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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Bast175 on July 06, 2006, 07:47:21 PM
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meal 1
1 chicken breast, 1/2 cup oats with splenda, 1 cup 'carb countdown' fat free milk
meal 2
1 chicken breast, bowl of brocolli , 1 cup brown rice
meal 3
tuna salad (1 package tuna creations 35g protein, 9g carbs, with half tomato, onion, lettuce, low fat italan dressing 1.5g fat, 3g carbs), 1 scoop isopure protein
meal 4
8oz steak, 2 small Red potatoes (40g carbs)
meal 5 (post workout)
1 1/2 scoops isopure protein, 1/2 cup rice
meal 6
8 egg whites (with 1 slice fatfree cheese), 3 strawberries, 1 cup carbcountdown fat free milk
Snacks: 1-2 sugar free popsicles, around 25 calories each, beef jerky
Supplements: metamucil (fiber), calcium + vitamin D, multi-vitamin, ephedra (just started using), caffeine.
Protein = 200g
Carbs =150-175g
fat = 25g
Will do a higher carb day once a week if necessary. ( 220g carbs)
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you snack on 2 popsicles a day but also get jerky from it???? LOL
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you snack on 2 popsicles a day but also get jerky from it???? LOL
I've yet to see one post by you that makes sense.
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wow....thats what you meant by strict dieting?
so far...ive been dieting about a week also, and mine has looked something like this
45 min cardio on empty stomach followed by 8 egg whites.
1 cup tuna, seasoned with a teasoon season salt
2 chicken breasts. no flavor
2 chicken breasts no flavor
1 can shredded chicken no flavor.
2 pieces whole wheat bread pre workout
post workout protein shake/creatine
1 can tuna flavored by season salt
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Come on now guys, lets not forget the occasional reduced fat oreos or fat free pudding,,If you really are dieting with that clean of diet, and staying consistent on it, I give you much props Bast..that is a very clean diet.
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Bast-it may be better to have whey protein with your breakfast for faster absorbtion.Also careful with the ephedra if you want to compete-it's banned by many natural organisations.
Candidate-way to low on carbs,mate,at least have some in the morning-oats-and post workout-simple carbs.
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why you so afraid of fat? i'm experimenting with the old vince gironda rule of proteins with fats and salads. and complex carbs either alone or with vegetables. i have a long way to go but i'm happy because this time i'm maintaing all my muscle and the bodyfat is dropping. will probably take me another 4 or even 5 months to get ripped. i dont wanna go crazy and end up losing muscle. this month my waist has gone from 34 to 33.25 and my weight from 183 to 178. Does anyone know how much an inch of fat in your stomach should equal in bodyweight? like they say an inch of arms is 10 lean pounds all over the body.
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I've taken flax seed oil in the past and found no benefit from it.
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Look spretty good but there is not enough good fat-there is no getting around the many benefits of good fats. Also I need to know what your goals are. Without even knowing what you want to do you HAVE to add in fats-you can do Raw almonds and Natty PB but I also suggest gettting an EFA or flax oil, I don't care if you didn't "see" the benefits, they are there I promise.
Tell me what your goals are (and don't say to get laid more often...) give me numbers or specifics.
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Look spretty good but there is not enough good fat-there is no getting around the many benefits of good fats. Also I need to know what your goals are. Without even knowing what you want to do you HAVE to add in fats-you can do Raw almonds and Natty PB but I also suggest gettting an EFA or flax oil, I don't care if you didn't "see" the benefits, they are there I promise.
Tell me what your goals are (and don't say to get laid more often...) give me numbers or specifics.
don't you weight 82 pounds and aren't you supposed to be a woman?
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actually only 80...I keep trying to put on those last few pounds-Alexxx how did you get up to 85 pounds??? And the test I take is slowly changing me to a man-beast.
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actually only 80...I keep trying to put on those last few pounds-Alexxx how did you get up to 85 pounds??? And the test I take is slowly changing me to a man-beast.
When I was a baby I used to eat a lot of bread, potatoes, tomatoes and other pasteries. Hope this helps Twinkle Bell.
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When I was a baby
so like last year?
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so like last year?
aren't you the feisty one? ahhh the exciting stages of puberty... hope you reach the big 5' barrier sometime soon.
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Hey alexxx...is that you in your avatar??? What a pussy lookin' homo fuck you are...you better take some male fuckin' hormones man...now go suck your boyfriends cock little boy....
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Hey alexxx...is that you in your avatar??? What a pussy lookin' homo f**k you are...you better take some male fuckin' hormones man...now go suck your boyfriends cock little boy....
hahaha how many times are you going to copy and paste your verbal love letter?
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Look spretty good but there is not enough good fat-there is no getting around the many benefits of good fats. Also I need to know what your goals are. Without even knowing what you want to do you HAVE to add in fats-you can do Raw almonds and Natty PB but I also suggest gettting an EFA or flax oil, I don't care if you didn't "see" the benefits, they are there I promise.
Tell me what your goals are (and don't say to get laid more often...) give me numbers or specifics.
Well I would say I'm 9.5-11% bodyfat? That's an estimate, haven't measured. Goal is to get to 6% bodyfat. Do you think I should substitute some carbs for good fats Or just add the fats? Keeping calories down is most important no?
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I'm thinking just get rid of the steak and have some flax oil and chicken instead. How about that?
Then just cut carbs little by little from there.
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I'm thinking just get rid of the steak and have some flax oil and chicken instead. How about that?
stupid. Your not gonna last long on an all chicken diet. Besides beef raises test levels and has many valuable nutrients. But you could definately add flax to other meals.. like your last one so you keep nitrogen balance during the night after intense sessions of masturbating..
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i agree. steak
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If you stay to a clean diet I wouldn't worry too much about the calories. I never count but I know my body very well. I really think good fats are essential in maintaing health and leanness so definitely add the fats but you don't have to necessarily take out the carbs.
After 2 weeks reevluate how you look and see if you are making progress. Then you may want to stast cycling your carbs-higher days on leg day and lower on off-days...
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thank you
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wow....thats what you meant by strict dieting?
so far...ive been dieting about a week also, and mine has looked something like this
45 min cardio on empty stomach followed by 8 egg whites.
1 cup tuna, seasoned with a teasoon season salt
2 chicken breasts. no flavor
2 chicken breasts no flavor
1 can shredded chicken no flavor.
2 pieces whole wheat bread pre workout
post workout protein shake/creatine
1 can tuna flavored by season salt
Excellent way to lose muscle pronto! Keep up the good work!
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I'm thinking just get rid of the steak and have some flax oil and chicken instead. How about that?
Then just cut carbs little by little from there.
Why dont you just throw in clen at 40mcg daily for 14 days then taper down to 20mcg daily for 7 days then add a splash of primo at 200mg week and winstrol at 50mg every other day for 5 weeks...just grab the bull by its fcuking horns bro...
Brutal shiny doorknob on the bathroom door...
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Why dont you just throw in clen at 40mcg daily for 14 days then taper down to 20mcg daily for 7 days then add a splash of primo at 200mg week and winstrol at 50mg every other day for 5 weeks...just grab the bull by its fcuking horns bro...
because I don't want to spend $ on that, and I don't want my natural testosterone to get fokked up
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bast you may be a suspected closet case in my book BUT i think you really know what you're doing as far as your bodybuilding goes. if you haven't juiced yet, don't. i mean you don't wanna compete or nothin so who cares? you look pretty diesel anyway.
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why you so afraid of fat? i'm experimenting with the old vince gironda rule of proteins with fats and salads. and complex carbs either alone or with vegetables. i have a long way to go but i'm happy because this time i'm maintaing all my muscle and the bodyfat is dropping. will probably take me another 4 or even 5 months to get ripped. i dont wanna go crazy and end up losing muscle. this month my waist has gone from 34 to 33.25 and my weight from 183 to 178. Does anyone know how much an inch of fat in your stomach should equal in bodyweight? like they say an inch of arms is 10 lean pounds all over the body.
How much fat loss takes off the waist? Wish I had an answer but that is genetic. I thought that myself when I first began competing, but weightloss does not get count just by waist size, muscle, structure and where your fat is at makes it hard to dictate lbs to inches.
Bast this diet is contest strict? Good luck
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because I don't want to spend $ on that, and I don't want my natural testosterone to get fokked up
What are you...22yrs old? A mild cycle like that is relativley very inexpensive...you're a smart guy you know the internet well...handle it! You can get that for less than $200...easily. Your 'natural' production of testosterone wont get fcuked up if you throw in 50mg of clomid daily for 2-3 weeks as PCT. I think you should give yourself...to the Dark Side.
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bast if you dont wanna be a guy on a bodybuilding stage why get into the steroids? you're doing well as it is.
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Don't listen to that guy Bast...He doesnt have your best interest in mind like I do...if you dont want to get on stage why are you eating like you are 4 weeks out from a show? I say you join the Dark Side of the force and 'acquire' 12 amps of primo...180 5mg tabs of winstrol, 140 40mcg tabs of clen and 20 tabs of clomid and get to work!
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You'll never be able to claim natural status without an asterix if you do though.
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there's nothing wrong with wanting to get ripped.
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brutally basic.
some people way overcomplicate this shit.
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stupid. Your not gonna last long on an all chicken diet. Besides beef raises test levels and has many valuable nutrients. But you could definately add flax to other meals.. like your last one so you keep nitrogen balance during the night after intense sessions of masturbating..
good shit alex
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good shit alex
I knew a fellow big man like you could understand. These kids are lost without my guidance.
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stupid. Your not gonna last long on an all chicken diet.
thats stupid. why wouldnt he be able to control what he puts in his mouth, and what he doesnt?
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Bast looks pretty good. He's got a lean muscular physique. He only need put on a small amount of mass, and diet(but not much), Then he'll attain the look he's going for. A short cycle will speed up the process, but once you cross that line you can't go back. Ask Croatch ;D
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Jumping on steroids puts you on the roller coaster for the rest of your life. Youll be paranoid and looking in mirrors constantly. On ....your happy. Off.....your freaking at losing size.
Bast is doing it right, he'll have mass that will never leave and can concentrate on other things in life.
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Jumping on steroids puts you on the roller coaster for the rest of your life. Youll be paranoid and looking in mirrors constantly. On ....your happy. Off.....your freaking at losing size.
Bast is doing it right, he'll have mass that will never leave and can concentrate on other things in life.
Like his boyfriend?
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Like his boyfriend?
Sarcasm? or groink?
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Sarcasm? or groink?
The Beast! :o
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The Beast! :o
The beast is too pretty for him. >:( ;D
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The beast is too pretty for him. >:( ;D
yeah! The Beast is a hotty!
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Don't listen to that guy Bast...He doesnt have your best interest in mind like I do...if you dont want to get on stage why are you eating like you are 4 weeks out from a show? I say you join the Dark Side of the force and 'acquire' 12 amps of primo...180 5mg tabs of winstrol, 140 40mcg tabs of clen and 20 tabs of clomid and get to work!
If I used roids I'd lose those gains once I stopped taking them. Not worth it.
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my opinion is this. if you wanna take roids it better be cause you wanna be a competitive bodybuilder or need it for a sport where everyone else does it. if it's just for vanity, because you wanna walk around big and have people look at you then that's not the right way of thinking... insecurity or something. drugs and working out in a gym have nothing to do with each other. if you wanna train because you enjoy it then what do you need to take drugs for? you'll be lifting a lot more weight but you'll know it's because of the drugs.
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if it's just for vanity, because you wanna walk around big and have people look at you then that's not the right way of thinking... insecurity or something.
I disagree because even natural bodybuilding is all about 'vanity' dude. Looking good is important.
I just don't want to pay money and risk side effects continually taking a drug, then losing those gains when I come off.
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off topic. After training and/or cardio my appetite actually goes Down. It's only on an off day that I have cravings for junkfood or that I get really hungry. Kind of strange, you'd think it would be opposite.
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I don't do cardio :) Yea I do think it's bad because of the vanity. I mean that it's EXTREME vanity to resort to drugs because what you wanna look like is beyond your reach or you don't wanna work for it. I'm not one of those idiots who's gonna say steroid users don't wanna work hard... while that is the case many times (like the gay guy from MTV); everybody knows that adding steriods makes you bigger/stronger.
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You should do cardio.
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why? health? i breathe when i lift.
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why? health? i breathe when i lift.
because you would get better results bodybuilding wise, and yes health.
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nah i'll burn more muscle. as far as health i dont believe it either. when i want i just rest less between sets.
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nah i'll burn more muscle. as far as health i dont believe it either. when i want i just rest less between sets.
You should really do some research. Christ dude, what are you basing this on?
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there is anti cardio material too
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show me some material with scientific evidence.
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impressive physique, bast. how much does your strength differ on the big lifts when you've dieted down completely, compared to when you're at your heaviest?
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first of all "scientific evidence" is pretty meaningless because lot of people do the complete opposite to each other and get results. why don't you just try it? stop doing the cardio.
Vince Gironda the Iron Guru was against it. I think it's so popular nowadays because the guys on steroids do tons of cardio and don't lose muscle so that's why everyone says "oh yea it's simple just do a lot of cardio and diet" but if you're natural you do lose muscle. anyway what the hell is "cardio"? increasing your heart rate. you don't have to run like a hamptster to do that.
Here's a cool article
http://www.bodyessence.ca/Pages/Articles/aerobicvstrength/aerobicsdontwork.html
i've seen others but haven't found them again yet.
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you'll only lose muscle if your caloric deficit is too high. plain and simple. You can lose muscle even without doing cardio if you're eating too little.
Your heart will not be in good shape from lifting weights only, that's ridiculous.
Vince Gironda ate a caloric amount lower than he would have needed to if he did cardio.
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your heart will not be in shape... totally false.
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your heart will not be in shape... totally false.
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Dont listen to that guy, Bast...you're heart is a muscle as well. Cardio keeps it strong.
I still think you should take the plunge and join ME...I will complete your training..you dont know the POWER of the dark side...
write this down...
160 tabs of clen(40mcg) 180 tabs of winstrol(5mg) 12 primobolan amps(100mg)
Build more muscle(dramatically) and cut more fat(also dramatically).
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even that would shut down natural testosterone.
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now look. why does everyone think that running on the hampster wheel is the only type of cardio there is? lifting weights IS cardio because you do increase your heart rate. especially if you work out hard and don't rest too much between sets. what about people who do stuff like sets for chest then back then chest then back? do 4 sets of that and you'll see cardio. what about squats?
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Liifting weights is very low intensity cardio. You can't get your heart rate high at all lifting weights. I don't even know why I'm arguing this. It sounds to me that you are just lazy and are making excuses to avoid doing cardio.
Meanwhile I'll get to 6% body fat and you won't. ;)
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yeah OK. how high do you really have to get your heartrate? keep reading the magazines buddy. and we'll see about the bodyfat.
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ok when you get to 6% body fat post pictures. good luck.
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i only wanna get down to about 8%. if i was bigger i'd like to get to 6%
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What do you estimate your body fat to be now? How long do you think you'll take to get to 8?
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don't know to both. i'll let you know when i measure it
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It wouldnt shut it down...200mg of primo and 150mg of winstrol a week aint jack SIHT!!!!
Throw in a tab of clomid daily if you're so concerned. Look...sooner or later you WILL start to expieriment w/ gear. You like...22 or something...siht when I was 22 I was afraid of gear because I thought all kinds of silly siht...now...hahahahahah aha!!!
You'll be fine...
Weight training does increase heart rate...please, try a set of 20 rep breathing squats then tell me about heart rate.
Why the fcuk do you players want to get your bodyfat so low if you arent competing? Is it a personal thing?
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stop pushing drugs already
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No!
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What are breathing squats?
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20 rep squatting sets
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Do you mean 20 rep sets with little rest in between?
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depends on how much someone can handle. most people are really winded before their muscles fail when doing 20 rep squats. I for example haven't squatted heavy for a while, the last time I did It was 260 for 6 reps. 2 weeks ago I did 4 sets of 185 for 20 reps each and my lung power would give up before my legs did.
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depends on how much someone can handle. most people are really winded before their muscles fail when doing 20 rep squats. I for example haven't squatted heavy for a while, the last time I did It was 260 for 6 reps. 2 weeks ago I did 4 sets of 185 for 20 reps each and my lung power would give up before my legs did.
good post. good examples. if that doesnt get heart rate skyrocketed to the stratosphere...I dont know what will.
Bast...pick a weight where you can squat 10 full complete reps...where it gets hard at rep 7...you get 8...take a breathe...get 9...and FINALLy get 10...NOW do 10 more...11 take 10-15 breathes with bar still on your back....12...same thing...count to 10-15...13...keep going until you hit 20. It might take a full 5 minutes to get the last 10 reps but it will shock all kinds of new growth.
...so w/ a light cycle of dbol.
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dbol is garbage.
http://steroidtips.com/steroidrank.htm "ability to keep gains" 3/10
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At least I got your wheels turning...
My favorite and first cycle I ever did was 30mg of dbol daily for 5 weeks w/ 400mg of milk thistle daily and 6OXO at 600mg daily at week 3 and two weeks afterwards.
dbol isnt garbage...its a classic mass/strength builder. it's just it causes water retention so you lose fluid in themuscle when you get off...thats why you should go w/ primo/winstrol kitten 1st cycle stack.
Or...Deca @300mg a week and test-e at 200mg/week...for 10 weeks.
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When people do "cardio" what's the target heart rate? 130? that can easily be done lifting weights. you can actually get to 170 lifting. just try that breathing squats stuff with 30-40 second rest... you'll probably have to do them as strip sets because the legs need more rest. when i was doing cardio the first time i ever tried losing fat i'd finish lifting... it was probably 50 seconds or 1 minute rest periods and i wouldn't train to failure or that hard and when i'd get on the stationary bike and start pedaling with my hands on the sensors my heart rate would be between 117-120 already. ever watch pro training videos? these guys are breathing extremely hard after doing heavy back sets, leg sets, all that stuff. look at Jay, Ronnie, Ruhl... it's like that in all their videos. they do cardio and lots of it because it's a very easy way to lose all kinds of weight (muscle included) thank heavens for steroids. why is everyone under the ridiculous misconseption that you need to run like a hampster to be healthy. before they lifted weights they didn't do any sort of cardio. now that they exercise with weights they think it's so much more necesary to do "cardio". i mean you can do it if you're an athlete that needs to train in that way for a sport.. soccer, basketball, football, marathon running... but people who lift weights and just wanna look good? i don't think they should.
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impressive physique, bast. how much does your strength differ on the big lifts when you've dieted down completely, compared to when you're at your heaviest?
bast, any chance of answering this at all? no need to be scared of 'Mr.Two Posts', it's a straightforward question! i know you've said you don't deadlift or squat because of injuries, but i'm intrigued by how much your dieting effects your other lifts. just say if you don't want to answer a lurker's question! thanks.
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I do deadlift and squat.
My strength goes down like 10-15% I guess.
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It wouldnt shut it down...200mg of primo and 150mg of winstrol a week aint jack SIHT!!!!
I was under the impression that a cycle worth anything would shut down your natural test and you would need Ant-E's and Clomid.
Are you saying that a light cycle will not lower your natural testosterone when you come off?
I have done some research on steroids but not a lot, I'm no expert.
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It CAN per say but they same way alcohol can cause liver chirrosis. Now...if I go out and have a few beers this weekend...I can probably bet by next weekend...Im not going to have liver chirrosis. Smoking causes lung cancer. If I puff on a square tonite...I dont think by next month I will be diagnosed w/ lung cancer from that one cigarette.
A 10 week cycle of that...I doubt anti-e's would even be needed...if anything use over-the counter. 6-OXO at 600mg every night at week 3 until 2 weeks afterwards would work. Those two drugs(primo/win) really will not convert.
During your last week...throw in a 50mg tab of clomiphene every day for 3 weeks...for good measure. Keep protein high, use creatine keep training, stay in a positive frame of mind and you'll keep all your gains and your plumbing will be 100% fine. Holla!
Hey Bast...can I join 'The Squad'? How does a BlockHead sign up or apply to be a member?
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Yeah Bast listen to Blockhead ::) he gets regularly beat by women on legs! hahaha
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was that english?
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Hey Bast...can I join 'The Squad'? How does a BlockHead sign up or apply to be a member?
you have to own more people first.
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At least I got your wheels turning...
My favorite and first cycle I ever did was 30mg of dbol daily for 5 weeks w/ 400mg of milk thistle daily and 6OXO at 600mg daily at week 3 and two weeks afterwards.
dbol isnt garbage...its a classic mass/strength builder. it's just it causes water retention so you lose fluid in themuscle when you get off...thats why you should go w/ primo/winstrol kitten 1st cycle stack.
Or...Deca @300mg a week and test-e at 200mg/week...for 10 weeks.
This is not good advice for any cycle.
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some changes I made are:
upped protein to 230-250g a day
upped fat from flax and whole eggs (40-50g a day)
I get only 90g carbs on days I don't lift. 150-170 on leg and back day.
30min cardio instead of 20.
It's never been so easy.
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off topic. After training and/or cardio my appetite actually goes Down. It's only on an off day that I have cravings for junkfood or that I get really hungry. Kind of strange, you'd think it would be opposite.
same thing happens to me! must be the repair process or something.