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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on May 20, 2006, 05:05:17 PM
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From Musclehayem... exact quote...
"BROS CHECK THIS SHIT OUT JUST FOUND OUT THAT SUGAR SHAWNS CHECK BOUNCED ALL THE WAY TO PHIL HEATHS BANK THE PRIZE MONEY THAT PHIL WON IN COLORADO DIDNT CLEAR
THATS ****ED UP
NOW THATS THE ****ING SCOOP"
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this will turn the bodybuilding world on it's ear if it's true.
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this will turn the bodybuilding world on it's ear if it's true.
mayhem is NOT deleting it. Interesting. I don't know if it's true or not. Weird they didn't kill it- instead others are chiming in about it.
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately when it was found out. There is no problem now. The bank people should know that companies have multiple accounts, and that you keep monies in one main account (for interest reasons), and when needed, money sweeps into the accounts. Especially for a $25,000 check. They should know better. (Over $10,000 checks, especially for someone who doesnt get it, sometimes requires special attention). But sometimes, they don't do it correctly. You can beleive that they got in trouble for that, especially since it was an out of state check (Phil in Colorado, Shawn in California). All they needed to do was check for multiple sweep accounts.
Also, rumors that Phil is already a Vyotech athlete is just not true. Negotiating at the moment with a number of companies, as is his choices, and eventually, Phil will do whatever is in his best interest for the future. As for having an AMI contract, yes, that is correct. He renewed that.
I had that situation a few times here in California via a payroll check on newer employees when bank tellers dont do it correctly.
So end of story.
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mayhem is NOT deleting it. Interesting.
yeah if that suck ass brownnosing Massive G leaves it up and even posts in the thread you know it has some legs.
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lol no way I though Shawn was a stand up kind of guy?
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NO way........... :o
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately. There is no problem now.
Yea, that happens a lot. Generally the bank to contact the party if a large amount of money is presented against the account
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Looks like 240s breaking news was once again nothing.
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Looks like 240s breaking news was once again nothing.
So I posted what I said was a rumor about a check not clearing, and Ron confirmed there was a problem with the check.
From Mayhem - who do not like Shawn.
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240 are you getting a tad angry? ;D
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately when it was found out. There is no problem now. The bank people should know that companies have multiple accounts, and that you keep monies in one main account (for interest reasons), and when needed, money sweeps into the accounts. Especially for a $25,000 check. They should know better. (Over $10,000 checks, especially for someone who doesnt get it, sometimes requires special attention). But sometimes, they don't do it correctly. You can beleive that they got in trouble for that, especially since it was an out of state check (Phil in Colorado, Shawn in California). All they needed to do was check for multiple sweep accounts.
I had that situation a few times here in California via a payroll check on newer employees when bank tellers dont do it correctly.
So end of story.
dont say banks should know better ron, that's fiscal recklessness if banks do that
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately when it was found out. There is no problem now. The bank people should know that companies have multiple accounts, and that you keep monies in one main account (for interest reasons), and when needed, money sweeps into the accounts. Especially for a $25,000 check. They should know better. (Over $10,000 checks, especially for someone who doesnt get it, sometimes requires special attention). But sometimes, they don't do it correctly. You can beleive that they got in trouble for that, especially since it was an out of state check (Phil in Colorado, Shawn in California). All they needed to do was check for multiple sweep accounts.
I had that situation a few times here in California via a payroll check on newer employees when bank tellers dont do it correctly.
So end of story.
Thanks for clearing the air, Ron. I was beginning to think, 'WTF!?!?'
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately when it was found out. There is no problem now. The bank people should know that companies have multiple accounts, and that you keep monies in one main account (for interest reasons), and when needed, money sweeps into the accounts. Especially for a $25,000 check. They should know better. (Over $10,000 checks, especially for someone who doesnt get it, sometimes requires special attention). But sometimes, they don't do it correctly. You can beleive that they got in trouble for that, especially since it was an out of state check (Phil in Colorado, Shawn in California). All they needed to do was check for multiple sweep accounts.
I had that situation a few times here in California via a payroll check on newer employees when bank tellers dont do it correctly.
So end of story.
Not end of story. No matter what the money should have been there. As you know in business as you state you DO NOT bounce checks. And with a show there are no multiple accounts. WHY? You get sponsorhsip money in you deposit it. You write checks for no more that is in the account. THAT IS BUSINESS. DO NOT try to sugar coat this. This is very serious. This absolutely is another black eye for the IFBB and their shows, and there promoters. It doesn't not matter if it is cleared up now. It bounced, it's that simple. Wonder if Phil had checks come in for his mortagage, car payment, medical insurance, life insurance, IFBB dues :o and those checks bounced because of these incident. What happened to placing all the prize money into an escrow account prior to granting the sanction. And if that check bounced then how many other smaller checks bounced around town. No matter what this looks bad and is bad. This is a show which accounting is acutally pretty simple. All it does is support everything I said 100%
Ron, you keep defending this and other happenings in the IFBB yet won't support Wayne and the PDI. Wayne had the ethics to not display anything regarding the NOC because of the NY Pro yet the IFBB and their related entities disrespect Wayne and the PDI. WHo needs the other radio stations. I just got off the phone with Wayne and the PDIradio.com will be awesome. All this fuels the PDI. I want to thank you for that.
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From Musclehayem... exact quote...
"BROS CHECK THIS SHIT OUT JUST FOUND OUT THAT SUGAR SHAWNS CHECK BOUNCED ALL THE WAY TO PHIL HEATHS BANK THE PRIZE MONEY THAT PHIL WON IN COLORADO DIDNT CLEAR
THATS ****ED UP
NOW THATS THE ****ING SCOOP"
should have went to amscott ;D
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Not end of story. No matter what the money should have been there. As you know in business as you state you DO NOT bounce checks. And with a show there are no multiple accounts. WHY? You get sponsorhsip money in you deposit it. You write checks for no more that is in the account. THAT IS BUSINESS. DO NOT try to sugar coat this. This is very serious. This absolutely is another black eye for the IFBB and their shows, and there promoters. It doesn't not matter if it is cleared up now. It bounced, it's that simple. Wonder if Phil had checks come in for his mortagage, car payment, medical insurance, life insurance, IFBB dues :o and those checks bounced because of these incident. What happened to placing all the prize money into an escrow account prior to granting the sanction. And if that check bounced then how many other smaller checks bounced around town. No matter what this looks bad and is bad. This is a show which accounting is acutally pretty simple. All it does is support everything I said 100%
Ron, you keep defending this and other happenings in the IFBB yet won't support Wayne and the PDI. Wayne had the ethics to not display anything regarding the NOC because of the NY Pro yet the IFBB and their related entities disrespect Wayne and the PDI. WHo needs the other radio stations. I just got off the phone with Wayne and the PDIradio.com will be awesome. All this fuels the PDI. I want to thank you for that.
Pfft.. another person being enthused by wayne to actively post anti IFBB sentiments here. Any melodrama that exists you guys are here to make big noise about it.
Anybody else feel like this board is suffering because of the tit for tat that is currently going on, like a whole lot of agenda and not much actual honest discussion? Does it feel like honest discussion when you've got numbskulls pretending like a simple bank error is a huge blight on the industry?
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Yea, that happens a lot. Generally the bank to contact the party if a large amount of money is presented against the account
What planet do you guys bank at. First of $25,000 is NOT a big check to write when you are doing a show if this type and you HAVE money in the account. If anything the bank will call the accountholder to verify if he did indeed write the check. I have had that happen before. Or I have actually told my bank that I am writing a check for a large amount to a certain person and give them the check number. Sorry but no excuse. If you have money in the account to cover the check then their is no problem. Simple and to the point.
And, whatever bank is used, I am pretty sure with all those sponsors listed that many deposits were given. Visits to the bank, talking with the tellers, the account rep who opened the account and even an executive at the bank when you are doing something like this show.
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I couldn't care less about either camps, I'm just an impartial observer. I think both sides are talking some serious bullshit and its boring the shit out of me to see the try oh so hard to pop in casual comments like Bob tonight during his mc'ing. Yep, sniping remarks will surely have a huge bearing on who wins the war ::)
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And one more thing ;D Since this is apparently true. Who told who. The only person who would know is Phil Heath since it was his account. In addition, from what I read his account is in California and the bank it was drawn from was in Colorado. So it took multiple days to get from his bank to the issuing bank, why was there no money in there. I could imagine if he went to the local bank on Monday and tried to get cash and they said there was no money in the account to cash his check. Since the Saturday money might not have been deposited. But, then again VYOtech put up the prize money and there should be no reason the check bounced. I can't figure it out. Shouldn't have happened
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Again, enough of the agenda of attacking whomever if something goes wrong. There was an error - it was taken care of. This happens in business. When you run a business, things happen. Have you ever tried to deposit a $25,000 check immediately in your account. You don't know the circumstances. I had one bank tell me they want a 14 day hold on it. I had another say the money isnt there - yet when I callled my friend at that bank, they verified that it was there, but the money was on hold for a day. Lots of factors.
In any case, this is a mute issue. Problem done. Lets get on with the next issue. The attacks must stop. As for Wayne and the PDI, Wayne is more than welcome to post whatever he wishes on whatever. And there would be no attacks the other way either. Fair is fair. All others have stopped the attacks - it is time to discuss issues without the attacks. You owe me lunch anyway.
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onlyme they cant launder money like they did prior to sept 11
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Again, enough of the agenda of attacking whomever if something goes wrong. There was an error - it was taken care of. This happens in business. When you run a business, things happen. Have you ever tried to deposit a $25,000 check immediately in your account. You don't know the circumstances. I had one bank tell me they want a 14 day hold on it. I had another say the money isnt there - yet when I callled my friend at that bank, they verified that it was there, but the money was on hold for a day. Lots of factors.
In any case, this is a mute issue. Problem done. Lets get on with the next issue. The attacks must stop. As for Wayne and the PDI, Wayne is more than welcome to post whatever he wishes on whatever. And there would be no attacks the other way either. Fair is fair. All others have stopped the attacks - it is time to discuss issues without the attacks. You owe me lunch anyway.
Ron, I am not attacking Shawn. I am simply stating that this DOES NOT happen. And there are no circumstances to understand. A check bounced cause their was no money in the account. Simple. How hard is that to understand. Anyway, you are buying the first lunch (expensive) I will buy the second lunch (less than $20 for both of us , buffet). ;D
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Weird that we never hear of any monies being held for any reason until this show. If this was a common thing, wouldn't many have heard of it before? And did the Heath camp leak it? They had to have, right? WHo else would know what happens in Phil's checking account?
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Weird that we never hear of any monies being held for any reason until this show. If this was a common thing, wouldn't many have heard of it before? And did the Heath camp leak it? They had to have, right? WHo else would know what happens in Phil's checking account?
lol. unless he was writing checks for gaudy jewelery on the checks that bounced
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Sounds fishy Ron..
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What planet do you guys bank at. First of $25,000 is NOT a big check to write when you are doing a show if this type and you HAVE money in the account. If anything the bank will call the accountholder to verify if he did indeed write the check. I have had that happen before. Or I have actually told my bank that I am writing a check for a large amount to a certain person and give them the check number. Sorry but no excuse. If you have money in the account to cover the check then their is no problem. Simple and to the point.
And, whatever bank is used, I am pretty sure with all those sponsors listed that many deposits were given. Visits to the bank, talking with the tellers, the account rep who opened the account and even an executive at the bank when you are doing something like this show.
Yes, generally the bank calls the accountholder but the bank apparantly did not and immediately bounced the check. Its the banks fault not Vyo-Tech or Shawn's. There's smoke but there's obviously no fire.
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you really know how to make enemies dont you...
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you really know how to make enemies dont you...
Nah, someone sent me the link from Mayhem and I shared the link as "From the rumor mill". A moderator changed the subject line to the 'check bounced' thing. All I did was share a link. They took the link away and posted the info as my own. Allows them not to mention mayhem, but makes me look like i was starting stuff. I was just sharing the link and seeing if anyone could confirm/deny.
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Yes, generally the bank calls the accountholder but the bank apparantly did not and immediately bounced the check. Its the banks fault not Vyo-Tech or Shawn's. There's smoke but there's obviously no fire.
LMAO... dude you were just as lost as the rest of us on that Mayhem thread, and now you're speaking as fact? NO ONE outisde of Shawn, Phil, VYO accountants and Wachovia (or whatever bank) knows what really happened.
Damn Vince, you used to be an independent mind and now you're regurgutating AMI/Mayhem/IFBB company line to try to involve yourself with the IFBB, after the PDI made it clear your squatted domains were not needed. Sad, man.
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LMAO... dude you were just as lost as the rest of us on that Mayhem thread, and now you're speaking as fact? NO ONE outisde of Shawn, Phil, VYO accountants and Wachovia (or whatever bank) knows what really happened.
Damn Vince, you used to be an independent mind and now you're regurgutating AMI/Mayhem/IFBB company line to try to involve yourself with the IFBB, after the PDI made it clear your squatted domains were not needed. Sad, man.
This issue has nothing to do with the IFBB/AMI/Mayhem company line at all and it does not have anything to do with recently getting a business account with Vyo-Tech and selling their products. This is simply a banking error and it was cleared up very quickly. You don't hear Phil Heath complaining because he's been paid. He's a Vyo-Tech Paid Athlete competing in a Vyo-tech sponsored event. Do you think he's going to be stiffed out of his money??? Get real.
You basically tried to make a mountain out of NO MOLE-HILL.
As far as the domains are concerned, Wayne didn't want the domains so I went to the next buyer. He should have taken the offer as Prodivision.Org is a great domain address and easier to advertise than the other 2 bullshit addresses which are not even linked to begin with.
Whether I have associations with the IFBB, AMI, or NPC or not is none of your business, pro. I am an independant mind however I am a businessman as well and I know the importance of having friends in the industry.
The PDI is a joke because the person who is running it is responsible for all the bullshit that Jim Manion and Chick is now having to clean up. The last Night of Champions was a vile display of trash. Athletes are going to have their careers ended instantly the minute they step on stage. I'm just keeping it real and telling it like it is.
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LOL... vince, you're like the cartoon character that someone should have invented. Looking fwd to your next "big announcement"! Will you be doing nationals, has the magic stick II been discovered, or have you self-appointed yourself as the IFBB bus driver for the 21st centrury? :)
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This issue has nothing to do with the IFBB/AMI/Mayhem company line at all and it does not have anything to do with recently getting a business account with Vyo-Tech and selling their products. This is simply a banking error and it was cleared up very quickly. You don't hear Phil Heath complaining because he's been paid. He's a Vyo-Tech Paid Athlete competing in a Vyo-tech sponsored event. Do you think he's going to be stiffed out of his money??? Get real.
You basically tried to make a mountain out of NO MOLE-HILL.
As far as the domains are concerned, Wayne didn't want the domains so I went to the next buyer. He should have taken the offer as Prodivision.Org is a great domain address and easier to advertise than the other 2 bullshit addresses which are not even linked to begin with.
Whether I have associations with the IFBB, AMI, or NPC or not is none of your business, pro. I am an independant mind however I am a businessman as well and I know the importance of having friends in the industry.
The PDI is a joke because the person who is running it is responsible for all the bullshit that Jim Manion and Chick is now having to clean up. The last Night of Champions was a vile display of trash. Athletes are going to have their careers ended instantly the minute they step on stage. I'm just keeping it real and telling it like it is.
SPEAK THE TRUTH SIR!! CO-SIGN!!!
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Vince is right, the last NOC event was so messed up. It was like you were stuck in a twilight zone. That's the main reason for skepticism against Wayne. If the next NOC is anything like that, the PDI will fall and fall hard!
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The PDI is a joke because the person who is running it is responsible for all the bullshit that Jim Manion and Chick is now having to clean up...
The Weiders are running the PDI??? I knew it!
Athletes are going to have their careers ended instantly the minute they step on stage.
If only you realized how stupid you sound...
You didn't play any sports in school, did you?
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Vince is right, the last NOC event was so messed up. It was like you were stuck in a twilight zone. That's the main reason for skepticism against Wayne. If the next NOC is anything like that, the PDI will fall and fall hard!
Did Wayne run the last NOC that was so messed up?
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There was a problem with the check regarding a sweep account (if you know business, you understand). It was cleared up immediately when it was found out. There is no problem now. The bank people should know that companies have multiple accounts, and that you keep monies in one main account (for interest reasons), and when needed, money sweeps into the accounts. Especially for a $25,000 check. They should know better. (Over $10,000 checks, especially for someone who doesnt get it, sometimes requires special attention). But sometimes, they don't do it correctly. You can beleive that they got in trouble for that, especially since it was an out of state check (Phil in Colorado, Shawn in California). All they needed to do was check for multiple sweep accounts.
Also, rumors that Phil is already a Vyotech athlete is just not true. Negotiating at the moment with a number of companies, as is his choices, and eventually, Phil will do whatever is in his best interest for the future. As for having an AMI contract, yes, that is correct. He renewed that.
I had that situation a few times here in California via a payroll check on newer employees when bank tellers dont do it correctly.
So end of story.
Ummm look at the source of the post Ron. ;) He's just trying to bust Shawn's chops...once again. ::)
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Did Wayne run the last NOC that was so messed up?
Did he not? I thought he did. If not, I have been fooled!
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The PDI is a joke because the person who is running it is responsible for all the bullshit that Jim Manion and Chick is now having to clean up. The last Night of Champions was a vile display of trash. Athletes are going to have their careers ended instantly the minute they step on stage. I'm just keeping it real and telling it like it is.
LOL @ Chick "cleaning up a mess". Chick is plenty good at digging his own holes and making his own messes. Please tell me why the last O was horrible, and this years' will be- by all neutral and even biased accounts- the shabbiest ever. See what they're spending this year compared to 3 years ago. Way less. Mandalay is getting dropped after this year, and they're moving to something smaller in 07. Didn't you get that memo? AMI is moving it to Weinberger to manage. I thought you'd have caught then when rummaging through the IFBB dumpster.
And there is 150k in prize monies available for the PDI pros that do the Sept/Oct shows alone. Huge market in US AND Europe for shows that aren't fixed to go to a big bellied Coleman/Cutler/Gustavo everytime. There's enough money for everyone and really, the athletes will go where their sponsors tell them to go and we're just tossing hot air around anyway.
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Ummm look at the source of the post Ron. ;) He's just trying to bust Shawn's chops...once again. ::)
Cheri, log off getbig and call your kids. Keep my name out your mouth, mmkay?
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Did Wayne run the last NOC that was so messed up?
Yes he did.
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Cheri, log off getbig and call your kids. Keep my name out your mouth, mmkay?
She's right 240, but she didn't make it personal like you just did. Low class, no class.
Yes he did.
I knew I had read somewhere that he did. Thanks for clearing that up Mr. GX! Seeing how I've heard the PDI is going to bring more entertainment, I don't think they are talking about comedians. :-\
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She's right 240, but she didn't make it personal like you just did. Low class, no class.
cheri brings up my life and wife all the time.
and no, there is a truce and i was told not to mention cheri and she won't mention me. And she still takes shots at me all the time. End it cheri. Stop mentioning me and I'll do the same.
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The Weiders are running the PDI??? I knew it!
If only you realized how stupid you sound...
You didn't play any sports in school, did you?
Look what happenned to the people who competed in the WBF. They never won a contest again when they came back
In fact, perhaps you didn't know this 240 or Tre but when they first competed again it was at the Night of Champions and Wayne in fact made them do a humiliating skit in which there was 5 coffins on stage and they basically stepped out of them one by one. Wayne basically was behind them being humilated for defecting to another federation.
Now he's wanting people to defect. That's hypocritical bullshit. If Dan Laurie was starting back his federation it would be different but the person who literally ran the IFBB to the ground. Lee Priest even called Wayne a scumbag on numerous occasions long before I knew who Wayne was. '
That's the facts, Jack
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Seeing how I've heard the PDI is going to bring more entertainment, I don't think they are talking about comedians. :-\
Seriously, PM Rhino, Vinny, Lee, or some of the other PDI athletes and ask them about the live show plans. I'm not going to spoil anyone's show... but from what I've heard, it's going to be quite interesting. Decent budget, effects, sound, pyro, props, and storylines. Once they're online, the posing routines are going to be some interesting downloads for those who miss the show.
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the person who literally ran the IFBB to the ground.
Vince, I respect your argument and I love to discuess this to learn more from everyone.
However, Wayne was working UNDER Manion and Ben Weider for many years. If indeed he was the force HURTING the IFBB, why did they allow it to happen? And since he's left, the O quality has not gone up. Ask CQ or any other loyal Olympia fan. NO ONE will say it has improved. Polite ppl may say "it's just as good", but many people will say it has sucked since moving.
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Yes he did.
Yeah, in fact he had all of his staff put on those Pro-Division Shirts. You know the orginal one that failed
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Cheri, log off getbig and call your kids. Keep my name out your mouth, mmkay?
Awwwwww did I hit a little nerve in your massive 205lb body Rob?
Question...since you love bringing my kids into any little tif you have with me... Please explain to all the getbiggers about your marriage or lack there of? How is it you post continuously from about 10am to 4am every day with a teeny tiny break at 1pm (you claim it is your gym time while the rest of us work - those are your words) and I assume you must sleep during the 6 hours you are not posting....where do find time for your blow-up doll wife? And she's been pregnant now for like ummmm 10 months now, when are you finally going to Toys-R-Us to pick up the baby?
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Yeah, in fact he had all of his staff put on those Pro-Division Shirts. You know the orginal one that failed
Vince, how much money do the pros NOT named Coleman, Cutler, Gustavo, or Dexter stand to earn in IFBB shows this year? Compare that to the PDI monies available and you'll be surprised to see the PDI is very competitive in terms of wages. Plus, it DOUBLES the chance to make money. If you're anti-PDI, you're anti-athlete, IMO, as you're basically shitting on their ability to earn 150k EXTRA this fall :(
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cheri brings up my life and wife all the time.
and no, there is a truce and i was told not to mention cheri and she won't mention me. And she still takes shots at me all the time. End it cheri. Stop mentioning me and I'll do the same.
I'm glad we don't have that truce. :)
Seriously, PM Rhino, Vinny, Lee, or some of the other PDI athletes and ask them about the live show plans. I'm not going to spoil anyone's show... but from what I've heard, it's going to be quite interesting. Decent budget, effects, sound, pyro, props, and storylines. Once they're online, the posing routines are going to be some interesting downloads for those who miss the show.
I'm sure I'll watch to see what happens, but like I said if it's anything close to the last display at the NOC, Wayne will be slammed in the magazines. Muscular Development maybe the only magazine to save Wayne, but IMO, all the mags are crap. MD ran pictures of the NOC and included the one of the kid onstage with that stripper cop lady. Too sickening.
All in all, I think Wayne is a loose cannon with bad aim.
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Question...since you love bringing my kids into any little tif you have with me... Please explain to all the getbiggers about your marriage or lack there of? How is it you post continuously from about 10am to 4am every day with a teeny tiny break at 1pm (you claim it is your gym time while the rest of us work - those are your words) and I assume you must sleep during the 6 hours you are not posting....where do find time for your blow-up doll wife? And she's been pregnant now for like ummmm 10 months now, when are you finally going to Toys-R-Us to pick up the baby?
You're right. It's all a lie. No wife, no baby on the way. I sleep in Ron's guesthouse and he lets me sleep 4 hours a day. Thanks for the great undercover work! Can we resume the truce now? Cheri, you keep bringing my name back up, and Ron told me to not mention you and you wouldn't mention me. Yet you keep chiming in.
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Question...since you love bringing my kids into any little tif you have with me...
Leave the kids out of it...
...or I'll pull the plug on the whole goddamn thing.
That is all.
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You're right. It's all a lie. No wife, no baby on the way. I sleep in Ron's guesthouse and he lets me sleep 4 hours a day. Thanks for the great undercover work! Can we resume the truce now? Cheri, you keep bringing my name back up, and Ron told me to not mention you and you wouldn't mention me. Yet you keep chiming in.
You do kind of give off that internet weirdo vibe.
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this does not have anything to do with recently getting a business account with Vyo-Tech and selling their products.
Ron wouldn't take your money?
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You're right. It's all a lie. No wife, no baby on the way. I sleep in Ron's guesthouse and he lets me sleep 4 hours a day. Thanks for the great undercover work! Can we resume the truce now? Cheri, you keep bringing my name back up, and Ron told me to not mention you and you wouldn't mention me. Yet you keep chiming in.
I believe it was you who brought personal issues into it Rob. I just said look at the source that you were looking to bust Shawn's chops. Is that not true? It was not an attack on your family. You brought my children into like the man you are, and therefore I brought your wife into it (even though there is no way in hell you could be married. And I don't say that out of hatred for you 240 or sheer delight, I say it because there is NO woman on this earth that would allow her husband to spend as much time on getbig as you do...especially if she was pregnant.) SO yes, I 100% believe you are lying about being married and having a child. I know you are not living anywhere near Ron so that is just you trying to play off the other. As far as a truce, never. You act like you know all Rob and you know nothing. 10% of anything is all you have to write about, the other 90% is purely fictional. The only postive thing I can say about you is that you are getting better with your web design, and so you should, you have enough time to spend on it.
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Vince, I respect your argument and I love to discuess this to learn more from everyone.
However, Wayne was working UNDER Manion and Ben Weider for many years. If indeed he was the force HURTING the IFBB, why did they allow it to happen? And since he's left, the O quality has not gone up. Ask CQ or any other loyal Olympia fan. NO ONE will say it has improved. Polite ppl may say "it's just as good", but many people will say it has sucked since moving.
Jim Manion was the NPC Chairman at the time, Rob..... ::)
Wayne was responsible for Mr O shows and other events. Wayne is the person who is responsible. Wayne is the person who practically every IFBB pro bodybuilder hates including Lee Priest. Wayne became a multi-millionaire off the backs of those IFBB Pros. Wayne bought acres of wine vineyards because those IFBB bodybuilders. Lee Priest is only putting up with him to get paid because he knows he's not going to have any competition and then when the money runs out, he'll dump Wayne and in term " hop in his racecar and speed off. Maybe you should find some old articles with Lee cursing him under the sun.
Now Jim Manion and Shawn and Chick have done a great job in bringing back dignified bodybuilding to the sport. Look at the last shows. No one with a GH belly won any show. Look at the NY pro show. No Michael Jackson skit and references to having sex with children (Last NOC for your information).
You need to read up before you put up. BTW, pretty tasteless as to what you said to Cheri. Not cool
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Vince, how much money do the pros NOT named Coleman, Cutler, Gustavo, or Dexter stand to earn in IFBB shows this year? Compare that to the PDI monies available and you'll be surprised to see the PDI is very competitive in terms of wages. Plus, it DOUBLES the chance to make money. If you're anti-PDI, you're anti-athlete, IMO, as you're basically shitting on their ability to earn 150k EXTRA this fall :(
240 that remains to be seen. Don't think that Wayne is a saint, and that he always delivered on his promises or made the best moves in promoting a bodybuilding competition. A big mistake by the IFBB was to make him the sole promoter for the Mr. O, while in the 80's the Mr. O promotion was rotated between Wayne & Lorimer/Arnold. Arnold & Lorimer's Olympias in my opinion were always better than Wayne's. But the IFBB made Wayne the sole Mr. O promoter & he made mistakes that screwed the athletes. Prime example was the '98 Olympia in NYC. The Garden was packed, and people came to see bodybuilding finest--not Sinbad the comedian who was horrible as an emcee & was paid $60 grand. Sinbad didn't introduce the competitors (several former Mr.O's did), but just make bullshit jokes after the completion of 3/4 routines. Why did Wayne waste $60 grand on him when that money could have been spread out amongst the 6/7 competitors that didn't make the top 10.
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I believe it was you who brought personal issues into it Rob. I just said look at the source that you were looking to bust Shawn's chops. Is that not true? It was not an attack on your family. You brought my children into like the man you are, and therefore I brought your wife into it (even though there is no way in hell you could be married. And I don't say that out of hatred for you 240 or sheer delight, I say it because there is NO woman on this earth that would allow her husband to spend as much time on getbig as you do...especially if she was pregnant.) SO yes, I 100% believe you are lying about being married and having a child. I know you are not living anywhere near Ron so that is just you trying to play off the other. As far as a truce, never. You act like you know all Rob and you know nothing. 10% of anything is all you have to write about, the other 90% is purely fictional. The only postive thing I can say about you is that you are getting better with your web design, and so you should, you have enough time to spend on it.
Holy SNAP! That was coooollllddd bloooooooodeddd! :-*
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I believe it was you who brought personal issues into it Rob. I just said look at the source that you were looking to bust Shawn's chops. Is that not true? It was not an attack on your family. You brought my children into like the man you are, and therefore I brought your wife into it (even though there is no way in hell you could be married. And I don't say that out of hatred for you 240 or sheer delight, I say it because there is NO woman on this earth that would allow her husband to spend as much time on getbig as you do...especially if she was pregnant.) SO yes, I 100% believe you are lying about being married and having a child. I know you are not living anywhere near Ron so that is just you trying to play off the other. As far as a truce, never. You act like you know all Rob and you know nothing. 10% of anything is all you have to write about, the other 90% is purely fictional. The only postive thing I can say about you is that you are getting better with your web design, and so you should, you have enough time to spend on it.
Lady, please stop following me.
Seriously, in the past you posted all sorts of stuff about my wife and family and stuff you know nothing about. I'm sorry about the kids comment, but you have said so much about my wife and behavior that it's just too much. Not only that, but you've shit all over my work and that's just not cool.
Ron told me to back off, and I have. Can you please just not mention me and I'll do the same? Truce already?
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The Garden was packed, and people came to see bodybuilding finest--not Sinbad the comedian who was horrible as an emcee & was paid $60 grand. Sinbad didn't introduce the competitors (several former Mr.O's did), but just make bullshit jokes after the completion of 3/4 routines.
Sinbad is not funny.
Lady, please stop following me.
Seriously, in the past you posted all sorts of stuff about my wife and family and stuff you know nothing about. I'm sorry about the kids comment, but you have said so much about my wife and behavior that it's just too much. Not only that, but you've shit all over my work and that's just not cool.
Ron told me to back off, and I have. Can you please just not mention me and I'll do the same? Truce already?
240, all she did was make a valid statement. It may have undermined you but she wasn't just throwing up hot air. You took it personal.
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I'm here to learn, Vince. And if the NOC is poorly managed, or the PDI athletes get a raw deal, I'll be straight and honest about it, and I'll challenge Wayne to answer Qs publicly about it. I'm not a company man----- I'm all for competiton. If a 3rd guy decided to start a BBing federation, I'd support that 1000% too. Because it's not about the company- it's about the athletes getting more income and competition opportunities. I'd be very happy if there were 5 or 6 BBing federations. Competition keeps everyone honest.
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Lady, please stop following me.
Seriously, in the past you posted all sorts of stuff about my wife and family and stuff you know nothing about. I'm sorry about the kids comment, but you have said so much about my wife and behavior that it's just too much. Not only that, but you've shit all over my work and that's just not cool.
Ron told me to back off, and I have. Can you please just not mention me and I'll do the same? Truce already?
Following you? Dream on child. This is an open forum, I do my best to stay out of your board outside of a few posts (none of which have been insulting to you) so stfu.
And you are right about knowing nothing about your so called wife and family, so what makes you think you know so much about mine? Loser. ::)
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240, all she did was make a valid statement. It may have undermined you but she wasn't just throwing up hot air. You took it personal.
Yes, but I was silenced after Cheri took shots and called me everything under the sun and shit all over my business. I shut up and dropped it, despite her getting to say all those messed up things about my family.
Then it died. Then this week, it's that lame old pic, it's insults, it's returning again. I try to ignore it, but one-sided truces don't work. It's over.
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Yes, but I was silenced after Cheri took shots and called me everything under the sun and shit all over my business. I shut up and dropped it, despite her getting to say all those messed up things about my family.
Then it died. Then this week, it's that lame old pic, it's insults, it's returning again. I try to ignore it, but one-sided truces don't work. It's over.
I didn't post your picture this time around Rob. Don't put my name on it. >:(
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Following you? Dream on child. This is an open forum, I do my best to stay out of your board outside of a few posts (none of which have been insulting to you) so stfu.
And you are right about knowing nothing about your so called wife and family, so what makes you think you know so much about mine? Loser. ::)
Dude, you posted my pic later week twice that I saw, then posted about me here hating on my business sense. That is following me, despite Ron's wishes that you not. Let it go already.
I don't know, and I don't care about your family, Cheri. Can we end this?
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Following you? Dream on child. This is an open forum, I do my best to stay out of your board outside of a few posts (none of which have been insulting to you) so stfu.
And you are right about knowing nothing about your so called wife and family, so what makes you think you know so much about mine? Loser. ::)
LOL
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I believe it was you who brought personal issues into it Rob. I just said look at the source that you were looking to bust Shawn's chops. Is that not true? It was not an attack on your family. You brought my children into like the man you are, and therefore I brought your wife into it (even though there is no way in hell you could be married. And I don't say that out of hatred for you 240 or sheer delight, I say it because there is NO woman on this earth that would allow her husband to spend as much time on getbig as you do...especially if she was pregnant.) SO yes, I 100% believe you are lying about being married and having a child. I know you are not living anywhere near Ron so that is just you trying to play off the other. As far as a truce, never. You act like you know all Rob and you know nothing. 10% of anything is all you have to write about, the other 90% is purely fictional. The only postive thing I can say about you is that you are getting better with your web design, and so you should, you have enough time to spend on it.
Ouch that's an OWNING!!!!
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I didn't post your picture this time around Rob. Don't put my name on it. >:(
Yes you did. You said "Here's who's in your corner and posted 4 pics, one of them was that lame pic of me." Damn, lady. Let it go. Truce already.
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I didn't post your picture this time around Rob. Don't put my name on it. >:(
If he doesn't want his picture put up, he shouldn't have ever posted them online anyway. Of course, he will never understand that. Some things you just have to let go and accept. Unfortunately 240 takes everything personally since we are his only encounters of public socialization.
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If he doesn't want his picture put up, he shouldn't have ever posted them online anyway. Of course, he will never understand that. Some things you just have to let go and accept. Unfortunately 240 takes everything personally since we are his only encounters of public socialization.
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Yes you did. You said "Here's who's in your corner and posted 4 pics, one of them was that lame pic of me." Damn, lady. Let it go. Truce already.
Maybe you didn't read the words and just only read the pictures (you know kinda like men read Playboy) but I did say it was not an attack on any one person, that it was a general observation " I wasn't really trying to single anyone out, just making a point about the difference in physique types that either give props and appreciate or bash and hate on this board." http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=51475.1725
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Maybe you didn't read the words and just only read the pictures (you know kinda like men read Playboy) but I did say it was not an attack on any one person, that it was a general observation " I wasn't really trying to single anyone out, just making a point about the difference in physique types that either give props and appreciate or bash and hate on this board." http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=51475.1725
Fair enough. But see how I view it. I'm sure you can find an insulting scrawny fat pic of anyone on the web without using one that is of a person with whom ron has ordered a truce, right?
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You are right 240, all 120 lbs of my weakling body.
Dude, who are you and why do you matter again?
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Fair enough. But see how I view it. I'm sure you can find an insulting scrawny fat pic of anyone on the web without using one that is of a person with whom ron has ordered a truce, right?
I wasn't ordered to do anything Rob.
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I'm here to learn, Vince. And if the NOC is poorly managed, or the PDI athletes get a raw deal, I'll be straight and honest about it, and I'll challenge Wayne to answer Qs publicly about it. I'm not a company man----- I'm all for competiton. If a 3rd guy decided to start a BBing federation, I'd support that 1000% too. Because it's not about the company- it's about the athletes getting more income and competition opportunities. I'd be very happy if there were 5 or 6 BBing federations. Competition keeps everyone honest.
What are you talking about??? There are a number of pro bodybuilding federation all other the world. Did you forget about the NABBA where Rhino made his name??? Its a viable competitor to the IFBB and is growing very fast
As far as what if, the truth is that the organization is going to flop and a lot of great bodybuilders are going to have their careers ended. Even if they are let back on-stage in the IFBB or NPC, the judges will always remember those who "turned their back against them" That's the way it is.
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What are you talking about??? There are a number of pro bodybuilding federation all other the world. Did you forget about the NABBA where Rhino made his name??? Its a viable competitor to the IFBB and is growing very fast
Fair enough. Will the NAABA be offering 150k in prize monies this Sept and Oct?
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you're a pain in the ass.
If I don't matter, why does it matter?!
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If I don't matter, why does it matter?!
i just wanted to post a Jessica Alba pic. Focus on what's important here.
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is that a tattoo on her lower back?
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i just wanted to post a Jessica Alba pic. Focus on what's important here.
She needs a toothpick.
is that a tattoo on her lower back?
That's a bullseye!
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Fair enough. Will the NAABA be offering 150k in prize monies this Sept and Oct?
No, but they won't be offering 150,000 pounds of bullshit
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Wait a minute, DID YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES 240!?
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Wait a minute, DID YOU TAKE THOSE PICTURES 240!?
nah, they were posted back on the Y when it was a cool place.
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No, but they won't be offering 150,000 pounds of bullshit
Vince, as a high caliber athlete yourself, why would you hate all over the rights of athletes to compete in another division where they can make good money? If they're not placing in the IFBB, they're not earning any $ in the IFBB.
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Vince, as a high caliber athlete yourself, why would you hate all over the rights of athletes to compete in another division where they can make good money? If they're not placing in the IFBB, they're not earning any $ in the IFBB.
I don't have a problem with fair competition. I have a problem however which an organization ran by a person with no integrity
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I don't have a problem with fair competition. I have a problem however which an organization ran by a person with no integrity
Wayne's reputation of trying to shock doesn't seem too thought out.
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If I had millions of dollar, I would buy Jessica Alba
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I don't have a problem with fair competition. I have a problem however which an organization ran by a person with no integrity
Please list exactly why you make the claim that Wayne DeMilia has no integrity. I don't want to hear quotes from pissed off athletes after placing low. I want to hear proof Wayne has no integrity.
Also, since you have posted 3 or 4 big hoaxes on getbig this year intended to confuse and mislead people, how would you rate your own integrity, Vince?
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Please list exactly why you make the claim that Wayne DeMilia has no integrity. I don't want to hear quotes from pissed off athletes after placing low. I want to hear proof Wayne has no integrity.
Also, since you have posted 3 or 4 big hoaxes on getbig this year intended to confuse and mislead people, how would you rate your own integrity, Vince?
Someone needs to post the pic of the kid onstage at the last NOC. Proof right there.
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Please list exactly why you make the claim that Wayne DeMilia has no integrity. I don't want to hear quotes from pissed off athletes after placing low. I want to hear proof Wayne has no integrity.
Also, since you have posted 3 or 4 big hoaxes on getbig this year intended to confuse and mislead people, how would you rate your own integrity, Vince?
I would make a list but I don't think I'll want to write a novel anytime soon but if I was to begin with something it would be the last NOC show he did. And if you speak to the athletes, you'll find out that's its beyond contest placings.
As far as the hoaxes are concerned they have nothing to do with my integrity. I like to have fun around here like everyone else. I would base it upon the company I own and operate. I insure that my customers get the realest shit legally available as well as one of few people that still supply the good old fashioned classic bodybuilding supplements. The stuff that built champion physiques. People love buying stuff from me because my products are very unique. I'm not a carbon copy Efitstore, Netrition, DPS, etc store. I'm bulldogging the competition like the Georgetown Hoya's.
My new announcement won't be a hoax and I assure you I plan to unlease "my comeback". I may even put out some of the new pictures if I feel like it. I'm just taking it easy right now.... ;D
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I insure that my customers get the realest shit legally available as well as one of few people that still supply the good old fashioned classic bodybuilding supplements. The stuff that built champion physiques. People love buying stuff from me because my products are very unique. I'm not a carbon copy Efitstore, Netrition, DPS, etc store. I'm bulldogging the competition like the Georgetown Hoya's.
Which champion's physiques were built through the use of your products? Are you just using an old catch phrase, or can you back up your claims with proof?
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Which champion's physiques were built through the use of your products? Are you just using an old catch phrase, or can you back up your claims with proof?
Geez 240...Why must you set yourself up?
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Which champion's physiques were built through the use of your products? Are you just using an old catch phrase, or can you back up your claims with proof?
Arnold, Franco, Zane, Draper, Reeves and many others used Milk & Egg Protein Powder, Liver Tablets, Brewers Yeast, Knox Gelatin etc to built great physiques. That's what I'm referring too.
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Arnold, Franco, Zane, Draper, Reeves and many others used Milk & Egg Protein Powder, Liver Tablets, Brewers Yeast, Knox Gelatin etc to built great physiques. That's what I'm referring too.
Vince, what % of Arnold's success would you attribute to the use of knox gelatin and brewer's yeast?
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What are you talking about??? There are a number of pro bodybuilding federation all other the world. Did you forget about the NABBA where Rhino made his name??? Its a viable competitor to the IFBB and is growing very fast
You really do need to shut up, listen, and learn a few things before opening your fool mouth again.
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All right guys lets cool it already no need for anyone to get upset, it summertime, the sun is shining and the girls are looking pretty so why are we getting caught up in this crap? everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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You really do need to shut up, listen, and learn a few things before opening your fool mouth again.
Kiss my left asscheek, clown. The NABBA is big worldwide, just not big in the US but it will be soon. Give it some time
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Kiss my left asscheek, clown. The NABBA is big worldwide, just not big in the US but it will be soon. Give it some time
Which would you say is bigger:
NAABLA winnings in Sept/Oct of 2006 (??)
OR
PDI winnings in Sept/Oct of 2006 ($150,000)?
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I'm just keeping it real and telling it like it is.
Why on earth you keep saying this is beyond me?? do you really believe that is what you are doing? What do you think the majority of people on here are doing when they tell you not to embarass yourself by getting on the stage again? wake up ffs!