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Both at their best
A virtual pose down would help
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I'd say Lee Labrada, but then a moustache ranks high in my book, although I know the judges shouldn't award it, I'm sure they do, even if unintentionally.
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Damn I didn't find many pictures where he got a 'stash, no wonder he didn't place higher.
Here's a few pictures, mayne some of you photoshopgeeks can put up a posedown, Shawn Ray photos I leave for someone else
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:D
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In all the Olympias they did together (5 Olympias) Lee defeated Shawn in 4 and lost in 1 (1993 Lee’s Last Olympia)
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shawn ray had equal aesthectics and symmetry with superior mass. for these reasons, he wins hands down.
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s.ray no contest
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Hmm, I'm gonna have to give it to Lee here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/dorian01/labradavsray.jpg)
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Shawn was had the same lines and conditioning as LeBrada but his musculature was a tad bit more. Shawn had some of the best lats ever when he did his Rear Dbl Bicep pose.And his chest was better than Lee's
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Agree , Shawn Ray. Even though it would be very close. Just think Shawn would outmuscle Lee ;D
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shawn, although lee was awesome. shawn just had too much muscle. i think i would give it to lee for the posing tho.
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lee looks short standing by himself . . . Ray doesn't. strange.
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Who has the real pics enough with the bubble heads!
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Lee's aesthetics are slightly better, but Shawn has more muscle.
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Shawn Ray.
More mass, better definition, better symmetry and a head which isn`t too big
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This one's a tough call. Someone needs to post good comparison pics.
I'd give a slight edge to Shawn Ray though, he was fuller and had more muscle.
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lee is a better poser. Shawn is baldy!
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Labrada had the best moustache. Especially for porn movies. The pizza delivery man role was especially made for him.
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shawn ray kills labrada in any posedown
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Both at their best
A virtual pose down would help
No question: Labrada. Plus I saw him pose @ the Ironman cira 93'. Best poser I ever saw. He would make Melvin A look stupid, that good.
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Shawn Ray won one pro show: The Arnold Classic
Here's Labrada's list of wins:
1986
Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1987
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
World Pro Championships - IFBB, 2nd
1988
Grand Prix England - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Greece - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1989
Grand Prix England - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, Winner
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1990
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1991
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1992
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1993
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 2nd
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 2nd
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1995
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
If we go by who's actually has WON more pro shows then it's clear that Labrada owns Shawn all day. If you argue that Shawn placed in the top five at the olympia for however many times realize that Labrada was in the top five of the Olympia for quite some time as well. No contest, Labrada's the man.
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I think Lee's abs have been etched
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watched him in the 92 Olympia where he finished ahead of Shawn. His posing wasnt that good and Shawn owned everyone in the comp that year IMO. Labrada won more because he competed in the small shows against second rate opposition. Shawn competed against, and soundly beat, the best in the world for 15 years. Politics robbed him of Mr O wins, and theres no doubt he was easily the better BBer
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Shawn Ray won one pro show: The Arnold Classic
correction. he officially won TWO contests. the 1990 Ironman and the 91 ASC. and don't forget that he originally won the 90' ASC as well before he was DQ'ed for failing the drug test, which was retarded. let's not forget his longevity as well. he competed in the IFBB for 13 years (and retired prematurely IMO).
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Lee Labrada has a better natural structue is better proportioned. he never placed below 5th in a Pro contest and won 5 more shows than Ray !! in the 5 times Labrada & Ray met Lee beat him 4 times and in my opinion Labrada was a better poser , Labrada all the way .
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I will say of the two, Lee was the un-crowned Mr. O. He was robbed in 90 I believe it was.
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I will say of the two, Lee was the un-crowned Mr. O. He was robbed in 90 I believe it was.
It could have went either way in 89 as well but 1990 Labrada was ON !! and unlike Shawn Ray he never once bitched about his placing a true professional in every sense of the word .
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Labrada had clearly a better physique than Ray.. No comparison.. Labrada was tier 1, Ray was tier 2
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=74007.0;attach=81161;image)
no question.
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No question: Labrada. Plus I saw him pose @ the Ironman cira 93'. Best poser I ever saw. He would make Melvin A look stupid, that good.
Agreed, anyone ever see Mohammed Makkawy pose? Saw him live and IMO was the best ever. Anyone have him on tape somewhere?
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Agreed, anyone ever see Mohammed Makkawy pose? Saw him live and IMO was the best ever. Anyone have him on tape somewhere?
I trained with him when I was a kid training at Bill Pearls in pasadena. He used to pose after every workout!
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I trained with him when I was a kid training at Bill Pearls in pasadena. He used to pose after every workout!
Really? I always thought he looked great. He really came into his own in the early 80's. Got a lot leaner and started to win some shows. I guess Vince Gironda helped him with his training and diet, is that correct? Do you no what ever happened to him? I know he made a comeback in 97.
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Really? I always thought he looked great. He really came into his own in the early 80's. Got a lot leaner and started to win some shows. I guess Vince Gironda helped him with his training and diet, is that correct? Do you no what ever happened to him? I know he made a comeback in 97.
When I trained with him I was 16 and Bill was helping him at that time, it's funny because at that time he couldn't have weighed much more than 175lbs and i thought he was huge. Last I heard, he was in Toronto either personal training or he owned a gym, I can't quite remember but he was doing well!
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Some of you guys are crazy...Labrada was great in his day but not as great as Shawn Ray!!
Lee Haney called Lee Labrada, "Flea" Labrada. As for Shawn Ray..Lee Haney believed that Shawn will/would be Mr. Olympia one day....these were the words of Lee Haney about Shawn Ray....
I agree, Shawn retired prematurely. He is and will always be one of the greats...as is Labrada
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i would rather look like lee than sha
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I have to give it to Shawn.
Although Shawn is an inch or so taller, it seemed like more when they were side-by-side. This gave the "illusion factor" to Shawn throughout. I don't know what their weights were, but Ray seemed fuller, more dense. Lee seemed as long through the torso, but his legs appeared shorter with less volume.
Early on in their respective careers, Lee had him. However, after Shawn really upped his back, I felt he had it over Lee a number of times.
But Lee was great. A thinking man's bobybuilder who beat much more genetically gifted guys with proper approach and great work ethic.
And I still believe he had Haney in 89' and 90'.
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Labradas physique would be one of the best all time, Mr Ray good but not in that class.
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Lee Labrada has a better natural structue is better proportioned. he never placed below 5th in a Pro contest and won 5 more shows than Ray !! in the 5 times Labrada & Ray met Lee beat him 4 times and in my opinion Labrada was a better poser , Labrada all the way .
lee or flex wheeler? who's your top bb of all time?
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I saw labrada guest pose back in 88/89. He was a real class act. While not massive his proportion was amazing. I also have to say that his posing was out of this world. The best of his generation. :)
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i would rather look like lee than sha
Monster short form on names
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Labrada had clearly a better physique than Ray.. No comparison.. Labrada was tier 1, Ray was tier 2
tier 2? thats the dumbest shit i've ever heard.
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Labrada had clearly a better physique than Ray.. No comparison.. Labrada was tier 1, Ray was tier 2
Ray is not a tier 2 BBer. He'd have a sandow or 2 if it weren't for an English construction worker. Let's not get silly here.
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Ray is not a tier 2 BBer. He'd have a sandow or 2 if it weren't for an English construction worker. Let's not get silly here.
IF IF IF IF IF.. guess what he didn't.. SR=Nothing special.. won two (disqualified once) in over 15 years of competition...overated and thats being kind to the boy..
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Shawn Ray of couse.
No Comparison.
Labrada had no legs, no mass.
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In posing ability I would say they are dead even. Both are some of the greatest posers ever easily (IMO). Superior structure is Lee's advantage where muscularity is Shawns. Both have completely different builds. I am fans of both. I sure solved a lot with this post. ;)
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Shawn Ray of couse.
No Comparison.
Labrada had no legs, no mass.
Lee has mass for his size, he turned pro at 176 1/4 (middleweight) and never competed over 185-90 as a pro and is a couple inches shorter than Shawn Lee learned to refine and detail his physique without losing his great symmetry.......BUT, Shawn turned pro as a Lt. Hvy and never competed at more than 205-210lbs. He, like Lee new how to add size without losing symmetry.....so IMO, it comes down to structure and I personally think Shawn has him, Lee is just a little too narrow but Shawn has the overall package with little if any flaws....got to give it to Shawn!
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Shawn Ray, no doubt.
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labrada and by quite a distance. top 6 bodybuilders ever (arnold,ron,haney,sergio,yates,labrada) zane ray and kevin are all top 10 too
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Shawn Ray.
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No question: Labrada. Plus I saw him pose @ the Ironman cira 93'. Best poser I ever saw. He would make Melvin A look stupid, that good.
Spot on. No one has ever surpassed Labrada's posing - out of this world is the only way to describe it, improved over Makkawy too (and Makkawy was a fantastic poser). A whole new level compared to Shawn. Physiquewise it's close but you have to give it to Lee. Results between the two tell the story and Lee was just that much better balanced and had a superior structure. Look at the front lat pic someone posted, Shawn couldn't touch that.
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Can someone tell what`s so great about Schwarzenegger ?
In his days, ok, but compared to todays bodybuilder he looks like shit.
Bad - very bad symmetry, bad definition etc.
Even I`m from Schwarzeneggers home country I can`t see something special, except his biceps, which overpowers his whole body.
Again, great in his time, but nowadays he would struggle to win a newcomer championship in Austria.
Ridiculous to see him amongst the best 10 of all time
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I have respected Lee Labrada since I started BBing.
But honestly Shawn is better.
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I have respected Lee Labrada since I started BBing.
But honestly Shawn is better.
I have to agree with you on this one, good call!
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Can someone tell what`s so great about Schwarzenegger ?
In his days, ok, but compared to todays bodybuilder he looks like shit.
Bad - very bad symmetry, bad definition etc.
Even I`m from Schwarzeneggers home country I can`t see something special, except his biceps, which overpowers his whole body.
Again, great in his time, but nowadays he would struggle to win a newcomer championship in Austria.
Ridiculous to see him amongst the best 10 of all time
you have no idea what you're talking about, none sir
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you have no idea what you're talking about, none sir
I concure!
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you have no idea what you're talking about, none sir
Indeed, the most retarded post i have read in weeks :D
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Can someone tell what`s so great about Schwarzenegger ?
In his days, ok, but compared to todays bodybuilder he looks like shit.
Bad - very bad symmetry, bad definition etc.
Even I`m from Schwarzeneggers home country I can`t see something special, except his biceps, which overpowers his whole body.
Again, great in his time, but nowadays he would struggle to win a newcomer championship in Austria.
Ridiculous to see him amongst the best 10 of all time
lol man you have some of the worst genetics for bodybuilding and you are picking on the greatest one of them all??? get bent!
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Can someone tell what`s so great about Schwarzenegger ?
In his days, ok, but compared to todays bodybuilder he looks like shit.
Bad - very bad symmetry, bad definition etc.
Even I`m from Schwarzeneggers home country I can`t see something special, except his biceps, which overpowers his whole body.
Again, great in his time, but nowadays he would struggle to win a newcomer championship in Austria.
Ridiculous to see him amongst the best 10 of all time
He's tall and did movies. Take that!
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Shawn Ray.
I like both guys, but SR at his all time best is easily better than Labrada. Labrada holds his own, but it's still no contest.
Side note: Both of them have very cool sounding names, although Labrada kicks Ray's ass in this department.
In the nickname department, there is no contest. Lee "Mass with Class" Labrada eats "Sugar" Shawn Ray for breakfast.
I think Shawn should start using Gold as a new nickname. Drop "Shawn" entirely. I'm sure they'd never denied Gold to win the Sandow.
Whatcha say, Gold?
YIP
Zack
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IF IF IF IF IF.. guess what he didn't.. SR=Nothing special.. won two (disqualified once) in over 15 years of competition...overated and thats being kind to the boy..
It's not what you win it's who you're up against. Re look at this video of Ray and tell me he's tier 2. I may have to resort to making fun of your mother.
tier 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dgLM7ZhnM&search=bodybuilding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dgLM7ZhnM&search=bodybuilding)
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It's not what you win it's who you're up against. Re look at this video of Ray and tell me he's tier 2. I may have to resort to making fun of your mother.
tier 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dgLM7ZhnM&search=bodybuilding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dgLM7ZhnM&search=bodybuilding)
Unbelievable!
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Labrada had clearly a better physique than Ray.. No comparison.. Labrada was tier 1, Ray was tier 2
Don't take this the wrong way, but that may just be the most stupid thing I've ever read on this board...congratulations ::)
Labrada won more shows and beat Ray on head-to-head competition more times. However, that to me is meaningless. If we answer the question posed in the 1st post of this thread…
Both at their best
A virtual pose down would help
…then the answer is clearly Shawn Ray. The last time they did battle on stage, if memory serves me right, Shawn finally beat Lee because he had better separation, detail, full muscles and more overall mass.
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Shawn > Lee
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the best way to put it is that Shawn IS Lee with 25 pounds more muscle, so of course Shawn is better.
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the best way to put it is that Shawn IS Lee with 25 pounds more muscle, so of course Shawn is better.
Someone find a pic of both of those guys comparing BDB's...Gold devours Lee.
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Someone find a pic of both of those guys comparing BDB's...Gold devours Lee.
who's Gold?
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who's Gold?
Shawn Ray.
I like both guys, but SR at his all time best is easily better than Labrada. Labrada holds his own, but it's still no contest.
Side note: Both of them have very cool sounding names, although Labrada kicks Ray's ass in this department.
In the nickname department, there is no contest. Lee "Mass with Class" Labrada eats "Sugar" Shawn Ray for breakfast.
I think Shawn should start using Gold as a new nickname. Drop "Shawn" entirely. I'm sure they'd never denied Gold to win the Sandow.
Whatcha say, Gold?
YIP
Zack
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Lee Labrada.... hands down.. ;D
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Lee Labrada has more pleasing looking physique while Shawn has more muscle..
in posing wise, nobody beats Lee
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Lee Labrada has more pleasing looking physique while Shawn has more muscle..
in posing wise, nobody beats Lee
Watching Gold Ray's form from 94 and 96, he's much better than Labrada.
YIP
Zack
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Are you people really serious. I mean cmon man, not everyone likes Shawn as a person... but lets be real here... Labrada could never beat Ray. Its not even close. Labrada was a better poser slightly, but i mean... what bodypart does Labrada win on? Calves maybe? Rays Xframe is even better, quads striated, more detail, drier, harder, this thread is a joke.
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No question: Labrada. Plus I saw him pose @ the Ironman cira 93'. Best poser I ever saw. He would make Melvin A look stupid, that good.
yep, im with you rhino. Labrada, no question.
in 90 and 91 he took it to the two big dudes of BB and really shoulda been awarded both sandows.
Ray has two poses that look off...front double bi and ab/thigh. His back double bi was his best pose though- freaky stuff. Labrada looked good in all poses. Both excellent posers too, but LL's routines were works of art without seeming one bit gay.
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Da hell... Comparing Lee to Shawn. What an insult. Shawn Ray is in a different league. I love Lee's physique but it is nowhere near as great as Shawn. Gimme a fawkin break.
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Da hell... Comparing Lee to Shawn. What an insult. Shawn Ray is in a different league. I love Lee's physique but it is nowhere near as great as Shawn. Gimme a fawkin break.
you are smoking some hallucinergenic skunkweed arent you?
i suppose the tally 4-1 means the judges dont havea clue either?
please go back and watch all the shows these guys did together and then come back and tell me SR was better.
credit where its due, LL was better than SR.
This thread is like saying that rich gaspari was better than lee haney. he wasnt. great in his prime and pushed the awesome one a few times...
SR's placings were only skewed by the fact that the big guys got the gift top spots..its arguable that placings couldve been 1 and 2 labrada/ray...but i would have ray at least 2 places below LL.
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um shawn ray no question.
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@alexxx
Yes, that must be the reason why I placed 11th at the last World Championships. ;D
And you ? Placed first in your own bathroom in front of the mirror ? ::)
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@alexxx
Yes, that must be the reason why I placed 11th at the last World Championships. ;D
And you ? Placed first in your own bathroom in front of the mirror ? ::)
i doubt it, im sure his girlfriend walked in and completely owned him for straight firsts lol
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Lee was great, but in comparing the two, Shawn Ray would be the victor!
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shawn.......no doubt ,far superior mass and conditioning.
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On paper, Lee record impressive no doubt. But, if I remember correctly shawn placed 2nd to yates at the Olympia several years in a row. It would be close... Shawn at his best beats Lee.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but that may just be the most stupid thing I've ever read on this board...congratulations ::)
Labrada won more shows and beat Ray on head-to-head competition more times. However, that to me is meaningless. If we answer the question posed in the 1st post of this thread…
…then the answer is clearly Shawn Ray. The last time they did battle on stage, if memory serves me right, Shawn finally beat Lee because he had better separation, detail, full muscles and more overall mass.
Thank you Mindspin.. Coming from you (and after reading some of your posts) I will take that as a compliment . BB is very much a subjective "event" that is open to interpretation and what is preferable to one is not always the same to another, otherwise we'd be seeing lineups that feature clones. There is no clear answer to this question.
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Can someone tell what`s so great about Schwarzenegger ?
In his days, ok, but compared to todays bodybuilder he looks like shit.
Bad - very bad symmetry, bad definition etc.
Even I`m from Schwarzeneggers home country I can`t see something special, except his biceps, which overpowers his whole body.
Again, great in his time, but nowadays he would struggle to win a newcomer championship in Austria.
Ridiculous to see him amongst the best 10 of all time
wow... you're a retard.
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personally, I think that in the few times that Labrada beat Ray, Shawn was holding a bit of water.
When he was in 100% great shape, he surpassed Lee (eg 1993).
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994151.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267631.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267115.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974266989.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267096.jpg)
look at that! Have you ever seen better in that pose?
Lee was good, but not THIS good.
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Great pics of Gold Ray Hulkster.
That signature pose of his is pure - Gold.
YIP
Zack
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personally, I think that in the few times that Labrada beat Ray, Shawn was holding a bit of water.
When he was in 100% great shape, he surpassed Lee (eg 1993).
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994151.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267631.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267115.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974266989.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974267096.jpg)
look at that! Have you ever seen better in that pose?
Lee was good, but not THIS good.
WOW Definitely top 5 best physique of all time!
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Ray for sure. Labrada had a good physique for his time, but Ray definitely surpassed him when he was in top form.
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I THINK WE NEED SHAWN'S OPINION IN THIS THREAD. I HOPE HE READS IT.
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I guess its up to your own prefference Ray is thicker but Labrada has better lines , I think Labrada is amazing , just all around amazing he was/is exactly what bodybuilding needed .
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@alexxx
Yes, that must be the reason why I placed 11th at the last World Championships. ;D
And you ? Placed first in your own bathroom in front of the mirror ? ::)
wow 11th place!! what an accomplishment! ::)
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I guess its up to your own prefference Ray is thicker but Labrada has better lines , I think Labrada is amazing , just all around amazing he was/is exactly what bodybuilding needed .
I don't see it! First you say that Yates has better lines than Ronnie... now you say that Labrada has better lines than Shawn Ray.. next you will say that Mike Francois was genetically superior to Paul Dillet. ::)
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:)
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:)
Does Kevin Levrone have better lines than Flex Wheeler?
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I don't see it! First you say that Yates has better lines than Ronnie... now you say that Labrada has better lines than Shawn Ray.. next you will say that Mike Francois was genetically superior to Paul Dillet. ::)
I never said Yates has better lines just better balance and Labrada does have better lines than Ray , Ray is structually narrow , Labrada has wider clavaciles and just as small of a waist , this is evident in the latspreads & ab-thigh , whenever Ray did these you could see his narrowness and Labrada has the better proportion of the two , you look at Ray he has heavyweigts arms and a middleweights torso , squared off quads and high calves , you don't see this with Labrada .
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To me It's not even close. Lee looks like a fitness comt next to Ray.
And lee having better lines ?????? What are you smoking. Ray destroys him. Hell, Ronnie Rockell destroys Lee. Fact !!!
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You don't see it with Labrada because there is nothing to see.
Lightweights Torso and Zero Calves !
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I never said Yates has better lines just better balance and Labrada does have better lines than Ray , Ray is structually narrow , Labrada has wider clavaciles and just as small of a waist , this is evident in the latspreads & ab-thigh , whenever Ray did these you could see his narrowness and Labrada has the better proportion of the two , you look at Ray he has heavyweigts arms and a middleweights torso , squared off quads and high calves , you don't see this with Labrada .
Maybe you meant better genetics but weaker work ethic?
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Lee has Ray on the " Biggest head though " That's one huge noggin.
You should see him In person. Huuuuge Noggin !
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Lee has Ray on the " Biggest head though " That's one huge noggin.
You should see him In person. Huuuuge Noggin !
bigger than David Henry's?
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To me It's not even close. Lee looks like a fitness comt next to Ray.
And lee having better lines ?????? What are you smoking. Ray destroys him. Hell, Ronnie Rockell destroys Lee. Fact !!!
Fact my ass !! Labrada is the template for the classic phsyique. he's like a short Steve Reeves , Ray has a very pleasing phsyique and he has the edge on thickness but Labrada is has the edge on balance & proportion and overall lines.
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Yeah, I'm talking Size wise. Not being full of yourself big..
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Labrada was almost perfect.
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Lee & Shawn
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Lee has better structure/lines. However, Gold's fullness, crisp detail, separation and mass beats out Lee.
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personally, I think that in the few times that Labrada beat Ray, Shawn was holding a bit of water.
When he was in 100% great shape, he surpassed Lee (eg 1993).
Bingo.
I might not agree with you when you say stuff like Dorian's the most overrated bber/Olympia-winner ever (or whatever it was...who can be bothered to look up the original shit? ;)), but you hit the nail on the head here, Hulksty. Shawn's best was markedly better than Lee's best. End of story.
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Bingo.
I might not agree with you when you say stuff like Dorian's the most overrated bber/Olympia-winner ever (or whatever it was...who can be bothered to look up the original shit? ;)), but you hit the nail on the head here, Hulksty. Shawn's best was markedly better than Lee's best. End of story.
Missy Elliot in the house! Welcome!!!
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Bingo.
I might not agree with you when you say stuff like Dorian's the most overrated bber/Olympia-winner ever (or whatever it was...who can be bothered to look up the original shit? ;)), but you hit the nail on the head here, Hulksty. Shawn's best was markedly better than Lee's best. End of story.
Ray was at his best- dry as the desert and full, when Lee beat him.
Lee was on his way out of the sport later.
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man this thread really shows those who never saw the competitions these guys competed in.
the side by side comparisons, compulsories and free posing and pose downs.
even this argument about mass.....LL had mass too.
go through the compulsories of those olympias and then get back.
the judging was almost spot on for that period, Haney 1, Yates 2 (then 1), Labrada 3, Ray 4 or 5....but levrone could probably bump these guys up another by taking the number 3 spot.
end of story.
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shawn has the added advantage of having arguably history's greatest midsection
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994259.jpg)
that relaxed shot shows how much more full shawn was while still displaying great dryness. He looked better than Labrada when he was in top shape. (and why he placed second at the O. in 93 when both Labrada and Ray were in 100% top shape).
When Labrada was ON and Shawn was not 100% Ray lost.
When he was ON, even if Lee was in fantastic shape, Shawn won.
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it doesn't matter, they look like little school girls next to ronnie
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I dont think Labrada's lines are any more or less pleasing than Shawns. In a classic sense they are better but that doesnt have to mean that they are more pleasing. The shape of Shawn's muscles are what make his lines great not his structure.
I think Shawn's posing is exceptional and he is an expert at showing his strenghths and hiding his flaws.
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gotta say shawn. back when lee and him were both competing i was a huge labrada fan.. BUT... still think shawn had probably one of the best physiques ever
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LOL!
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people who think Lee Labrada had a better physique than Shawn Ray are either blind, biased, or dumb. Probably just dumb :D
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people who think Lee Labrada had a better physique than Shawn Ray are either blind, biased, or dumb. Probably just dumb :D
true that! :D
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@Alexxx
Well Mr. Alexxx, try to be amongst the top 10 at a World Championship.
Try it this year, in October in Ostrava, I`ll be there - on stage. You`ll never accomplish that not this year, not in your lifetime.
Show some respect Mr. Bathroom or "Trainer of the pros" :)
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@Alexxx
Well Mr. Alexxx, try to be amongst the top 10 at a World Championship.
Try it this year, in October in Ostrava, I`ll be there - on stage. You`ll never accomplish that not this year, not in your lifetime.
Show some respect Mr. Bathroom or "Trainer of the pros" :)
I would if I knew where Ostavawhat land was.. ::) gimme the money to go to switzerland and I will make you look silly!
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Czech Republic. Ostrava is a city in this country.
And for your further information the Czech Republic is a country in Europe.
If you`re a bodybuilder good enough to compete at a World Championship you have to pay nothing.
Your country will, so out of your bathroom and compete "Mr. Bathroom" ;D
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What do I get out of it?>
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Lots of money, girls whenever you want and intelligent people writing about you in several boards. :)
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Lots of money, girls whenever you want and intelligent people writing about you in several boards. :)
how much?
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Alex Strum are you implying that you recieve lots of money, girls and talk to inteligent people because you are a top 10er in your country and that there is no bathroom currently present that will fund Alexxx's career in the same fashion ? ? ?
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Nothing. That was a joke. In general it depends on your home country. Some World Champions get money others don`t.
Like everything, you do it for yourself, because you love the sport and try to achieve the best possible. That`s it.
So it`s like almost everything in life (sports, profession, relationship etc.).
you invest in something without knowing if you`ll get something back one day
But now we should return to the topic....
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The shape of Shawn's muscles are what make his lines great not his structure.
ND doesn't give a shit about the shape of the muscles. There is a 190+ page thread that proves that quite clearly..
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ND doesn't give a shit about the shape of the muscles. There is a 190+ page thread that proves that quite clearly..
How about your keep that nonsense on the other tread and stick to this one .
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How about your keep that nonsense on the other tread and stick to this one .
because its relevant. You evaluate physiques using non-traditional criteria
ie. you do not emphasize traditional bodybuilding ideals of shape, symmetry, taper, detail, vascularity etc.
instead you emphasize traits that cannot be clearly shown or defined, like "better balance" or "better proportioned"
eg. you say Labrada was "better balanced" than Ray or that Dorian was better balanced than Ronnie.
thats sound good and all, until you view the pics or watch the videos.
Then no one can see what you are saying:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=86694;image)
when you see the pics, they both look about the same.
the same can be said about the two guys in the other thread: sure, Ronnie had small calves for his quads, but dorian had small arms for his entire body.
You make an assertion that one guy is better balanced or better proportioned than than the other but you can't show why using pics and videos.
You can only make the claim.
That in itself is not good enough.
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because its relevant. You evaluate physiques using non-traditional criteria
ie. you do not emphasize traditional bodybuilding ideals of shape, symmetry, taper, detail, vascularity etc.
instead you emphasize traits that cannot be clearly shown or defined, like "better balance" or "better proportioned"
eg. you say Labrada was "better balanced" than Ray or that Dorian was better balanced than Ronnie.
thats sound good and all, until you view the pics or watch the videos.
Then no one can see what you are saying:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=86694;image)
when you see the pics, they both look about the same.
the same can be said about the two guys in the other thread: sure, Ronnie had small calves for his quads, but dorian had small arms for his entire body.
You make an assertion that one guy is better balanced or better proportioned than than the other but you can't show why using pics and videos.
You can only make the claim.
That in itself is not good enough.
I evaluate the phsyique on all aspects of the I.F.B.B. judging criteria and to be honest with you , you don't have a clue what the I.F.B.B. judging criteria is I've read if pleanty of times I suggest you do the same .
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I've read if pleanty of times I suggest you do the same .
reading it and knowing how to properly apply it are two different things.
if you knew how to apply it, that 190+ page thread would be 2 posts long..
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You guys are relentless!!! ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.
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Ray had a better mid-section by far. Labrada looked somewhat blocky in COMPARISON to Ray. But then again, most people looked blocky next to Ray.
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people who think Lee Labrada had a better physique than Shawn Ray are either blind, biased, or dumb. Probably just dumb :D
ok thatd be the judges and all the bb experts of the time then...but not you and a bunch of adolescents here at GB.
you know better .
SR couldnt take it to haney and yates...LL could,and did.
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You guys are relentless!!! ND, I like a lot of the original angles you take when evaluating physiques, but IMO it seems you're judgement is often clouded by your biases.
ND's judgment is clouded by his eyelids.
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ND's judgment is clouded by his eyelids.
This is comming from the genius who thinks Matt Mendenhall was ' blocky ' lol
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This is comming from the genius who thinks Matt Mendenhall was ' blocky ' lol
I am basing my assessment on some pics in an old musclemag from the early 90's where he certainly did look blocky.
all the pics I can find online are from the early 80's though..
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Labrada