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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Sir William Idol on May 23, 2006, 11:13:55 AM
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Id go with Jones...better structure
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I'd say Richard. Wasnt he the guy with the greatest genetics since Flex and who would be the second coming of Shawn. Now... it's Phil. Who is coming up in the amateurs with a small waist.... so he'll be the next super genetic bber in 2007. Complete over kill with the genetics stuff in bbing! Let the judges make the call.
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I am not getting into that ! both of them are great
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Jones lacks hamstrings and calves though wider, Heath has a more complete looking physique with even better shape. If they both nail they're conditioning it'll be Heath by a wide margin. If Jones is a bit off he'd get hammered, if Heath is a bit off he'd still win though by a slightly smaller margin. Heath is more complete and don't forget ladies and gents:
NOTHING STOPS THE HEATH!
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I am not getting into that ! both of them are great
i agree................... ....
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i agree................... ....
Fair enough but then how many Pro Shows has Jones won? What are his TOTAL wins... I can't quite remember... Now then how many has Heath won? He's only competed in two... he won the two... 2 for 2? No... well maybe... say, should contest wins be used to judge how good a bodybuilder is or should we use that other method?
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Fair enough but then how many Pro Shows has Jones won? What are his TOTAL wins... I can't quite remember... Now then how many has Heath won? He's only competed in two... he won the two... 2 for 2? No... well maybe... say, should contest wins be used to judge how good a bodybuilder is or should we use that other method?
what pro shows did jones compete in?
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That's kinda tough......I'll say this much: both of their physiques would be on my top 5 of what I would like to attain.
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jones missed his mark at the ironman and i havent been able to find any olympia pics where he got 18th...but at the ironman he was right up there with charles as heath has been in his first two contests.....however charles at the 2004 ironman looked pretty tight.
yes, jones does need bigger hams for sure though. jones and heath have two very similar physiques and it'd be cool to see them both compared when they're each at 100%
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jones missed his mark at the ironman and i havent been able to find any olympia pics where he got 18th...but at the ironman he was right up there with charles as heath has been in his first two contests.....however charles at the 2004 ironman looked pretty tight.
yes, jones does need bigger hams for sure though. jones and heath have two very similar physiques and it'd be cool to see them both compared when they're each at 100%
Jones never competed at the ironman
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right, NOC, my bad
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Phil Heath
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Can anyone give an honest answer to where Richard Jones is anyways?
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I am not getting into that ! both of them are great
I agree. They are the most aesthetic pros there are nowadays!
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Jones all the way...
Better structure, waist smaller, better V taper, and more flow to his physique ...Not a critique to Heat, he is great and very symetrical, just that Jones is better on that IMHO...
Now, Heat seems to have more mass and he hit his condition right on the mark, something Jones didnt do in his Pro shows...
But there is one photo of Joneīs back ( i think its from a NPC contest?) its maybe the most awesome photo of someone just standing there, without doing any pose....His condition was just crazy (holy chrismas tree!!!)
Someone might know what photo im talking about...
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RJ trains MMA and sports the G27, the most efficient pocket rocket known to man.
Heath can dunk a basketball.
Who would be the last man standing? Depends on the game.
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Amazing indeed!
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tiny legs but a nice guy.
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tiny legs but a nice guy.
Tiny legs??? ??? Pleeeaassee! Don't be tripping, Sarcasm
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Gosh...Both of them are my favorites...
Heath is likethe second coming of Wheeler while Jones was/is the second coming of Ray who is my favorite bodybuilder of all time.
That back pic of Jones is crazy!
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Holy shit! Jones' back is crazy! Dryyyyyyy!!!
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find me a better pic than this and ill say Heath, until then................
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jones has a better physique imo,,,but heath competed as a pro in better condition...someone should compare their pics from the contests they won their pro cards from.
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jones has a better physique imo,,,but heath competed as a pro in better condition...someone should compare their pics from the contests they won their pro cards from.
Here is the one from 2003 NPC where he competed at 198 and won Light Heavyweight 1st and Overall. I believe it was only his second show and he won in the same class 1st and Overall at the NPC a year prior to that. He is a bit shorter than Phil. Not sure what weight Phil competed at when he won his 1st show.
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and talking about symetry...
there is something a little 'strange' in Heatīs left (his right) ??? Maybe a little smaller...something like a little tear, similar to what Levrone had (that line going into the chest)
(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/indiv/images/FDBE0156.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/indiv/images/FDBE0157.jpg)
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and talking about symetry...
there is something a little 'strange' in Heatīs left (his right) ??? Maybe a little smaller...something like a little tear, similar to what Levrone had (that line going into the chest)
(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/indiv/images/FDBE0156.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/indiv/images/FDBE0157.jpg)
not noticable enough to be distracting or make a difference.....probably just genetic size imbalance
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As far as those neg comments from some on his placement at the 2004 NOC, I think he held his own and brought in a much more improved physique from a year before. RJ has awesome arms and his chest is greatly developed, even if he is lacking in the hams department (which he is himself awere of and has been working on to improve). On top of that, his waist's got to be around 27 and his V-Shape has been/can only be compared to Flex's and Shawn's. Phil imo resembles RJ in many ways. When RJ comes back this year, I would bet he will be bringing his physique about 5-7 lbs heavier competing at around 218-220 maybe?? He's conditioning has always been great. So if these two were to step on stage together, it is sure going to be an extremely interesting event as both guys are equally awesome!
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Jones has better lines....besides legs where i think heath has him....i think as far as shape ......richard's upper body looks more balance
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Jones....
easy...
heath is not balanced arms are too big.... for his chest....
a la flex wheeler...
people always get blinded by big arms...and most times are big because of other lacking body parts... eg levrone flex... lee lack in the chest department..
same with heath
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I like RJ's overall look better, in fact i would say he has one of my favorite structures in pro BBing. Either way we won't know for sure until they both compete against each other (It's that close of a call).
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The thing is, there is always a trait for every bodybuilder that sets them apart from one another.
Arnold...chest and arms
Paul Demayo....legs
Lee Haney...back and chest
The thing I love about Phil's physique and Jone is how majestic and incredible they look.
I have to say for a rookie, Phil's conditioning is amazing. He is light years ahead of many pros that have been in the game for so long. His determination and work ethic are paying off. You know he has been training his butt off!!
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Heath has the size advantage and Jones has a bit better shape. Heath has 2 pro wins beating guys that beat jones. ie Darrem.
In a perfect world, jones with 15-20 pounds....? DONE!
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Richard Jones all the way
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In a perfect world, jones with 15-20 pounds....? DONE!
This man is correct
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Heath would kill Jones. Heath won back to back pro shows!!! Heath beats Jones on conditioning and legs, their upper bodies are equal. Jones has won nothing professionally and prolly never will.
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Heath would kill Jones. Heath won back to back pro shows!!! Heath beats Jones on conditioning and legs, their upper bodies are equal. Jones has won nothing professionally and prolly never will.
i agree 100%, a lot of people were talking jones up to be a huge threat when he won his pro card but unfortunately he is yet another rookie who has not managed to make any impact
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Heath would kill Jones. Heath won back to back pro shows!!! Heath beats Jones on conditioning and legs, their upper bodies are equal. Jones has won nothing professionally and prolly never will.
I'm glad to see another board member that sees the light of day. Jones is a non-issue. Heath is the future.
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what pro shows did jones compete in?
Two, just like Heath:
2004
Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 18th
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Its really hard to say because either one looks like what a bodybuilding champion should look like.
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Jones is wider and has better taper while Heath's chest is thicker and better arms
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the fact is nobody has seen Richard since the Olympia so who knows if he has been able to add the desired mass to his legs? If he ever steps onstage again im sure we will all be astounded. One thing is for sure, he will never have a worse showing than Federov. What an overkill of hype!
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I think Richard Jones has an overall better look than Heath. The one thing that separates them is width. Jones is wide naturally. Heath will have to work a couple more years for it. You have it or you dont i.e Flex Wheeler. Can anyone on this whole message answer the question, WHERE IS RICHARD JONES? Those clown on pro bbradio didnt even know.
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he sure likes to mad-dog himself in the mirror....but still nowhere near as intimidating as david henry
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1. Jones is wide naturally.
2. Heath will have to work a couple more years for it.
3. You have it or you dont i.e Flex Wheeler.
im confused
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I think Richard Jones has an overall better look than Heath. The one thing that separates them is width. Jones is wide naturally. Heath will have to work a couple more years for it. You have it or you dont i.e Flex Wheeler. Can anyone on this whole message answer the question, WHERE IS RICHARD JONES? Those clown on pro bbradio didnt even know.
He is planned a comeback sometime in the near future. :)