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damn good here and posing is amazing as well
this is also the year he was pretty close beating Yates
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
I specifically remember Paul Dillett saying that he was not impressed with Shawn Ray at the 1996 Olympia. Paul also said that he didn’t know why the judges gave Shawn so much attention at that contest.
1996 was one of Paul’s best showings.
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Dorian straight firsts in 1996 He was NEVER close to beating Dorian. No one was.
the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
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the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
I was at that show.
Sean looked like a peanut next to Yates.
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the straight first bullshit always gets me, out of all 7 judges not one on them thought Shawn deserved the nod?
Both high & low scores are tossed so that's what's left
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I was at that show.
Sean looked like a peanut next to Yates.
still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
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Both high & low scores are tossed so that's what's left
one high one low from 7 judges equals 5 left
You think Dorian got a 2nd off a judge?
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still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
Chris Cormier said that Shawn had a narrow back and stubby legs.
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still, for every judge to have identical preference to physiques that are close together is impossible
Not one thought, well Dorians arm looks terrible maybe Shawn has a better overall balance so give him the nod
Really, not once?
I'm sure Dorian most likely lost the front double biceps and a couple of other poses but seeing the high & low scores are tossed he could still lose a few poses and still wins with a ' perfect ' score. I remember when Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay Cutler and he was lamenting he could concede losing the " muscularity " round to Jay but couldn't fathom losing the " symmetry " round to Jay with his clearly better symmetry. The thing is Chris didn't know how the actually judge contests. every round was a physique round , meaning every aspect was judged at the same time. Muscularity , Muscular Bulk , Symmetry , Balance , Proportion , Conditioning , etc in every round , in every pose , with all that in mind , No one came close to beating Dorian on paper and off. He simply fulfilled the criteria better than his competition.
One could argue he shouldn't represent what the ideal of what a Mr Olympia should embody and you could make a case but in terms of how judge contests none of his contemporaries were going to beat him.
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one high one low from 7 judges equals 5 left
You think Dorian got a 2nd off a judge?
From Wayne Demilia
The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
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I'm sure Dorian most likely lost the front double biceps and a couple of other poses but seeing the high & low scores are tossed he could still lose a few poses and still wins with a ' perfect ' score. I remember when Chris Cormier lost the Arnold to Jay Cutler and he was lamenting he could concede losing the " muscularity " round to Jay but couldn't fathom losing the " symmetry " round to Jay with his clearly better symmetry. The thing is Chris didn't know how the actually judge contests. every round was a physique round , meaning every aspect was judged at the same time. Muscularity , Muscular Bulk , Symmetry , Balance , Proportion , Conditioning , etc in every round , in every pose , with all that in mind , No one came close to beating Dorian on paper and off. He simply fulfilled the criteria better than his competition.
One could argue he shouldn't represent what the ideal of what a Mr Olympia should embody and you could make a case but in terms of how judge contests none of his contemporaries were going to beat him.
I agree mostly with what you said. But Lee Haney did beat Yates in 1991. And Lee possibly could’ve beaten him in 1992.
But by 1993, Dorian would’ve definitely defeated Haney.
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Shawn Ray =one of my favorite bodybuilders.........the guy always looked incredible,trained his guts out,was super strong in the gym and very intense and focused........ and displayed his physique looking like a god..........great poser.
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Chris Cormier said that Shawn had a narrow back and stubby legs.
Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
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I agree mostly with what you said. But Lee Haney did beat Yates in 1991. And Lee possibly could’ve beaten him in 1992.
But by 1993, Dorian would’ve definitely defeated Haney.
I should've qualified I meant after he won his first Olympia.
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Shawn had narrow clavicles , funny people used to rail against Phil for being narrow but gave Shawn a pass. Shawn short legs/highish calves but all-and-all he had a excellent physique but the sport passed him by a decade. Shawn said he wish he was born a decade earlier when a guy 5'7" 205lbs could win the Olympia. He did great for himself but he was NEVER a threat to Haney , Yates or Ronnie.
He should have focused on more contests than just the Olympia.......I can obviously see his motivation though.
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He should have focused on more contests than just the Olympia.......I can obviously see his motivation though.
Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, and Michael Francois had the Arnold Classic locked up in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
Shawn decided to enter in 1996 and he placed 5th.
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Flex Wheeler, Kevin Levrone, and Michael Francois had the Arnold Classic locked up in 1993, 1994, and 1995.
Shawn decided to enter in 1996 and he placed 5th.
OUCH!!! :(
Yeah contests were tougher back then no doubt.