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We all know Bob C. is the athletes rep. for the IFBB. I feel that the person being the rep. for IFBB bb'ers shouldn't be a presently competing bb'er or promoter as imo it creates a conflict of interest or what can be percieved to be one a la Bob C. getting this very thing thrown at him quite often.
Who, in the opinion of getbiggers then, should be the rep. for the athletes in the IFBB? IMO a great rep. for the IFBB bb'ers would be the Myth himself Sergio Oliva!He's retired from competing, knows what its like to have been a competitive bb'er & is not scared to say it like it is in regards to the IFBB. Other ppl. here give their preference if possible & reasons why.
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IFBB Athletes Rep should be
1) Someone who looks out for the IFBB Athletes.
2) Someone who has been an IFBB pro competitor, or retired, because they know it it takes.
3) Someone who does not promote an event, because then they are a promoter, not an athlete.
4) Someone who is willing to do this for the love of the sport, doesnt get paid, has to pay
there own way, room, etc.
5) Someone who cares about the IFBB and the growth of the IFBB and it's athletes.
If you don't think Bob is doing a good job, then ask any other IFBB pro who would like to do it. You will find extremely slim pickings on that.
Keep this thread clean and serious!
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Keep this thread clean and serious!
Yes daddy
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How bout Kevin Levrone ??
or Lee Haney
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No 'how abouts'. I don't think either wants to do it.
You need to find someone who wants to be the Athletes Rep for the IFBB, and think of the IFBB athletes. Not the PDI athletes, or any other organization, but the IFBB.
When you find a pro that wants to do it, then there is something there.
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Well if they know the workings of the IFBB, why would they want to even attend to the issue if its all for not ?
Thats like gettin a Democratic Party Ideas Rep for the Republican party..
in that the IFBB makes money of the cattle, i mean athletes..knowing that the only change can happen if you get someone to rally the troops together and do a strike or something..
Classic Marxism
BOURGEOIS = IFBB
PROLETARIANS = Bodybuilders
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How bout Kevin Levrone ??
I hear he's looking for a job :P!!
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Well if they know the workings of the IFBB, why would they want to even attend to the issue if its all for not? Thats like gettin a Democratic Party Ideas Rep for the Republican party.. in that the IFBB makes money of the cattle, i mean athletes.. knowing that the only change can happen if you get someone to rally the troops together and do a strike or something..
Thanks for your enlightened focused post on the IFBB Athletes Rep. According to you, why do anything? Why even compete in the IFBB? Guess what - you don't have to if you don't want to. Go compete in Nabba, the PDI, etc. So back to the question, at this moment, Bob is the best candidate for the IFBB Athlete's Rep position and does it as well as he can. I havent heard any other athlete who wants it.
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Thanks for your enlightened focused post on the IFBB Athletes Rep. According to you, why do anything? Why even compete in the IFBB? Guess what - you don't have to if you don't want to. Go compete in Nabba, the PDI, etc. So back to the question, at this moment, Bob is the best candidate for the IFBB Athlete's Rep position and does it as well as he can. I havent heard any other athlete who wants it.
An athlete rep can only do so much...you need the athletes! Bob has his heart in the right place , but when you have ten guys go to an important meeting, then that tells the IFBB that the athletes dont respect the postion and dont care about thier livelihood enough, if they didnt care to go. Bob is probably as good a rep they can get, but the position seems to hold no power.
So to answer the question.. the best rep is someone that can get all the guys on board...i dont know who that is , but until they strike or protest as a collective whole then they are cattle.
Im not tryin to be a prick, i have for a long time already analyzed institutions that are oppressive in terms of Labor practices..and BB is by far one of the most egrecious of all institutions, and one person can not change that by himself.
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You have to have a starting point. All ideas have to come from one man in the beginning. Will the changes needed occur in Bob's time? Probably not. But the foundation that he is building will be there and hopefully be rallied around and built upon.
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IFBB Athletes Rep should be
1) Someone who looks out for the IFBB Athletes.
2) Someone who has been an IFBB pro competitor, or retired, because they know it it takes.
3) Someone who does not promote an event, because then they are a promoter, not an athlete.
4) Someone who is willing to do this for the love of the sport, doesnt get paid, has to pay
there own way, room, etc.
5) Someone who cares about the IFBB and the growth of the IFBB and it's athletes.
If you don't think Bob is doing a good job, then ask any other IFBB pro who would like to do it. You will find extremely slim pickings on that.
Keep this thread clean and serious!
why wouldnt he be paid? because he automatically is given a pro win?
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"The only hope lies with the Proles" Orwell
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I think that the position of "Athlete's Rep" would be better defined as "Athletes' Liason Officer" or whatever you want to call it in civilian life.
The term "Athletes' Rep" would be more appropriate if the "Rep" was an individual who worked outside of the IFBB and butted heads with them on a more frequent basis without "fear" of losing his/her position.
I think that Bob does a great job under the circumstances but he would be less of a target for criticism if the title was changed to "Liason Person".
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i still don't know what he's done yet as the athlete's rep?
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i still don't know what he's done yet as the athlete's rep?
Thats because you're not a IFBB pro, or follow the progress thats been made the last 2 years...
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Thats because you're not a IFBB pro, or follow the progress thats been made the last 2 years...
Chic not much progress when their is a big controversy on payment of winnings and already one show has been cancelled. How come this has never happened in any other show (where checks have bounced all over the place). I know it was the bank fault (according to you). But the fact is their was no money in the account to begin with to cover the checks. The bank might have made a mistake by not transferring money from another account but why would that be needed. there shoudl have been money in the account. Then the bank wouldn't have had to do or not do anything. Very simple answer but no one will take responsibility. And as the rep you have seen what has happened. You should n't have to wait for anyone to call you. You should step in right now and get things taken care of and punish Sean and the show for not following the rules and make sure all monies are paid to the athletes plus other costs they might have incurred.
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Thats because you're not a IFBB pro
SO that means that you are keeping progress a secret to the fans and not the public?
I guess you have to go to the meetings to find out first hand what progress has been made ....
Here is a pic from the last meeting >>
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There should be multiple reps. How can one guy in CA represent every bber in the world? There are pros in every country. Maybe there should be multiple reps and those are the ones that would meet like twice a year at the O and Arnold.
I mean, how many pros from all over the world want to fly to Vegas to be heard. Multiple reps could represent the attitude of the athletes better...
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BB are some of the dumbest people around, when you get a group of dummies together and have them led by a head dummy then you have cattle. and Joe and ben are the cattle drivers..sad but true, with the exception of a few BB...Dugdale, Rhino, Ray ...most of them can peice together a whole sentence, maybe thats why they cant post on getbig ...hell i bet some of them think only nerds use computers, like branch. The sad thing is that even mexicans can form a union and get thier demands met (Cesar Chavez, United Farmworkers Coalition )... we all know what happens to cattle ..they eventually get slaughtered.
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Ken Jones has a great deal of experience and has expressed interest in the position.
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Ken Jones has a great deal of experience and has expressed interest in the position.
Oh hell no. Kennys got himself more politics than he can handle at this point.
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Interesting that when athletes got screwed at the Toronto Pro, all Bob could do was defend the poor promoter, WInston.
Interesting that when athletes' check bounced, all Bob could do was defend VYOtech.
Is he representing the athletes? Or promoters?
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Oh hell no. Kennys got himself more politics than he can handle at this point.
That guy has a "sideburns into a mustache"! :o Totally awesome! ;D
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Last I knew, the Toronto Pro was cancelled...hard to get screwed at a show that never takes place.
I'm in contact with all the athletes that competed at the Colorado Pro..so far no one has had a problem to look into....
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Thanks, Chick, Great to hear that no checks bounced then and all were paid as planned.
Thanks for clarifying this.
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Chick can only do so much. It really doesnt work without the BB behind him
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Last I knew, the Toronto Pro was cancelled...hard to get screwed at a show that never takes place.
No one got screwed?
What about the guys who bought plane tickets for them and their families, booked hotel rooms, and rearranged their lives to diet and travel to the shows? Some of these guys were not able to get into the US- Dillet for example. Athletes lost tens of thousands of ability to earn that they had counted on.
Kinda weird... I thought you'd be all over the lost income, Bob. Guys lost money on prep and travel costs and got nothing but a "make lemonade, kid" in return.
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No one got screwed?
What about the guys who bought plane tickets for them and their families, booked hotel rooms, and rearranged their lives to diet and travel to the shows? Some of these guys were not able to get into the US- Dillet for example. Athletes lost tens of thousands of ability to earn that they had counted on.
Kinda weird... I thought you'd be all over the lost income, Bob. Guys lost money on prep and travel costs and got nothing but a "make lemonade, kid" in return.
Rob's got a point.
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...and the fans didn't support the show, result: end of show.
Dillet has only himself to blame for his legal problems...
It's never good when a show cancels...but I tried to get support from the athletes to insure they could get reimbursed for just such an situation...they didn't show any interest.
As I've stated a million times...when the Athletes start caring about THEIR careers, money situation, opportunities, etc... we'll begin to make bigger strides...until then, I'm prettymuch a one man band, unfortunately.
You reap what you soe.
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...and the fans didn't support the show, result: end of show.
So the fans were responsible for the Toronto Pro being cancelled, even though tickets were never made available for sale on the website?
Interesting...
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Sales of tickets for all the Toronto Pro's were shitty at best...the area simply does not support a pro show. Some areas are good, some suck...if the fans don't support a show, the promoter cannot continue without taking a huge loss.
If the sponsoring companies don't get a good amount of walk-thru potential buyers of their products...they don't return th next year, as the ROI doesn't justify the expenses/ overhead...simple as that.
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Sales of tickets for all the Toronto Pro's were shitty at best...the area simply does not support a pro show. Some areas are good, some suck...if the fans don't support a show, the promoter cannot continue without taking a huge loss.
If the sponsoring companies don't get a good amount of walk-thru potential buyers of their products...they don't return th next year, as the ROI doesn't justify the expenses/ overhead...simple as that.
how many miles away from toronto was the toronto pro? :)
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how many miles away from toronto was the toronto pro? :)
Too many...
The show didn't fare much better when it WAS in Toronto...
I like Winston a lot, but he's not a good promoter by any means...
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Last I knew, the Toronto Pro was cancelled...hard to get screwed at a show that never takes place.
I'm in contact with all the athletes that competed at the Colorado Pro..so far no one has had a problem to look into....
Look Bob, I for one don't agree with 100% of your ideas, but so what, you are doing your best to make some practical changes for the IFBB pros.
I know that has to be frustrating to you to deal with some morons at times as fans or even other pros.
Some people are like old whores, they just can't ever feel good about who they are, who they screw around with ;D
Ok serious question: You felt that a pro card should be earned ONLY in the open shows, not the masters nationals.
BUT, you did compete and win in restricted to masters pro event didn't you?
I am not trying to bust your balls, just making a point that masters have a place in the pros.
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Sales of tickets for all the Toronto Pro's were shitty at best...
Ticket sales will be shitty when the promoter doesn't have them for sale yet.
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One has nothing to do with the other...
I won a MASTERS Pro title...open to those who fall under the guideline.
If your a pro who happens to fall in the Masters category, so be it...
If your a Masters eligable who happens to win his pro card at the USA/ Nats...God bless you and all the power to ya...
Giving pro cards to Masters national winners....is complete bullshit.
There is a level of achievement one must make in order to obtain a pro card in the IFBB...it's been long established that winning a National title was that hurdle....when we start giving pro cards to "sub-division" winners...the whole credibility issue is challenged.
Whats to stop the over 50, or over 60 winner from wanting HIS pro card?
Bottom line is ....this isn't 3rd grade T-ball, where everyone gets a crack....it's pro sports...bodybuilding in this case. Your either good enough, or you aint...simple as that.
If your good enough to be a pro, your good enough to win a National title.
No other sport in the world does such a thing...why do we?
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Ticket sales will be shitty when the promoter doesn't have them for sale yet.
Explain the other 3 years...
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Bob's trying to take away Jocelyn Pelletier's pro card!! :o
Pssssst..... Bodybuilding is not a sport.
Psssst.......No one gives a fuck what some pussy named Goatboy on a message board thinks.
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One has nothing to do with the other...
I won a MASTERS Pro title...open to those who fall under the guideline.
If your a pro who happens to fall in the Masters category, so be it...
If your a Masters eligable who happens to win his pro card at the USA/ Nats...God bless you and all the power to ya...
Giving pro cards to Masters national winners....is complete bullshit.
There is a level of achievement one must make in order to obtain a pro card in the IFBB...it's been long established that winning a National title was that hurdle....when we start giving pro cards to "sub-division" winners...the whole credibility issue is challenged.
Whats to stop the over 50, or over 60 winner from wanting HIS pro card?
Bottom line is ....this isn't 3rd grade T-ball, where everyone gets a crack....it's pro sports...bodybuilding in this case. Your either good enough, or you aint...simple as that.
If your good enough to be a pro, your good enough to win a National title.
No other sport in the world does such a thing...why do we?
I suspected this would be your comeback. I agree with you in part. I think a pro card from the masters nationals should be good only for masters pro shows. I mean c'mon ya gotta admit that Jeffers looked damn good as did Johnny Stewart. Look, I see your point , but having those other masters champs in the line up that turned pro via the masters nationals helped the line up even if you did clearly win.
Plus ya gotta give us over the hill, never was, old farts a delusional dream that we can get a pro card too, even at 50 ;) Plus, ya gotta admit bodybuilding is pretty unique..... :D Ok if a guy like me can get all wacky and think they have a shot at being a pro, maybe they should prevent anyone from even THINKING that for the dignity of the sport ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Hey if Peltier can be on a pro stage, well, what harm is it......
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Explain the other 3 years...
Explain the IFBB's decision to grant him a 2006 show based upon these numbers.
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Explain the IFBB's decision to grant him a 2006 show based upon these numbers.
Got me by the balls.
not my dept. unfortunately...
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I suspected this would be your comeback. I agree with you in part. I think a pro card from the masters nationals should be good only for masters pro shows. I mean c'mon ya gotta admit that Jeffers looked damn good as did Johnny Stewart. Look, I see your point , but having those other masters champs in the line up that turned pro via the masters nationals helped the line up even if you did clearly win.
Plus ya gotta give us over the hill, never was, old farts a delusional dream that we can get a pro card too, even at 50 ;) Plus, ya gotta admit bodybuilding is pretty unique..... :D Ok if a guy like me can get all wacky and think they have a shot at being a pro, maybe they should prevent anyone from even THINKING that for the dignity of the sport ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Hey if Peltier can be on a pro stage, well, what harm is it......
Exactly what I'm trying to prevent...giving hope to 50-60 year old guys, and dandgling the carrot in front of them to take un-neccesary risks with their health to obtain a lifelong dream of standing on a IFBB stage...
Does Don Youngblood ring a bell??
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Exactly what I'm trying to prevent...giving hope to 50-60 year old guys, and dandgling the carrot in front of them to take un-neccesary risks with their health to obtain a lifelong dream of standing on a IFBB stage...
Does Don Youngblood ring a bell??
Are you saying the sport of BBing is dangerous, Bob?
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It's certainlly MORE dangerous to a 50-60 year old, isn't it?
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It's certainlly MORE dangerous to a 50-60 year old, isn't it?
i hope baby Hercules gets off it soon before it messes with his internals
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Exactly what I'm trying to prevent...giving hope to 50-60 year old guys, and dandgling the carrot in front of them to take un-neccesary risks with their health to obtain a lifelong dream of standing on a IFBB stage...
Does Don Youngblood ring a bell??
In the words of Bill Clinton , " I feel your pain on this". ;)I know, and can accept that you want a pro card to carry prestige, fair enough.
On a personal note, I knew years ago I didn't quite have the right/ideal "look" on stage to go pro no matter what I did. Thus, I never pushed the drug envelope, never had the temptation. I had some renewed hope when the Team U was formed , but same issue, not the ideal look drugs or not.
However even if I was in my prime with ideal genetics, I still would not do what it took to go for a pro card.
I love bodybuilding as you well know , but I make my living as a teacher. Even if I had the talent I couldn't risk the LEGAL stuff involved (drugs) for fear of losing my teaching certificate.
THAT has always been my main gripe with drug use being uncontrolled in elite level bodybuilding. I don't think a guy should be prevented from useing roids,but sadly the federal law does not agree and the reality is different. Why be forced to risk breaking the law just to compete fairly???Sorry to bring this up, but it is an obvious dilemma is it not?
Howard
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You're like Arvilla on (more) steroids. ::)
T3rvilla is not here for praise, and Bob doesn't care what strangers think.
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There should be multiple reps. How can one guy in CA represent every bber in the world? There are pros in every country. Maybe there should be multiple reps and those are the ones that would meet like twice a year at the O and Arnold.
I mean, how many pros from all over the world want to fly to Vegas to be heard. Multiple reps could represent the attitude of the athletes better...
are you trying to imply that no one gives a shit about ifbb pro's outside the US, including the ifbb?
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Jim Manion makes NPC fees off of those 50-60 year old fools. I'd be willing to bet the Master's division of the NPC makes him a pretty penny.
As long as that's true, he will never let you get rid of the carrot that pushes it along.
you're a pussy named Goatboy, what do you know?
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One has nothing to do with the other...
I won a MASTERS Pro title...open to those who fall under the guideline.
If your a pro who happens to fall in the Masters category, so be it...
If your a Masters eligable who happens to win his pro card at the USA/ Nats...God bless you and all the power to ya...
Giving pro cards to Masters national winners....is complete bullshit.
There is a level of achievement one must make in order to obtain a pro card in the IFBB...it's been long established that winning a National title was that hurdle....when we start giving pro cards to "sub-division" winners...the whole credibility issue is challenged.
Whats to stop the over 50, or over 60 winner from wanting HIS pro card?
Bottom line is ....this isn't 3rd grade T-ball, where everyone gets a crack....it's pro sports...bodybuilding in this case. Your either good enough, or you aint...simple as that.
If your good enough to be a pro, your good enough to win a National title.
No other sport in the world does such a thing...why do we?
100% agree with the narcsist for a change ;)
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I don't see why the IFBB athletes rep is relavant to anyone up here.
The IFBB rep only works for the IFBB pro bodybuilders. If you're not an IFBB pro then you're not relevant
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2 points that I differ with BOB about. Before it was a pro qualifier lots of guys in the masters nationals were already pushing the envelope.
If Chic wants to make getting a pro card as something with a lot of prestidge, I agree with that.
BUT, why have a guy win his pro card as a bantam or LT wt but then have no shot in the pros?
I also think that the LEGAL risks with drugs are the main issue, not age or health, sorry.
Howard
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Vince.... I'm really trying to limit the "baseless attacks" lately, but if you're gonna continue to make posts as st00pid as this one, you're gonna force me to post your Mertolina pics again. ::)
I like Vince based on what I read and many do crack on the guy needlessly.
However, Goatboy has now owned him in this thread with this last Metrolina crack, sorry Vince
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The IFBB rep only works for the IFBB pro bodybuilders. If you're not an IFBB pro then you're not relevant
Those of us who make a living working with athletes can benefit ourselves by holding the IFBB Rep accountable for his actions. He affects the ability of my clients and potential to make money, which they might use for a website or website upgrade.
When Bob plays IFBB mouthpiece, he messes with pro BBers ability to earn money, and my ability to earn money from them. So I think I do help them out a bit by exposing their rep as selfish or dishonest when his actions can be analyzied to demosntrate these traits.
Word to your titties, Vince.
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Those of us who make a living working with athletes can benefit ourselves by holding the IFBB Rep accountable for his actions. He affects the ability of my clients and potential to make money, which they might use for a website or website upgrade.
When Bob plays IFBB mouthpiece, he messes with pro BBers ability to earn money, and my ability to earn money from them. So I think I do help them out a bit by exposing their rep as selfish or dishonest when his actions can be analyzied to demosntrate these traits.
Word to your titties, Vince.
Ok, ok but 240, what do you think of my rational and logic that guy now has to risk breaking the federal drug laws just to be on a level playing field at any NPC pro qualifier?
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Ok, ok but 240, what do you think of my rational and logic that guy now has to risk breaking the federal drug laws just to be on a level playing field at any NPC pro qualifier?
Oh, it's a messed up system but nothing is going to change, period. Gear is harder to get now, so the guys with better supply chains will do better at shows. Nobody is going to see a show where the guys are natural. Sad, but true and by choice.
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Laws suck. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, I have no problem breaking laws. Why are "laws" such a hang-up for you, Howard?
It is NOT peresonal , seriously it is policy. I neverr said I was against drug use nor do I think it should be illegal, etc.
However, if I was serious and had the genetics for a pro card the FACT is I would have to risk breaking the law in the process. tell me that is "no big deal" of you are standing before a judge. ???
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I don't see why the IFBB athletes rep is relavant to anyone up here.
The IFBB rep only works for the IFBB pro bodybuilders. If you're not an IFBB pro then you're not relevant
none of the shit you post is relevant either, but we still comment on it because we have nothing better to do.
Capisce, Vincenzo?
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Oh, it's a messed up system but nothing is going to change, period. Gear is harder to get now, so the guys with better supply chains will do better at shows. Nobody is going to see a show where the guys are natural. Sad, but true and by choice.
I know it's all screwed up, so just kiss me good night and call it a day you big bull :D :D :D :D
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Explain the IFBB's decision to grant him a 2006 show based upon these numbers.
Simple the IFBB does not care about the numbers. They care that you pay the sanction fee and all the competitors pay their dues. What or why would they give a fuck if a show does well or not. They get their money with no money lost. It's a win win situation for them.
In most industries a company who grants a license (like Gold's Gym) will due extensive due diligence to make sure the proposed Gold's Gym is in an area that will be beneficial for business. Which means they will not grant a license to someone who wants to build a gym in the middle of no where just to make a buck. Most companies are concerned about reputation. The IFBB is worried about the good ole dollar.
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This is untrue...as it does the IFBB no good for a show to tank, thus they get no future revenue. I'm sure they would much prefer a show to be a great success and be paying sanction fee's for many years...
That being said...I've had a long standing opinion that the IFBB would be better served if they put on their OWN shows, for the very reason you outlined...
Call me crazy...but the NFL puts on NFL games...MLB puts on baseball games, NHL, NBA, etc, etc....you don't see games being "promoted" by an individual.
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Those of us who make a living working with athletes can benefit ourselves by holding the IFBB Rep accountable for his actions. He affects the ability of my clients and potential to make money, which they might use for a website or website upgrade.
Consider this as the ideal scenario. All the organisations ban their athletes from competing in any others.
If the top ten bodybuilders were allowed and also chose to compete in let's say the IFBB, PDI and NABBA then only ten men would be making any money?
Now if it was a closed shop, then the ten men in each organisation would be making money = 30.
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Simple the IFBB does not care about the numbers. They care that you pay the sanction fee and all the competitors pay their dues. What or why would they give a f**k if a show does well or not. They get their money with no money lost. It's a win win situation for them.
Without starting another flame war over the PDI, but how are they handling the sanction fees for their shows?
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Without starting another flame war over the PDI, but how are they handling the sanction fees for their shows?
We'll have to wait till sept to find out...
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Well the NOC is Waynes puppy. He is the promoter is he not. So unless he writes himself a check just for the kick of it, then no sanctions fees are paid.
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I don't see why the IFBB athletes rep is relavant to anyone up here.
The IFBB rep only works for the IFBB pro bodybuilders. If you're not an IFBB pro then you're not relevant
You're not a bodybuilder and you're on a bodybuilding board. What the f**k does that make you?
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Well the NOC is Waynes puppy. He is the promoter is he not. So unless he writes himself a check just for the kick of it, then no sanctions fees are paid.
I understand that Wayne does not have to pay himself as the promoter, I'm asking about the shows in Florida and Europe.
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A funny-looking black guy from South Carolina who has tits bigger than most women's?
Well I guess we're all clear on that then ;D
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I don't see how Wayne has thought this through. If he was going to do it, he should already have a set plan and promoting the hell out of it. But he instead is sitting back and doing nothing.
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It's certainlly MORE dangerous to a 50-60 year old, isn't it?
Do you think it's dangerous to a 14 year old?
Do you have a problem with VYO-Tech paying a 14 year old to represent them at a bodybuilding contest?
Do you have a problem with VYO-Tech paying a 14 year old that was force fed steroids and exploited as a 7 year old by his father to represent them at a bodybuilding contest?
Do you think 14 year olds should be buying and using the products VYO-Tech produces?
And lastly, if you're concerned about the health risks of 50 year olds are you also concerned with the health risks to 14 year olds?
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I don't see how Wayne has thought this through. If he was going to do it, he should already have a set plan and promoting the hell out of it. But he instead is sitting back and doing nothing.
Are you kidding! The thing is he has thought this out. Do you know how many trips he has made to Europe and the Orient. Do you know who has flown into New York to meet him. Do you know the sponsors he has and is getting. What promotion does he need right now 5 months or so out from the show. The PDI and NOC is being talked about on every board. FOR FREE! He has big articles in Muscle Mag and Muscular Development. He has ads going in within the next couple months. SO far everything is going EXACTLY (even more) than he expected. He told me hsi timeline months ago and he is sticking to it to the tee. There is absolutely not one reason why he needs to do any promotion this far out. WHy? The costs alone would kill him in advertising. People are talking everyday and that is whathe wants. Good or bad, they are talking.
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talk and all we ever seem to say is blah blah blah ;D
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This is untrue...as it does the IFBB no good for a show to tank, thus they get no future revenue. I'm sure they would much prefer a show to be a great success and be paying sanction fee's for many years...
That being said...I've had a long standing opinion that the IFBB would be better served if they put on their OWN shows, for the very reason you outlined...
Call me crazy...but the NFL puts on NFL games...MLB puts on baseball games, NHL, NBA, etc, etc....you don't see games being "promoted" by an individual.
IFBB shows makes sense to me provided they are in the best locations...but what do i know
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Do you think it's dangerous to a 14 year old?
Do you have a problem with VYO-Tech paying a 14 year old to represent them at a bodybuilding contest?
Do you have a problem with VYO-Tech paying a 14 year old that was force fed steroids and exploited as a 7 year old by his father to represent them at a bodybuilding contest?
Do you think 14 year olds should be buying and using the products VYO-Tech produces?
And lastly, if you're concerned about the health risks of 50 year olds are you also concerned with the health risks to 14 year olds?
Yes, I think AAs would be dangerous to a 14 year old kid...and would never advocate such...
No, I don't have a problem with Vyotech paying him to be at their booth...
No, I have a problem with his FATHER, who was responsible for those actions and should be in jail..
Supplements are supplements...used correctly, they are safe.
Yes, I am...and we don't offer pro cards to teenagers...if we did , I would have an even BIGGER issue with it.
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I hear he's looking for a job :P!!
you heard wrong
are your feelings still hurt because he didn't smile at you when you saw him at the ironman :'( :'( :'(
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Yes, I think AAs would be dangerous to a 14 year old kid...and would never advocate such...
No, I don't have a problem with Vyotech paying him to be at their booth...
Supplements are supplements...used correctly, they are safe.
Bob, do you think 14-year olds should be taking BBing supplements?
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Yes, I think AAs would be dangerous to a 14 year old kid...and would never advocate such...
No, I don't have a problem with Vyotech paying him to be at their booth...
No, I have a problem with his FATHER, who was responsible for those actions and should be in jail..
Supplements are supplements...used correctly, they are safe.
Yes, I am...and we don't offer pro cards to teenagers...if we did , I would have an even BIGGER issue with it.
From this post I'm not quite sure where you stand on 14 year olds buying and ingesting the products VYO-Tech produces.
If you don't have a problem with 14 year olds using VYO-Tech products then I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with them paying him money to represent them.
If you had a 14 year old son would you let him use VYO-Tech products?
My opinion is that VYO-Tech should be no where near a 14 year old, especially that 14 year old. He has been exploited and abused since he was a small child. Morally I don't see how there's any room to disagree with my assessment but hey, I'm just an guy on a message board.
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Bob, do you think 14-year olds should be taking BBing supplements?
Bob's not touching this Q with a ten foot pole. ANother corner he's painted himself into.