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It's Deja Vu all over again-with Wayne's new federation shaking things up a little
with a fraction of the money Vince McMahon had to splurge on the last major challenge to the Weider Empire
one thing in Wayne's favor is Joe & Co. are 25 years older and that much closer to that
big PUMP sUP ROOM IN THE SKY
Is the classic case of an option to be a BIG FISH in a little pond for all those IFBB wannabees who were that close winning a National Title (year after year) should the Phil Heaths not have signed on the dotted line quite yet - is FLEX MAG one issue away from being homeless ??
If Chick was pushing 40 and hadn't cracked a National show would he'd be the first one on the PDI bandwagon - it will be very intersting -and this time next year we'll know if it has legs quads-calves etc...
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Not likely for 1 very good reason...
The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...to add my name to the list of greats that have won the Nationals or the USA ...to see my picture on the wall at Golds Gym, the Mecca of BB where all the former champs have trained.
Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
It's called HISTORY...and being a part of it. It was never about the money...it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Others may have a different reasoning for THEIR goals, ambitions...this was mine.
That IFBB pro card might be just a cheap piece of shit visually...but it's a symbol of an accomplishment, of a goal achieved, and of a dream realised by many young kids that picked up their first Flex mag, or MD...and knew that THAT'S what they wanted to be.
It's not the look of the card thats important...it's what it represents.
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Not likely for 1 very good reason...
The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...to add my name to the list of greats that have won the Nationals or the USA ...to see my picture on the wall at Golds Gym, the Mecca of BB where all the former champs have trained.
Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
It's called HISTORY...and being a part of it. It was never about the money...it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Others may have a different reasoning for THEIR goals, ambitions...this was mine.
That IFBB pro card might be just a cheap piece of shit visually...but it's a symbol of an accomplishment, of a goal achieved, and of a dream realised by many young kids that picked up their first Flex mag, or MD...and knew that THAT'S what they wanted to be.
It's not the look of the card thats important...it's what it represents.
DEEP BOB , VERY DEEP !!!
But true , I wanted and strived for the card as it signiled success, I had to win over 30 odd amature shows to get to the piont where i said now can i have my pro status , it wasnt about the money or anything for me it was was about what I had accomplished to get it and be there on the pro stage !!
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The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...
.it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Interesting that you'd compete in the Masters Division instead of the regular IFBB...
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240, would you STFU already and get off Bob’s case. Anyone that rides a pro’s jock like you do must be only a couple posts away from another crazy melt down at any given time.
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Interesting that you'd compete in the Masters Division instead of the regular IFBB...
Just let it drop and stop with the little snipes every chance you get!! it really is sad and pathetic! your comeuppance is just around the corner ;)
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Just let it drop and stop with the little snipes every chance you get!! it really is sad and pathetic! your comeuppance is just around the corner ;)
240 you are showing weakness.
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Not likely for 1 very good reason...
The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...to add my name to the list of greats that have won the Nationals or the USA ...to see my picture on the wall at Golds Gym, the Mecca of BB where all the former champs have trained.
Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
It's called HISTORY...and being a part of it. It was never about the money...it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Others may have a different reasoning for THEIR goals, ambitions...this was mine.
That IFBB pro card might be just a cheap piece of shit visually...but it's a symbol of an accomplishment, of a goal achieved, and of a dream realised by many young kids that picked up their first Flex mag, or MD...and knew that THAT'S what they wanted to be.
It's not the look of the card thats important...it's what it represents.
Chick isn't HHH's picture on the wall at Golds? :-\
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Sure is...along with many other stars of different sports/ screen...
I'm referring, of course, to the 67 year history of BB in pictures throughout the gym....
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Not likely for 1 very good reason...
The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...to add my name to the list of greats that have won the Nationals or the USA ...to see my picture on the wall at Golds Gym, the Mecca of BB where all the former champs have trained.
Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
It's called HISTORY...and being a part of it. It was never about the money...it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Others may have a different reasoning for THEIR goals, ambitions...this was mine.
That IFBB pro card might be just a cheap piece of shit visually...but it's a symbol of an accomplishment, of a goal achieved, and of a dream realised by many young kids that picked up their first Flex mag, or MD...and knew that THAT'S what they wanted to be.
It's not the look of the card thats important...it's what it represents.
Bob I believe you deserve a lot more respect around here than you currently get. You represent a dying breed (or so it would seem) who have achieved your bodybuilding goals for the right reasons. I for one have learnt a lot from you and will go on doing so. Regardless of 240's tinted viewpoint of yourself it perplexes me that he speaks to with such distain. What is bodybuilding coming to when a web designer has more sway on a bodybuilding message board than an accomplished veteran of the sport?
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most def.
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most def.
Is that your brother? ;D
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this thread was not meant to be BASH BOB time
if you are talking history - Arnold never won an NPC show
1982 is still relatively not that long ago- 8 years before Pumping Iron was made
if we are talking BB History
So if PDI comes up with an amateur division - than a win would not be that hollow
Mike Matarazzo had the world at his feet right around the same time WWB attempted to
muscle in - he went with the IFBB for probably the very same reasons Chick mentions
maybe he should of taken the money and ran - as what does he have now -never won an IFBB show (I know it's not about winning ) he might of been a mainstream media star with movies -wrestling etc -
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this thread was not meant to be BASH BOB time
if you are talking history - Arnold never won an NPC show
1982 is still relatively not that long ago- 8 years before Pumping Iron was made
if we are talking BB History
So if PDI comes up with an amateur division - than a win would not be that hollow
Mike Matarazzo had the world at his feet right around the same time WWB attempted to
muscle in - he went with the IFBB for probably the very same reasons Chick mentions
maybe he should of taken the money and ran - as what does he have now -never won an IFBB show (I know it's not about winning ) he might of been a mainstream media star with movies -wrestling etc -
How many IFBB shows have you won? ::)
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Is that your brother? ;D
hahaha ya that guy is emo
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this thread was not meant to be BASH BOB time
if you are talking history - Arnold never won an NPC show
1982 is still relatively not that long ago- 8 years before Pumping Iron was made
if we are talking BB History
So if PDI comes up with an amateur division - than a win would not be that hollow
Mike Matarazzo had the world at his feet right around the same time WWB attempted to
muscle in - he went with the IFBB for probably the very same reasons Chick mentions
maybe he should of taken the money and ran - as what does he have now -never won an IFBB show (I know it's not about winning ) he might of been a mainstream media star with movies -wrestling etc -
Got to clear up a few facts...
Arnold never won a an NPC show because there was no NPC, and he was from Europe...the AAU was the only federation to speak of...The NPC "USA" was an extention of the old AAU "Mr. USA"...which goes back to the 1940's or so...same with the Nationals( formerly the AAU"Mr. America", which dates back to 1939 and the Bert Goodrich/ John Grimek era.
Much like the winners of the AAU shows never gained any respect...same would happen with a PDI amateur div. If you don't beat the best, you don't get the respect. All the best bodybuilders were/are in the NPC...
Pumping Iron was filmed in 1975...
If Mike wanted to, he could've pursued a Wrestling or movie career if he chose...had nothing to do with BB. Mike made a lot of money and was one of the most sought out guest posers up until he retired...making money and SAVING it are two different things.
Lots of guys made huge money back min the day, only to blow it on material things and end up broke (Paul Dillet, Flex Wheeler, etc.)
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Got to clear up a few facts...
Arnold never won a an NPC show because there was no NPC, and he was from Europe...the AAU was the only federation to speak of...The NPC "USA" was an extention of the old AAU "Mr. USA"...which goes back to the 1940's or so...same with the Nationals( formerly the AAU"Mr. America", which dates back to 1939 and the Bert Goodrich/ John Grimek era.
Much like the winners of the AAU shows never gained any respect...same would happen with a PDI amateur div. If you don't beat the best, you don't get the respect. All the best bodybuilders were/are in the NPC...
Pumping Iron was filmed in 1975...
If Mike wanted to, he could've pursued a Wrestling or movie career if he chose...had nothing to do with BB. Mike made a lot of money and was one of the most sought out guest posers up until he retired...making money and SAVING it are two different things.
Lots of guys made huge money back min the day, only to blow it on material things and end up broke (Paul Dillet, Flex Wheeler, etc.)
That's why I say the IFBB should provide Money Management Solutions much like the NFL does.
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Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
Understood, but that's how the IFBB (and the Olympia) began. Winners of the NABBA (and later IFBB) Mr. Universe were allowed to compete in the Olympia. Any organization has to start somewhere. If they started only with amateur competitions, it'd take years before they had enough pros to hold a contest.
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Difference was, the Olympia was put together to showcase top pro's from all other federations (especially the reigning 4 Mr. Universes...to see who REALLY was he best...
Were not talking about a hodgepodge of guys...some amateur, some pro, etc.
There's always been a level of respect among IFBB pros because everyone had to pay their dues the same...everyone had to reach a level of achievement just like the guy standing next to you on stage...even guys that didn't particularly like each other, still had that respect because we are all part of the same club.
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Difference was, the Olympia was put together to showcase top pro's from all other federations (especially the reigning 4 Mr. Universes...to see who REALLY was he best...
Were not talking about a hodgepodge of guys...some amateur, some pro, etc.
There's always been a level of respect among IFBB pros because everyone had to pay their dues the same...everyone had to reach a level of achievement just like the guy standing next to you on stage...even guys that didn't particularly like each other, still had that respect because we are all part of the same club.
even jocelyn pelletier ???
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ah yes, the truce. i shall play nice!
(Old habits die hard! But I'm trying here)
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sounds like Bob is in bodybuilding for all the right reasons............
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Bob - yes -I should of worded it - that Arnold never competed in the NPC
as 1982 Arnold was making Conan movies -
you claim in your post of getting the facts straight the NPC USA is a continuation of the AAU Mr USA
according to Musclememory.Com The AAU Mr USA was still happening well into the 90s
so that statement is not accurate - and I notice you did an AAU show in 1983
guess you were lucky to get out when you did otherwise you might of been another Jeff King
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There's always been a level of respect among IFBB pros because everyone had to pay their dues the same...everyone had to reach a level of achievement just like the guy standing next to you on stage...even guys that didn't particularly like each other, still had that respect because we are all part of the same club.
Meaning, get overlooked for a few years so the guys with seniority (but not neccesarily the best build) could get ahead because they paid their dues.
Sad.
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Bob - yes -I should of worded it - that Arnold never competed in the NPC
as 1982 Arnold was making Conan movies -
you claim in your post of getting the facts straight the NPC USA is a continuation of the AAU Mr USA
according to Musclememory.Com The AAU Mr USA was still happening well into the 90s
so that statement is not accurate - and I notice you did an AAU show in 1983
guess you were lucky to get out when you did otherwise you might of been another Jeff King
Not a continuation in the sense that they were the same federation...the AAU was still around...just didn't have the best BBers...they all went to the NPC early on.
Continuation in the sense that the best of the best amateurs were all competing against each other for a IFBB pro card...
The only AAU shows I did were when I first started...there was no NPC.
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Not a continuation in the sense that they were the same federation...the AAU was still around...just didn't have the best BBers...they all went to the NPC early on.
Continuation in the sense that the best of the best amateurs were all competing against each other for a IFBB pro card...
The only AAU shows I did were when I first started...there was no NPC.
Mediocre post, Bob!
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Bob - hate to be a stickler for the facts
but the NPC started in 1982 - there was a NPC show in New York in 82
also a Teen USA and Nationals that same year
You won an overall AAU Teen show in 1983
when the NPC came around in 82 and took on the AAU
it was a bit like the break-up of MA BELL - The AAU was a monopoly
so this upstart called the National Physique Committee challenged the monster(AAU) and won - so the lucky ones stayed with the winner NPC
others weren't so fortunate.
BTW -Musclememory.Com is not a complete data base
there a tons of AAU shows that aren't documented - probably because it's hard to get the info from who is left at the AAU -and I'm sure NPC/IFBB stars like yourself would like to keep it that way
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sounds like Bob is in bodybuilding for all the right reasons............
Not like that arvilla bloke..
He's all about the nookie
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Bob - hate to be a stickler for the facts
but the NPC started in 1982 - there was a NPC show in New York in 82
also a Teen USA and Nationals that same year
You won an overall AAU Teen show in 1983
when the NPC came around in 82 and took on the AAU
it was a bit like the break-up of MA BELL - The AAU was a monopoly
so this upstart called the National Physique Committee challenged the monster(AAU) and won - so the lucky ones stayed with the winner NPC
others weren't so fortunate.
BTW -Musclememory.Com is not a complete data base
there a tons of AAU shows that aren't documented - probably because it's hard to get the info from who is left at the AAU -and I'm sure NPC/IFBB stars like yourself would like to keep it that way
Are you questioning the Word of Bob? :-\
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Not likely for 1 very good reason...
The pursuit was for an IFBB pro card...to compete with the BEST in the world...to add my name to the list of greats that have won the Nationals or the USA ...to see my picture on the wall at Golds Gym, the Mecca of BB where all the former champs have trained.
Simply accepting a pro card with another federation, (PDI or otherwise) without proving yourself would have been an empty pro card in my book.
It's called HISTORY...and being a part of it. It was never about the money...it's about the prestige, the respect among your peers that YOU are now part of the club, adding yourself to the legacy that preceded you.
Others may have a different reasoning for THEIR goals, ambitions...this was mine.
That IFBB pro card might be just a cheap piece of shit visually...but it's a symbol of an accomplishment, of a goal achieved, and of a dream realised by many young kids that picked up their first Flex mag, or MD...and knew that THAT'S what they wanted to be.
It's not the look of the card thats important...it's what it represents.
A least Bob is admiting his egocentric motives. Many pros (especially the less successful ones) are in denial...
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Mediocre post, Bob!
You can't say that , lucius. You are the most post-whoring member getbig has ever had and 90% of your post sucks.
that's a fact
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You can't say that , lucius. You are the most post-whoring member getbig has ever had and 90% of your post sucks.
that's a fact
I am a post hero. Are all of my posts great? No, but neither are all of President Bush's decisions excellent and he is still the greatest president of the 21st century.
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I am a post hero. Are all of my posts great? No, but neither are all of President Bush's decisions excellent and he is still the greatest president of the 21st century.
I would say that in those nearly 6000 post, 4500 are garbage
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I would say that in those nearly 6000 post, 4500 are garbage
Nobody is perfect. That's why they put erasers on pencils ;D. What are other people's ratios?
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Bob - hate to be a stickler for the facts
but the NPC started in 1982 - there was a NPC show in New York in 82
also a Teen USA and Nationals that same year
You won an overall AAU Teen show in 1983
when the NPC came around in 82 and took on the AAU
it was a bit like the break-up of MA BELL - The AAU was a monopoly
so this upstart called the National Physique Committee challenged the monster(AAU) and won - so the lucky ones stayed with the winner NPC
others weren't so fortunate.
BTW -Musclememory.Com is not a complete data base
there a tons of AAU shows that aren't documented - probably because it's hard to get the info from who is left at the AAU -and I'm sure NPC/IFBB stars like yourself would like to keep it that way
I'm sure you're correct..however, not everyone was on board with the NPC as of that time, and there were AAU shows that were already scheduled, as they didn't just disappear...I was a 14 year old kid...I didn't have any allegiance to federations, or even have any knowledge of who was running what, etc.
Why would we (IFBB Pro's) care about info on the AAU? There were shows for some years after the NPC took over, there were winners of the Mr. America, etc...they just never received any respect/ recognition because everyone in BB knew the best BBers were in the NPC...I had nothing to do with it, those are the facts of the matter.
None of there semantics has anything to do with my original post or point...BTW.
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Bob - looks like you have been spending too much time in LA LA
where spin is king "I was just a 14 year old kid"
once again basing my facts on www.musclememory.com
it says you were born in 1965 - and you won an overall AAU Teen contest in 1983
So that would make you 18
sure it's ok to pooh pooh AAU shows now - but I bet that overall win meant a lot to you that night - as it would be many years before you would win overall again
this is not about semantics - I'm just sayin with all the different fractions of federations in Bodybuilding post-Pumping Iron ( with the exception of The Olympia )- it will never be equal to winning an Oscar for Best Actor (for example) where you can imagine the Oscar winner going home and saying to himself "geez" I'm now part of an elite list of greats Gary Cooper-Spencer Tracy-Denzel Washington
actually some of your contemporaries who won overall NPC USA turned out to be jailbirds and accused murderers - but let's not be judgemental
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CORRECTION
looking at Bob Chick's stats at musclememory.com
he actually won the overall NPC Jr Nationals in 1987
just four years after winning Mr Teen AAU New York State
which is quite impressive considering he was under 25
and no wonder he made the right choice to stick with the NPC
the dry spell came after that when it took him into the next century (2000)
to win an overall contest National level contest
Bob if you want to argue semantics - some people believe the 21st century did not start until 2001
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winning the Pro Colorado
does that make Phil Heath
A BIG FISH in a little pond
or
a little fish IN A BIG POND
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There's always been a level of respect among IFBB pros....
::)
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Got to clear up a few facts...
Arnold never won a an NPC show because there was no NPC, and he was from Europe...the AAU was the only federation to speak of...The NPC "USA" was an extention of the old AAU "Mr. USA"...which goes back to the 1940's or so...same with the Nationals( formerly the AAU"Mr. America", which dates back to 1939 and the Bert Goodrich/ John Grimek era.
Much like the winners of the AAU shows never gained any respect...same would happen with a PDI amateur div. If you don't beat the best, you don't get the respect. All the best bodybuilders were/are in the NPC...
Pumping Iron was filmed in 1975...
If Mike wanted to, he could've pursued a Wrestling or movie career if he chose...had nothing to do with BB. Mike made a lot of money and was one of the most sought out guest posers up until he retired...making money and SAVING it are two different things.
Lots of guys made huge money back min the day, only to blow it on material things and end up broke (Paul Dillet, Flex Wheeler, etc.)
Best example for what Bob is saying is Jeff King. Was in the AAU family and wanted to crossover to the IFBB. never did.
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according to previous posts on this subject
Jeff King never hit it off with Jim Manion
King probably thought NPC would not be around that long - so no need for ass kissing