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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: onlyme on May 24, 2006, 03:27:14 PM
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It appears that Phil has not been able to cash his check yet from the Colorado Pro. An aquaintance has been trying to post on here about this 3 times with each time getting deleted. The check DID bounce and that to this date it has not been paid. 2 weeks after the show! Why all the lies all the time from the IFBB kiss-asses.
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I emailed Ron and suggested he might want to CONTACT PHIL DIRECTLY for the final word. During the last 24 hours, a few people have contacted me (the resident conspirator) and said that all bank snafus aside, Phil still doesn't have his money. I don't know- or claim to know- what the truth is. But with that Orlando promoter STILL catching flack for what happened over a year ago, I thought this should be resolved and confirmed by phil and/or heath.
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Maybe the idea was to put the money earned from the show into this account.. Then enjoy the profits after all the pros deposit their checks.. One thing.. Don't enjoy the profits first!
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THIS IS THE JOB FOR THE ATHLETES' REP!
If this is true I'm sure that Bob and other IFBB officials are taking the necessary action to get it straightened out.
What is really interesting here though is that it took an "outsider" (someone outside of the BB industry) to get the word out to the rest of us.
Could it be possible that an "insider" could be penalized in some manner if he disclosed these "facts"and .... if these "facts" were in fact true?
It happens often in big business. It's in the paper just about every week.
Go for it , BOB!
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Phil is in California doing a photo shoot for Flex Magazine. Will look into it.
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What happened to the original thread with all the posts?
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Deleted. The question is here. Now we will verify it. I don't need to see tons of posts with all these stories on who and what if the original question is a lie. We will wait until we get verification on it. Simple as that.
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phil, if true you can have the person who issued it arrested.
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Deleted. The question is here. Now we will verify it. I don't need to see tons of posts with all these stories on who and what if the original question is a lie. We will wait until we get verification on it. Simple as that.
I don't remember anything malicious in any of the posts. I don't see why you deleted them.
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Maybe when Shawn kept complaining about the low IM prize money? Has he not heard about the free market and supply and demand? It was never Shawn's right to demand that they increase prize money. If the pros willingly go on stage to win peanuts they have nobody to blame but themselves.
Now that Shawn's contest with increased prize money has resulted in a huge financial loss he may be better aware of the state of the bodybuilding economy.
I'd rather have the $10k cash in my bank account than a $25k IOU from Shawn Ray ;)
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Deleted. The question is here. Now we will verify it. I don't need to see tons of posts with all these stories on who and what if the original question is a lie. We will wait until we get verification on it. Simple as that.
Just ask him if he has received the full amount in his bank yet. He could very easily be manipulated into saying nothing bad about the subjct which would be smart anyway, since causing any flack could result in him getting a black eye within the IFBB. It happens all the time. The guys who cause flack or complain are the ones who get it in the ass in the future.
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As a compromise, how about 15K worth of one-on-one Shawn Ray personal training?
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There's a whole lot of crap going on these days, depending on who you bank with.
Back in the old days, there was always a standard hold on checks that were over a certain amount or which came from out-of-state. It generally took at least 3-4 days for those checks to be paid by the originating bank anyway, so that was fine.
Then, the fine folks who run the ACH network decided that they would start 'clearing' checks almost instantaneously, which meant that folks who made a habit of 'kiting' checks would be in danger of bouncing checks if they didn't change their ways. For check recipients, that was SUPPOSED to be good news, because it meant they'd get paid a lot faster.
Well, not so fast...
Apparently, what a lot of big banks are now doing is putting a hold on all large amounts and that hold time has gone now from 5 business days up to as long as 20 days! Keep in mind that they are delaying funds from being credited to your account, even though they have the money sitting in theirs...collecting YOUR interest.
Furthermore - and this is something that's totally inexcusable - large sum wire transfers are no longer instantaneous either. Depending on your bank, the threshold can be as low as $5000, meaning that anytime you get an amount over that by wire, you'll have to wait until the 3rd or 4th business day to actually access your money, even though the funds cleared into your bank within minutes after being sent.
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Why was IFAST400 (Mike's post) deleted? That was a very interesting side to this. Why was he requiered to have his prize money for the Charlotte Pro in an account 8 months prior to his show. And then the check was issued to the winners from the IFBB. Why didn't the Colorado Prohave to do this. And why would the IFBB issue the check at Mikes show. Where was the money deposited? Hopefully not into an account for the IFBB so they can draw the interest on it instead of Mike. I think this is impratant that the IFBB sets rules yet never abides by them. Why would anyone support this. Beyond me.
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Why was IFAST400 (Mike's post) deleted? That was a very interesting side to this. Why was he requiered to have his prize money for the Charlotte Pro in an account 8 months prior to his show. And then the check was issued to the winners from the IFBB. Why didn't the Colorado Prohave to do this.
:o
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I think the biggest thing might be that VYO was able to pay Heath directly. Mike of Bulk Nutrition was forced to pay the IFBB the money in JANUARY for a show later in the year, and the IFBB issued the winners' check. Mike was told this was REQUIRED.
Why the inconsistent enforcement of policy?????
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is it possible to take legal action
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Why was IFAST400 (Mike's post) deleted? That was a very interesting side to this. Why was he requiered to have his prize money for the Charlotte Pro in an account 8 months prior to his show. And then the check was issued to the winners from the IFBB. Why didn't the Colorado Prohave to do this. And why would the IFBB issue the check at Mikes show. Where was the money deposited? Hopefully not into an account for the IFBB so they can draw the interest on it instead of Mike. I think this is impratant that the IFBB sets rules yet never abides by them. Why would anyone support this. Beyond me.
Of course it was placed in their account to build interest. Quick way to make some extra bucks
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Where's Shawn on this? ???
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Why was IFAST400 (Mike's post) deleted? That was a very interesting side to this. Why was he requiered to have his prize money for the Charlotte Pro in an account 8 months prior to his show. And then the check was issued to the winners from the IFBB. Why didn't the Colorado Prohave to do this. And why would the IFBB issue the check at Mikes show. Where was the money deposited? Hopefully not into an account for the IFBB so they can draw the interest on it instead of Mike. I think this is impratant that the IFBB sets rules yet never abides by them. Why would anyone support this. Beyond me.
Is it possible that Vyotech is a bigger player and sponsor in the industry than Mike??? It could be a Double Standard! Anyway... let us see what Ron gets from Phil on the matter.
PS Ron needs to run ads on this site to generate revenues. User base is too big not to be generating money. Could use the funds to sponsor shows as far as adding prize money.
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Of course it was placed in their account to build interest. Quick way to make some extra bucks
Mike should sue for interest!
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Mike should sue for interest!
Yes, he should sue for interest. Mike's an honest person who plays by the rules and made sure that the show was taken care of and that the prize money was taken care of.
Truthfully, I knew about this 2 days ago but I didn't mention it because I just started selling Vyo-Tech Products and didn't want to get in any trouble. I'm sure there's an explanation behind this
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There's a whole lot of crap going on these days, depending on who you bank with.
Back in the old days, there was always a standard hold on checks that were over a certain amount or which came from out-of-state. It generally took at least 3-4 days for those checks to be paid by the originating bank anyway, so that was fine.
Then, the fine folks who run the ACH network decided that they would start 'clearing' checks almost instantaneously, which meant that folks who made a habit of 'kiting' checks would be in danger of bouncing checks if they didn't change their ways. For check recipients, that was SUPPOSED to be good news, because it meant they'd get paid a lot faster.
Well, not so fast...
Apparently, what a lot of big banks are now doing is putting a hold on all large amounts and that hold time has gone now from 5 business days up to as long as 20 days! Keep in mind that they are delaying funds from being credited to your account, even though they have the money sitting in theirs...collecting YOUR interest.
Furthermore - and this is something that's totally inexcusable - large sum wire transfers are no longer instantaneous either. Depending on your bank, the threshold can be as low as $5000, meaning that anytime you get an amount over that by wire, you'll have to wait until the 3rd or 4th business day to actually access your money, even though the funds cleared into your bank within minutes after being sent.
If I was to win an amount like that I would personally go to the bank on Monday and cash the check. My friend was here had wrestled in an event where he got paid $5,000. The promoter tried to pay him only $2,500. Well my friend who is a HUGE guy convince the promoter to pay him the $5,000. Well one of the associates of the promter came up to us and said you guys better go to the bank first thing tommorrow and cash the check cause she is going to close the account tommorrow. SO we did he got paid and on the way out of the driveway, the promoter drove up and I found out closed the account that morning. Especially checks paid on a local bank and you live somewhere else. The promoter should have gone to the bank with Phil if he requested and personally verified the check.
Also, as we all know Sean must had have made sure everyone in that bank knew who he was. Plus with all the money going throught that bank and that account he should have been pretty well known after 6 months of doing business there. I sure know I was.
No matter what NO check shoudl have bounced and now it appears it is beyond that.
Tre, there were many other checks that bounced too, not just Phils. I know all about having holds put on checks. I live in Hawaii and we are notrious for it, since out of state really means OUT OF STATE. I also know how banking is cause I grew up with it. Which doesn't mean I know all about banking but I do know a little. When their is a show like this which brings in allot of money in a relatively short time and in larges amounts, the depositer can and usually does have a person who will help them personally through many if not all banking issues. I mean I had and still have my bank call me if a check comes in or credit card purchase come through that looks odd or could be posted against funds I may not have, so I can transfer money to cover it.
Also the wire transfer issue is sometimes very funny. I wire money all the time between my Vegas account and here. Sometime allot sometime a little. And it does surprise me that the money isn't instaneous. I have waited a day sometimes but most of the time I can get it by the end of the day depending on when I do it.
NO MATTER WHAT THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED
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Mike should sue for interest!
Banks dont pay crap on $10K as far as interest goes...esp for a couple of months. Have to get a better one than this.
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Banks dont pay crap on $10K as far as interest goes...esp for a couple of months. Have to get a better one than this.
Maybe the athletes should sue for interest, too ::)
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Banks dont pay crap on $10K as far as interest goes...esp for a couple of months. Have to get a better one than this.
At the very least, ppl sue for tbill rates, right? that's 3% or something. Or maybe inflation. I hated finance class. but i think i remember there are flat interest rates for suits like this.
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Don't laugh, it's at least $20 worth of interest.
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At the very least, ppl sue for tbill rates, right? that's 3% or something. Or maybe inflation. I hated finance class. but i think i remember there are flat interest rates for suits like this.
This could be meaningless or meaningful, depending on the time period we are talking about.
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Banks dont pay crap on $10K as far as interest goes...esp for a couple of months. Have to get a better one than this.
It's not $10K is was the total purse. And it was for almost 8 months. And the money goes into the IFBB account which has allot more than $10K or $50K in it. So YES the interest can be something. And NO matter what their is no reason why the money shoudl go into the IFBB account. NONE at all. SImply put it is an escrow account to be released on whatever date. SImple
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Don't laugh, it's at least $20 worth of interest.
In some parts of the world, people kill for $20..
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Don't laugh, it's at least $20 worth of interest.
In some parts of the world, people kill for $20..
Something tells me they aren't on getbig right now..
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It's not $10K is was the total purse. And it was for almost 8 months. And the money goes into the IFBB account which has allot more than $10K or $50K in it. So YES the interest can be something. And NO matter what their is no reason why the money shoudl go into the IFBB account. NONE at all. SImply put it is an escrow account to be released on whatever date. SImple
yeah, 50 grand at 8 months at 3% annual... that's like a grand, right?
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It's not $10K is was the total purse. And it was for almost 8 months. And the money goes into the IFBB account which has allot more than $10K or $50K in it. So YES the interest can be something. And NO matter what their is no reason why the money shoudl go into the IFBB account. NONE at all. SImply put it is an escrow account to be released on whatever date. SImple
Since when has the IFBB said that they will pay interest on money in their accout? ???
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Since when has the IFBB said that they will pay interest on money in their accout? ???
they don't.
but if mike won a suit for 8 months worth of use with $50k that the ifbb took from him in violation of the law, they do.
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they don't.
but if mike won a suit for 8 months worth of use with $50k that the ifbb took from him in violation of the law, they do.
What violation of law are you referring to?
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What violation of law are you referring to?
it'll be hard to prove, as the IFBB has the right to require any contract they want with different promoters. The biggest damage won't be in the courts for that $1000- it'll be in the eyes of all those promoters who read getbig who are now saying "No way in hell am I pre-paying the IFBB for my show, as VYO didn't have to!". As the ifbb is a canadian nonprofit, laws mean squat in this situation and collecting is more trouble than its worth.
They now lose all the interest from monies paid early by other promoters who just learned they don't HAVE TO pre-pay. (if these ppl stand up for themselves).
Vyo/shawn's little paycheck "snafu" just cost the IFBB a lot of trust and goodwill among its promoting partners.
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it'll be hard to prove, as the IFBB has the right to require any contract they want with different promoters. The biggest damage won't be in the courts for that $1000- it'll be in the eyes of all those promoters who read getbig who are now saying "No way in hell am I pre-paying the IFBB for my show, as VYO didn't have to!". As the ifbb is a canadian nonprofit, laws mean squat in this situation and collecting is more trouble than its worth.
They now lose all the interest from monies paid early by other promoters who just learned they don't HAVE TO pre-pay. (if these ppl stand up for themselves).
Vyo/shawn's little paycheck "snafu" just cost the IFBB a lot of trust and goodwill among its promoting partners.
This being bodybuilding, no one will care if malfeasance occured ;D
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haha VYOjoke
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haha VYOjoke
VYObroke.
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25 thousand is really nothing actually
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Am still wondering if Darrem managed to cash his check from his Toronto win few years back..
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This whole situation stinks of rotten fish.
The so called problem with the bank, the supposed letter that Chick posted, Shawn Ray staying as far away as possible and now Ron deleting valid posts, especially the post Keith pointed out from the guy that promoted a show last year and his prize money had to be secured prior to the show.
This whole thing stinks.
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Phil, whatta ya say............Double or nothin on Tamali EVER qualifying for the Olympia?
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Phil, whatta ya say............Double or nothin on Tamali EVER qualifying for the Olympia?
While Phil was sitting there with Shawn I bet he was thinking to himself "this tranny loving fool better not bounce my winner's check".
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Try carrying this thing in the bank, it will take awhile to process! >:(
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Try carrying this thing in the bank, it will take awhile to process! >:(
Especially since there's no money in the bank to cover it.
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Try carrying this thing in the bank, it will take awhile to process! >:(
and wait when it bounce back on ya
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Try carrying this thing in the bank, it will take awhile to process! >:(
Funny post! It just dont end on getbig.
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cutler aesthetics
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Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ???
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Hey Shawn, how's the finances going?
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We're Broke :-\
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We're Broke :-\
Doesn't Phil Heath know it.
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We're Broke :-\
Hahaha word?
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We're Broke :-\
At least you have your health, your height, and your hair!
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I don't think that is Shawn. He wouldn't be making fun of this situation, would he? Even if it wasn't true!
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didnt you fellas read this read: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73340.0
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I don't think that is Shawn. He wouldn't be making fun of this situation, would he? Even if it wasn't true!
I think the only situation is on this board - if there were any snafu's with prize money I think Shawn would make sure it was taken care of properly - he's been one of the loudest voices in the sport as far as prize money issues go.
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Holy Cow,
When Shawn Ray let his mother go to prison for transporting his drugs, I thought he couldnt disgrace himself any worse. But stealing the prize money from his own show...that takes even Shawn to a new low.
There there.. now Shawn is a born again..
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Why was IFAST400 (Mike's post) deleted? That was a very interesting side to this. Why was he requiered to have his prize money for the Charlotte Pro in an account 8 months prior to his show. And then the check was issued to the winners from the IFBB. Why didn't the Colorado Prohave to do this. And why would the IFBB issue the check at Mikes show. Where was the money deposited? Hopefully not into an account for the IFBB so they can draw the interest on it instead of Mike. I think this is impratant that the IFBB sets rules yet never abides by them. Why would anyone support this. Beyond me.
These are interesting points you bring up.
If you're right about the facts, the Athlete's Rep should and will probably put the pressure on the IFBB.
The promotor of a show should always try to cut the best deal possibly for himself.
So this isn't about the CO Pro promotors. But rather the IFBB, and why they didn't (if onlyme is right), have the same procedure as for 1Fast400.
YIP
Zack
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Didnt any of you guys read this read?
Why are you guys blasting Shawn? It was mainly the sponsors who donated the prize money which went out to the winners...stop blaming Shawn
Id like to see you guys comment about this thread that Chick created to show that it was the banks fault not Shawn's: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73340.0
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IFBB Athlete's Rep =
Representative of the IFBB Athletes =
Defender of their rights as athletes, and working in their best interests.
Bob, would you agree?
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WTF is it so hard to stay on topic for some people here?
What the hell does Shawn Ray's personal life has to do with the different treatment of promoters?
The Orlando show got a different treatment, if onlyme is correct.
That is beyond fcuked up.
And yet some people keep bringing Shawn fcuking Ray into this? And his morality?
The question is: how will the Athlete's Rep truly represent Heath in this matter, and how can the Athlete's Rep put pressure on the IFBB to get equality among promotors, or better rules for promotors?
What's the Athlete's Rep take on the whole situation?
Instead of looking at these questions, several of you are just looking to pick internet fights with Chick and Shawn Ray.
Nice fcuking going.
Another wasted thread.
YIP
Zack
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Didnt any of you guys read this read?
Why are you guys blasting Shawn? It was mainly the sponsors who donated the prize money which went out to the winners...stop blaming Shawn
Id like to see you guys comment about this thread that Chick created to show that it was the banks fault not Shawn's: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73340.0
Why was shawn blaming Winston Roberts for the TO Show financial woes then? Was it not the sponsors fault? I'm just asking I don't know the facts here...
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IFBB Athlete's Rep =
Representative of the IFBB Athletes =
Defender of their rights as athletes, and working in their best interests.
Bob, would you agree?
Every fcuking post you make out to Cicherillo is about him being in liason with "the powers that be".
How could you ever get anything constructive out of that?
How about drop the accusations for once, and make suggestions. Look on Cicherillo as a possibility.
Giving him the benefit of a doubt, also opens up for actually making suggestions about improvements for BB, instead of having him concentrate on defending his actions.
YIP
Zack
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As stated earlier...as of this time, Phil has not contacted me as to any problems receiving his money. There was a bank error (as I posted), which they admitted to and took responsibility for...simple as that. For all we know, Phil has cashed he check.
There isn't any money issue with Vyotech, trust me on this one boys...they have the money.LOLOL....
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as of this time, Phil has not contacted me as to any problems receiving his money. There was a bank error (as I posted), which they admitted to and took responsibility for...simple as that. For all we know, Phil has cashed he check.
In which case, this thread is just more unecessary noise and waste of time generated by the usual suspects-for what? :-\
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See fellas...I told you to read Chick's thread regarding the checks....
240 and oly me...you guys make it intersting here but sometimes you guys cause so much drama to some who dont deserve it....
Thanks Chick for clearing this up...
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As stated earlier...as of this time, Phil has not contacted me as to any problems receiving his money. There was a bank error (as I posted), which they admitted to and took responsibility for...simple as that. For all we know, Phil has cashed he check.
There isn't any money issue with Vyotech, trust me on this one boys...they have the money.LOLOL....
Good thing.
An idea for you, something you may or may not have thought of yourself:
Call up promotors of BB shows, and ask for their input on how relations between athletes-promotors-IFBB could be improved.
Try to get some feedback after each show from the promotor. A couple of standard questions would make it even easier to make comparisons between contests, and make evaluations.
Seems like there are some discrepancies in how the promoters are treated by the IFBB, and the Athlete's probably ends up suffering.
Just some ideas,
YIP
Zack
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These are interesting points you bring up.
If you're right about the facts, the Athlete's Rep should and will probably put the pressure on the IFBB.
The promotor of a show should always try to cut the best deal possibly for himself.
So this isn't about the CO Pro promotors. But rather the IFBB, and why they didn't (if onlyme is right), have the same procedure as for 1Fast400.
YIP
Zack
Actually Mike s the one who originally posted it and then Ron deleted it. So those are the facts. Why would the IFBB have different rule for each promoter. How do they expect to keep things on the up and up when rules are written yet never followed. There is NO rhyme or reason for this.
Another question is who is the winner or the Hummer. Now several people have said the winner actually works for one of the sponsors of the show. If indeed he does just work for them, then usually he would be ineligible to win the Hummer. Not to say how bad it looks when one of your sponsors win the grand prize. Also, Phil may not ever complain cause he fears what might happens if he does. It is a fact and the history of the IFBB to punish however severe anyone who crosses their path in a negative manner.
In any case, it has been two weeks since the show. Did everyones check bounce from the NY Pro. Has something like this happened before. Because the way it has been explain now with the bank holding funds and such all kinds of checks should have bounced from other shows.
And the biggest question of all is why wasn't the prize money in escrow or guaranteed. Why didn't VYOtech simply write a check to Heath for the $25,000 since they were the ones who donated that prize. And the other checks to the other competitors are just added fuel to the fire. Why did so many checks bounce at the same time, yet not all the checks bounced. Which means either they came in personally to the bank on Monday and cashed the checks and by the time the other checks were posted their was no more money in the account. As I said before the money they get from live ticket sales is not given to them till a few days after the show as the convention center has to do their accounting and take their cut. But, why was the show relying on just the ticket sale money to cover the prize money. Plus, why were there other checks not even asscoaited with prize money bouncing.
Someone have Columbo's phone number
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See fellas...I told you to read Chick's thread regarding the checks....
240 and oly me...you guys make it intersting here but sometimes you guys cause so much drama to some who dont deserve it....
Thanks Chick for clearing this up...
Hey Stevie Wonder what was cleared up. Still checks have not been cashed. What has been proven here. Here are the facts;
1. NO money in the account when these checks were written
2. 8 out of 10 competitors checks bounced
3. 2 smaller checks bounced probably to people who helped with the show
4. Only a typed written statement by Chic has been posted stating the bank made a mistake
5. NO "actual" document has been seen
6. Each check that bounced caused bank fees to be charged to each persons account (who will pay this $25)
7. Their are possibilites that from some of the bounced checks certain checks in the payees account could have bounced. Meanining possible mortgage payments, medical insurance, car insurance, and others
8. Even if it is the banks fault, at NO time should this have happen cause NO matter what there should have been plenty of money in the account and floating money between accounts should have never had to have happened.
9. It has been two weeks and how many checks are still not paid that have been submitted.
10. A first time promoter received special treatment because he was not required to provide proof of funds to pay the prize money as the IFBB has mandated. But, they have made other promoters deposit money into the IFBB account many months prior to the show. Which is turn earns interest. If this is a common practice of the IFBB, then just how many IFBB shows are paying their sanctions fees and providing the prize money for the IFBB to deposit into their account and draw interest off this money. It could easily reach into the millions of dollars. Considering how much prize money their is plus sanction fees and how many shows there are. S
Something is up in the IFBB village and it appears the village people are getting smarter and now questioning the way the king is ruling his world.
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Im not Stevie Wonder...Im Jermaine Jackson, thank you!!
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Fair enough, Hedge. I do get too negative sometimes.
Bob, what do you think can be done to ensure that promoters are treated equally? Mike Childress had to prepay 8 months in advance, but Vyotech didn't. Doesn't seem fair to me, and it has caused some embarassment for the company as a result.
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Fair enough, Hedge. I do get too negative sometimes.
Bob, what do you think can be done to ensure that promoters are treated equally? Mike Childress had to prepay 8 months in advance, but Vyotech didn't. Doesn't seem fair to me, and it has caused some embarassment for the company as a result.
Calling people on their shit is of course good. Keeps things straight (no offense, Med ;)).
YIP
Zack
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Actually Mike s the one who originally posted it and then Ron deleted it. So those are the facts. Why would the IFBB have different rule for each promoter. How do they expect to keep things on the up and up when rules are written yet never followed. There is NO rhyme or reason for this.
Another question is who is the winner or the Hummer. Now several people have said the winner actually works for one of the sponsors of the show. If indeed he does just work for them, then usually he would be ineligible to win the Hummer. Not to say how bad it looks when one of your sponsors win the grand prize. Also, Phil may not ever complain cause he fears what might happens if he does. It is a fact and the history of the IFBB to punish however severe anyone who crosses their path in a negative manner.
In any case, it has been two weeks since the show. Did everyones check bounce from the NY Pro. Has something like this happened before. Because the way it has been explain now with the bank holding funds and such all kinds of checks should have bounced from other shows.
And the biggest question of all is why wasn't the prize money in escrow or guaranteed. Why didn't VYOtech simply write a check to Heath for the $25,000 since they were the ones who donated that prize. And the other checks to the other competitors are just added fuel to the fire. Why did so many checks bounce at the same time, yet not all the checks bounced. Which means either they came in personally to the bank on Monday and cashed the checks and by the time the other checks were posted their was no more money in the account. As I said before the money they get from live ticket sales is not given to them till a few days after the show as the convention center has to do their accounting and take their cut. But, why was the show relying on just the ticket sale money to cover the prize money. Plus, why were there other checks not even asscoaited with prize money bouncing.
Someone have Columbo's phone number
You mean like Jay Cutler when he allegedly failed the drug test, challenged the IFBB, threatened to sue the IFBB, etc....yeah...they've really stuck it to him since then.
The prize money IS guaranteed as per the Athletes rep's submissions last year which were passed and put into rule.
Vyotech DID write a check to Phil, and the rest of the winners...it was the bank error which held things up. Not a big deal.
ALL the checks in that account bounced because the BANK had some problems...hence, all the checks in THAT account...
Give it a rest already, Keith....
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Bravo Chick!!!
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Bob, what do you think can be done to ensure that promoters are treated equally? Mike Childress had to prepay 8 months in advance, but Vyotech didn't. Doesn't seem fair to me, and it has caused some embarassment for the company as a result.
My guess is that Bob will let his hatred for me blind him from answering this question, which is fair and positive. Bob, do you think a motion to ensure public release of information on funds being issued to the IFBB in advance for all athlete prize monies is needed? Mike Childress should be able to SEE that VYO is paying the same money he is, the same 8 months in advance. Would eliminate these PR black eyes, and would keep things fair between promoters- IE, not give one an advantage over another.
Also, what ever happened with the Winston deposit for the Toronto Pro? HE cancelled a month before the show was supposed to happen. Did he give his deposit to the IFBB seven months before that, as Mike was told he had to? If so, where did that money go. If not, why didn't he have to make that deposit, even with his record for cancelling a show. thanks!
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Onlyme...you need to read this thread: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73340.0
It has the bank's apology
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You mean like Jay Cutler when he allegedly failed the drug test, challenged the IFBB, threatened to sue the IFBB, etc....yeah...they've really stuck it to him since then.
The prize money IS guaranteed as per the Athletes rep's submissions last year which were passed and put into rule.
Vyotech DID write a check to Phil, and the rest of the winners...it was the bank error which held things up. Not a big deal.
ALL the checks in that account bounced because the BANK had some problems...hence, all the checks in THAT account...
Give it a rest already, Keith....
So to avoid "bank errors" why don't the IFBB request that the promotors place all monies into an escrow account 30-60 days before the event that way it gives them time to verifiy, hold, then release the money at the end of that period, it guarantees the checks will not bounce!!
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Its the bank's fault people!!!
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Bank and sponsor is a DIFFERENT organisation people... Get that into your freakin' head
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No Hawaiian....this is Jerryme formerly of Ewa Beach, Hawaii
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So to avoid "bank errors" why don't the IFBB request that the promotors place all monies into an escrow account 30-60 days before the event that way it gives them time to verifiy, hold, then release the money at the end of that period, it guarantees the checks will not bounce!!
Money was supposed to be there 180 days in advance so the IFBB could assure that there were no banking issues. However, it sounds like VYO did not have to follow the requirements of other promoters.
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Money was supposed to be there 180 days in advance so the IFBB could assure that there were no banking issues. However, it sounds like VYO did not have to follow the requirements of other promoters.
Because Shawn Ray is running to show?
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The money WAS/IS there...don't know how many times, or different ways BANK ERROR can be explained.
If some of you are too stupid to understand it...thats your problem.
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Because Shawn Ray is running to show?
I don't think the IFBB by-laws allow ex-pros special exceptions when it comes to prize monies.
I'll add this to the list of questions that Bob Chick is afraid to address.
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ITS THE BANKS FAULT PEOPLE!!
See here for the apology: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=73340.0
this issue is just being dragged on when the bank has already said their apologies.....
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Some people in these parts love a conspiracy theory...
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what I want to know is...when is the second coming? is the anti-christ alive and living in our time? Did Roswell really happen? Did Flex Wheeler get jumped by ninjas? What actually went on in the Titus's house....
240...Onlyme....you have any theories?
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The money WAS/IS there...don't know how many times, or different ways BANK ERROR can be explained.
If some of you are too stupid to understand it...thats your problem.
Escrow account = Very little chance for bank errors and saves you the time to reply to stupid threads like this. You want to act like the big boys then play like the big boys.....MLB escrow accounts....NFL escrow accounts, etc,etc,etc...you get the idea!!
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The money WAS/IS there...don't know how many times, or different ways BANK ERROR can be explained.
If some of you are too stupid to understand it...thats your problem.
If the IFBB had enforced its rules in a uniform, consistent, and fair manner, we would not be having this conversation, Bob.
No one will talk about why VYO didn't have to follow the rule that all prize checks are due to IFBB 180 days before the show.
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If the IFBB had enforced its rules in a uniform, consistent, and fair manner, we would not be having this conversation, Bob.
Although their bank could also have made an error?
Considering how vocal you are about the IFBB, Shawn, Vyotech and their handling of their business, I wonder why you aren't asking about the monetary affairs of the PDI?
If the IFBB allowed a promoter to run a sanctioned show depsite previously being unable to pay the athletes you'd be shouting louder than the athletes themselves! How come the PDI's first show doesn't meet with such vocal volume?
How much is the PDI - Wayne - asking for sanction fees?
Do the European promoters have to pay upfront?
Sorry, no need to answer that, there are none!
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Although their bank could also have made an error?
Could have. but didn't. It was VYO's fault. When the IFBB handles EVERY show's prize checks, there aren't problems. But when VYO handles their own finances in lieu of IFBB rules, there are issues. If they would have followed their own rules, there wouldn't have been this problem.
Considering how vocal you are about the IFBB, Shawn, Vyotech and their handling of their business, I wonder why you aren't asking about the monetary affairs of the PDI?
If the IFBB allowed a promoter to run a sanctioned show depsite previously being unable to pay the athletes you'd be shouting louder than the athletes themselves! How come the PDI's first show doesn't meet with such vocal volume?
How much is the PDI - Wayne - asking for sanction fees?
Do the European promoters have to pay upfront?
Sorry, no need to answer that, there are none!
I didn't talk about Shawn's ability to pay the bills until AFTER the show when checks bounced. I could care less HOW VYO pays their winners, as long as they pay them. Likewise, I don't care if Wayne has zero sponsors and pays all $150,000 in prize monies from his OWN POCKET. Many businesses operate at a loss for the first year or two. As long as the checks clear and the shows are run nicely, do you really care where the $ comes from?
And for the record, there are a few sponsors already. But that's not for me to publicly reveal.
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No Hawaiian....this is Jerryme formerly of Ewa Beach, Hawaii
Were you here when I was in Honolulu. Do you know me
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Chic nothing against you. But I do not understand why you are on here defending anything but what happened to Phil and 8 other competitors. WHy are you even addressing this issue. It has NO concern of yours. You are not the promoter. You are not the sponsor. You do not work for the bank. Where is Jeff Taylor or even Sean. Did you scan the actual fax from the bank. As much as you and the others want to just glide over this issue it is a very imprrtant issue. How many athletes is Sean going to have next year when they have to worry about getting paid. I am making another prediction (that will come true like all mine on the Colorado Pro) that next year there will be worse competitors and less of them at Seans show. This is a huge black eye for the show and the IFBB, simple as that no matter how many times you say its the banks fault. What will prevent this happening next year and worse. Nothing will prevent it. You should be kicking some ass trying to figure out how come this happened and who dropped the ball with the check writing. I would love to see the daily balance on the account to see exactly how much money was in there. i know I won't and thats no problem but I bet it supports what I am saying.
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what I want to know is...when is the second coming? is the anti-christ alive and living in our time? Did Roswell really happen? Did Flex Wheeler get jumped by ninjas? What actually went on in the Titus's house....
240...Onlyme....you have any theories?
Yes it was the banks fault on all these. I swear how come anyone banks at US Bank is beyond me
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And for the record, there are a few sponsors already. But that's not for me to publicly reveal.
That's rather odd. Sponsors normally want as much publicity as possible. Isn't it a form of advertising?
Maybe we could start a new magazine for them. We print blank pages and charge them $5000 a page!
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How many athletes is Sean going to have next year when they have to worry about getting paid.
LOL... I didn't even think of that.
No way Darrem returns- he was pissed and he's above it.
No DJ, no Luke, no King- all King enemies.
Phil? Maybe, depending on how mad he is about his money.
One black eye after another. Like a wise man once told me- you don't have to bring down the IFBB. They're doing a fine job of that on their own ;)
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PS Ron needs to run ads on this site to generate revenues.
NO.
The greatness of this forum is that it's not just a bunch of billboards.
I agree that Ron should charge people who *do* advertise their companies here (I am in that group) in message board posts, but I don't want to log into GetBig and see ad after ad when all I want to do is read messages.
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Did Fedorov's $20 check go through?
actually, the check for $20 that he bounced at Denny's following the show was the single cause for all Shawn's checks bouncing.
Bob chick said so, and paraphrased a fax to prove it!
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The problem is the promoter came on here numerous times bragging how much he know and how I should sit back and see how it is done and how he will be the model for all other promoters to model themselves after. His constant bragging and having the know-it-all attitude I called on immediately, Cause he knows NOTHING about promoting as does Issac knows NOTHING. They have proved it more than once on this show alone. And one of the most basic rules of promoting are to have the funds available for the prize money. No matter what, ALL prize money should be secure and in an escrow account where nothing wrong can happen. But, Sean said after all the years of competing and all his experience he KNOWS how to promote a show and Lift constantly telling everyone he is the best and all other promoters will learn how to really promote a show. All they did was embarrass themselves, the IFBB, the competitors and fans. No matter how much you keep saying it is the banks fault. IT IS NOT. It is the promoters fault and the IFBB for not making sure the money was secure in an escrow account. As much as I think that bank statement is bullshit since we yet have to see the real thing, I will say it is real for the moment. BUT that does not excuse the circumstances. It should have never been in the situation where the bank even gets involved. And the problem is no one comes on here to say it was their fault.
A little banking 101. Open an account with money. Write checks and make sure you have the money to cover them. Simple. The sad thing is the competitors are the ones who got fucked again. BAd checks. No money. Yes the Colorado Pro WAS the 3rd highest prize money in the IFBB. It has dropped down to last and its reputation is in the hole. Next years show is going to suck. If it even happens. Hey maybe Kevin can help. He seems to be so good at this stuff. He knows everything. Maybe those guys can put their heads together and form a rock.
And what about the Hummer being awarded to a sponsor. What is with that
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Did the Hummer really go to a sponsor? That kept getting deleted, which usually leans toward a nugget of truth.
I can say "Shawn Ray drives a VW Bus" and it'll stay up, as we all know it's silly and untrue. But if someone asks if indeed a sponsor got a "4WD-rebate", it gets deleted. Hmmm.
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Another question is who is the winner or the Hummer. Now several people have said the winner actually works for one of the sponsors of the show. If indeed he does just work for them, then usually he would be ineligible to win the Hummer. Not to say how bad it looks when one of your sponsors win the grand prize.
Ooo, this would be very, very bad for all concerned.
I believed him when he said he was from Salt Lake City, but I must admit, his impromptu speech did seem a bit rehearsed.
A lot of supplement companies maintain distribution centers in Utah, so there's a possibility you may be onto something here.
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Ooo, this would be very, very bad for all concerned.
I believed him when he said he was from Salt Lake City, but I must admit, his impromptu speech did seem a bit rehearsed.
A lot of supplement companies maintain distribution centers in Utah, so there's a possibility you may be onto something here.
jim bluff of salt lake city bbing won the hummer. I wrote down the name as I had a bad feeling it wouldn't go to a starry-eyed fan, but rather, to someone with a financial interest in the show.
Is there evidence that this man did indeed have a financial connection to the show as a sponsor?
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jim bluff of salt lake city bbing won the hummer. I wrote down the name as I had a bad feeling it wouldn't go to a starry-eyed fan, but rather, to someone with a financial interest in the show.
Is there evidence that this man did indeed have a financial connection to the show as a sponsor?
I actually have a guy working on it.
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I found this funny on BB.com. what Sean says:
I decided to come on strong to let the athletes know that I meant business and they would be paid onstage and in FULL! I had some great sponsors who helped make this payday possible for these athletes:
VYO-Tech Nutritionals
BOSS
Bodybuilding.com
Egg Whites Int.
Hydroderm Skin Care
Gaspari Nutrition
Twinlab
Axis Labs
Muscle Milk
Pro Wrist Straps
Lords GYM
Ballys
Lasik Spa
Jarrow Formulas
US Military
T-Mobil/ Nextel
Labrada Nutrition
...and many more!
Wow all those sponsors who supported this show. To bad.
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NO.
The greatness of this forum is that it's not just a bunch of billboards.
I agree that Ron should charge people who *do* advertise their companies here (I am in that group) in message board posts, but I don't want to log into GetBig and see ad after ad when all I want to do is read messages.
I'm not talking about flyin ads, banners and all that jazz. Advertisements which fit the content would do fine... esp in a text format... which blend in. Hence... he would be able to run contests for t-shirt, supplements, tickets, and other things relating to the industry.
BTW... I come here to read and have a bit of fun like everyone else but I'd wouldnt have a problem winning autographed photos and so forth.
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Problem's solved. End of thread ::)
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Amazing how it's the same PDI stooges who are on here ranting. Who'd a thunk?
I spoke to Phil this morning and he doesn't feel the need to comment on this matter. His personal finances are no one's business but his, so let it go already.
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Amazing how it's the same PDI stooges who are on here ranting. Who'd a thunk?
I spoke to Phil this morning and he doesn't feel the need to comment on this matter. His personal finances are no one's business but his, so let it go already.
This thread is more about guys Shawn p'ed off than Phil's money. Now... it's the Big Get Back!
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No doubt, another attempt at false excitement.
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No doubt, another attempt at false excitement.
If 240 is talking about it, you can be certain that it will amount to nothing ::)
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If 240 is talking about it, you can be certain that it will amount to nothing ::)
240 and his right hand stooge onlyme have taken irrelevant posting to new heights. What's even more pathetic is their demands for documentation and financial disclosures. Since when does anybody answer to you two idiots?
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Amazing how it's the same PDI stooges who are on here ranting. Who'd a thunk?
I spoke to Phil this morning and he doesn't feel the need to comment on this matter. His personal finances are no one's business but his, so let it go already.
ha ha, a typical ifbb kiss ass reponse.
I don't think anyone cares about your boy toy phil or his finances,
the concern is about a certain loud mouth promoter making false promises and
a certain "athletes rep" not doing crap about it
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240 and his right hand stooge onlyme have taken irrelevant posting to new heights. What's even more pathetic is their demands for documentation and financial disclosures. Since when does anybody answer to you two idiots?
Hahahahaha, 240 and onlyme are investigative reporters ;D ::)
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5 Pages of 240 & Onlyme talking about me........ ::)
You'd think they'd just give me a call or email me?
Not one post from an Athlete in my show to back these Stooges up and we know they post here and read but not 1, comes to the defence of the the HATER's! :-\
Clowns really do think alike, neither has a clue to the industry, as neither of the even go to the shows, know the athlete's personally or have any impact on our industry! :'(
Both however, will be infamously inducted in the GET BIG M E L T D O W N Hall of Shame!
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5 Pages of 240 & Onlyme talking about me........ ::)
You'd think they'd just give me a call or email me?
Not one post from an Athlete in my show to back these Stooges up and we know they post here and read but not 1, comes to the defence of the the HATER's! :-\
Clowns really do think alike, neither has a clue to the industry, as neither of the even go to the shows, know the athlete's personally or have any impact on our industry! :'(
Both however, will be infamously inducted in the GET BIG M E L T D O W N Hall of Shame!
Great post, Shawn! You're a wonderful man. ;D
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this thread is gold :D
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are you saying that Shawn is a "foxhole Christian", ieffinhatecardio?
Isn't everyone a foxhole Christian when the bombs are dropping?
More to the point I was trying to point out how pathetic Lucius is. Any pro not named Cutler and he's polishing their toenails, no matter how despicable the pro is.
I wonder if Jesus approves of worshipping such people.
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I wonder what Jesus thinks of that.
Jesus put his hands up and said, "Wasn't me."
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5 Pages of 240 & Onlyme talking about me........ ::)
You'd think they'd just give me a call or email me?
Not one post from an Athlete in my show to back these Stooges up and we know they post here and read but not 1, comes to the defence of the the HATER's! :-\
Clowns really do think alike, neither has a clue to the industry, as neither of the even go to the shows, know the athlete's personally or have any impact on our industry! :'(
Both however, will be infamously inducted in the GET BIG M E L T D O W N Hall of Shame!
that funny shawn,
in your post, you didn't make any mention of
why didn't the athletes get paid on time..
i guess the truth does tend to hurt.
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That "NO COMMENT" comment opens up a can of worms once again.
Keith, you should accept Shawn's invite and make that telephone call. It could prove to be very interesting and should be transcribed word for word here on GetBig.com to set the matter at rest.
Shawn, I have to respectfully disagree with your comments about Keith, "Clowns really do think alike, neither has a clue to the industry, as neither of the even go to the shows, know the athlete's personally or have any impact on our industry!"
I don't know 240 but I do know Keith and can tell you that he has done more for the industry and the athletes and kids of all ages and illnesses worldwide than you are aware of.
I congradulate you for your similar efforts on behalf of disadvantaged kids (Golf tournament) but it really is a mistake to make that statement about Keith who has been helping kids and athletes and promoting events that would knock your socks off for more years than you have been competing.
OK, back to the battle.
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that funny shawn,
in your post, you didn't make any mention of
why didn't the athletes get paid on time..
i guess the truth does tend to hurt.
are you suggesting that Shawn Ray ran a charity event, dearth?
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Why are posts getting deleted?
Especially the one where Lift intimated he knew about emails between 240 and Phil Heath and then he pretended he made no mention of such emails.
Oh, and who exactly is Lift? I thought he was a schmoe photographer is that accurate?
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I just want to know where Vyo gets all this money. Nobody buys their shit products, but they appeared out of nowhere a little over a year ago. Do a ton of advertising and signed several athletes. Who is fronting all this money?
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LIFT-
WHY DID YOU JUST DELETE THE EMAIL WHERE YOU THREW PHIL HEATH UNDER THE BUS FOR RUNNING HIS MOUTH ABOUT EMAILS I SENT HIM?
YOU WERE CAUGHT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. YOU SHOWED ZERO CONFIDENTIALITY AND ACTED WITHOUT PROFESSIONALISM.
are you saying that if "lift studios" was a defense attorney that he would tell the prosecution about his client confessing to a murder, 240?
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Why are posts getting deleted?
Especially the one where Lift intimated he knew about emails between 240 and Phil Heath and then he pretended he made no mention of such emails.
Oh, and who exactly is Lift? I thought he was a schmoe photographer is that accurate?
There are lines that you don't cross. You NEVER talk about personal emails on the boards. I have so much dirt on so many guys that will NEVER see the light of day, because you just don't bring that up here.
LIFT, you and I are held to higher standards. We can goof off and argue here, but we can NEVER talk about private communications here on the boards. I can't believe that a newb like me is telling you this. For you to talk about my demeanor when emailing questions to athletes was DISGUSTING. Now, anyone who talks to Phil Heath knows they are risking having their words ANNOUNCED TO THE WORLD on message boads from YOU?
You're better than this, Isaac. Don't let your hatred for the PDI cloud your ability to do things right and ethically.
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There are lines that you don't cross. You NEVER talk about personal emails on the boards. I have so much dirt on so many guys that will NEVER see the light of day, because you just don't bring that up here.
LIFT, you and I are held to higher standards. We can goof off and argue here, but we can NEVER talk about private communications here on the boards. I can't believe that a newb like me is telling you this. For you to talk about my demeanor when emailing questions to athletes was DISGUSTING. Now, anyone who talks to Phil Heath knows they are risking having their words ANNOUNCED TO THE WORLD on message boads from YOU?
You're better than this, Isaac. Don't let your hatred for the PDI cloud your ability to do things right and ethically.
Who is he? It seems he's always with Shawn Ray or Chick, is he a bodybuilder? A schmoe? A photog? A web designer?
Who exactly is he?
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There are lines that you don't cross. You NEVER talk about personal emails on the boards. I have so much dirt on so many guys that will NEVER see the light of day, because you just don't bring that up here.
You dont do it anywhere, anytime to anyone even if you're mad at them! :)
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You dont do it anywhere, anytime to anyone even if you're mad at them!
Agreed! There HAS to be separation. LIFT is a competitor of mine, and he used Phil's emails to try to gain an advantage. Then, he deleted it, once it backfired. Kind of hard to have a fair debate when one guy has a mute button :-\
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Lift does websites and promotions, I think.
Lift also feels the need to undermine the compeition (me) by running his mouth about emails. What else would LIFT do to get ahead? I am majorly annoyed by this. LIFT threw Phil under the bus trying to make me look bad, then DELETED it once he realize what he did.
I just went to his website, to say it's not impressive would be an understatement.
I think I remember him cracking on your websites 240, if he did and if his website is any indication of his work then he has no right to be saying anything about anyone else's sites.
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Stop crying Rob. I called you on your shit - you freaked and now you're trying to do damage control. The threads were deleted because they were personal attacks - mine included. I never once mentioned you emailing Phil. You brought that out - I said you present yourself differently when emailing athletes directly and you do. Which 240 is the real one - the one who kisses ass on email or the one who spouts off on the boards about everything?
Don't flatter yourself, you're not my competition.
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I never once mentioned you emailing Phil.
You clearly intimated it. Why deny it?
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240....I think you bring a lot of interesting things to this board with you conspiracy theories and such but why so much animosity? You had animosity for Chick, Ray, and Lift....you were putting me down a few weeks ago.....
Cant we all just get along? I believe that all of us would be great friends if we had a physical gathering place and it just wasnt regulated to a forum.
I met Tre and he was cool as shit..I met Shawn and he was cool as shit. I met Chick and Chick was cool as hell. These people really impressed the hell out of me. I gained a lot of respect for these guys.
People are different in person. If you dont know the person intimately like a brother or a best friend...why attack their character?
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Chick- does more to help the IFBB than to help the athletes, IMO. Also he deceives us, belittles fans, and makes baseless accusations. I think this has been demonstrated here.
Shawn- I don't dislike Shawn, but he did threaten to call my wife and talk some trash if I questioned the ability of VYO to fund the Colo Pro or asked one more time about his athletes list. this was not nice.
LIFT- I don't wanna go there.
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Damn get a life 240 ! :o :o :o
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Chick- is a people person.....does not belittle his fans. He is a great representative for the sport. Had the pleasure of meeting him in person and he impressed the hell out of me. Have you ever met him in person or spoke with him, 240? The only time Ive seen Chick get defensive was when people were bashing him on this board..he had every right to say the thing he typed...you guys show no mercy...Id be defending myself too if you guys were attacking me the same way....
Shawn- Shawn was my idol when I was growing up....met him in person and was impressed by him. I only judge Shawn by how he has treated me. He treated me with respect. I have nothing bad to say about him. I dont believe everything I read either..
Lift...I dont know Lift to make any sort of judgement nor will I believe rumors or what people say if he isnt here to defend himself. If I did meet him in person and he did treat me bad, then Ill make a judgement....but he hasnt done anything wrong to me so Im not going to jump on your bandwagon like some people are doing to bash these people...what are we in elementary school?
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Lift also feels the need to undermine the competition (me) by running his mouth about emails. What else would LIFT do to get ahead? I am majorly annoyed by this.
Mmm, I think both of you guys have a lot to offer, but I don't think of you as competitors with one another. I suppose that argument could be made, though, given that you both are now active in promoting bodybuilding events online.
Based on the screen shot that was posted, Lift didn't violate anyone's confidentiality - the only thing he did was to let 240 know that he was privy to the communications between Phil and 240. At no point did Lift divulge the content of that private email communication.
Lift has competed as a bodybuilder before, though. ;)
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Chick- he had every right to say the thing he typed...you guys show no mercy...Id be defending myself too if you guys were attacking me the same way....
Chick called me a racist and provided false proof. When proven to be incorrect, and confronted with 2 years of my behavior plus proof the IP addresses he used were AOL proxies, he didn't apologize.
He tried to completely destroy me with lies. Do you still think he had every right to say those things?
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I met Tre and he was cool as shit..I met Shawn and he was cool as shit. I met Chick and Chick was cool as hell. These people really impressed the hell out of me. I gained a lot of respect for these guys.
Thanks, bro!
It was great meeting you and your friends as well, and I do look forward to seeing you guys again next year.
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Chick called me a racist and provided false proof.
The race card was improperly played...and out of nowhere at that.
I'm glad that incident was short-lived, but I can understand why you're not going to let it go.
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Before I read on and post more about this joke of a promoter and the way he side tracks the FACTS along with his 3 or 4 neighbor buddies who support hs bulloshit and constant lying, I have to say sorry to Liftbig. I had no idea you looked like this. I swear to god I was just having fun with you cause I actually thought you lifted and was some physical speciman that could take whatever I dished out. Now that I see an actual picture of you I take back most of the remarks. It is plain to see for everyone now that you are in no shape to take on additional burdens like arguing on the internet. Sorry dude. And I hope Seans check didn't bounce to you too and that you go out and get something to eat. You look allot like the pictures I saw in highschool when we were studying WWII camps. Hang around you promoter friend, frm the looks of it he can put some weight you.
And yes this is an actual photo of our own Liftbig. Got this off the BB.com website. And this was by far the best looking pic on their.
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but I can understand why you're not going to let it go.
It's ammunition. It's fuel. It's a victory.
You pick.
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I spoke to Phil this morning and he doesn't feel the need to comment on this matter.
While I don't expect the funds to be securely resting in his account yet (long delays are reasonable on large deposits like this)...
You're part of the bodybuilding media and Phil is your guy, yet you get a "no comment"??
You and I know the situation is totally innocent and that he will get all his money shortly - assuming he doesn't have it already - but you've got to know that's going to look pretty suspicious to some people out there.
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I just want to know where Vyo gets all this money. Nobody buys their shit products, but they appeared out of nowhere a little over a year ago. Do a ton of advertising and signed several athletes. Who is fronting all this money?
VYOtech is a 4th tier supplement company. They are funded and owned by Hydroderm which is a skin care company that does very well in that industry. Probably another tax break for them.
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Before I read on and post more about this joke of a promoter and the way he side tracks the FACTS along with his 3 or 4 neighbor buddies who support hs bulloshit and constant lying, I have to say sorry to Liftbig. I had no idea you looked like this. I swear to god I was just having fun with you cause I actually thought you lifted and was some physical speciman that could take whatever I dished out. Now that I see an actual picture of you I take back most of the remarks. It is plain to see for everyone now that you are in no shape to take on additional burdens like arguing on the internet. Sorry dude. And I hope Seans check didn't bounce to you too and that you go out and get something to eat. You look allot like the pictures I saw in highschool when we were studying WWII camps. Hang around you promoter friend, frm the looks of it he can put some weight you.
And yes this is an actual photo of our own Liftbig. Got this off the BB.com website. And this was by far the best looking pic on their.
I'm not picking on Lift here cause he's looks lean and in pretty good shape but why are his arms sticking out so much? I've heard of ILS (imaginary lat syndrome) but this is ridiculous.
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Probably another tax break for them.
It's like gambling with the house's money.
They can throw tons of cash at something and if it works, they win. If it fails, they take a dollar-for-dollar tax write-off and list it as both a failed business AND a charity!! ;D
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Before I read on and post more about this joke of a promoter and the way he side tracks the FACTS along with his 3 or 4 neighbor buddies who support hs bulloshit and constant lying, I have to say sorry to Liftbig. I had no idea you looked like this. I swear to god I was just having fun with you cause I actually thought you lifted and was some physical speciman that could take whatever I dished out. Now that I see an actual picture of you I take back most of the remarks. It is plain to see for everyone now that you are in no shape to take on additional burdens like arguing on the internet. Sorry dude. And I hope Seans check didn't bounce to you too and that you go out and get something to eat. You look allot like the pictures I saw in highschool when we were studying WWII camps. Hang around you promoter friend, frm the looks of it he can put some weight you.
And yes this is an actual photo of our own Liftbig. Got this off the BB.com website. And this was by far the best looking pic on their.
He looks way better than your friend Rob
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I'm not picking on Lift here cause he's looks lean and in pretty good shape but why are his arms sticking out so much? I've heard of ILS (imaginary lat syndrome) but this is ridiculous.
Lift's a good guy and as far as I know, he always plays it straight.
In addition to being active on the business side of things, he's also put in the time in the gym, gotten himself into shape, done the diet, and stepped onstage as a competitor. That experience gives him a lot more credence in this arena.
My only knock on Lift is that he isn't controversial enough...although it looks here like he is working to change that image. ;)
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Lift's a good guy and as far as I know, he always plays it straight.
In addition to being active on the business side of things, he's also put in the time in the gym, gotten himself into shape, done the diet, and stepped onstage as a competitor. That experience gives him a lot more credence in this arena.
My only knock on Lift is that he isn't controversial enough...although it looks here like he is working to change that image. ;)
Ok, I'm glad you filled me in on that but why are his arms sticking out so much?
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Ok, I'm glad you filled me in on that but why are his arms sticking out so much?
That's the, "Hey, bitch, I'm a bodybuilder!" pose.
;D
(just pickin' on ya, Isaac)
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when i hear somebody say trust me...sensors engage
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And yes this is an actual photo of our own Liftbig. Got this off the BB.com website. And this was by far the best looking pic on their.
That's some pic, Monster imaginary lats. :o - Good abs but what happened to the rest of the physique??? I guess if you wanna sacrifice EVERYTHING else for one muscle group that's what ya get....
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Mmm, I think both of you guys have a lot to offer, but I don't think of you as competitors with one another. I suppose that argument could be made, though, given that you both are now active in promoting bodybuilding events online.
Based on the screen shot that was posted, Lift didn't violate anyone's confidentiality - the only thing he did was to let 240 know that he was privy to the communications between Phil and 240. At no point did Lift divulge the content of that private email communication.
Lift has competed as a bodybuilder before, though. ;)
Thank you - not much more to it then that and for the record I don't claim to be a bodyuilder, nor will I ever. ;D
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Thank you - not much more to it then that and for the record I don't claim to be a bodyuilder, nor will I ever. ;D
Fair enough but you're sure standing there like you're a bodybuilder. The ALS is in FULL effect.
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Whats funny is I know everyone will get paid sometime. No way in hell will VYotech let this go since they are the main name out there and Sean would never use his own money. The problem was and always has been how everyone associated with this farce has lied. SOmeone last week put that the guys were all taken care of last Friday. When in fact they weren't. Chic types a letter on the board and says its from the bank. But when asked to just scan the orignal document nothing happens. To date Sean has not defended his actions only he does his sidestepping bullshit he alwasy does without explaining why guys weren't paid. As much as Lift, Jerry and whoever else seems to think Sean can do no wrong, Sean has the reputation of deceit and being cheap and not doing what he says he will do. Thats why pulling off this show was so important. Well he did pull it off but two weeks after the show there are still some issues. He comes on here saying how no athletes have come on here to complain, well no athletes have come on here to say anythng good about you either and not one of them who had a check bounce has come on here to say they have been paid. And I highly doubt anything negative will be said by any competitor from fear of the IFBB. And to say that doesn't happen is a joke. I think Chic said something about Jay Cutler after threatening t sure the IFBB and look at him. Yes look at him. He has nevr won the Olympia and it is a pretty safe bet he never will cause of the shit he caused the IFBB. It amazes me how some of you support an organization that does nothing for their members and screws them whenever possible. And they have been able to do this for many years because they knew their was no where else to compete. Well now their is and now they are a little worried. And they should be. As I was told, sit back and the IFBB will destroy themselves. And again that is true. The IFBB will ruin themselves. Alsready this year a cancelled show with more to follow and a show that even after its done is having problems. No matter what you 3 or 4 misguided morons who support what the IFBB does to its athletes and supports a promoter who can't tell the truth and hides, I don't come on here and say anything that hasn't happened. So far no one can explain why there was no money in the account. All they do is come on here a shows a letter that Chic types saying the bank made a mistake. Sorry thats no proof you had money in the account. The fact is Sean was treated with kid gloves because of his relation with the IFBB and his sponsors is big with them. So NO secured money was required like it is from all other promoters and it blew up in their face. That is a fact. And to say I don't what I am talking about is hilarious. Other than Sean and Mike I am the only one who has put on a major show here and many others. So what say is out of expericence not by hanging around a guy or reading it somewhere. I lived it. And the countless emails and PM's I get from many people telling me things about the IFBB, and others kind of supports that many know my experience.
So keep hanging on to the S.S. IFBB cause your ship is sinking, and you are going down with it.
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He looks way better than your friend Rob
Well you got me there.
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Before I read on and post more about this joke of a promoter and the way he side tracks the FACTS along with his 3 or 4 neighbor buddies who support hs bulloshit and constant lying, I have to say sorry to Liftbig. I had no idea you looked like this. I swear to god I was just having fun with you cause I actually thought you lifted and was some physical speciman that could take whatever I dished out. Now that I see an actual picture of you I take back most of the remarks. It is plain to see for everyone now that you are in no shape to take on additional burdens like arguing on the internet. Sorry dude. And I hope Seans check didn't bounce to you too and that you go out and get something to eat. You look allot like the pictures I saw in highschool when we were studying WWII camps. Hang around you promoter friend, frm the looks of it he can put some weight you.
And yes this is an actual photo of our own Liftbig. Got this off the BB.com website. And this was by far the best looking pic on their.
Listen flapjack - I have never claimed to be a bodybuilder and yes I had no clue how to pose - I'd never done a show. However I have nothing to hide from, since you're so infatuated with me - I was 5'11" 168lbs - skinny as shit in bodybuilding terms but at least I can say I have abs - something you wouldn't know anything about. Here's another photo for your collection stalker.
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Thank you - not much more to it then that and for the record I don't claim to be a bodyuilder, nor will I ever. ;D
Well you did say you were a bodybuilder and a competitive one at that. Please get your stories straight you are sounding more like your idol Sean. You do have abs though, but so did everyone else in the camp. And why are your shoulders the same width as your hips. Just wondering.
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You think Jay never won the Olympia because the IFBB is teaching him a lesson? Oh please!!
Dont you think that the sport could make more money if they made a marketable (white) Mr. Olympia?
Ronnie is from a different planet and out muscles Jay....
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Onlyme...its spelled S H A W N not S E A N
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Listen flapjack - I have never claimed to be a bodybuilder and yes I had no clue how to pose - I'd never done a show. However I have nothing to hide from, since you're so infatuated with me - I was 5'11" 168lbs - skinny as shit in bodybuilding terms but at least I can say I have abs - something you wouldn't know anything about. Here's another photo for your collection stalker.
Fantastic, you had abs along with a million other people, Keith has benched 500 lbs. which do you think is more impressive? How many people have benched 500 lbs? Which is a more exclusive and impressive club, the people that have had abs club or the people that have benched 500 lbs club?
You can't say you're not a bodybuilder but post a picture of yourself in posing trunks standing next to a trophy and then go off about having abs.
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Id rather have abs than be an out of shape fat dude who can bench 500....
Women love abs ;)
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Onlyme...its spelled S H A W N not S E A N
I can see you defending Chick but your assworship of Shawn Ray is misplaced at best and pathetic at worst.
Do you realize the type of crap he has done in his life? Or do morals play no role in your life, if so please disregard this post.
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Onlyme...its spelled S H A W N not S E A N
No its not the TV station in Denver spelled it Sean and they know cause he put on a great an dwonderful show there and it was the biggest thing since the WInn Dixie
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Id rather have abs than be an out of shape fat dude who can bench 500....
Women love abs ;)
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Worst post of this thread.
Keith wasn't out of shape and fat when he was benching 500 lbs, get your facts straight, tool.
This idiot goes beautifully with LuciusFox, two blind assworshipping morons. You must be proud.
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reminds me when Art Atwood won his debut. He only got about $1000 of it and that was after weeks/months. Nimrod King should have been ashamed and banned from hosting shows for life (was he?)
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And the countless emails and PM's I get from many people telling me things about the IFBB, and others kind of supports that many know my experience.
Hey 240,
I hope you are going to jump all over spiderman here for talking about private e-mails?
Should be interesting to hear two PDI stooges going at each other.
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Id rather have abs than be an out of shape fat dude who can bench 500....
Women love abs ;)
Really Jerry, you are neither so please don't try to get in this conversation. And I benched 585 at a bodyweight of 298 and 500 at 247. I don't think this is too fat for 6'1" 300 lbs. and please post your lifts and accomplishment. Son, please don't get in a battle you have no chance of winning. Let the boys who are used to battling battle and you sit back and watch and stare at your Sean poster.
Today might be a different story but at least I have done something. And I will be fine at the Olympia, not 100% but not bad.
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get your facts straight...I wasnt rerferring to onlyme...I was saying that id rather have abs than be a fat dude that can bench press 500 pounds...
so are you insinuating that onlyme is a 500 pound fat dude?
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Fantastic, you had abs along with a million other people, Keith has benched 500 lbs. which do you think is more impressive? How many people have benched 500 lbs? Which is a more exclusive and impressive club, the people that have had abs club or the people that have benched 500 lbs club?
You can't say you're not a bodybuilder but post a picture of yourself in posing trunks standing next to a trophy and then go off about having abs.
I'm simply stating I am realistic and know I am not a COMPETITVE bodybuilder. I did it for fun and yes I competed but that doesn't make me a competitive bodybuilder. I can respect Keith for benching that much but you didn't see me on here cracking on how much he can or can't bench. He chose to post how I look - which is fine. I'm simply stating I proved to myself I can diet, do a show and in the process have wicked abs. At the end of the day - big whoop. Benching 500lbs - while respectable is not something I give two shits about.
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Hey 240,
I hope you are going to jump all over spiderman here for talking about private e-mails?
Should be interesting to hear two PDI stooges going at each other.
Kevin sweety, I don't see where I mention anyone;s name. Can you please point that out for me cause I am missing it.
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Im not here to hate people.....Im not hating on you guys or putting you guys down...you guys are the ones putting other people down....
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Today might be a different story but at least I have done something. And I will be fine at the Olympia, not 100% but not bad.
Gotta five credit where credit is due. You looked ok in those shots. A little too much of the "Village People" moustache though.
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get your facts straight...I wasnt rerferring to onlyme...I was saying that id rather have abs than be a fat dude that can bench press 500 pounds...
so are you insinuating that onlyme is a 500 pound fat dude?
Well that sure is how I read it. And I am a fat dude now but not near 500 anymore. Give me a chance Ihave been out of hard training for 7 years. Monthly serious reactions from poison in your leg tend to do that to you.
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sorry keith, but every time i see your gillette pic i think of Kane! ha ha ha
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Kevin sweety, I don't see where I mention anyone;s name. Can you please point that out for me cause I am missing it.
You didn't. But your lover 240 said you shouldn't mention them at all.
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Onlyme...Im sorry to hear about your situation.
I know you can do it....
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that's his money, you aint gonna get a penny from it, dont hold your breath, son
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Okay enough about the bodies already. Here is a recap and hopefully the end;
Lift-skinny but with godd abs, probably won't bench 500+
Keith- fat now, used to be very good for 300 and will get back to that shape hopefully by the end of the year
Sean-great body years ago, not he's fat too
Chic- my hero andthe Masters champ
Kevin' who knows but he has seen allot of nice male bodies, so hopefully it rubbed off on him, (hoepfully not really rubbed off)
Jerry- not sure but if he is from Hawaii he is probably okay
Jeff-thanks for the backup
240- well we know about him. But, he is funny and witty and that counts for at least 20 lbs off.
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Sean is loving this cause the whole thread has now took a detour from where it started.
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I grew up in Ewa Beach. Graduated from Campbell High School.....Not Hawaiian but part filipino and black
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get your facts straight...I wasnt rerferring to onlyme...I was saying that id rather have abs than be a fat dude that can bench press 500 pounds...
so are you insinuating that onlyme is a 500 pound fat dude?
This is your post you complete and utter moron, never once did the topic of a 500 pound man come up, what you said was an out of shape fat man that can bench 500 pounds.
And don't pretend you weren't referring to Keith, because you were and everyone that read your post knows you were. In addition to being a moron now you're a lier.
Clearly intelligence isn't your strong suit. Idiot.
Id rather have abs than be an out of shape fat dude who can bench 500....
Women love abs ;)
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When i said 500 pounds, I wasnt referring to Keith either....the 500 pounds was coincidental >:(
Now youre the moron! You dont know me....now youre making judgements about me and you dont know anything about me...
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Kevin' who knows but he has seen allot of nice male bodies, so hopefully it rubbed off on him, (hoepfully not really rubbed off)
Though I used to train and keep telling myself "I'm starting training again today" i am a fat bastard like you. Unfortunatley I can't blame a spider, I just ate too much.
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Id rather have abs than be an out of shape fat dude who can bench 500....
Women love abs ;)
I didn't have a pack but I did get up to a 4 pack. And I can tell you that women LOVE chests and arms and shoulders too. I know.
I grew up in Ewa Beach. Graduated from Campbell High School.....Not Hawaiian but part filipino and black
I spoke at Campbell a couple of times. I am filipino, german and irish
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Sean is loving this cause the whole thread has now took a detour from where it started.
Doesn't every thread do that?
I thought it was par for the course.
Start off with a reasonable question - unlesss it's another boring conspiracy theory.
Have a few interesting debates
Then ry to ridicule one another.
Forums at their finest!
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When i said 500 pounds, I wasnt referring to Keith either....the 500 pounds was coincidental >:(
Now youre the moron! You dont know me....now youre making judgements about me and you dont know anything about me...
I know that you lost in the God's handing out brains lottery and that you're a worshipper of Pro's. I don't need to know anymore. Oh, I also know that you lied about what your post meant.
So I know more than enough.
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Doesn't every thread do that?
I thought it was par for the course.
Start off with a reasonable question - unlesss it's another boring conspiracy theory.
Have a few interesting debates
Then ry to ridicule one another.
Forums at their finest!
YEAH YOU SUCK KEVIN HORTON! ;D
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I had no idea you looked like this. I swear to god I was just having fun with you cause I actually thought you lifted and was some physical speciman that could take whatever I dished out. Now that I see an actual picture of you I take back most of the remarks. It is plain to see for everyone now that you are in no shape to take on additional burdens like arguing on the internet. Sorry dude.
onlyme the fact is lift looks 1000x's better than you. sorry, just stating the facts.
also, whats the difference when lift mentions how 240 commuincates with pros via pm, and when 240 says he knows information about sarcasm, and many more people on getbig, but hides this information in his bag of tricks. wasnt 240 threating to post pics of cheri that he had stashed. then he brought her kids into the fight. 240 brags about all this private information he has ALL THE TIME. is this really someone you want to do buisness with. no offense, just stating the FACTS.
in the end, i actually beleive that phil and other competitors will get their money. its just clear that shawn is owns onlyme even when shawn doesnt post. that is the most severe kind of ownage.
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Onlyme...not everything is Shawn's fault...there are circumstances that are out of our control and forces that we dont comprehend that disrupts our lives.
Do you actually think that the promoter(s) or sponsors wanted the checks to bounce? I dont believe that it was premeditated.....I believe banks can screw up....
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Fantastic, you had abs along with a million other people, Keith has benched 500 lbs. which do you think is more impressive? How many people have benched 500 lbs? Which is a more exclusive and impressive club, the people that have had abs club or the people that have benched 500 lbs club?
You can't say you're not a bodybuilder but post a picture of yourself in posing trunks standing next to a trophy and then go off about having abs.
if benching 500lbs means looking like wolfy (no offense wolf, i know you love your size) then i would rather be in the ab club.
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I'm simply stating I am realistic and know I am not a COMPETITVE bodybuilder. I did it for fun and yes I competed but that doesn't make me a competitive bodybuilder. I can respect Keith for benching that much but you didn't see me on here cracking on how much he can or can't bench. He chose to post how I look - which is fine. I'm simply stating I proved to myself I can diet, do a show and in the process have wicked abs. At the end of the day - big whoop. Benching 500lbs - while respectable is not something I give two shits about.
Have you ever cracked on Keith for being fat? If so then he has every right to post your picture, I don't know if you have I'm just giving a plausible excuse for him posting your picture.
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if benching 500lbs means looking like wolfy (no offense wolf, i know you love your size) then i would rather be in the ab club.
So you're saying if you have to look like Wolfy you don't want to bench 500 lbs., does that mean everyone that benches 500 lbs. looks like Wolfy?
I'm sure you realize the two are mutually exclusive, Keith said he benched 500 lbs. at 247, does that look like Wolfy?
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Ieffinhatecardio...yeah you know all about me....yadda yadda yadda yaddda.
And just for the record..Im strictly clitly...which means Im only attracted to the opposite sex...Im sorry to ruin your fantasy
As far as ass worshipping the pros, please....I read articles to better myself or strive to be the best I can because someone inspired me to...I dont get turned on looking at men...do you? If you dont, then why are you bringing up thius subject. I know who I am and what I like and dont need you to validate or make other people judge me when they dont even know me....
Now, you are the one making yourself out to be the self righteous asshole....sorry had to say it...
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So you're saying if you have to look like Wolfy you don't want to bench 500 lbs., does that mean everyone that benches 500 lbs. looks like Wolfy?
I'm sure you realize the two are mutually exclusive, Keith said he benched 500 lbs. at 247, does that look like Wolfy?
bro, if your asking me to pick between the pics keith himself posted up and the pic keith posted up of lift. i would take lift in a heart beat.
and no, your right. it does not look like wolfy, in terms of past tense...but now...it may be a different story....
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Though I used to train and keep telling myself "I'm starting training again today" i am a fat bastard like you. Unfortunatley I can't blame a spider, I just ate too much.
Oh well at least we can relate to something. I can't blame the spider for being fat. It's what it did to me by not being able to walk at all for almost 6 months. I literally crawled everywhere in my house and very rarely left. My daughter went grocery shopping and everythng. I literally would crawl in the bathroom. I only took bath then. I had a nice big roman tub in my master bath and it was great. When my fever was 103 (whihc was monthly) I woudl turn the water on as hot as it could get and crawl in. I had a TV put in the bathroom and a phone and I stayed in the bath tub for as much as 5 hours. I would try to get out and couldn't cause my leg hurt so bad and my back. When I was finally able to walk I was heavier. Then I started going to Gold's on Decatur and FLamingo then get sick and not be able to lift for another two weeks. I lifted maybe 5 to 10 days a month cause the rest of the time I couldn't do anything. Anyway, I am fat now but I am back in the gym days a week. My strength is gettng a whole better. I do 315 on the bench for 12 like it is nothing. And I am back up to 1 hour of cardio. Trying to get back in half way decent shape for the Olympia. I still have a problem with my leg. But now instead of every month it only reacts about every 3 to 5 months. I just had an episode 3 weeks ago or so. That is the picture below. The calf measure 30"+. It is now really good again. It is only 23'5" around which is just a couple bigger than the other.
I don't like saying anything bad about anyone body ever and especially since currently I am nothing to look at. I could care less how skinny Issac is or fat Kevin is or whatever. Who fucking cares. I am not a bodybuldr and believe me never wanted to at all no matter how many peple thought I should have been. I never competed n powerlifting and plenty thought I shuold do that. Other than armwrestling I lifted weights cause I liked it and it got me attention (allot of it) girls loved it and being my size sure gets you repsect.
You guys can bash me now cause I look this way and Sean does it all the time, but no matter what when I post on here I do not make up this shit I say. Someone tells me and I put it down. Or I say something cause I have been throught it and I know. I speak from expericence not heresay or from reading it somewhere.
I've seen your photos Kevin and you are good but your loyalty for the IFBB and hatred for what Wayne is doing gets me going. I hate people and companies that take advantage of others and reap in the riches while others suffer. And the IFBB, Manion and the Weiders fit this bill. So anything I can do to stop it I will. And supporting Wayne and his idea seems to be the best way to do it now.
Also, whoever called me flapjack is funnier than hell. I love that word.
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Group hug and it was me that called ya flapjack, there skippy.
;D
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I heard the check was actually written on a paper towel, using crayons.
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I have a lot of respect for you onlyme but if you argue with Shawn on these boards, I am not going to intervene nor join in on the banter if you both put each other down. Whatever personal feelings you hold for each other is between you and him. I know nothing about what has happenned in the past.
I just hope one youll see past your differences and maybe mend some wounds...
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Whats funny is I know everyone will get paid sometime. No way in hell will VYotech let this go since they are the main name out there and Sean would never use his own money. The problem was and always has been how everyone associated with this farce has lied. SOmeone last week put that the guys were all taken care of last Friday. When in fact they weren't. Chic types a letter on the board and says its from the bank. But when asked to just scan the orignal document nothing happens. To date Sean has not defended his actions only he does his sidestepping bullshit he alwasy does without explaining why guys weren't paid. As much as Lift, Jerry and whoever else seems to think Sean can do no wrong, Sean has the reputation of deceit and being cheap and not doing what he says he will do. Thats why pulling off this show was so important. Well he did pull it off but two weeks after the show there are still some issues. He comes on here saying how no athletes have come on here to complain, well no athletes have come on here to say anythng good about you either and not one of them who had a check bounce has come on here to say they have been paid. And I highly doubt anything negative will be said by any competitor from fear of the IFBB. And to say that doesn't happen is a joke. I think Chic said something about Jay Cutler after threatening t sure the IFBB and look at him. Yes look at him. He has nevr won the Olympia and it is a pretty safe bet he never will cause of the shit he caused the IFBB. It amazes me how some of you support an organization that does nothing for their members and screws them whenever possible. And they have been able to do this for many years because they knew their was no where else to compete. Well now their is and now they are a little worried. And they should be. As I was told, sit back and the IFBB will destroy themselves. And again that is true. The IFBB will ruin themselves. Alsready this year a cancelled show with more to follow and a show that even after its done is having problems. No matter what you 3 or 4 misguided morons who support what the IFBB does to its athletes and supports a promoter who can't tell the truth and hides, I don't come on here and say anything that hasn't happened. So far no one can explain why there was no money in the account. All they do is come on here a shows a letter that Chic types saying the bank made a mistake. Sorry thats no proof you had money in the account. The fact is Sean was treated with kid gloves because of his relation with the IFBB and his sponsors is big with them. So NO secured money was required like it is from all other promoters and it blew up in their face. That is a fact. And to say I don't what I am talking about is hilarious. Other than Sean and Mike I am the only one who has put on a major show here and many others. So what say is out of expericence not by hanging around a guy or reading it somewhere. I lived it. And the countless emails and PM's I get from many people telling me things about the IFBB, and others kind of supports that many know my experience.
So keep hanging on to the S.S. IFBB cause your ship is sinking, and you are going down with it.
Did you ever stop to think that yiou don't get responses to some question pose because:
A : These people don't give a shit what you two second rate Woodward and Bernsteins think.
b : They know no matter what answer they give you retards will never be satisfied, it's just more grist for the mill.
C : They don't have to tell you shit, it's none of your business really.
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onlyme the fact is lift looks 1000x's better than you. sorry, just stating the facts.
also, whats the difference when lift mentions how 240 commuincates with pros via pm, and when 240 says he knows information about sarcasm, and many more people on getbig, but hides this information in his bag of tricks. wasnt 240 threating to post pics of cheri that he had stashed. then he brought her kids into the fight. 240 brags about all this private information he has ALL THE TIME. is this really someone you want to do buisness with. no offense, just stating the FACTS.
in the end, i actually beleive that phil and other competitors will get their money. its just clear that shawn is owns onlyme even when shawn doesnt post. that is the most severe kind of ownage.
Dookie, this is unfair. No way is Lift 1000 times better than me. 900 at the most. And I too have stated I know everyone will get paid. No dobt about it 100% sure of that. I am just stating and doing it out of personal experince that it should have never happened. And Sean has never owned me. He is moral-less, cheap, lies, side-steps real questions, misleads, and takes advantage of people. I highly doubt anyone like this can even comes close to owning me. Not even close. His not posting as you put it is because he can't answer the questions put forth to him. Why do you thnk Chic is doing it. How can anyone idolze someone like this is beyond me andmany others. Sure you can idolize his body he once had cause he is fat as hell now, but what else is there. When you idolize someone like this it speaks volumes of your own character. Do you really want to go there. I even admire his body he once had. Hell I loved Arnolds body. But after being with him and seeing how he was with the camreas off i do not like him.
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Ieffinhatecardio...yeah you know all about me....yadda yadda yadda yaddda.
And just for the record..Im strictly clitly...which means Im only attracted to the opposite sex...Im sorry to ruin your fantasy
As far as ass worshipping the pros, please....I read articles to better myself or strive to be the best I can because someone inspired me to...I dont get turned on looking at men...do you? If you dont, then why are you bringing up thius subject. I know who I am and what I like and dont need you to validate or make other people judge me when they dont even know me....
Now, you are the one making yourself out to be the self righteous asshole....sorry had to say it...
Strictly Clitly? That's the best you could do?
And I never once mentioned that you had a sexual effinity for male bodybuilders, why did you bring it up? Are you a little sensitive about it?
You don't take anything constructive, you worship, nothing constructive comes from worshipping. As I said before, I can see how you would defend Chick under certain circumstances but to blindly defend Shawn Ray is ridiculous.
What the hell are you apologizing for? If you believe what you say and what you say doesn't cause anyone irrepairable harm who the hell cares?
I think you're a Pro worshipping doofus, that doesn't mean you're a bad person it just means you think the Pro's can do no wrong and that you'll defend them to the end, even if they let their mother get arrested and convicted of transporting their cocaine.
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I dont know Shawn Ray personally to judge him but I do know that when I met him, he treated me with respect.
Shawn was like a hero to me when I was growing up. I know that he is human and make mistakes just like me but what I dont think is right is when people on this board go on the bash Shawn Ray bandwagon or bash Ronnie bandwagon or bash Chick bandwagon...
Youre creating negativity to people that never really knew who these men are and making people judge them prematurely when they dont even know them...
Its like this is a high school playground...cliques and shit...Im so tired of people following the crowd
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Did you ever stop to think that yiou don't get responses to some question pose because:
A : These people don't give a shit what you two second rate Woodward and Bernsteins think.
b : They know no matter what answer they give you retards will never be satisfied, it's just more grist for the mill.
C : They don't have to tell you shit, it's none of your business really.
Sorry dude I didn't go to college,
A. what is Woodward and Bernsteins mean.
B. And yes they do care what I say. Cause why do you think they argue with me so much. Cause I do know what I am talking about. They know I have done things that no one else on here has done. And what is grist.
C. And you are right it is none of my business but when these things that are bad come out on a public forum that 20,000+ people see a day, they it becomes others business cause they are the ones who pay. You have to understand the IFBB is being scuntnized even more than ever cause of the PDI. Everything they do bad now will be exploded till it is explained. It is a fact the the IFBB does not take care of their members. Now, their history is catching up and people are leaving. You just need to face the facts. I am one of themany on here who refuse to let this crap get shoved under the carpet like it has for the past many years.
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again..you are judging me and you dont even personally know me...youre ignorant ieffinhatecardio....
ill pray for you...you need to pray for me too cause im going to use this hate to demolish the weights at the gym... ;)
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what we should do is do a collection and give it to Ron so he can make a fund for some bodybuilders who arent doing too great....people complain about this and that but dont want to help rectify the situation.
Im willing to donate $20 for a worthy cause to help a bodybuilder who isnt fortunate. If more people that cared stepped forward, we can make this pot grow and help someone who truly needs it...just like how Denise Newman was helped when he had luekemia
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I dont know Shawn Ray personally to judge him but I do know that when I met him, he treated me with respect.
Shawn was like a hero to me when I was growing up. I know that he is human and make mistakes just like me but what I dont think is right is when people on this board go on the bash Shawn Ray bandwagon or bash Ronnie bandwagon or bash Chick bandwagon...
Youre creating negativity to people that never really knew who these men are and making people judge them prematurely when they dont even know them...
Its like this is a high school playground...cliques and shit...Im so tired of people following the crowd
If I remember correctly Chick was well liked on this board until he started talking as if he were standing on Mt. Olympus. Then he was given that win at that fake show and everything exploded, especially since no one on Chick's side would admit Jeffer's looked better. Before those things happened Chick got on quite well.
I haven't read any real bashing of Coleman, in fact most people agree he's a freak of nature. The thing I hear most is his stomach, and in my opinion everyone has a right to talk about his stomach, it's huge.
Lee, Coleman, Jeffers, Levrone, Cutler and more have posted here without incident yet no one ever mentions that.
Why?
As for Shawn Ray, well he's a different story. His transgressions are well documented and if you want to worship such a man because he was nice to you when you met him well that's your issue but don't expect to get a free ride because of it.
youre ignorant ieffinhatecardio
You can call me a lot of things and be correct but ignorant isn't one of them.
Denise Newman was helped when he had luekemia
His name is Dennis Newman. Denise is a woman's name.
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Sorry dude I didn't go to college,
A. what is Woodward and Bernsteins mean.
B. And yes they do care what I say. Cause why do you think they argue with me so much. Cause I do know what I am talking about. They know I have done things that no one else on here has done. And what is grist.
C. And you are right it is none of my business but when these things that are bad come out on a public forum that 20,000+ people see a day, they it becomes others business cause they are the ones who pay. You have to understand the IFBB is being scuntnized even more than ever cause of the PDI. Everything they do bad now will be exploded till it is explained. It is a fact the the IFBB does not take care of their members. Now, their history is catching up and people are leaving. You just need to face the facts. I am one of themany on here who refuse to let this crap get shoved under the carpet like it has for the past many years.
Woodward and Bernstein were the reporters who broke the Watergate story.
Grist for the mill = fuel for the fire
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I dont know Shawn Ray personally to judge him but I do know that when I met him, he treated me with respect.
Shawn was like a hero to me when I was growing up. I know that he is human and make mistakes just like me but what I dont think is right is when people on this board go on the bash Shawn Ray bandwagon or bash Ronnie bandwagon or bash Chick bandwagon...
Youre creating negativity to people that never really knew who these men are and making people judge them prematurely when they dont even know them...
Its like this is a high school playground...cliques and shit...Im so tired of people following the crowd
Jerry not sure how old you are bet I am pretty sure it is under 25. I have the same mentality as you do when it comes to how people talk about others. I had many and I mean many people tell me about Sean adn don't bring him here and so on and so on. But, he too was someone I liked and admired and wanted him at my show. He didn't anything to me, I never met him. That is how I usually think of anyone. They might have been a dick to you but they haven't done anything to me. So I almost always give the person the benefit of the doubt. As long as everything is cool and they don't screw me then we're friends and I'll do whatever to help them and support them. And I still do that. As much as Kevin and Issac fuck with me on here, they really haven't done anything to me. So, if we ever meet I'm just going to figure we're cool and be friends or whatever. But, when someone fucks with me and takes advantage of me and/or rips me off then all the shit changes. Certain things Sean did changed my attitude of him. And when I say shit I am not making shit up to make him sound bad. I mean why make shit up, there is plenty of facts out there already.
Chic has done nothing to me on here to hurt me or piss me off. I like Chic. I just don't like where his loyalty is either. But I understand it. Hopefully the PDI will kick ass fast so Chic can come over to the darkside before he gets fat and old. I been and spoke at almost every high school on Oahu and many more on the mainland. The schools loved me to come and speak to the kids cause I could relate and they would listen to me. I hate it more than anything when a weaker person is taken advantage of or when a big company takes advantage of people. I hate it with a passion. I have never been able to do anything about it with the IFBB, Manion or weiders till now with the PDI. Wayne doens't like what I am doing cause he is very laid back and just lets everything fall into place. But, I want the PDI to be successful in a big way cause it WILL destry the IFBB empire Manion and the Weiders.
Okay enough philosophy from me today. I gotta start bashing again.
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Woodward and Bernstein were the reporters who broke the Watergate story.
Grist for the mill = fuel for the fire
Thanks. I swear I thought the top one was a dressing you were calling me. When I see your name Groink it reminds me of a guy I went to school with Robert Giverink was his name. Funny guy.
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strictly clitly...
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Never heard that term before, but I like it!
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Talked to Phil. Check was redeposited on Monday.
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Gotta five credit where credit is due. You looked ok in those shots. A little too much of the "Village People" moustache though.
this coming from a dude who looks like he eats a dozen doughnuts for breakfast and looks like he's never been in a gym a day in his life.
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YEAH YOU SUCK KEVIN HORTON! ;D
Only female nipples though!
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this coming from a dude who looks like he eats a dozen doughnuts for breakfast and looks like he's never been in a gym a day in his life.
Unless you're referring to yourself, it should be "That coming from"
But having seen that amazing double biceps of yours it's clear you've never lifted anything other than a shit shovel. Too bad it didn't come with instructions, then your face wouldn't look so beat up.
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are you suggesting that Shawn Ray ran a charity event, dearth?
no, I'm suggesting Shawn stuck his foot in his big mouth and as usual fails to acknowledge it.
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I've seen your photos Kevin and you are good but your loyalty for the IFBB and hatred for what Wayne is doing gets me going. I hate people and companies that take advantage of others and reap in the riches while others suffer. And the IFBB, Manion and the Weiders fit this bill. So anything I can do to stop it I will. And supporting Wayne and his idea seems to be the best way to do it now.
Also, whoever called me flapjack is funnier than hell. I love that word.
I appreciate what you went through Keith and I don;t take any of the personal remarks people say here to heart, even when you wished me an early death and told me I was a crap photographer ::)
The only bad part about the insults is that it quickly ruins any valid and worthwhile discussions.
On a serious note, I don't hate Wayne. I spent quite some time with hime over the years at the NOC's, Olympia's and Euro Tours and we always had a great time.
My doubts over the PDI have nothing to do with me supporting the IFBB or FLEX etc. etc. they are based on simple logic - the "simple" reference will now have all the keyboard gangsters creaming their knickers thinking over one-liners!
The interest in competetive bodybuilding has been falling over the past ten years. Tickets to shows stay in the box office and promoters fail.
Is there room for another federation to succeed?
What does the PDI or any other future start-up organisation have to offer that the IFBB, NABBA etc. don't already supply?
Why are sponsors so reluctant to reveal their identity. Surely every day they are not known, means less publicity for them? Why are there no contact details for the shows in Europe?
I'd ask the same questions if it was Joe Blow starting up.
We've already had athletes have their preparations spoiled because of the cancellation of the Toronto show. They don't need anymore, whether they be IFBB. NABBA , the PDI or the Fat Fuckers of the UK Society?
You may not like the IFBB, NPC, etc. but they are still the best route for a competetive bodybuilder to make a living. The Olympia paid out the highest prize money in the history of the sport, and if my memory proves correct, no athlete has been fined since Wayne "left" ::)
Of course, it's easy to see the PDI as the underdog and want to support it, but a quick look at it's history shows a record of failure and lack of support. With no promoters or sponsors named, it's easy to assume that nothing has changed?
I will say that at least you've put your money where your mouth and heart is and tried to contribute to the sport which so I respect you for that. I have rather less for those who just sit on the side lines bitching about a business they know nothing of.
Good luck, good night
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You think Jay never won the Olympia because the IFBB is teaching him a lesson? Oh please!!
Dont you think that the sport could make more money if they made a marketable (white) Mr. Olympia?
Ronnie is from a different planet and out muscles Jay....
alot of people think jay should have won last yr! so just because you come on here and bla bla bla since your a ronnie fan , means squat!
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Shit Kevin I hope we aren't bonding. Anyway, no matter what anyone says including me, 240, Jack, Vinny or even Wayne, nothing matters till the day after the show. Then we will all see. The only thing is how much people talk bad about the PDI when no one has given it a chance. Look at Don King. He is the biggest rip off and true crimimnal there is, and he is also the best promter there is. Who cares what happened in the past with Wayne he is driven and determined to make the PDI great and I am supporting him.
Come on everyone, lets join hands! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! ;D ;D
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Onlyme. It really is Shawn Ray not Sean Ray. Unless Flex magazine and all the other publications have been spelling it wrong for years.
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Onlyme. It really is Shawn Ray not Sean Ray. Unless Flex magazine and all the other publications have been spelling it wrong for years.
Yes I know, but if you heard when he was in Denver doing a talk show they spelled his name wrong. Hence the reason I am doing it. It's a ritual with me now. For fun. Plus, he looks and acts more like a Sean.
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Heathy baby. I predict big things for him and ROCCO MEDIATE.
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Groink .....
A : These people don't give a shit what you two second rate Woodward and Bernsteins think.
Groink, I believe it has been evident that they do indeed "give a shit". And let's remember what Woodward and Bernsteins did to Nixon.
b : They know no matter what answer they give you retards will never be satisfied, it's just more grist for the mill.
I think that when truthful answers are given when initially asked, everyone is satisfied. Anything else eventually causes more hardships and downfalls for those who elect to hide the truth or keep it under wraps.
C : They don't have to tell you shit, it's none of your business really.
I kind of entirely agree with you here but this great site opens everything up for discussion and when people respond without factual responses, it initiates the snowball down the hill effect.
Honestly is always the best policy they say and conspiracy theories are always very interesting.
Except for the name calling, this has been a very interesting discussion, and if a problem with the funds did in fact exist, I'm am sure that the comments on this site will be remembered the next time out and eveyone will be treated with more respect and etc, etc, etc.
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Shit Kevin I hope we aren't bonding. Anyway, no matter what anyone says including me, 240, Jack, Vinny or even Wayne, nothing matters till the day after the show. Then we will all see. The only thing is how much people talk bad about the PDI when no one has given it a chance. Look at Don King. He is the biggest rip off and true crimimnal there is, and he is also the best promter there is. Who cares what happened in the past with Wayne he is driven and determined to make the PDI great and I am supporting him.
Come on everyone, lets join hands! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! ;D ;D
Maybe, but no hugging in public!
I'm not that much of a singer so I'll let you guys do the chanting.
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Shit Kevin I hope we aren't bonding. Anyway, no matter what anyone says including me, 240, Jack, Vinny or even Wayne, nothing matters till the day after the show. Then we will all see. The only thing is how much people talk bad about the PDI when no one has given it a chance. Look at Don King. He is the biggest rip off and true crimimnal there is, and he is also the best promter there is. Who cares what happened in the past with Wayne he is driven and determined to make the PDI great and I am supporting him.
Come on everyone, lets join hands! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! PDI! Grin Grin
Would have to agree with you on this one. If can produce the #s on a bbing scale vs boxing... then he should get support on the ventor. I read an article where as Don King's children said he only smiles when someone talks about money. Maybe someday I could co-promote with him... just wouldnt get in a fight on a street corner with the man.
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C : They don't have to tell you shit, it's none of your business really.
I kind of entirely agree with you here but this great site opens everything up for discussion and when people respond without factual responses, it initiates the snowball down the hill effect.
Honestly is always the best policy they say and conspiracy theories are always very interesting.
Except for the name calling, this has been a very interesting discussion, and if a problem with the funds did in fact exist, I'm am sure that the comments on this site will be remembered the next time out and eveyone will be treated with more respect and etc, etc, etc.
In general, I agree with both of you, but the people behind the show were the ones who opened the door to discussions about finances.
Granted, they are NOT obligated to answer the tough questions, but the fans/critics are within their rights to question certain things based on information put out there by the event organizers prior to the show.
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In general, I agree with both of you, but the people behind the show were the ones who opened the door to discussions about finances.
Granted, they are NOT obligated to answer the tough questions, but the fans/critics are within their rights to question certain things based on information put out there by the event organizers prior to the show.
This is where i disagree. If I were in the position of promoting a show and some internet heroes who have ZERO involvement in my show financially, promotionally or otherwise start making demands for me to disclose my financials.......I would tell them to go fvck themselves. They did nothing but rag on the show from the moment it was announced, they deserve nothing.
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Isn't everyone a foxhole Christian when the bombs are dropping?
More to the point I was trying to point out how pathetic Lucius is. Any pro not named Cutler and he's polishing their toenails, no matter how despicable the pro is.
I wonder if Jesus approves of worshipping such people.
Jealousy is such an ugly emotion. :-\
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Listen flapjack - I have never claimed to be a bodybuilder and yes I had no clue how to pose - I'd never done a show. However I have nothing to hide from, since you're so infatuated with me - I was 5'11" 168lbs - skinny as shit in bodybuilding terms but at least I can say I have abs - something you wouldn't know anything about. Here's another photo for your collection stalker.
You're still bigger than me ;D
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Jealousy is such an ugly emotion. :-\
I really don't want to get into a flame war with you again but I'm curious as to what it is exactly you have that you think I'm jealous of?
Please explain to me why I should be jealous of you.
Lend me a hand here, if I'm missing out on something I want to know what it is.
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I really don't want to get into a flame war with you again but I'm curious as to what it is exactly you have that you think I'm jealous of?
Please explain to me why I should be jealous of you.
Lend me a hand here, if I'm missing out on something I want to know what it is.
Look at my postcount and compare it to yours. ::)
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You're still bigger than me ;D
Yeah but you're a girl.
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Look at my postcount and compare it to yours. ::)
Excellent point, and I'm a little disappointed that I missed it. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Yeah but you're a girl.
No, I'm a guy. The name is Lucius, but it's often confused for luscious. ;D
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No, I'm a guy. The name is Lucius, but it's often confused for luscious. ;D
Come on now. You're just playing a little game.
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Excellent point, and I'm a little disappointed that I missed it. Thanks for setting me straight.
You're a cool guy. Let's be friends ;D
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he's probably got enough money
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Come on now. You're just playing a little game.
What do you mean? ???
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What do you mean? ???
You just seem very girlish to me. If you are actually a guy for real, you should man up a bit.
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You just seem very girlish to me. If you are actually a guy for real, you should man up a bit.
This is my real life personality. Many people have said that they thought that I was gay, including a few gay men. :-\ I'll admit that I do act a little fruity, though it's not done intentionally. At 5-9 1/2 and 160 pounds, there isn't that much testosterone coursing through my veins :-\
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Where's Shawn on this? ???
It's like He dissappeared. He used to chime in when ever He was being dragged through shit. Well Shawn, screw these rumors and set the facts straight. Your reputation as a promoter is at stake.
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This is the question
Still suspect. Why isn't the money in an escrow account specially for the prizes. Isn't all IFBB shows supposed to have the prize money in place prior to granting a sanction. Why does this show have more than one account (except for an additonal account for the prize money). I don't understand why there is more than one account. It is not standard business practice for an even like this for multiple accounts. All that does is make it more confusing and harder to account for receivables and payables. This is not how you do it. Sorry. All the fancy sugar coating does not hide the fact that there was no money in the account to cover the checks at the time they were cashed. Something isn't being told. And were there any fees any of these checks caused the payee. Sorry, but unless their computer system completely crashed the day all these checks just s happen to come through yet other were cashed is suspect. Did the check to the convention center bounce. Guaranteed NO. Did the Hummer check bounce, guaranteed NO. It seems that just the prize money bounced. Odd isn't it.
Keith's lost post. How about some answers.
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This is the question
Still suspect. Why isn't the money in an escrow account specially for the prizes. Isn't all IFBB shows supposed to have the prize money in place prior to granting a sanction. Why does this show have more than one account (except for an additonal account for the prize money). I don't understand why there is more than one account. It is not standard business practice for an even like this for multiple accounts. All that does is make it more confusing and harder to account for receivables and payables. This is not how you do it. Sorry. All the fancy sugar coating does not hide the fact that there was no money in the account to cover the checks at the time they were cashed. Something isn't being told. And were there any fees any of these checks caused the payee. Sorry, but unless their computer system completely crashed the day all these checks just s happen to come through yet other were cashed is suspect. Did the check to the convention center bounce. Guaranteed NO. Did the Hummer check bounce, guaranteed NO. It seems that just the prize money bounced. Odd isn't it.
Keith's lost post. How about some answers.
I think two of the checks cashed, which must mean that the money was all in different accounts. But why?
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I'll admit that I do act a little fruity, though it's not done intentionally. At 5-9 1/2 and 160 pounds, there isn't that much testosterone coursing through my veins
Does anyone here actually lift? :D
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Does anyone here actually lift? :D
A few people do. Or at least that's the rumor going around ;D
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At 5-9 1/2 and 160 pounds...
I bet you're ripped.
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Why isn't the money in an escrow account specially for the prizes. Isn't all IFBB shows supposed to have the prize money in place prior to granting a sanction?
Check the rule on that - I thought all the prize money had to be in place at least 6 months in advance, but maybe it was only 50%. The general public doesn't know the specifics, because it's really only pertinent to the IFBB promoters.
That being said, if Vyotech is writing checks to prize winners, then there is a fundamental problem with the way the event financing was handled. The sponsors should write checks to the organizers (and each pro-level show or promotional group should be incorporated), and then the prize money should be paid from the show's corporate account. I believe Shawn & Jeff's company is Colorado Pro Show, Inc., is it not?
Maybe it works for them, but the show corp really should handle the winners' payouts.
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This is the question
Still suspect. Why isn't the money in an escrow account specially for the prizes. Isn't all IFBB shows supposed to have the prize money in place prior to granting a sanction. Why does this show have more than one account (except for an additonal account for the prize money). I don't understand why there is more than one account. It is not standard business practice for an even like this for multiple accounts. All that does is make it more confusing and harder to account for receivables and payables. This is not how you do it. Sorry. All the fancy sugar coating does not hide the fact that there was no money in the account to cover the checks at the time they were cashed. Something isn't being told. And were there any fees any of these checks caused the payee. Sorry, but unless their computer system completely crashed the day all these checks just s happen to come through yet other were cashed is suspect. Did the check to the convention center bounce. Guaranteed NO. Did the Hummer check bounce, guaranteed NO. It seems that just the prize money bounced. Odd isn't it.
Keith's lost post. How about some answers.
The only thing suspect here, is the ability to READ from some of you...
May 19, 2006
Colorado Pro Show Inc.
Attention: Edward Rickles
Re: US Bank Checking Account
Dear Mr. Rickles:
Please accept our sincere apologies for the following checks that were returned in error due to a systems problem on May 18th 2006. Please note that all service charges incurred will be reversed.
Check number 1024 for $25,000.00
1027 for $5,000.00
1017 for $250.00
1042 for $275.00
1047 for $400.00
1039 for $1,000.00
1014 for $1,000.00
1035 for $2,000.00
1034 for $3,000.00
1048 for $3,500.00
1040 for $3,500.00
Your relationship is very important to US bank Andee apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need further assistance.
Sincerely,
Lisa Kaplan
Vice President and Branch Manager
Report to moderator 24.130.37.211
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Dont you guys get it. Bank error. Money was there. Phil redeposited the check. Done deal.
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US bank is as bad as B of A..
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No where in that letter does it say "sorry for the mishap, you had plenty of money in the account to pay the checks and somehow our computers fucked up and every winner didn't get paid and a couple of your helpers."
That is the problem with that letter and in addition that is not a letter from anyone. It has been asked repeatedly where the actual letter is from the bank. Scan it and post it. Like I said all the along, it might have been a bank error but it is an erro easily preventable if their was money in the account to begin with and transfer of funds to cover checks was not needed and the prize money was orginally placed in an escrow account. Very Simple. I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU TWO CANNOT NOT READ. Bank error bank smrror it means nothing because if you had the money in the account to begin with no problem would have happened. Why when the IFBB writes the checks for the winners like the Charlotte Pro they are fine. When they don't reqiure the promoter of the COlorado Peo to guarantee funds everything gets fucked up. They should have been able to go to the bank on Monday and get cold hard cash. Now over a week later they can finally redeposit the checks. Face it the IFBB DOES NOT follow their owns rules and again the athletes are the ones who suffer. Nothing has changed. And Chic you are my buddy but I am telling you arefighting a losing battle with these guys. You were one of the favorite BB's out there and now it's 50/50 cause of the crap you have had to put up with being the rep. Get out while you still can. Drop some size and kick ass in Hollywood. The money is better the fame is beter and whenyou get your own trailer yo'll love it. I did!
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Dont you guys get it. Bank error. Money was there. Phil redeposited the check. Done deal.
Obviously, many people here dont and never will. Its sad and getting realllly boring.
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No where in that letter does it say "sorry for the mishap, you had plenty of money in the account to pay the checks and somehow our computers fucked up and every winner didn't get paid and a couple of your helpers."
That is the problem with that letter and in addition that is not a letter from anyone. It has been asked repeatedly where the actual letter is from the bank. Scan it and post it. Like I said all the along, it might have been a bank error but it is an erro easily preventable if their was money in the account to begin with and transfer of funds to cover checks was not needed and the prize money was orginally placed in an escrow account. Very Simple. I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU TWO CANNOT NOT READ. Bank error bank smrror it means nothing because if you had the money in the account to begin with no problem would have happened. Why when the IFBB writes the checks for the winners like the Charlotte Pro they are fine. When they don't reqiure the promoter of the COlorado Peo to guarantee funds everything gets fucked up. They should have been able to go to the bank on Monday and get cold hard cash. Now over a week later they can finally redeposit the checks. Face it the IFBB DOES NOT follow their owns rules and again the athletes are the ones who suffer. Nothing has changed. And Chic you are my buddy but I am telling you arefighting a losing battle with these guys. You were one of the favorite BB's out there and now it's 50/50 cause of the crap you have had to put up with being the rep. Get out while you still can. Drop some size and kick ass in Hollywood. The money is better the fame is beter and whenyou get your own trailer yo'll love it. I did!
What happened to you lately, you dont ever get off the hate train.
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What happened to you lately, you dont ever get off the hate train.
What hate train. I am just asking questions and making very valid points. Also, who is Mr. Rickles. Shouldn't the apology be made to Sean since he was the promoter and was he not in charge of the finances. I hope it wasn't Don Rickles, though funny I think he is dead.
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US Bank redeposited the check this past Monday. Everything should go through soon.
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US Bank redeposited the check this past Monday. Everything should go through soon.
Phil, you oughta give Shawn the 'gift' of a black eye for making you wait 3 weeks for your money!
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US Bank redeposited the check this past Monday. Everything should go through soon.
Phil, bro, nobody cares when the check cleared.... we want to know what phat ride you are going to buy with those dollar bills? May I suggest something small and silver? Begins with the letter "C" and ends with the letter "c" :o ;D
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Phil, bro, nobody cares when the check cleared.... we want to know what phat ride you are going to buy with those dollar bills? May I suggest something small and silver? Begins with the letter "C" and ends with the letter "c" :o ;D
Civic?
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Civic?
Hell yeah.. bling bling!!
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Ok Mark, but can I get a Hybrid Civic instead, I need the deductions on my taxes lol. :)
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Ok Mark, but can I get a Hybrid Civic instead, I need the deductions on my taxes lol. :)
I don't think you have to pay taxes on that 25k if that check never clears ;)
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Hell yeah.. bling bling!!
Is that "The Squad"
Phil should get a yamaha crotch rocket ;D
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hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa, look at the one on the far left in the black shorts.
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Get the Toyota Prius. $5,000 more than the Honda with all the extras but gets more ride per gallon of fuel. The claim 60 miles per gallon under perfect conditions but one Prius owner claims she is getting more like 42 on the open road.
Congrats, BTW.
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you can get a good 1983 biodiesel classic mercedes for 5,000 dollars cash and do something else with the 20 G.
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I bet you're ripped.
Nope, not really ;D
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Phil tried to cash the wrong check :-[
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what had happened was...
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Phil tried to cash the wrong check :-[
What do you mean?
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Phil tried to cash the wrong check :-[
who's the bear in the black/white? and is that senator kerry on the right?
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The Big one onstage was for photo's the small one in the Envelope was for the Bank :-\
Cutler had the same problem at the Olympia last year with this one :o
Honest mistake, we will have to kill the Oversized Checks, they are only for show :-*
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The Big one onstage was for photo's the small one in the Envelope was for the Bank :-\
Cutler had the same problem at the Olympia last year with this one :o
Honest mistake, we will have to kill the Oversized Checks, they are only for show :-*
Are you serious, Shawn? ;D
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No, just having fun.
Phil knows the deal with his check and the bank. I just like the Hater's here who think they are in the know. Me and Phil are cool with each other, always have been, his check got caught up in Cyber Space which is no one fault but the attention it got here on the boards is laughable, he agrees which is why I find it amusing people trying to make something out of nothing and our primary is laughing all the way to the bank!
Hey Phil, can you spare a dime :-[
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I always thought this is what Lift and Ron looked like...
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I always thought this is what Lift and Ron looked like...
You dated yourself by posting that pic. How old are you, 60? ;D
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No, just having fun.
Phil knows the deal with his check and the bank. I just like the Hater's here who think they are in the know. Me and Phil are cool with each other, always have been, his check got caught up in Cyber Space which is no one fault but the attention it got here on the boards is laughable, he agrees which is why I find it amusing people trying to make something out of nothing and our primary is laughing all the way to the bank!
Hey Phil, can you spare a dime :-[
Was just wondering about the other 9 checks. And did you pay the bank fee for the bounced check from their bank. I have always found it intersting how you downplay everything. I'm sure the other competitors are all cool with you too and your interesting way of paying the winners. Like you said awhile back, hopefully the other promoters will learn how to promote from you. I think you did a great job. EXACTLY like I called it. You are a Living Legend. The IFBB is very proud of you bysticking to their way of doing business. I applaud you Sean.
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Shawn, I DARE you to deny that at least 2 out of 3 of you holding that arnold check don't have an erection.
you're all looking at jay's package.
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No, just having fun.
Phil knows the deal with his check and the bank. I just like the Hater's here who think they are in the know. Me and Phil are cool with each other, always have been, his check got caught up in Cyber Space which is no one fault but the attention it got here on the boards is laughable, he agrees which is why I find it amusing people trying to make something out of nothing and our primary is laughing all the way to the bank!
Hey Phil, can you spare a dime :-[
You're too funny bro and what's up with your front dbl bi bro lol?