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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: ToxicAvenger on June 27, 2006, 10:10:23 AM
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1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
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that was pretty good. i wish there was a way to work the lates rush limbaugh escapade into that list.
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the lates rush limbaugh
damn he died???
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Well, no. 1 is the only item that isn't just plain silly. Many atheists spend an ordinate amount of time reading the Bible and studying church history and know much more than I do. Weird.
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1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
I have to agree w/Beach Bum...this one is kind of silly
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
I wouldn't define 0.01% as a "high success rate" of anything. I also wouldn't "consider that to be evidence that prayer works."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
Actually, modern science, history, geology, biology and physics enforce my belief in God. But a person "rolling around on the floor speaking in 'tongues'" doesn't "prove" Christianity to me.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
I would never say that Christianity is the most "tolerant religion."
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
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6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
I don't laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans. I don't think it's funny :-\
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
Of course I (figuratively) "flinch" at all those things.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
Once again, not funny...no laughing :-\
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
I don't believe in evolution but it doesn't insult or dehumanize me.
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
I definitely don't feel outraged....more like sad. And I don't VIGOROUSLY deny....etc.
Gosh lee, all this time I thought I was a Christian Fundy, but I guess I'm not :'(
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congrats
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Stella, a lot of the old testament is set during the bronze age and immediately after . . . which is why bronze figures so prminently in it . . . bronze spears, temple stuff, etc.
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bronze ;D
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The fact is that only one part of the Bible can be considered the absolute words of God - The Ten Commandments.
So how credible is the rest?
Why should Christians believe the Bible when most of it is not directly written by either God or any of his prophets?
The Quran has a different level of credibility, since it was written by God himself, through Mohammed.
YIP
Zack
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well, the bible claims that kind of legitimacy for itself too
John 10
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[e]? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
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well, the bible claims that kind of legitimacy for itself too
John 10
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[e]? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
Well, those who wrote the Bible were no prophets, and wrote the stuff down several years after the events took place (in the case of the Gospels).
The writings in the Old Testament could be questioned even more.
Except the Ten Commandments of course.
The Quran puts itself on a higher level by claiming to be directly the words from God.
YIP
Zack
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Of course, being written by man makes the Bible and the Religion in itself, Christianity, easier to interpret.
That's why you can find many people calling themselves Christians despite being gay, despite being supporters of death penalty and long sentencing and other acts which you would be very hardpressed to find support for in the Bible.
YIP
Zack
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The fact is that only one part of the Bible can be considered the absolute words of God - The Ten Commandments.
So how credible is the rest?
Why should Christians believe the Bible when most of it is not directly written by either God or any of his prophets?
The Quran has a different level of credibility, since it was written by God himself, through Mohammed.
YIP
Zack
daddy..? ???
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ooo ooo muslims believe the bible ws written by god...revealed to jesus..
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Well, those who wrote the Bible were no prophets, and wrote the stuff down several years after the events took place (in the case of the Gospels).
The writings in the Old Testament could be questioned even more.
Except the Ten Commandments of course.
The Quran puts itself on a higher level by claiming to be directly the words from God.
YIP
Zack
Actually a lot of Old Testament verses are either quoted or cited in the New Testament. And there are tons of Old Testament verses that are noncontroversial and that can be applied to everyday living.
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Actually a lot of Old Testament verses are either quoted or cited in the New Testament. And there are tons of Old Testament verses that are noncontroversial and that can be applied to everyday living.
still hedgie does have a point (and so does dad)
if quran is the latest version of whats god is putting out..and the old ones have been changed by man..why not go with the latest version?
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you might be a christian fundamentalist if...
You believe Pat Robertson actually legpressed 1,000 lbs
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still hedgie does have a point (and so does dad)
if quran is the latest version of whats god is putting out..and the old ones have been changed by man..why not go with the latest version?
I don't think that the quran is the latest version of what God is putting out. It contradicts way too much w/the bible......can't be "written" by the same God.
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I don't think that the quran is the latest version of what God is putting out. It contradicts way too much w/the bible......can't be "written" by the same God.
Agreed! No way whatsoever is the quran God's latest written word.
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I don't think that the quran is the latest version of what God is putting out. It contradicts way too much w/the bible......can't be "written" by the same God.
it contradicts the bible cause the bible ws changed by man...its much much older than the quran..
muslims believe in the bible..they just say the original ws lost and or changed...
jesus is considered just another prophet ..like mohammed..no more..no less...
mohammed is given a certain prestige is cause he is the last..
abrahim came with the torah..
jesus with bible
mohammed with quran..
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Agreed! No way whatsoever is the quran God's latest written word.
well thats what muslims believe anyhow...
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still hedgie does have a point (and so does dad)
if quran is the latest version of whats god is putting out..and the old ones have been changed by man..why not go with the latest version?
Because in the latest version ants talk to Mohamad.
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Well, no. 1 is the only item that isn't just plain silly. Many atheists spend an ordinate amount of time reading the Bible and studying church history and know much more than I do. Weird.
It's wierd, but not suprising. Some of the time it's becuase of this research that they became Atheists while other times it's becuase they had to defend themselves in debates.
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It's wierd, but not suprising. Some of the time it's becuase of this research that they became Atheists while other times it's becuase they had to defend themselves in debates.
I doubt it's because of research. You mean researching the Bible, church history, etc. would cause someone to stop believing in God? I don't buy this in part because they continue to read and debate the Bible even after their conversion. And why would an atheist need to defend himself or herself?
For many of them, I tend to think it's because they suffered some tragedy, hardship, tough time, etc. and believe God abandoned them.
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"Even though you've been raised as a human being you're not one of them. They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you... my only son "
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I doubt it's because of research. You mean researching the Bible, church history, etc. would cause someone to stop believing in God? I don't buy this in part because they continue to read and debate the Bible even after their conversion. And why would an atheist need to defend himself or herself?
For many of them, I tend to think it's because they suffered some tragedy, hardship, tough time, etc. and believe God abandoned them.
I'm not anywhere near being an atheist, however:
I'm sure a certain amount has because of a hardship or what ever.
To make a good argument against the existence of God you would need to know why a person should believe in God and how the religious beliefs systems work and the basis (scriptures, dogma etc...) those systems work from. That's why they would know more.
Also most people stop researching and exploring once they become "complete believers". I started asking my Pastor friend (years before he became a pastor) about some inconsistencies in certain sermons, and in the bible and he didn't have an answer for other than: "Take it up with God". Which meant even in the face of continuity discrepancies he refused to address them or ask questions about it. Which is OK, I'm criticizing him for it. He is truly a person who lives a true Christian life to the letter which for that i have the up most respect for even though i don't believe the same way.
For me i stopped believing in organized religion because i was at one time very enthusiastic about Christianity and kept learning about it. The more i learned the more i soon realized how much man really perverted it to a greater or lesser degree,IMO, the word of God in every text and source available today. I saw man's greed for control and power woven into the words, concepts, guidance, and philosophies of God.
The real question we should ask, is it really true most atheists know more about the Bible then true believers?
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Because in the latest version ants talk to Mohamad.
sure i guess..if a man(jesus) can die and come back anything is possible eh
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sure i guess..if a man(jesus) can die and come back anything is possible eh
It's in the Koran (Quran) ;D Check it out.
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It's in the Koran (Quran) ;D Check it out.
meh!
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it contradicts the bible cause the bible ws changed by man...its much much older than the quran..
muslims believe in the bible..they just say the original ws lost and or changed...
jesus is considered just another prophet ..like mohammed..no more..no less...
mohammed is given a certain prestige is cause he is the last..
abrahim came with the torah..
jesus with bible
mohammed with quran..
You are right on with the above statements. Muslims do believe in bible and Jesus. However, the belive that man was not following the "right" message so to speak, in turn Mohammmed was sent to spread gods word.
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Because in the latest version ants talk to Mohamad.
LOL,
you're a little off, it wasnt Mohammed(pbuh), it was Prophet Solomon(pbuh). ;)
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LOL,
you're a little off, it wasnt Mohammed(pbuh), it was Prophet Solomon(pbuh). ;)
Ah yes. True, Ants talking in the Koran.
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Think about it this way. If over the past 500 years, the men of science had given in to the men of religious thought, where would we be now? Religion embraces scientific discovery, only if it somehow enhances their doctrines. Anything that goes counter to those beliefs, is met with resistance and ridicule.
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Think about it this way. If over the past 500 years, the men of science had given in to the men of religious thought, where would we be now? Religion embraces scientific discovery, only if it somehow enhances their doctrines. Anything that goes counter to those beliefs, is met with resistance and ridicule.
We wouldn't have the A-bomb or this forum. ;D
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Ah yes. True, Ants talking in the Koran.
Miracle? ;)
Now I'm not one to take scripture literally always, but even in that case, the miracle here is Solomon's ability to communicate with the ants, not the other way around..meaning its not the ants actually "talking".
What's hilarious to me is that some christians look at this verse and ridicule the Quran for such a "ridiculous claim" ("haha! ants can talk?"). To that I'll just say that you can either have faith, and believe in God's miracles, or you can be an atheist who disregards any such thing. This switching of roles when it comes to Islam, which is also an abrahamic religion(and also acknowledges Jesus's(pbuh) miracles), is hypocritical and idiotic. Ofcourse this isnt directed towards you since you've already have cleared the issue.
:)
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Ah yes. True, Ants talking in the Koran.
I think there are talking animals in the Bible.
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I think there are talking animals in the Bible.
A serpent for one.
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A serpent for one.
Donkey. Talking plants.
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Donkey. Talking plants.
Donkey was in Numbers 28-30.
Obviously the serpent was in Genesis.
Where are the talking plants Beach Bum?
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Donkey was in Numbers 28-30.
Talking jack-asses are nothing new or extra-ordinary.
Not in ancient times or modern day. Look at George W. Bush :P
{I'm feeling bratty today}
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Donkey was in Numbers 28-30.
Obviously the serpent was in Genesis.
Where are the talking plants Beach Bum?
Moses and the burning bush. Exodus 3:2-4:
"And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, but the bush was not consumed.
Then Moses said, 'I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.'
So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, 'Moses, Moses!' And he said, 'Here I am.'"
Talking plant. :)
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Talking jack-asses are nothing new or extra-ordinary.
Not in ancient times or modern day. Look at George W. Bush :P
{I'm feeling bratty today}
"Today"? :-\
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;)
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Because in the latest version ants talk to Mohamad.
thats what i have read on getbig..
haven't read the quran in english man..ws made to read it when i ws 5 in arabic..soo i can read arabic now but have no clue what i'm reading :-\