 50s and a good 50kg heavier than he should be. He's a big bloke over 6 ft so 50kg at that height is obviously different than if he were 5'7 or something, for perspective. He works as a tradie (building houses) and despite his size, keeps pace with blokes half his age - he also works longer hours than most. Whilst he doesnt exercise per se hes very active. His downfall is lack of time to do much at all outside of work, but he does like the odd few beers after knock off each day and obviously eats a lot more than he should.
SO he'd unlikely be able to find time to expend more calories, nor would he need to if his appetite were more under control, but I suspect he'd still hit the drink regularly. any idea how the two might interact, and secondarily - given his active work life and the necessity to keep up said pace, what will it likely do to his ability to work long hours of moderate-hard physical labour?
Asking for a friend? :D
The most severe and disgusting side effect for me is the stomach gas. Since GLP-1 slows down the passage of food through the digestive system any food that is already there will stay for much, much longer. I had already eaten a large chicken breast with some vegetables and hummus before taking the first shot... The next morning (10 hours later) I had severe burping and I could still taste the chicken, it felt like very little of it was digested.
At its worst when digestion is very slow stomach gas will build up and the burps will get stronger and have a very unpleasant, rotten eggs taste to them. The smell is terrible too, like farting from the mouth. The first time this happened I was burping for about an hour and not getting better and it felt like I had a rock in my stomach. Eventually the pressure got so bad I projectile vomited and just about made it to the bathroom (nice). I immediately felt better.
Needless to say after something like that, the food noise all but disappears and food in general becomes a disgusting concept. So for the first couple of months I could eat very small quantities. I think I've had one such episode in the last two or three months so it goes away. You just can't eat much, you'll pay for it. After a while you don't want to, many times a light meal left me feeling like I had just been to McDonalds.
Other sides is the diarrhea which follows such a throw up and it is nasty in a special way... I won't go into details. Once I had a severe stomach pain in the early hours that was so bad I felt like calling an ambulance. Like somebody was tearing me up inside.
Anyway, the pounds started coming off without any particular effort, just eating small amounts, usually protein, so I was free to focus on my job.
I know someone else who took semaglutide and they had none of the above, but their hair starting falling out at a much higher rate. This seems to be reversible after stopping.
Regarding energy levels they were ok, obviously lower since less calories are taken in. Not as bad as a PSMF with protein that was my standard diet. What I noticed immediately was:
1. The mood swings I used to get disappeared and crankiness was generally absent
2. It felt like somehow my blood sugar was not falling at too low levels, so the above was a side effect of that.
3. My sleep was not disrupted at all, as it would have been the case dieting without semaglutide.
I am sedentary, so not sure how it would affect someone as active as a builder. I imagine a priority for your friend is to be able to keep up with the young 'uns. I can't help much with that. If he wants to try it I would recommend taking it right before a bank holiday weekend, that way he can assess symptoms without having to find out on the job.
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Asking for a friend? :D
You know I actually suspected it may come across like tha!. I'm not in great shape right now, maybe need to drop half what he does, a little less with each passig week, mostly due to what I can and can't do training wise (and I won't lie it has lead to a sort of malaise) since I fucked both shoulders, and the fact I've been working up to 80+ hours per week. to be fair that's recently changed as I'm shortlisted for surgery, and I've made a conscious effort to try and get in the best possible position physically and biochemically just prior to going under the knife (wanted to work out what my body is ok with before the fact, GH and peptides are mostly new ground for me, regular test - old school gear not so much). I can't say I love it but i can get there without appetite suppressants and diabetes meds. I'm not in the sort of shape that some of the guys that do circuit training and advanced cardio list in the training thread but I can easily pass the cardiologist treadmill stress test and still be talking to the testers at the last level (it's not hard by athlete standards mind you)
I appreciate your extended comments about gastrointestinal distress as that would be problematic for my mate, due to work
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Sounds like Bhanks may have gotten both the black bile throw up and the hair loss.
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Doesn’t sound common, but blindness is a side effect. https://ritms.rutgers.edu/news/scientists-explain-ozempic-blindness-link-between-sudden-vision-loss-and-weight-loss-drugs/
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Too lazy to look up the dosages now, but last time I read professionalmuscle some of the posters were microdosing the GLP-1s, saying the prescribed dosages were too high. Of course Retatrutide is by far the favorite for bodybuilding application, for positive health effects like improving insulin sensitivity. Sometimes bodybuilder are the conservative ones in the room. Other meds could be added at low doses to fill in the gaps, boost the effects without sides and so on.
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Don't take any drug that hasn't been around for at least a decade.
I'm also wary of this. Same reason i never tried any of those pro hormones or designer type compounds that came the last 10/15 years.
Quite impressed with @Raymondo 's progress, however, especially since he hasn't done AAS and got great fat loss results whilst dieting. Im of similar age, so my genes are starting to do their thing, finally. Oh well
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Yeah I know, wouldn't want to try to 'force' someone like that either. I think in the US many "clinics" pair GLP-1 drugs with "HRT " I also read that gym chains sell paired gym memberships with Ozempic consult as package deal. Which isn't scamming anyone IMO, but I'd bet some gyms add a hormone panel on top so they can sell some anabolics too ;) The GLP drugs aren't innocuous either, like we have the pancreatitis risk which is a very serious thing which I know very well personally. But they just figure if a doc writes a script it must be generally safe.
My bro is getting 2 10mg bottles of this. He weighs like 280lbs and claims to eat 1800 cals a day. I told him he would lose weight automatically, no need to count calories, which he's absolute shit at doing obviously. Fucking guy is 61 and been lifting since his early teens, juicing almost as long, but he still can't even estimate calories. I told him that by my estimation he is taking in 5-6K cals most days. He got all mad, "I'm not fucking dumb!" Yes, yes you are; I didn't tell him that, just dropped it before we ended our friendship :D I would get on Reta or even Tirza for some of the "health benefits" at microdose but the pancreatitis is worrisome, it's almost damn near killed me or at least feels that way.
ya the benefits are pretty staggering tbh. reta is pretty amazing and by far the best of the bunch so far. How hard is it to mix up?
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Doesn’t sound common, but blindness is a side effect. https://ritms.rutgers.edu/news/scientists-explain-ozempic-blindness-link-between-sudden-vision-loss-and-weight-loss-drugs/
it works out to be like 3 extra persons per 100k, it appears to be related to rapid drops in hba1c
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I'm also wary of this. Same reason i never tried any of those pro hormones or designer type compounds that came the last 10/15 years.
Yes they weren't tested much or at all in humans but the compounds were desscribed and their anabolic/androgenic indices based on animal testing were known. Supp companies were hunting down copies of a book by one Julius Vida.
ya the benefits are pretty staggering tbh. reta is pretty amazing and by far the best of the bunch so far. How hard is it to mix up?
How do you mean? I haven't looked up prices but the Chinese copies seem plentiful. The Euro lab testing all sorts of compounds said they had 30 tests a day for glp-1 drugs, and it's mostly relabeling UG "labs" doing the testing, this was maybe a year ago or more.
Have you looked at the myostatin and actin (?) inhibitor drugs which have been tested with Ozempic now? What's your opinion on them? Dangerous?
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My training partner swears by selegiline combined with phenylethylamine, he says you don't get hungry and your energy levels through the roof all day long. The two have a synergistic effect and don't work standalone, needs to be combined.
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My training partner swears by selegiline combined with phenylethylamine, he says you don't get hungry and your energy levels through the roof all day long. The two have a synergistic effect and don't work standalone, needs to be combined.
ya its a stimulant and a mao-b inhibitor, it could be dangerous but dose dependent.\
Mots-c looks interesting.
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Just heard today the three side effects are diarrhea, hair loss and depression.
Sounds like Hankins.
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Robbie Williams claims Mounjaro is making him 'blind' but singer plans to stay on weight loss jab
https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/robbie-williams-mounjaro-blind-singer-weight-loss-jab
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Just heard today the three side effects are diarrhea, hair loss and depression.
Sounds like Hankins.
That's why it works so well for weight loss. You shit out everything you eat immediately.
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I realize I've never read anything (even here that I can recall) about people who work out with weights and take Ozempic or those weight loss semiglutides/GLP1s or whatever called. I hear people are losing lots of weight, sure, because it craters appetite. But I haven't seen anything about people taking this and working out and how that affects them. Cutting out the slop is one thing, but just not eating much is another. I'd assume strength is plummeting because strength follows weight to a good degree, also similarly losing lots of muscle mass.
Maybe the reason I don't hear is because people who work out aren't doing much of this and do it the old fashioned way knowing what will happen.
Why don't you just take GH instead of Ozempic? Ozempic is harmful to your health, while GH is only beneficial!
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^^^ Mental illness.
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My training partner swears by selegiline combined with phenylethylamine, he says you don't get hungry and your energy levels through the roof all day long. The two have a synergistic effect and don't work standalone, needs to be combined.
Selegeline was pushed by Dr Colgan in MD magazine back in the day. Said he thought it would increase test by 10%, whether that's worth anything (probably not). Problem for some is it makes you test positive for amphetamines through tiny conversion in the body. Hadn't heard of potentiating it with other things, maybe it's great. I think more people might want to try bromantane for a dopamine boost and energy.
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^^^ Mental illness.
100%
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People skipping the Zempic to gorge on Thanksgiving. From the WSJ:
"“I was the one bringing the crazy dish” to family Thanksgivings, says Donnelly-Boylen, 52, an associate law-school dean living in Boston who has lost about 125 pounds on Mounjaro.
Now, he will cut out the maple syrup and brown sugar he added to sweet potatoes. For dessert, he will whip up a healthy pumpkin cheesecake made of high-protein muffin mix and low-fat cottage cheese.
The GLP-1 drugs work by suppressing appetite and making people feel full sooner. Many users stay away from greasy, creamy and sweet foods because they can exacerbate side effects such as nausea.
The drugs are given as weekly shots. Both their efficacy and side effects can wane as the days go by until the next shot. That knowledge has led to strategies—which GLP-1 patients have been discussing in internet chat rooms and on social-media sites—to skip or delay doses to maximize appetites for the feast.
“It’s almost like I’m training—the opposite of how an athlete would train,” says Langer, 47, a founder of a public relations agency. “I’m training so that I can eat more on Thanksgiving.”
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Are bodybuilders taking this drug?
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Are bodybuilders taking this drug?
I’m sure they are. They take rat poison to lose weight I’m pretty sure they will take a doctor prescribed drug.
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I’m sure they are. They take rat poison to lose weight I’m pretty sure they will take a doctor prescribed drug.
Interesting that we've not really heard any stories about bodybuilders taking it
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Many bodybuilders including pros are using GLP"s. Nick Walker is big on retatrutide.
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Nick Walker is big on retatrutide.
Yet Nick is not big enough to sit on an adult toilet without his feet dangling! ;D
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Yeah I know, wouldn't want to try to 'force' someone like that either. I think in the US many "clinics" pair GLP-1 drugs with "HRT " I also read that gym chains sell paired gym memberships with Ozempic consult as package deal. Which isn't scamming anyone IMO, but I'd bet some gyms add a hormone panel on top so they can sell some anabolics too ;) The GLP drugs aren't innocuous either, like we have the pancreatitis risk which is a very serious thing which I know very well personally. But they just figure if a doc writes a script it must be generally safe.
My bro is getting 2 10mg bottles of this. He weighs like 280lbs and claims to eat 1800 cals a day. I told him he would lose weight automatically, no need to count calories, which he's absolute shit at doing obviously. Fucking guy is 61 and been lifting since his early teens, juicing almost as long, but he still can't even estimate calories. I told him that by my estimation he is taking in 5-6K cals most days. He got all mad, "I'm not fucking dumb!" Yes, yes you are; I didn't tell him that, just dropped it before we ended our friendship :D I would get on Reta or even Tirza for some of the "health benefits" at microdose but the pancreatitis is worrisome, it's almost damn near killed me or at least feels that way.
Can you write a bit more on the pancreatitis? What caused it? Were there any warning signs if so what were they?
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Interesting that we've not really heard any stories about bodybuilders taking it
As US MUSCLE said, it seems every bodybuilder is on retatrutide now. Even in the off-season. For health benefits. They are developing glp-1 combos with anabolics focusing on IGF-1 I think, so you won't lose muscle, as always happens otherwise unless on bodybuilding drugs. These are apparently already on the black market but too expensive for the common man, plus there's concerns about serious side effects.
In the works, for example:
"NA 931 is a quadruple agonist—meaning it simultaneously targets GLP 1, GIP, glucagon, and IGF 1 receptors. This multi-pathway approach is a significant advancement over first-generation GLP 1-only agents."
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People skipping the Zempic to gorge on Thanksgiving. From the WSJ:
"“I was the one bringing the crazy dish” to family Thanksgivings, says Donnelly-Boylen, 52, an associate law-school dean living in Boston who has lost about 125 pounds on Mounjaro.
Now, he will cut out the maple syrup and brown sugar he added to sweet potatoes. For dessert, he will whip up a healthy pumpkin cheesecake made of high-protein muffin mix and low-fat cottage cheese.
The GLP-1 drugs work by suppressing appetite and making people feel full sooner. Many users stay away from greasy, creamy and sweet foods because they can exacerbate side effects such as nausea.
The drugs are given as weekly shots. Both their efficacy and side effects can wane as the days go by until the next shot. That knowledge has led to strategies—which GLP-1 patients have been discussing in internet chat rooms and on social-media sites—to skip or delay doses to maximize appetites for the feast.
“It’s almost like I’m training—the opposite of how an athlete would train,” says Langer, 47, a founder of a public relations agency. “I’m training so that I can eat more on Thanksgiving.”
I fucking hate fat people.
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They say the weight lost is like almost half muscle in people who don't lift. This really should be taken with PEDs IMO. Many of you probably saw about the trials of Ozempic stacked with myostatin inhibitors. Muscle actually went up, but the sides might be bad, hard to tell yet. We know what low dose steroids do, relatively benign. Say 200mg of test a week. In forced bed rest on catabolic thyroid meds 200mg Test added 2kg of muscle in about 3 or 4 weeks, where the control group lost muscle.
Look at Retatrutide as a better alternative, it's the rage among "PED influencers" right now.
Speaking of fat loss. I had an extremely dramatic fat loss recently without trying. I had lost weight involuntarily in recent months. Just came home from the hospital after having my gallbladder removed. Now I naturally sit at >20% BF. Imagine my shock at the hospital when they tell me they can't give me subcutaneous injections in the belly because there's no fat there, they had to shoot in my thigh! :o Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a situation like this, I would've assumed getting to this bodyfat would take a year of hard deprivation dieting. Appetite has been down but I've consciously drank sugar sodas, like 10+ cans a day, and as much fat as I could tolerate. And obviously protein, lots of RTDs throughout the day. A couple of cooked meals, again as fatty and unhealthy as possible.
Saw a podcast with a compound pharmacist who CLAIMED they combine their semiglutide with IGF-1 or something and there was minimal muscle loss. Also claimed folks take WAY to much to start, and they offer a more tailored approach, started with much lower doses and increasing if necessary, rather than going in with the "normal" dose right off the bat.
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Robbie Williams claims Mounjaro is making him 'blind' but singer plans to stay on weight loss jab
https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/robbie-williams-mounjaro-blind-singer-weight-loss-jab
I think I speak for the rest of the UK getbiggers when I say fuck Robbie Williams
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another crutch that fails in the end...
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Can you write a bit more on the pancreatitis? What caused it? Were there any warning signs if so what were they?
Last december I suddenly got 10/10 pain in my stomach very suddenly. Screamed like an idiot in my apartment until paramedics came 40 minutes later, neighbors were knocking to see wtf was going on, embarrassing. Acute pancreatitis. Usually it's caused by alcohol, without checking I think in like 90% of cases. Although I love rec drugs, don't have the budget to really do a lot of them them though, but I haven't really drank alcohol in 20 years, believe it or not. They took that alcohol test that shows if you drink and I was negative. Then they hypothesized it was caused by gallbladder stones, images showed a few small ones. They recommended gallbladder removal. I hesitated and I'd read that the drug bodybuilders use for liver protection TUDCA or UDCA which they use more in medicine. Suggested to doc and he immediately wrote a years script. But then I had further attacks and so I went through the surgery a few months ago. But I still have severe stomach and upper back pains periodically; I'm actually on a hospital bed right now since I had terrible pain last night. They say they don't think I have pancreatitis as such right now. I had 3 cysts on my pancreas instead a few months ago and new images shows there's one small cyst that seems to be self-destroying. I have this fluid IV in my arm after which I can go home. Some drugs can cause pancreatitis, like the Ozempic and looking at lists I see estrogen as listed as one too. So there might be a PED connection, hard to say. I'm playing witch doctor and taking mega dosed melatonin and methylene blue and other antioxidants that may protect the pancreas. Exogenous insulin too to theoretically take some load off the organ, plus it's an antioxidant as well. Repeated pancreatitis damages the pancreas which then leads to diabetes.
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Last december I suddenly got 10/10 pain in my stomach very suddenly. Screamed like an idiot in my apartment until paramedics came 40 minutes later, neighbors were knocking to see wtf was going on, embarrassing. Acute pancreatitis.
Usually it's caused by alcohol, without checking I think in like 90% of cases.
Although I love rec drugs, don't have the budget to really do a lot of them them though, but I haven't really drank alcohol in 20 years, believe it or not.
They took that alcohol test that shows if you drink and I was negative.
Then they hypothesized it was caused by gallbladder stones, images showed a few small ones.
They recommended gallbladder removal. I hesitated and I'd read that the drug bodybuilders use for liver protection TUDCA or UDCA which they use more in medicine.
Suggested to doc and he immediately wrote a years script.
But then I had further attacks and so I went through the surgery a few months ago.
But I still have severe stomach and upper back pains periodically; I'm actually on a hospital bed right now since I had terrible pain last night.
They say they don't think I have pancreatitis as such right now.
I had 3 cysts on my pancreas instead a few months ago and new images shows there's one small cyst that seems to be self-destroying.
I have this fluid IV in my arm after which I can go home.
Some drugs can cause pancreatitis, like the Ozempic and looking at lists I see estrogen as listed as one too. So there might be a PED connection, hard to say.
I'm playing witch doctor and taking mega dosed melatonin and methylene blue and other antioxidants that may protect the pancreas.
Exogenous insulin too to theoretically take some load off the organ, plus it's an antioxidant as well.
Repeated pancreatitis damages the pancreas which then leads to diabetes.
fixed, people might read it now
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You seem to be a walking pharmacy. What is everything you’re on right now?
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You seem to be a walking pharmacy. What is everything you’re on right now?
Rons going to have to delete the random pics thread to get the bandwith to load up his response
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I think I speak for the rest of the UK getbiggers when I say fuck Robbie Williams
completely
I fucking hated good morning vietnam
;D
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Last december I suddenly got 10/10 pain in my stomach very suddenly. Screamed like an idiot in my apartment until paramedics came 40 minutes later, neighbors were knocking to see wtf was going on, embarrassing. Acute pancreatitis. Usually it's caused by alcohol, without checking I think in like 90% of cases. Although I love rec drugs, don't have the budget to really do a lot of them them though, but I haven't really drank alcohol in 20 years, believe it or not. They took that alcohol test that shows if you drink and I was negative. Then they hypothesized it was caused by gallbladder stones, images showed a few small ones. They recommended gallbladder removal. I hesitated and I'd read that the drug bodybuilders use for liver protection TUDCA or UDCA which they use more in medicine. Suggested to doc and he immediately wrote a years script. But then I had further attacks and so I went through the surgery a few months ago. But I still have severe stomach and upper back pains periodically; I'm actually on a hospital bed right now since I had terrible pain last night. They say they don't think I have pancreatitis as such right now. I had 3 cysts on my pancreas instead a few months ago and new images shows there's one small cyst that seems to be self-destroying. I have this fluid IV in my arm after which I can go home. Some drugs can cause pancreatitis, like the Ozempic and looking at lists I see estrogen as listed as one too. So there might be a PED connection, hard to say. I'm playing witch doctor and taking mega dosed melatonin and methylene blue and other antioxidants that may protect the pancreas. Exogenous insulin too to theoretically take some load off the organ, plus it's an antioxidant as well. Repeated pancreatitis damages the pancreas which then leads to diabetes.
I went 3 weeks with agonizing pain before I went to the ER......the ER doc told me I was crazy and must have a high tolerance for pain to last that long suffering like I was.......I kept thinking it would go away but I knew I was kidding myself........I was just chickenshit as I had never had any type of surgery before.
He then told me I had Pancreatic Cancer........I am now a Diabetic and I have to take Pancreatic Enzymes called Creon with everything that I eat.
there was a few nights I stayed up all night and day cuz I thought if I slept that I would never wake up again.
I`m always in pain even though I had the "Whipple Procedure" surgery in late July.................... ...one of the most complex abdominal surgeries that a person can have......they literally have to rearrange your insides.
the fuckers removed a huge portion of my Pancreas,my Duodenum,some of my intestines,my Bile Duct,my Gall Bladder,some Lymph Nodes,and a small portion of my stomach...........as a result I`m all fucked up and have a hard time digesting fats.
It takes 6 months to a year to make a full recovery if you last that long........been dealing with this for 19 months now.
I looked fucking great at 69,now at 70 I look like a shell of a man.
Sorry about the self pity pussified type rant but this has impacted the quality of my life in a huge way,both mentally as well as physically.
I contemplate suicide a lot lately but fuck it,it`s only pain. ;)
I always say that I woudn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy then I think of Hankins and just smile. LOL ;D
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Rons going to have to delete the random pics thread to get the bandwith to load up his response
;D
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They say the weight lost is like almost half muscle in people who don't lift. This really should be taken with PEDs IMO. Many of you probably saw about the trials of Ozempic stacked with myostatin inhibitors. Muscle actually went up, but the sides might be bad, hard to tell yet. We know what low dose steroids do, relatively benign. Say 200mg of test a week. In forced bed rest on catabolic thyroid meds 200mg Test added 2kg of muscle in about 3 or 4 weeks, where the control group lost muscle.
Look at Retatrutide as a better alternative, it's the rage among "PED influencers" right now.
Speaking of fat loss. I had an extremely dramatic fat loss recently without trying. I had lost weight involuntarily in recent months. Just came home from the hospital after having my gallbladder removed. Now I naturally sit at >20% BF. Imagine my shock at the hospital when they tell me they can't give me subcutaneous injections in the belly because there's no fat there, they had to shoot in my thigh! :o Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine a situation like this, I would've assumed getting to this bodyfat would take a year of hard deprivation dieting. Appetite has been down but I've consciously drank sugar sodas, like 10+ cans a day, and as much fat as I could tolerate. And obviously protein, lots of RTDs throughout the day. A couple of cooked meals, again as fatty and unhealthy as possible.
are those available now? and do they work? like are there studies on them?
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are those available now? and do they work? like are there studies on them?
no, no, and no
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are those available now? and do they work? like are there studies on them?
There's one Vigorous Steve tried via a source sponsorship. Said it was fantastic during the time he trialed it. But it apparently costs 70 bucks a day and he said it's probably not worth it at that price. He also praises Increlex IGF-1 but problem is it's extremely hard to find and then finance as well.
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There's one Vigorous Steve tried via a source sponsorship. Said it was fantastic during the time he trialed it. But it apparently costs 70 bucks a day and he said it's probably not worth it at that price. He also praises Increlex IGF-1 but problem is it's extremely hard to find and then finance as well.
Sounds like "Vigorous Steve" is a broke ass bitch
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I went 3 weeks with agonizing pain before I went to the ER......the ER doc told me I was crazy and must have a high tolerance for pain to last that long suffering like I was.......I kept thinking it would go away but I knew I was kidding myself........I was just chickenshit as I had never had any type of surgery before.
He then told me I had Pancreatic Cancer........I am now a Diabetic and I have to take Pancreatic Enzymes called Creon with everything that I eat.
there was a few nights I stayed up all night and day cuz I thought if I slept that I would never wake up again.
I`m always in pain even though I had the "Whipple Procedure" surgery in late July.................... ...one of the most complex abdominal surgeries that a person can have......they literally have to rearrange your insides.
the fuckers removed a huge portion of my Pancreas,my Duodenum,some of my intestines,my Bile Duct,my Gall Bladder,some Lymph Nodes,and a small portion of my stomach...........as a result I`m all fucked up and have a hard time digesting fats.
It takes 6 months to a year to make a full recovery if you last that long........been dealing with this for 19 months now.
I looked fucking great at 69,now at 70 I look like a shell of a man.
Sorry about the self pity pussified type rant but this has impacted the quality of my life in a huge way,both mentally as well as physically.
I contemplate suicide a lot lately but fuck it,it`s only pain. ;)
I always say that I woudn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy then I think of Hankins and just smile. LOL ;D
You have my sympathies, that's a lot of stuff going on at once. But I know you are a fighter too. I was at the ER yesterday for pain. I'm back here againright now and they're trying to figure out wtf is wrong with me. There's limits to how much pain you can tolerate so suicide is on my mind every day too. One day at a time, I guess. Psychedelics have been trialed for terminal patients to deal with fear of death, so I gotta try some mushrooms here shortly :D
I've had some experiences that showed me what capacity to experience pain we have, I'm convinced most don't know how how fearful you can get.
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You have my sympathies, that's a lot of stuff going on at once. But I know you are a fighter too. I was at the ER yesterday for pain. I'm back here againright now and they're trying to figure out wtf is wrong with me. There's limits to how much pain you can tolerate so suicide is on my mind every day too. One day at a time, I guess. Psychedelics have been trialed for terminal patients to deal with fear of death, so I gotta try some mushrooms here shortly :D
I've had some experiences that showed me what capacity to experience pain we have, I'm convinced most don't know how how fearful you can get.
Best of luck Van.....I hope it`s nothing too serious.
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Robbie Williams claims Mounjaro is making him 'blind' but singer plans to stay on weight loss jab
https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/robbie-williams-mounjaro-blind-singer-weight-loss-jab
I am not a big fan of him but i did like his style ala Sean Connery & Frank Sinatra
however he is a troubled man, who has admitted this in interviews so fair play to him.
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Asking for a friend? :D
asking for me
Any gb experience of this drug being a sex apatite suppressant ?
answers on behalf of a friend will be ok :)
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asking for me
Any gb experience of this drug being a sex apatite suppressant ?
answers on behalf of a friend will be ok :)
No such experience for me.
If anything due to the fat loss, hormone ratios become more optimal, i.e you get hornier
Also one may underestimate how much better sex performance is when reasonably lean. I don't mean 6-7% fat. Around 10% you can do a lot of things you can't when you are a lard ass
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I think I speak for the rest of the UK getbiggers when I say fuck Robbie Williams
Not a big fan of Mrs Doubtfire i gather?
What about Mork and Mindy though?
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No such experience for me.
If anything due to the fat loss, hormone ratios become more optimal, i.e you get hornier
Also one may underestimate how much better sex performance is when reasonably lean. I don't mean 6-7% fat. Around 10% you can do a lot of things you can't when you are a lard ass
attract a woman for one.
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I went 3 weeks with agonizing pain before I went to the ER......the ER doc told me I was crazy and must have a high tolerance for pain to last that long suffering like I was.......I kept thinking it would go away but I knew I was kidding myself........I was just chickenshit as I had never had any type of surgery before.
He then told me I had Pancreatic Cancer........I am now a Diabetic and I have to take Pancreatic Enzymes called Creon with everything that I eat.
there was a few nights I stayed up all night and day cuz I thought if I slept that I would never wake up again.
I`m always in pain even though I had the "Whipple Procedure" surgery in late July.................... ...one of the most complex abdominal surgeries that a person can have......they literally have to rearrange your insides.
the fuckers removed a huge portion of my Pancreas,my Duodenum,some of my intestines,my Bile Duct,my Gall Bladder,some Lymph Nodes,and a small portion of my stomach...........as a result I`m all fucked up and have a hard time digesting fats.
It takes 6 months to a year to make a full recovery if you last that long........been dealing with this for 19 months now.
I looked fucking great at 69,now at 70 I look like a shell of a man.
Sorry about the self pity pussified type rant but this has impacted the quality of my life in a huge way,both mentally as well as physically.
I contemplate suicide a lot lately but fuck it,it`s only pain. ;)
I always say that I woudn`t wish this disease on my worst enemy then I think of Hankins and just smile. LOL ;D
You are a super tough bastard, Wes.