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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: gymrat75 on May 31, 2006, 08:23:25 PM
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Do you think he could take Chuck Lidell if he moved back up to light heavy weight? The guys is just dominating!
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Do you think he could take Chuck Lidell if he moved back up to light heavy weight? The guys is just dominating!
Yes.
I think he is more well rounded than Liddell, but if Liddell caught him with a few it'd be hard to recover. I have seen Rich recover very quickly though.
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I really think Rich is at the top of his game, but Chuck is on an entirely different planet imo!
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Rich Franklin only loss
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4356821941886452328&q=Ryoto+Machida
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Franklin is amazing, very well rounded but fighting Liddell is an entirely different beast.
I don't see him winning, Liddell is far too powerful a puncher and his sprawling skills a incredible.
As good as Franklin is he's not on Liddell's level.
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Liddell would win.
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there's a reason he dropped down to middleweight which makes less than light heavyweights
he didn't think he could beat chuck or randy
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Wonder where he got the nickname "Ace" from? He does favor Jim Carrey = Ace Ventura. I could see his buds giving him sh*t about that one and he just rolled with it and kept "Ace!"
I like Rich's game, very well rounded champion.
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Wonder where he got the nickname "Ace" from? He does favor Jim Carrey = Ace Ventura. I could see his buds giving him sh*t about that one and he just rolled with it and kept "Ace!"
I like Rich's game, very well rounded champion.
That is where he got it, from Ace Ventura pet detective... Or so he said in a recent interview.
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Franklin has an amazing recovery rate and has dominated just about everybody he has been against. He has improved to a point where he is now as close to unbeatable at MW as can be. However Chuck has KO power in both hands, elbows, knees and feet and would simply maul him. There isnt a guy i can think of right now that would beat Chuck Liddell, especially if he is on his game. When Joe Rogan said he had the power to knock out a horse he wasnt lying
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I think there are plenty of pride middleweights that would beat liddell
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I think Lidell is overrated. I don't think he'll last long. I think he would get killed in Pride. He doesn't have a very good stand-up defense(his defense against take-downs is superb), and he just throws a barrage of power hits until something connects. Someone will figure out his game and take him out. The quality of fighters in the UFC isn't very good IMO.
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I think Lidell is overrated. I don't think he'll last long. I think he would get killed in Pride. He doesn't have a very good stand-up defense(his defense against take-downs is superb), and he just throws a barrage of power hits until something connects. Someone will figure out his game and take him out. The quality of fighters in the UFC isn't very good IMO.
I agree entirely. In Pride Lidell would not be a champion.
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How true. Lidell would not last a round in Pride.
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ring wouldnt suit him as good as a cage but he would be up there with the best. i think chuck would win a re-match against rampage. chuck ko'ed renato sebral in 2003 who later went and won against mauricio shogun rua... so the difference isnt as big as you make it seem.
wanderlei would probably wanna stand toe to toe and fight then he would be in trouble. and arona would have to take chuck down.
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chuck would be a serious threat to any pride light heavyweight - rampage beat him true - but i would pick chuck in a rematch - just my 2 cents ;D
Chuck did beat some top level fighters over past few years and won
Randy Couture twice
Tito Ortiz
Jeremy Horn
Renato Sobral
Vitor Belfort
not bad for being overrated
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chuck would be a serious threat to any pride light heavyweight - rampage beat him true - but i would pick chuck in a rematch - just my 2 cents ;D
Chuck did beat some top level fighters over past few years and won
Randy Couture twice
Tito Ortiz
Jeremy Horn
Renato Sobral
Vitor Belfort
not bad for being overrated
All poor strikers with the exception of Belfort(sort of......he doesn't kick)
Put him against a good striker and he'll lose sooner than later.
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no kidding - every striker will lose sooner or later
ask Cro-cop
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he beat them and won? What the fuck does that mean lol
Chuck in the octagon would beat any guy Pride has to offer, even if he has to lose to them on another night. Randy set the standards for "dirty" boxing so you cant say he is a poor striker. Vitor is probably the best striker around but he is about 50% of what he used to be - however that 50% is still good enough to be top 10 in the world IMO. Tito can strike, but his GnP is exceptional. Chuck went in and literally owned every one of these fighters, put Rampage in the UFC and he will lose im telling you.
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he beat them and won? What the f**k does that mean lol
sorry for that mistake Mr Perfect ;D
don't have time to proof read when your suppose to be working - lol
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I don't see how a ring would be a negative for Liddell, he is primarily a striker.. True he uses the cage to stand up, but he would be able to adjust fairly quickly.
This is just fanboy talk, Liddell would never go to pride and no top pride fighter will ever go to the UFC. But to Chuck's credit, he beat Overream, who is a fairly good striker (although he gassed horribly in that fight).
I'd put money on Silva/Shogun/Arona and lil nog to beat Liddell. But in reality Liddell could KO these guys just as much as he could be KO'ed.
I do think he'd beat Rampage in a rematch, he has gone downhill.
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I'd put money on Silva/Shogun/Arona and lil nog to beat Liddell. But in reality Liddell could KO these guys just as much as he could be KO'ed.
I agree 100% - but most mma fans are silva nuthuggers and don't give chuck his due
Vitor knock out Silva don't see any reason why Chuck could not do the same - would luv to see that fight but it's never going to happen
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As i said, Chuck would beat any guy at his best. Maybe he would have to fight them twice, i.e. Horn and Randy, but he would knock the fuck out of them eventually. Hes getting better and better
man what id give to see Vitor back to 100%. I thought he was goping to smash through Ortiz after the 1st round but he gassed and almost gave up. I dont know what his problem is, but a 100% Vitor would be good enough to dismantle any fighter on the planet
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As i said, Chuck would beat any guy at his best. Maybe he would have to fight them twice, i.e. Horn and Randy, but he would knock the f**k out of them eventually. Hes getting better and better
man what id give to see Vitor back to 100%. I thought he was goping to smash through Ortiz after the 1st round but he gassed and almost gave up. I dont know what his problem is, but a 100% Vitor would be good enough to dismantle any fighter on the planet
what a trus statement Vitor at 100 % is great but so is every other athelete no one is 100 % all the time Vitor needs to get his head on straight and he will be a champ and imo Rich would try to stand with Chuck and get KO'ed in the second round IMO
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vitor has been called the "phenom" since he came on to the scene
why does everybody still think he has this enormous potential?
maybe he's just not that good
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i think chuck can be beat if you stand up and throw with him, but no one seems to do that. atack him quickly. however he is really good at throwing from weird positions.
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vitor has been called the "phenom" since he came on to the scene
why does everybody still think he has this enormous potential?
maybe he's just not that good
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cos when he was even a teenager he was deemed unbeatable. Nobody came close until randy beat him but his personal life has made him go downhill. if he fought the 21 year old version of himself he would get humiliated and destroyed, as would almost anyone
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cos when he was even a teenager he was deemed unbeatable. Nobody came close until randy beat him but his personal life has made him go downhill. if he fought the 21 year old version of himself he would get humiliated and destroyed, as would almost anyone
his personal life didn't help but i don't buy into that being the reason he hasn't lived up to expectations
he just wasn't good enough
people expected him to be great because he started so young, like he can only improve ::)
it doesn't work that way, some people are early bloomers and hit their peak very early
whatever happened to that Bojado kid who was in the boxing pro ranks at 17? eevrybody called him the next big thing and I haven't even heard of him after he lost like his 9th pro fight
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his personal life didn't help but i don't buy into that being the reason he hasn't lived up to expectations
he just wasn't good enough
people expected him to be great because he started so young, like he can only improve ::)
it doesn't work that way, some people are early bloomers and hit their peak very early
whatever happened to that Bojado kid who was in the boxing pro ranks at 17? eevrybody called him the next big thing and I haven't even heard of him after he lost like his 9th pro fight
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yes it must be very easy putting everything into a fight when his sister(?) was kidnapped or whatever happened, personally I agree with scimowser.. he would own most fighters
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put yourself in his shoes, his sister was kidnapped and then murdered, but you go through life not knowing about it until the police tell you some years later that she is infact dead. During that time people make prank calls to your house telling you they have found her, that shes dead and wont be found. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a guy like Vitor - the only bread winner in his family - to focus on fights. He openly admitted he couldnt train and was only 50% for his fights.
The only guy who really beat him was Randy, but Randy beat everybody. He lost a decision against Sak, then one to Chuck but was still 14-3 in MMA. Hell even Chuck didnt have a perfect record
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yes it must be very easy putting everything into a fight when his sister(?) was kidnapped or whatever happened, personally I agree with scimowser.. he would own most fighters
based on what?
his sister is now known to be dead lets see what he does against overeem
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that'll make it better for him then
"oh Vitor, by the way, your sister IS actually dead mate so go and win that fight like a good lad"
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that'll make it better for him then
"oh Vitor, by the way, your sister IS actually dead mate so go and win that fight like a good lad"
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Better than not knowing whether you sister is tied up in some sick perverts basement and suffering.
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yeah he has no more excuses now that she is known to be dead
he's not the only fighter that has lost a close family member
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yeah he has no more excuses now that she is known to be dead
he's not the only fighter that has lost a close family member
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true, but how many fighters have lost someone theyre very close to in such ahigh profile way? Its bad enough losing them with time to mourn, he was constantly harrassed about it. All im saying is it is a wonder he still fights, he'll never be the same man in the ring
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vitor just lost unanimous decision to overeem
he is and always was overrated
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thanks for the spoiler arsehole
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spoiler? this fight isn't on tv
plus if you went to sherdog for your mma news instead of this dead board you would've saw for yourself
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Supposedly it was a very boring fight too.
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i dont go on sherdog and i know it wasnt on TV. I was looking forward to finding the result out for myself
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i dont go on sherdog and i know it wasnt on TV. I was looking forward to finding the result out for myself
so you wanted to read about it somewhere other than here ???
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