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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Ledd on July 13, 2006, 05:39:23 PM
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Hey guys I know alot of you all are constantly cycling and thats cool, to each their own, but I want to do one cycle and no more. Is there a point to that? Will a person stay the same size with proper diet and pct, or would I eventually go back to my original size. I just want to do it once and I want to do it right, I am also afraid of the long term negative health effects if there are any with one cycle. I go back and forth on what I want to run the first time, ofcourse test is a given any suggestions on the oral? I want strength gains more than anything.
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You will need to run at least 5 cyles to be as big as me.
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You will need to run at least 5 cyles to be as big as me.
PROVE IT!
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I can't tell you how many times I've heard guys say, "I'm going to just run one cycle." Truth be told, for most once you cross over, then it is very hard to turn back...this is not to say that one cycle is not possible, just unlikely for most. If you can do that and that is what you want to do, then you can have success with it, but their are some disadvantages IMO. For one, you don't know how your body is going to react to certain compounds, everyone reacts a little differently depending on the compound. So trial and error comes into play and experimenting with various compounds and stacks. Only through a handfull of cycles can you start to determine what works best for you, what produces the best gains, the least side effects, and is the most maintainable after the cycle.
If you do this one cycle, a very standard first cycle is 500mg of test wk for 12 wks along with 30mg dbol the first 4-6wks ed or 50mg of winny the last 6wks ed. Of coarse you could have good success with just 500mg of test wk and nothing else, but either way you go proper PCT is a must...3 wks after last pin start 3wks of nolva...wk1 40mg ed, wk2 30mg ed, wk3 20mg ed. Things like HCG are probably not necessary with this cycle or PCT and you can get by without an AI, but I prefer running some sort of AI throughout all my cycles no matter how long or short they are and regardless as to how much AAS I am taking. For your cycle .25mg of a-dex eod would do you well with your cycle.
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I want to do one cycle and no more.
The words most drug addicts say when they get started.
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I agree with Arnold. It's like tattoos once you get one you gotta get another & another & another...
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I agree with Arnold. It's like tattoos once you get one you gotta get another & another & another...
Funny, I got a tattoo when I was 18 and I've never gone back for more actually.
I hear what you guys are saying, and maybe your right about not being able to stop with just one. I know I'm not the only father on here but as a father and a husband I can say without a doubt that one will be enough. I am too involved in my family and my job to even put forth the effort required to do more than one cycle. I'm also way scared of screwing up and doing some long term damage.
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You will need to run at least 5 cyles to be as big as me.
Right... ::)
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You NEED a pile of bricks
to build a massive sized mansion
(monster size house)
Rome was NOT built
in just one cycle.
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You NEED a pile of bricks
to build a massive sized mansion
(monster size house)
Rome was NOT built
in just one cycle.
hahahaah
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i figured it up and I need approx 3 more cycles to get to my goal of 260 lbs solid steel. That is including the losses during PCT
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Funny, I got a tattoo when I was 18 and I've never gone back for more actually.
I got one at 18 too & now I've got about seven (about 40+ hours of work).
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i figured it up and I need approx 3 more cycles to get to my goal of 260 lbs solid steel. That is including the losses during PCT
Damn. How tall are you John?
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Hey guys I know alot of you all are constantly cycling and thats cool, to each their own, but I want to do one cycle and no more. Is there a point to that? Will a person stay the same size with proper diet and pct, or would I eventually go back to my original size. I just want to do it once and I want to do it right, I am also afraid of the long term negative health effects if there are any with one cycle. I go back and forth on what I want to run the first time, ofcourse test is a given any suggestions on the oral? I want strength gains more than anything.
it depend on what you want to reach ?
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Damn. How tall are you John?
6'0 214 lbs. (buttnaked in the morning) 9% bodyfat Big Pecker/Veins popping out
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Hey guys I know alot of you all are constantly cycling and thats cool, to each their own, but I want to do one cycle and no more. Is there a point to that? Will a person stay the same size with proper diet and pct, or would I eventually go back to my original size. I just want to do it once and I want to do it right, I am also afraid of the long term negative health effects if there are any with one cycle. I go back and forth on what I want to run the first time, ofcourse test is a given any suggestions on the oral? I want strength gains more than anything.
Arnold is a healthy governor now.
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Funny, I got a tattoo when I was 18 and I've never gone back for more actually.
I hear what you guys are saying, and maybe your right about not being able to stop with just one. I know I'm not the only father on here but as a father and a husband I can say without a doubt that one will be enough. I am too involved in my family and my job to even put forth the effort required to do more than one cycle. I'm also way scared of screwing up and doing some long term damage.
How does the family feel about this?..............dont tell me you were not gonna tell them?
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6'0 214 lbs. (buttnaked in the morning) 9% bodyfat Big Pecker/Veins popping out
More info than we needed to know bigJ :)
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once you go to the DARK SIDE, you never go back....trust me!!! :) i said the same thing but its soo freakin awesome being ON and stronger than a bull and watchin yourself grow by the day that you end up going back ON after awhile
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lets just put this out there to all get biggers, ok... have any of you ever been able to just do one cycle, or even know anyone who has been totally satisfied after just one cycle and has gone natty ofther that? hello? anyone......??
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lets just put this out there to all get biggers, ok... have any of you ever been able to just do one cycle, or even know anyone who has been totally satisfied after just one cycle and has gone natty ofther that? hello? anyone......??
I had all intetions of DOING just ONE CYCLE....... B U T........ I am already saving up gear for the next two cycles.....i dont see any reason ever to stop... sex is G R E A T ..... workouts are awesome, and goals are being acheived.....
Some folks snort cocaine for recreation and kicks... some get drunk.... some fuck each other in the ass...... I personally like to run cycles for my extracurricular activities..... so thats damn well what I will DO....... and there is in most cases less risk than the above mentioned activities... yet those fools will tell you that steroids will kill you
My neighbor, who is a fat/skinny guy and i have known for years told me steroids were going to kill me and I swear I havent seen that guy sober after 7pm in nine years. ::)
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dude if your gonna do one cycle, do one cycle. you dont need permission. what everyone is tring to say to you is. once you see the results you get your gonna want to continue. Can you do one cycle? yes will you get results? yes
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dude if your gonna do one cycle, do one cycle. you dont need permission. what everyone is tring to say to you is. once you see the results you get your gonna want to continue. Can you do one cycle? yes will you get results? yes
but will you do one cycle? NO. you will just keep running them
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Hello???????? were not talking about me!
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it isnt just the results, but your whole mentality about lifting after you have gone to the dark side. i know guys who love to tell me that they train just as hard as any guy on gear. im sorry to tell you, but you dont. gear allows you to train at an intensity you never knew existed while natural. and just an fyi, once you use steroids, even just one cycle, you will NEVER be able to make the kinds of gains you were making naturally before steriods, which is something to think about.
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Hello???????? were not talking about me!
NO SHIT genious..... Im making a generalization!! Meaning: no one, including myself or anybody else ever wants to run just one cycle after they start
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Hey guys I know alot of you all are constantly cycling and thats cool, to each their own, but I want to do one cycle and no more. Is there a point to that? Will a person stay the same size with proper diet and pct, or would I eventually go back to my original size. I just want to do it once and I want to do it right, I am also afraid of the long term negative health effects if there are any with one cycle. I go back and forth on what I want to run the first time, ofcourse test is a given any suggestions on the oral? I want strength gains more than anything.
What are your goals? In all likelihood, your net gains, including losses after pct, would equal those gains made from a really good nutrition plan and training regimen. Personally, I think it's not worth the money to do just one cycle.
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i know guys who love to tell me that they train just as hard as any guy on gear. im sorry to tell you, but you dont. gear allows you to train at an intensity you never knew existed while natural.
99% of the time this is true, but there are a select few who are natural and train as intense as any gear user out there. Likely? No, but these guys do exist.
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the point is to be honest. youll want to do more then just one cycle.
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lets just put this out there to all get biggers, ok... have any of you ever been able to just do one cycle, or even know anyone who has been totally satisfied after just one cycle and has gone natty ofther that? hello? anyone......??
I have done one cycle....... after another, after another, well you get the point ;D
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i am agree with dball
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I have done one cycle....... after another, after another, well you get the point ;D
;) :D ;D
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I have done one cycle....... after another, after another, well you get the point ;D
I pure love steroids with the passion..... as long as I have the strength to raise a needle I will be running cycles. I love how chics look at me.... I have the balls to say that even though I am a super nice guy, I love how little guys are intimidated. I love how my sex life is. I love how I feel when I am slam full of sustanon.
I love hopping on the scale at the grocery store and it making a loud noise like an ox stepped on it. I love taking D-BOL and going to the gym AND HAVING TO FORCE MYSELF TO LEAVE THE GYM BECAUSE IM PUSHING TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I also love all the bros both local and online that are running cycles. Its a good brotherhood and we look out for each other. I love the sight of 40 organon amps
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What are your goals? In all likelihood, your net gains, including losses after pct, would equal those gains made from a really good nutrition plan and training regimen. Personally, I think it's not worth the money to do just one cycle.
i disagree. keeping with the basic rules of any first time user, namely
1 that you already know how to lift correctly,
2 that you already know how to eat correctly,
3 that you have already built a solid base of muscle naturally, as well as built up your neuro-muscular system,
then packing on twenty pounds on a 12 week cycle is not unheard of. if you know how to do pct correctly, which you should by the time you start your first cycle, you could keep almost all of it. and even if you lost five pounds, how many naturals you know pack on 15 lbs a year after their first year. thats worth it to me.
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bump
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I got one at 18 too & now I've got about seven (about 40+ hours of work).
Cool bro, I liked what I got but I never had an urge to go back. I've got tribal around my upper arm, nothing special. 40 hours...that sounds whacked man what do you have?
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Arnold is a healthy governor now.
I cant go making all my decisions off af one persons experiences John, and Arnold is by no means a typical person. By that I mean the guy has made so much money he has access to the best of everything doctors, trainers, nutritionists etc.
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i disagree. keeping with the basic rules of any first time user, namely
1 that you already know how to lift correctly,
2 that you already know how to eat correctly,
3 that you have already built a solid base of muscle naturally, as well as built up your neuro-muscular system,
then packing on twenty pounds on a 12 week cycle is not unheard of. if you know how to do pct correctly, which you should by the time you start your first cycle, you could keep almost all of it. and even if you lost five pounds, how many naturals you know pack on 15 lbs a year after their first year. thats worth it to me.
Thats what I'm talking about, I would be ecstatic with a net growth of 15lbs and the strength that comes with it.
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I cant go making all my decisions off af one persons experiences John, and Arnold is by no means a typical person. By that I mean the guy has made so much money he has access to the best of everything doctors, trainers, nutritionists etc.
steroids are steroids no matter what calibre doctor you have....... and TRUST ME..... Arnold did not have a doctor administering the dosages of steroids that were goig through his system....... The point Im trying to make is that a few cycle ran properly in a logical fashion would not hurt you...... A million people have done it.
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How does the family feel about this?..............dont tell me you were not gonna tell them?
When you say them you mean my wife and kids right? Well I'm not exactly going to broadcast my usage of illegal drugs to my kids who are all under the age of 7, now when they become curious about these kinds of things I will spill the beans. I have tried to engage my wife in conversation about using, she says she wouldnt help me (I asked her to poke me in the ass for a change!). I dont think she really thinks I'm serious although I dont act as though I am joking. She says she thinks its cheating and its all about vanity(try to understand the level of knowledge in that opinion guys), I tell her that I want to do it for just a bit more strength. I want to be just a bit more capable of doing the kind of work I do, which sometimes can present physical challenges. But in all honesty I want more than anything to walk into the gym and slap on about 90 - 100 lbs more on my bench and squat and dead. With the type of work I do my progress is at a stand still from March to November, and what gains I do make over the winter I lose about half of when I go back to work.
I'm going to do my cycle, I just have to make myself order the goods. Thanks bro's.
ps Big John, were you bi-polar/manic depressive/obsessive compulsive/just plain weird before you started running cycles? If not please give me a detailed list of what products you used so I know what NOT to order! :P Just kidding hoss!
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When you say them you mean my wife and kids right? Well I'm not exactly going to broadcast my usage of illegal drugs to my kids who are all under the age of 7, now when they become curious about these kinds of things I will spill the beans. I have tried to engage my wife in conversation about using, she says she wouldnt help me (I asked her to poke me in the ass for a change!). I dont think she really thinks I'm serious although I dont act as though I am joking. She says she thinks its cheating and its all about vanity(try to understand the level of knowledge in that opinion guys), I tell her that I want to do it for just a bit more strength. I want to be just a bit more capable of doing the kind of work I do, which sometimes can present physical challenges. But in all honesty I want more than anything to walk into the gym and slap on about 90 - 100 lbs more on my bench and squat and dead. With the type of work I do my progress is at a stand still from March to November, and what gains I do make over the winter I lose about half of when I go back to work.
I'm going to do my cycle, I just have to make myself order the goods. Thanks bro's.
ps Big John, were you bi-polar/manic depressive/obsessive compulsive/just plain weird before you started running cycles? If not please give me a detailed list of what products you used so I know what NOT to order! :P Just kidding hoss!
nah bro i have a depression disorder that I have had since I was a little kid..... and bro I was just kidding with you when I said you have to run 5 ccyles to get big as me... bro Im only 214 lbs ........but some people do tell me im weird
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I tell her that I want to do it for just a bit more strength. I want to be just a bit more capable of doing the kind of work I do, which sometimes can present physical challenges. But in all honesty I want more than anything to walk into the gym and slap on about 90 - 100 lbs more on my bench and squat and dead.
this is why there is no such thing as "just one cycle" ledd. i understand your mentality, but the problem/ passion of bodybuilding is to constantly improve. when that 100lbs is finally added to to your max bench...it wont be good enough anymore.
if you can honestly say you are completely happy with every aspect of your life and never strive to achieve further greatness...then i can say that youll probably only do one cycle.
think of steroids as a car. a car gets you from point a to b....faster than walking. if you walk, youll still get there...but the car is a tool to get you there FASTER. soon, point a and point b will be farther away. you may not be able to walk there anymore....so jump back in that car.
we always strive for more: better cars, larger houses, higher incomes to keep your family more comfortable, promotions at work....its human nature.
do your cycle bro...test the waters. dont worry about the next cycle til you cross that bridge
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I'm going to do my cycle, I just have to make myself order the goods. Thanks bro's.
I'm just guessing but would say your reluctance to do this is because your wife will not support you in this endeavour. And if you don't tell her that would be deceitful.
Bro I'm not trying to bust your chops..........but when you are married the decisions you make for yourself affect the whole family.........there is no more MY or MYSELF. I would say you have to be upfront with her on this. I have learned this the hard way, significant others have a hard time finding out that the other person has been using drugs behind their back.........lots of family's end that way.
I know the gear has a strong pull............just be honest with the wife. Hiding and lying about it is a time bomb just waiting to blow up in your face. Now anyone else you never have to say a word to about your drug use.
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I'm just guessing but would say your reluctance to do this is because your wife will not support you in this endeavour. And if you don't tell her that would be deceitful.
Bro I'm not trying to bust your chops..........but when you are married the decisions you make for yourself affect the whole family.........there is no more MY or MYSELF. I would say you have to be upfront with her on this. I have learned this the hard way, significant others have a hard time finding out that the other person has been using drugs behind their back.........lots of family's end that way.
I know the gear has a strong pull............just be honest with the wife. Hiding and lying about it is a time bomb just waiting to blow up in your face. Now anyone else you never have to say a word to about your drug use.
every woman on the planet wants to lose a pound or two, so just get her on clenbuterol, problem solved---- HERE IS HOW i TOLD MY WIFE----She busted me on steroid sites one time,(before I started using) and I simply said to her---sweetheart, if there was something you could take that would help you to make your body exactly like you wanted it, would you take it? And she said: yes. So I introduced her to clenbuterol. She started cycleing that into her training regimen and we have been a happy illegal substance family ever since. Everytime I buy clenbuterol for me, she jacks it.
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Hey guys I know alot of you all are constantly cycling and thats cool, to each their own, but I want to do one cycle and no more. Is there a point to that? Will a person stay the same size with proper diet and pct, or would I eventually go back to my original size. I just want to do it once and I want to do it right, I am also afraid of the long term negative health effects if there are any with one cycle. I go back and forth on what I want to run the first time, ofcourse test is a given any suggestions on the oral? I want strength gains more than anything.
Don't waste your money. Save it for gym fees and chicken breasts.
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this is why there is no such thing as "just one cycle" ledd. i understand your mentality, but the problem/ passion of bodybuilding is to constantly improve. when that 100lbs is finally added to to your max bench...it wont be good enough anymore.
if you can honestly say you are completely happy with every aspect of your life and never strive to achieve further greatness...then i can say that youll probably only do one cycle.
think of steroids as a car. a car gets you from point a to b....faster than walking. if you walk, youll still get there...but the car is a tool to get you there FASTER. soon, point a and point b will be farther away. you may not be able to walk there anymore....so jump back in that car.
we always strive for more: better cars, larger houses, higher incomes to keep your family more comfortable, promotions at work....its human nature.
do your cycle bro...test the waters. dont worry about the next cycle til you cross that bridge
Very good points.
To add, after one cycle there is always that voice that causes doubt. Even if the cycle is a complete success, you begin to think about possible changes you could have made to make it an even more efficient cycle. Such as, "what if I'd run this instead of that, or stacked this with that, or ran it 16wks instead of 12wks? What if I'd trained a little harder, what if my diet was even better?" You keep reading more and more about AAS and learn more efficient ways to stack and run your cycles and better ways to perform your PCT. With all those thoughts in the back of your mind, it's easy to say to yourself, "OK, just one more cycle since I know a little more now." It's easy to see how this can become part of a revolving door scenario.
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You can never be happy until you bake yourself. Would I mean by this is, that no matter how much weight you lift pre or post cycle, one or two cycles, you'll never stop until your dead, or the weight increases. One is never enough to win your lust over.
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one death is enough buy one cycle is not !
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how did this thread get here? listen, ledd, the best thing you can do is read up as much as you can and find out as much as you can about what you want to do. do your cycle, see how you like it (you will) and then decide if you want to do another one. you might hate it, but most likely you will love it. there are side effects other than muscle and strength gain that many people dont talk about that are more addictive than the gains themselves, like that testosterone is a great mood enhancer and you walk around feeling like a million bucks, or - of course - the sexual side effects. once you swim in this lake, any other swimming hole just isnt the same. so weigh your options and choose wisely.
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Don't waste your money. Save it for gym fees and chicken breasts.
Agree if you wanna do just one cycle............never do the first one 8)
One cycle is not enough for any long term changes to your body.
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In all honesty we all began our pursuit of a stronger, better built body by a trial and error based system of training and nutritional experimentation to see what worked for us and what doesn't. Here is where this ties in with steroids bro, steroids in my humble opinion are best reserved for those individuals that have been throw all the process of elimination dieting and training and have already applied the what works aspects of both in thier daily lives. After a while this self aware individual stops making gains or hits a plateau if you will. There is where steroids should then and only then be considered. You take one cycle of steroids because you want to see what it will give you without seeing what proper training, dieting and sleep will get you, then you will probably gain 15 to 20lbs of which you will keep 0% of it. The roids will never make the athlete, only knowledge of what works for that person will. Steroids just help you past the sticking points and on to new levels. My first cycle was started after 5 years of hard training naturally. I am still learning what works and especially what doesn't after close to 9 years total training (5 naturally and close to 4 enhanced). My point is learn and perfect all the avenues you can naturally first and give yourself time to grow further and then make that educated descision. You will be that much better when it is said and done.
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hendog,
what does your 1st cycle looks like ?
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hendog,
what does your 1st cycle looks like ?
My first cycle was 500mg Test Enanthate ew, 400mgs Deca ew, 35 mgs DBol ed, 25mgs Proviron ed for 10 weeks. My PCT was Nolva 20mgs ed, Clomid and Clen all for 3weeks. The Nolva I actually ran for 5 weeks starting 2 weeks prior to end of cycle and the deca I cut off at week 7. Pretty good gains (approx 16lbs or so) and kept 11lbs of it. Looking back on it now I would have ran the Test E for 16 weeks then started PCT and I would have ran Eq in place of deca for 12 weeks. You live and learn from every cycle.
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you were decided !
the most BBs take deca/dbol. or deca.test.dbol stack for their 1st time !
did u experienced any side effects than ?
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you were decided !
the most BBs take deca/dbol. or deca.test.dbol stack for their 1st time !
did u experienced any side effects than ?
Other than higher than normal blood preasure and the common temper flare not really. It was a good cycle with decently kept gains. No sore nipples, not too much bloating, no deca dick (thanks to the test) It was a good cycle but like I said I would have done it differently substituting deca for EQ.