He's on borrowed time, but he looks to be in some decent shape."some decent shape"? Come on man - looks incredible for anyone much less a man on dialysis. Mad props to him.
"some decent shape"? Come on man - looks incredible for anyone much less a man on dialysis. Mad props to him.
If people would listen to his interview, you'd be more educated on his situation and not assume what the man goes through. www.muscleradio.com (http://www.muscleradio.com) gives the details of his current situation.
Fair comment but a high protien diet is a fucking nightmare on your kidneys, not to mention anything else he's taking. Just ask Flex Wheeler.He said himself his protein intake is not high.
I don't care what you say he's playing russian roulette
He said on the radio show he doesn't eat much protein. It was a good listen- they got pretty in depth with the nocturnal dialysis info. He's in good shape for a man with those problems. IFBB Pro Bber shape? Welllllllll... there's a reason he didn't send a pic showing the abs.I'll see what I can do to get you an ab shot 240. Don could step into the PDI lineup and be assured of at least a 2nd place finish. ;D
He said himself his protein intake is not high.
Every competitor plays "russian roulette" when they go to the extreme measures they do for shows. I've seen it on every level and doesn't matter if he has kidneys or not. Don is probably healthier then most of the guys he'll be comepting against for the simple fact he won't be on any dieurtics.
I hope you are right. I wish him the best. He looks good. While i appreciate all BB play russian roulette they don't all start out by being on dialysis.Fair enough. I wish him the best as well.
He said himself his protein intake is not high.
Every competitor plays "russian roulette" when they go to the extreme measures they do for shows. I've seen it on every level and doesn't matter if he has kidneys or not. Don is probably healthier then most of the guys he'll be comepting against for the simple fact he won't be on any dieurtics.
Don Long sent Muscleradio.com (http://Muscleradio.com) a couple pics of himself 12 weeks out. Don will be sending updated photos of his progress later this week...Well, Don looks better what he once was. Lets see how he does at the Olympia, after Ronnie retires of course. That would be the smart move. I wouldn't even worry about competing against Ronnie I would just worry about training and when the times right the times right you know.
Well, Don looks better what he once was. Lets see how he does at the Olympia, after Ronnie retires of course. That would be the smart move. I wouldn't even worry about competing against Ronnie I would just worry about training and when the times right the times right you know.Dude what contest you following? Don isn't competing in the Olympia - the Atlantic City show. These were 12 weeks out from the show and will have updated pics soon to show his improved condition.
Normally, I would never wish ill health on anyone. But when someone shows such contempt for the value of their own life, it's very tempting.
Normally, I would never wish ill health on anyone. But when someone shows such contempt for the value of their own life, it's very tempting.DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT LANCE ARMSTRONG AND ALONZO MORNING?I THINK WHAT HE'S DOING IS GREAT!BEST TO HIM..
DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT LANCE ARMSTRONG AND ALONZO MORNING?I THINK WHAT HE'S DOING IS GREAT!BEST TO HIM..
Dude what contest you following? Don isn't competing in the Olympia - the Atlantic City show. These were 12 weeks out from the show and will have updated pics soon to show his improved condition.Why is any other contest important other then the Olympia. Get to the IFBB level and then go to the Olympia see how you do. If you don't get second or third, don't worry about showing up for the next one.
DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT LANCE ARMSTRONG AND ALONZO MORNING?I THINK WHAT HE'S DOING IS GREAT!BEST TO HIM..
Lance lost one of his McNutts, not a kidney. I'm pretty sure. ;)
Hey Benny! Screw you!Good catch Iron Brother.
DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT LANCE ARMSTRONG AND ALONZO MORNING?I THINK WHAT HE'S DOING IS GREAT!BEST TO HIM..
Lance Armstong - Cancer
Don Long - Lost kidney due to massive druge use
YA JUST ABOUT THE SAME THING!!!!!!! ::)
Long is a grade A douche.
speculation as to why armstrong had cancer epo igf-1 insulin all undetectable and all used by cyclists
Well that could be true but I doubt it. Long lost his kidney from what he did to his body. Or at least vastly sped up the process. i doubt lance caused himself that cancer.
That is a good point. It could be a better analogy than I thought. Long is still a fool imo.
Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake? Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times. I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die. I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better. It was out of character for me. As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?This an attempt to add yourself to the "GRADE A DOUCHE LIST"?
Huh? When have I ever not been completely open about everything in my life? I have nothing to hide. If I was somehow ashamed of any of my actions maybe I would be.
My point is: some bodybuilders (Prince, Wheeler, Munzer, and Long too by the looks of it) should not be bodybuilding because they have personalities which lead to wreckless behaviour which can (or did) result in health problems or death. But does Momo deserve to be on this list? I'm asking if what he did was just out of character behaviour. If I had overdosed that night (which would have been physically impossible, not that I knew it at the time), it would have been very out of character. I'm not a wreckless person in general, and I'm asking if Momo was or was not.
If I had overdosed that night (which would have been physically impossible
I can respect drug dealers who make an effort to be socially responsible and sell what they are supposed to be selling.Wow, your parents must be proud.
I know drug dealers who are both completely irresponsible about it and completely responsible about it. Only the former are harming society.
Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake? Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times. I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die. I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better. It was out of character for me. As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?
Something doesn't look right in that first pic on the right shoulder. :-\
I know drug dealers who are both completely irresponsible about it and completely responsible about it. Only the former are harming society.
he always had real freaky delts...even back when he won the nationals which was pre synthol....Yeah, I guess. That's what I was thinking it was - synthol.
Wow, your parents must be proud.
Good list, but should Momo be in it or did he just make a mistake? Because in October when I tried E, I ended up taking two hits of strong stuff and also smoking a lot of grass when I had never done any drug ever before and only drank about 15 times. I obviously had no idea what to expect and at the peak of the high I thought I was going to die. I guess everyone screws up sometimes, even people who usually know better. It was out of character for me. As for Momo: maybe he just overdid the diuretics at that one show?
Normally, I would never wish ill health on anyone. But when someone shows such contempt for the value of their own life, it's very tempting.
It would derail this thread way too much in order for me to debate why drugs should be fully legalized and controlled.you're making too much sense, you should run for office but in this country that would mean you would have to pledge undying loyalty to Israel.
People will use drugs no matter what the law says. Legalization or lack thereof has little effect on demand or use.
It's only fitting for me to use bodybuilding as an example and even Don Long for that matter. Clearly law and his health didn't effect his decision to use drugs in any manner at all. I can only hope that he is at least using what he thinks he's using and doses and drug types are accurate.
Wouldn't it be so simple if telling people to stop doing drugs actually works? Well, it doesn't work so it's time for us as a society to formulate a more progressive model. Jailing perfectly moral and productive citizens for being caught with a gram of coke does nothing but harm for society. Creating an underground black market where the purity of drugs is not certain and criminal activity is funded does nothing but harm for society. Spending money on law enforcement as it relates to drug use does nothing but harm for society.
Understand that people will do drugs no matter what the law says.
I plan on doing steroids sometimes in the future and do you honestly think I care in any way at all about what the law says? Jail me for five years for all I care - I will do whatever I want to my own body. This attitude is very prevalent (as it should be).
igf-1 and growth hormaone can activate dormint cancer cells definitly not defending either guy or kncoking either one just letting you know
MONSTER SOAPBOXIsn't Matt C in Canada? I think the law is quite a bit more lax there.
Announcing to the world that you intend on committing a felony - MONSTER STUPIDITY
that would mean you would have to pledge undying loyalty to Israel.
MONSTER SOAPBOX
Announcing to the world that you intend on committing a felony - MONSTER STUPIDITY
See - I'm a smart guy. I've been educated and been through the system and I'm intelligent enough to know that me stating my intentions of using steroids is not enough for any sane law enforcement agent to spend thousands of dollars on an investigation to break down my door and find nothing in my house.Titus said similar things along the way...
I know how the government works and I know what's up and I know that there is nothing I've said here which can get me in trouble. However: even if it COULD, I would still say it, because I feel very strongly about my personal freedom to take any drug I choose. I wouldn't let law stop me as I mentioned previously, although it is irrelevant in this post because I said nothing which could incriminate me.
Nope. My experience with rec drugs has all been listed in here and it's not much to talk about at all. As far as prescribed drugs, I was on prozac in grade 10 for depression for three months or so To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if prozac is more toxic than popping a few dbols a day. Recognizing I was depressed was one of the best things I ever did and prozac really works. Things are so good now for me I can't even remember what it's like to be depressed, and I attribute a lot of that to the prozac. Drugs are wonderful, wonderful things if you respect them. And the same goes for rec drugs!
Meth is one of those drugs which is very bad because it can't really be moderated. Coke, E, alcohol, pot, etc, etc, all can be moderated. Can meth be though? I'm not so sure.
It has nothing to do with experience and everything to do with research into what these drugs do.
Have you researched the efficacy or mind altering effects of these drugs? Have you taken courses in psychopharmacology and do you actually know what these drugs do?
Cocaine CAN be moderated, just as alcohol can.
In fact, far fewer deaths occur from cocaine than alcohol per incidence of use. That is statistical fact.
I'm really not one to debate on these issues. If anyone who disagrees with me bothered to actually look at the scientific and medical studies done on these drugs they would realize I am right.
I once had the same opinion you did. I kept debating with someone until I was blue in the face until one day I went out and did the research and realized my friend was right.
I urge you to do the research and I think if you do you will see that my point of view is perfectly valid and very rational.
To begin, start here:
http://www.bbsnews.net/drug-deaths.html
i think i might start hanging around with the local crackwhores and crackheads, ill tell them that matt c off bodybuildingpro/getbig said their lifestyle was ok by him.who are you to judge?
who are you to judge?
i think i might start hanging around with the local crackwhores and crackheads, ill tell them that matt c off bodybuildingpro/getbig said their lifestyle was ok by him.
im just messing with matt, he seems to be having some kind of breakdown over the drug issue. ;Di wouldn't call it a meltdown, Matt is an intelligent guy, he's a guy who thinks out loud sometimes.
It's obvious at this point you are avoiding my attempts to intelligently debate the matter. I made an effort to try to relate to you or see some sort of middle ground but it seems you are set in your ways.Dude the only thing I'm suggesting is you seem to be suffering from Titusitus. Where one thinks they are larger then life and smarter then everyone.
Did Titus have a 130 IQ, an undergraduate degree in pure math, and numerous other degrees and academic achievements. ::)
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/resume.html
Didn't think so.
You seem to be suggesting that everyone who does rec drugs even once later becomes addicted and turns into a killer.
Millions of people use recreational drugs and the sweeping majority of them are not addicted or off murdering their mistress.
People kill people. People who use drugs kill people. It's time to stop pretending the issue is so simplistic as saying drugs cause everything bad in the word and start looking at the relevant issues in a critical manner.
Dude the only thing I'm suggesting is you seem to be suffering from Titusitus. Where one thinks they are larger then life and smarter then everyone.he's talking about Don abusing steroids after his sister was kind enough to give him one of her kidneys, that makes him a moron.
I could give two shits what you do, what crackpipe you hit, etc. You've rambled on and on about your stance on drugs. Sweet but WTF does that have anything to do with Don Long's 12 week out photos?
Dude the only thing I'm suggesting is you seem to be suffering from Titusitus. Where one thinks they are larger then life and smarter then everyone.
he's talking about Don abusing steroids after his sister was kind enough to give him one of her kidneys, that makes him a moron.Nice ASSumption, but you don't know what Don is or isn't taking. Ever stop and think that maybe Don did his own research before deciding to compete?
Nice ASSumption, but you don't know what Don is or isn't taking. Ever stop and think that maybe Don did his own research before deciding to compete?hahahaha, come on Isaac, i may have been born at night but it wasn't last night, even if he's using half of what he was using before it's still too much.
Well...Usually... So is this one of those times in which you're not totally sure on... Do you have a high level of confidence that you know what Don is doing in his prep for this show?
I usually only debate matters that I have a high level of confidence in. There are a lot of things I don't know, and I'm still learning. The things I am vocal about are things that I have put a lot of thought and research into. There isn't always one right answer.
lol, no, no. Moderation is cool. ;)
Thanks, yes that is my point!! I believe in respecting drugs and I don't feel Don is doing that. I think a lot on here share that opinion.
I can assure you, you don't.
Usually... So is this one of those times in which you're not totally sure on... Do you have a high level of confidence that you know what Don is doing in his prep for this show?do you? are you there with him 24 hours a day?
I can assure you, you don't.
I can assure you have something against Matt C and won't admit to it.HAHA - yes I hold him responsible for wasting 10 minutes of my life reading and responding to his posts that have nothing to do with Don Long's photos.
I suppose I do not, but I can't see it being possible for him to be the size he is now without anabolics.Dude - listen to the interview Don did on Muscleradio - he won't take any diuretics and his protein intake is low. He doesn't need to use diurectics due to nocternal dialysis.
My fear with Don is diuretic use and high protein intake though, not so much anabolics.
See, the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" would have showed that the method in which I debated my point is the way it should be debated.
It really speaks on your inability to open your mind if you can't see my point of view. Believe me, I'm aware of the harm that drugs do. In fact, I will go further as to say that we are both looking for a system that creates the greatest utility and benefit for society as a whole.
You think keeping drugs illegal does this. I think we learned in the twenties that prohibition doesn't work. Prohibition of drugs does not increase the supply or demand of drugs in any significant manner and there are countless negative things that it does do. It creates an underground economy which funds criminals, it creates purity issues which result in health problems which wouldn't have otherwise been there, and it costs the federal government billions of dollars in enforcement which could have otherwise been spent on education of health care. It also fills jails up with users of drugs whose only crime was putting a substance in THEIR body. Something which the government has no moral right to prohibit.
My body - my choice. Period.
Do you honestly think calling someone stupid will change their point of view?
Also, something to think about: if everyone was open about their drug use, the government would be unable to fight drug use. When I go to the clubs, upwards of 75% of the patrons are using illegal drugs. If they all made it clear that was the case, do you think the police would go ahead and arrest all of them? Of course not. I would say that at least 80% of the population in North America has tried an illegal drugs at some point or another. If anyone was upfront and admitted that do you think 80% of the population would be sent to prisons? Of course not.
Here is something maybe you can agree with me on: the current system does NOT work. That is obvious and the proof is all around us. I could make ONE phone call and get an ounce of coke in my hand. Obviously prohibition doesn't stop people from having availability of drugs and the current "war" on drugs is a complete failure.
It's not to find a system that is more progressive. Is the answer full legalization and control of drugs? In my opinion, and in countless research I've read by economists, philosophers, sociologists, and everyone in between - yes. But then again, I may be wrong. The only thing I know for certain is that the current system does not work and has harmed thousands of people and cost billions of dollars.
JAy's wife is a nurse, i think. His stuff probably comes from some shady ass LV doc.
hahahah His diaylysis machine is in overdrive and starting to smoke.....hahahah
It's great to see Don risk it all for the sport.
You know, when Don was competing as an amateur I thought he had tremendous potential and when he ended his pro career the 1st time due to organ failure I was sad to see him go. Several years have passed and I see him "making a comeback" and like many others I'm seeing him headed straight for a coffin. Much like Mad Mazz, I enjoyed following his career, but if that dude fully recovers from his heart surgery and tries to "make a comeback" he's a damn fool. And don't feed me this, "but I don't know anything but bb" crap...go learn something new then. I ain't sayin to stop trainin.....I'm just sayin to lay off the sauce and pursue something different. This first round of competitive bb almost killed these guys.....the 2nd round will kill these guys. I know Arvilla and others compliment every bb that posts a pic, but c'mon that kinda encouragement is gonna put the nail in their coffins. BBs feed off of the praise of others....it's as much of an addiction as the mass amounts of chemicals they inject. I think Don looks great, but he's a fool for gettin on that damn sauce again. Sarcasm is right, he looks the same as he did before; hence, he's using a pro level cycle of gear similar to what he was before.
He gonna die.
What if he is natural?
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! Alexxx bringin the funny AHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!
Good one!!!!
Surely he cannot be so stupid as to keep risking his own life and that of his beloved sister!