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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
enjoy hulkster. ;D
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its hard to knock the champion off the block.
An interview from 7 years ago before Coleman was established or had established physical dominance is empty. The part about knocking a champ off the block is a direct acknowledgement of the political hijinks BTW.
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
enjoy hulkster. ;D
I think Ronnie was just being humble. At the time, Ronnie had only one O trophy, Dorian had six.
BTW, I'm not a Ronnie fan.
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An interview from 7 years ago before Coleman was established or had established physical dominance is empty. The part about knocking a champ off the block is a direct acknowledgement of the political hijinks BTW.
Exactly. This would be news, had it been stated last week. But 7 years ago or whatever, please....... ::)
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yeah ok, but those queefs post old pictures like that, and people constantly talk about the 99 ronnie, the 98 this vs the 97 dorian.. give me a fucking break
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yeah ok, but those queefs post old pictures like that, and people constantly talk about the 99 ronnie, the 98 this vs the 97 dorian.. give me a fucking break
exactly.
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Hey!!! Lets get this thread to 400 pages. :D
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At the time of the quote, Ronnie was still having a hard time believing he was even a one time Mr. Olympia. Remember, he was as shocked as anyone that he actually won.
You really think that after coming out of nowhere and winning the O. that he would say that he could beat someone who won it 6 times?
I highly doubt it.
Can you imagine how bad (arrogant) that would have made Ronnie seem?
Ronnie may be dumb, but he ain't stupid 8)
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ronnie makes more money in one year than most people on this board put together ;D
He is not dumb or stupid.
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also graduated with honors from grambling with a degree in accounting.
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Later Dorian said Ronnie would beat him hands down
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
enjoy hulkster. ;D
Actually, I disagree with this. If Dorian went into the 1998 olympia looking like he did in 1997 and Ronnie were there in the shape he was, Ronnie would win. The 1997 Dorian was not good enough to defeat the 1998 Ronnie. Sure, Dorian would win because reigning standard-bearers don't lose. But the bottom-line is that, physique-wise, Ronnie had the better physique when compared to the 1997 Dorian. Yes, a 270 lbs Dorian destroys a 249 Ronnie in muscularity - and he's still harder! -, but Ronnie's advantages in taper and details would be too great to be overlooked. I think a 249 lbs Ronnie should defeat a 270 Dorian for the same reasons a 257 lbs Dorian should defeat a 287 lbs Ronnie: better taper, better abdominals and serratus and more separations. Muscularity without anything else should not win contests; the most muscular man should not win, if his muscles have less quality and his overrall symmetry is worst. That's my opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Actually, I disagree with this. If Dorian went into the 1998 olympia looking like he did in 1997 and Ronnie were there in the shape he was, Ronnie would win. The 1997 Dorian was not good enough to defeat the 1998 Ronnie. Sure, Dorian would win because reigning standard-bearers don't lose. But the bottom-line is that, physique-wise, Ronnie had the better physique when compared to the 1997 Dorian. Yes, a 270 lbs Dorian destroys a 249 Ronnie in muscularity - and he's still harder! -, but Ronnie's advantages in taper and details would be too great to be overlooked. I think a 249 lbs Ronnie should defeat a 270 Dorian for the same reasons a 257 lbs Dorian should defeat a 287 lbs Ronnie: better taper, better abdominals and serratus and more separations. Muscularity without anything else should not win contests; the most muscular man should not win, if his muscles have less quality and his overrall symmetry is worst. That's my opinion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Meltdown
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Sucky is melting all over the place ;D
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why didn't you just post this in the ronnie vs dorian thread you moron.
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Meltdown
Kiwi-fruit, go back to the alphabet boards with the other gay nerds, like your boss/John, "sarcasm", and leave the grown ups alone. I'm seriously considering PMing Ron about this shit. it seems like one can't make a serious post in this board without getting flammed(well, in your case, "flamming" is understandable, Kiwi-fruit ;D) by morons who aren't even bodybuilding fans, and who's posts are composed of nothing other than the words "meltdown" and "owned". You suck.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: Your response to "superman" was the most retarded, unwitty babbling ever. Again, you suck.
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Kiwi-fruit, go back to the alphabet boards with the other gay nerds, like your boss/John, "sarcasm", and leave the grown ups alone. I'm seriously considering PMing Ron about this shit. it seems like one can't make a serious post in this board without getting flammed(well, in your case, "flamming" is understandable, Kiwi-fruit ;D) by morons who aren't even bodybuilding fans, and who's posts are composed of nothing other than the words "meltdown" and "owned". You suck.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: Your response to "superman" was the most retarded, unwitty babbling ever. Again, you suck.
Meltdown
Edit*:I'm seriously considering PMing Ron about this shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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why didn't you just post this in the ronnie vs dorian thread you moron.
Because I don't have to, turd. I can post it wherever I want. And until Ron Avidan says otherwise, it will remain so.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Because I don't have to, turd. I can post it wherever I want. And until Ron Avidan says otherwise, it will remain so.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You only posted it here, beacuse everyone on that gayass thread ignores each other ::)
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Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
enjoy hulkster. ;D
LMFAO Hulkster gets owned by his hero lol right before according to Hulkster his best Mr Olympia showing ever !! lol oh man this is to good . IceCold is the man . the excuses are now flowing like wine on GetBig from Camp-Coleman.
brutal ownage using Ronnies words. this is Gold .
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At the time of the quote, Ronnie was still having a hard time believing he was even a one time Mr. Olympia. Remember, he was as shocked as anyone that he actually won.
You really think that after coming out of nowhere and winning the O. that he would say that he could beat someone who won it 6 times?
I highly doubt it.
Can you imagine how bad (arrogant) that would have made Ronnie seem?
Ronnie may be dumb, but he ain't stupid 8)
" Jay must be smoking crack to think he can ever beat me lol he better be reborn with better genetics to think he could ever beat me. "
Yes he doesn't want to appear like he's arrogant lol
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well, according to hulkster and pimpster, dorian is the most overrated bber of all time, but according to ronnie coleman he's a pretty good bodybuilder. in fact, even admits that he would not beat dorian.
hmmmm.
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Ronnie's southern drawl only makes him sound dumb. Seems to me that as far as his actions go, both competitively, financially, and all areas in between, he is very intelligent.
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Yes, Ronnie is an intelligent dude. the man graduated CUM LADE and has B.S in accounting from Grambling State University
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Why did he become a police officer if he has a degree in accounting?
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Why did he become a police officer if he has a degree in accounting?
to answer your question, here's the answer
The move to Texas – and the toughest years
Ronnie left Louisiana for Dallas, where he expected to find greater job opportunities in his chosen field. Instead, he was denied time after time in his quest, and delivered newspapers, and pizzas for Domino’s to make ends meet. "Domino’s was the hardest job I ever had," he recalls. "I dreaded every day working there, but I knew I was destined for something better." One day while skimming through the want ads in the newspaper, he saw that the police department in Arlington, a Dallas suburb, was hiring. The idea of better pay and job benefits appealed to Ronnie, and he joined the force. He had always lifted weights, and continued to do so in the police station weight room. In 1989, one of his fellow officers persuaded him to check out Metroflex Gym, which had been open just two years, but was already known as the best hardcore gym around, home to many competitive bodybuilders and powerlifters.
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Meltdown
Edit*: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hahahahahh, "sucksmalemembers" melted down twice on one page. nice work kiwiol
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Lets focus our hatred on the IFBB instead. The comment was about how even if Ronnie was in his incredible 98 prime, and Dorian was at the end of his reign with one arm, they would have still given it to Dorian, if only in the posing round. That's the kind of spin I'm talkin' about.
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Lets focus our hatred on the IFBB instead. The comment was about how even if Ronnie was in his incredible 98 prime, and Dorian was at the end of his reign with one arm, they would have still given it to Dorian, if only in the posing round. That's the kind of spin I'm talkin' about.
Dorian would have won in 98 because he didn't have gyno :P
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1998 and 1999 were Ronnie's best showings judging from a shape perspective. In terms of sheer dominance, Ronnie's performance at the 2003 Mr. Olympia would beat EVERY performance in the history of bodybuilding by any standard - period.
Matt you make a very bold claim but did you put much thought into it? Ronnie in 2003 dominated who exactly? lol a flat Jay Cutler and a 225lb Dexter Jackson. and he's supposed to beat ' EVERY ' performance in the history of bodybuilding by any standdard? lol you Coleman fans all have on thing in common delusion lol
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Your 310+ pages thread about Ronnie and Dorian wasn't enough so you start a new one? Why don't you get your own domain and put a message board on that one? DorianvsRonnie.com
Then after you, ronnie and dorian are dead your children can continue the debate...
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Your 310+ pages thread about Ronnie and Dorian wasn't enough so you start a new one? Why don't you get your own domain and put a message board on that one? DorianvsRonnie.com
Then after you, ronnie and dorian are dead your children can continue the debate...
Did I start this thread? lol
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Your 310+ pages thread about Ronnie and Dorian wasn't enough so you start a new one? Why don't you get your own domain and put a message board on that one? DorianvsRonnie.com
Then after you, ronnie and dorian are dead your children can continue the debate...
lol
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Your 310+ pages thread about Ronnie and Dorian wasn't enough so you start a new one? Why don't you get your own domain and put a message board on that one? DorianvsRonnie.com
Then after you, ronnie and dorian are dead your children can continue the debate...
not a bad idea at all.
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lol!
Sorry, but I disagree about delusion. ;)
Ronnie would essentially beat anyone by virtue of his sheer muscle size and small waist. Say what you will about his gut he was the biggest bodybuilder ever to have proportions fitting of a bodybuilder. He was definitely not blocky yet weighed 287 pounds! How can you honestly say another pro would beat him?
His stomach was not great, but not all that bad in 2003!!
small waist? lol Matt he dominated a flat Jay and a 225lb Dexter thats one thing. but to say every other bodybuilder ever is just wishfull thinking .
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lol!
Sorry, but I disagree about delusion. ;)
Ronnie would essentially beat anyone by virtue of his sheer muscle size and small waist. Say what you will about his gut he was the biggest bodybuilder ever to have proportions fitting of a bodybuilder. He was definitely not blocky yet weighed 287 pounds! How can you honestly say another pro would beat him?
His stomach was not great, but not all that bad in 2003!!
imo, the 2003 version of ronnie was awesome. i think the only version that would maybe beat dorian, but it still would be close.
my whole point was the hulkster and pumpster make it seem like comparing dorian to ronnie is like comparing ronnie vs. kamali/ken jones. when that's not true, if ronnie did beat dorian, it would be very close and awfully competitive and vice versa.
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Of course he would have won. The reigning Mr. Olympia will always win.
not so. oliva lost to arnold at the 70 o, correct? didnt arnold beat all at the 80 o? wasnt zane there? that would be 2.
did samir compete at the o the year after he won? that would be 3. im on a roll baby!!!!!
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small waist? lol Matt he dominated a flat Jay and a 225lb Dexter thats one thing. but to say every other bodybuilder ever is just wishfull thinking .
Hah. You know matt c to speak the truth yet your hatred for ronnie and refusal to admit, that sometimes, yes sometimes, your actually wrong, prevents you from openly admitting it.
sad
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An interview from 7 years ago before Coleman was established or had established physical dominance is empty. The part about knocking a champ off the block is a direct acknowledgement of the political hijinks BTW.
Why do you assume Dorian would not have continued to put on size, had he not injured himself? Coleman would be playing catch-up. Unfortunately, Dorian Yates had some bad luck.
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Hah. You know matt c to speak the truth yet your hatred for ronnie and refusal to admit, that sometimes, yes sometimes, your actually wrong, prevents you from openly admitting it.
sad
Again your assumpion that I ' hate ' Ronnie is sad . and because you agree with his opinion it becomes truth? you guys have been brainwashed by Mucular Development into thinking 2003 is the best example of any bodybuilder ever ::) and your always bitching about Yates' atrocious aesthetics 2003 is right up there with him .
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Again your assumpion that I ' hate ' Ronnie is sad . and because you agree with his opinion it becomes truth? you guys have been brainwashed by Mucular Development into thinking 2003 is the best example of any bodybuilder ever ::) and your always bitching about Yates' atrocious aesthetics 2003 is right up there with him .
ND once again interpretating everything someone says literaly and taking it all to heart.
I'd rather be "brainwashed" by muscular development than flex magazine any day of the week. ;)
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Hats off for Yates knowing when to retire.
Ronnie took the sport to a new level Yates himself said so.
Ronnie is the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport!!
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Breaking news: Ronnie is dominant
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ND once again interpretating everything someone says literaly and taking it all to heart.
I'd rather be "brainwashed" by muscular development than flex magazine any day of the week. ;)
Yes we should follow MD especially when they said the ONLY reason Gunther beat Ronnie in 2002 was because he was white ::) because Ronnie looked so spectacular that day. ::) Ronnie knows who the man was and he gave him is respect thats more that can be said for the lot of you. ;)
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Hats off for Yates knowing when to retire.
Ronnie took the sport to a new level Yates himself said so.
Ronnie is the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport!!
Another baseless claim ::) out of all his Mr Olympia wins Ronnie only dominated 3 times 99/00/03 the rest were either very close calls or not perfect. come on get with the program.
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Only three times ...
When he is on he is at a different level wake up
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Your 310+ pages thread about Ronnie and Dorian wasn't enough so you start a new one? Why don't you get your own domain and put a message board on that one? DorianvsRonnie.com
Then after you, ronnie and dorian are dead your children can continue the debate...
lol...what's this fool's obsession with Dorian and coleman. that 310+ fcuking pages is not enough for him. he should send a note to dorian and coleman and tell them about this 310+ nonsense pages on getbig, maybe they'll send him a tip. PLEASE, STOP THE ASS-KISSING. CANT TAKE ANOTHER 310+ PAGES OF BULLSHIT
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Another baseless claim ::) out of all his Mr Olympia wins Ronnie only dominated 3 times 99/00/03 the rest were either very close calls or not perfect. come on get with the program.
Scores mean little.
End of the day - most winningest pro ever,
oh and is tied for most Mr O titles
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Ronnie is the most dominant bodybuilder in the history of the sport!!
Only if you're talking about him being the most politiclly dominnt Sandow-bearer ever. I mean, guys who loses both the muscularity and symmetry rounds and still wins the contest, with nothing other than his free posing routine, must certinly have a lot of political clout. :o ;D something never heard off before, at any contest, either amateur or pro. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I dont see why its political.
There are more marketable people than ronnie
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Scores mean little.
End of the day - most winningest pro ever,
oh and is tied for most Mr O titles
No they mean that people shouldn't be claiming he's the most dominant when in fact he's not . most winningest pro ever yes but whats his win percentage rate? 42% Dorian's was 88% of course that means nothing to a Coleman fan
And he's very very lucky to have 4 of those Olympia titles 98/01/02/04 they should call him the gift.
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No they mean that people shouldn't be claiming he's the most dominant when in fact he's not . most winningest pro ever yes but whats his win percentage rate? 42% Dorian's was 88% of course that means nothing to a Coleman fan
And he's very very lucky to have 4 of those Olympia titles 98/01/02/04 they should call him the gift.
You stand alone in your assessment.
Tell me this: what do your brethren over at ironage think about your endless silly debates over here on getbig.
Are they even aware that you moonlight as a forum troll?
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You stand alone in your assessment.
Tell me this: what do your brethren over at ironage think about your endless silly debates over here on getbig.
Are they even aware that you moonlight as a forum troll?
Sorry to disappoint you sport but I don't stand alone in that assesment. the judges agree with me. Ronnie won by 3 points in 1998 he's very lucky they didn't pick Flex over him just based on name. 01 he ' won ' by just 4 points after losing both the symmetry & muscularity rounds. 2002 he beat Kevin by just 9 points even though he was just terrible. 2004 another gift way overweight and carrying a ton of water he won by just 3 points . so sorry sport those are 4 contests that could have gone either way he was a very lucky bodybuilder on those occascions.
Go ask the Ironage members what they think unless you're one of those guys who got booted for ' nothing ' ::)
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the key is he won!!!!!!!
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the key is he won!!!!!!!
No one is claiming he didn't win on those occasions just he wasn't dominant . thats all .
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Unfortunatly you need straight firsts to be considered dominant by ND.
Hmmmm, the crowd never seem to bothered with ronnie winning yet you are.
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if dominant isnt winning eight in a row i dont know what is
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if dominant isnt winning eight in a row i dont know what is
Straight firsts in every single round is dominant. 99/00/03 were all clear cut dominant wins for Ronnie. 98/01/02/04 were all very close and could have went either way.
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if dominant isnt winning eight in a row i dont know what is
This is where ND goes on about how he came back after losing the symmetry and muscularity rounds in 2001, something unprecedented in the history of the sport or he'll focus on the 2002 SOS where ronnie lost to gunter.
its called clutching at straws
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The 2002 gnc was a publicity stunt to put the new show on the map
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This is where ND goes on about how he came back after losing the symmetry and muscularity rounds in 2001, something unprecedented in the history of the sport or he'll focus on the 2002 SOS where ronnie lost to gunter.
its called clutching at straws
Wrong its called facts and history. Lee Haney & Dorian Yates dominated their competition in the like Ronnie Coleman has NOT this is history chichi .
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The 2002 gnc was a publicity stunt to put the new show on the map
Wow and talk about IRONY that Gunther shows up 300lbs Ripped and Ronnie shows up 245lbs looking like garbage ::) get serious.
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ok nd you win ronnie can take some comfort from looking at his sandows all eight
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Ronnie was around 270 for the gnc gunter looked great but hes no coleman
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ok nd you win ronnie can take some comfort from looking at his sandows all eight
Ronnie knows so should you ;)
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Ronnie knows so should you ;)
Coleman was wrong just like you ;)
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was that pic right before cutler failed his diuretic test in my opinion the only person who came close to beating Ronnie was Levrone when Ronnie came in too light
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was that pic right before cutler failed his diuretic test in my opinion the only person who came close to beating Ronnie was Levrone when Ronnie came in too light
Thats correct so even if ronnie lost he won.
Heres the part where ND draws parellels betwen wearing multi coloured posing trunks and use of banned diuretcis as warranting the same punishment.
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Coleman was wrong just like you ;)
He lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds in the Mr Olympia and won the posing rounds lol he lost the most important part of the competition. he lost and he knows it .
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He lost the symmetry & muscularity rounds in the Mr Olympia and won the posing rounds lol he lost the most important part of the competition. he lost and he knows it .
But he won ;)
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I bet cutler thought great i won the first two rounds as they handed the sandow to ronnie
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But he won ;)
Yes he won most certainly and I don't believe it was fixed either . but Cutler more than just won the prejudging he took Coleman's invincibility away .
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Yes he won most certainly and I don't believe it was fixed either . but Cutler more than just won the prejudging he took Coleman's invincibility away .
Its funny how you so readily accept that jay won the prejuding yet see it fit to criticize almost every one of colemans victories.
Could that be a hint of bias there.
I don't think it would matter who beat ronnie coleman to you, just as long as they beat him right?
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ND lets agree to disagree
by the way your wrong
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Its funny how you so readily accept that jay won the prejuding yet see it fit to criticize almost every one of colemans victories.
Could that be a hint of bias there.
I don't think it would matter who beat ronnie coleman to you, just as long as they beat him right?
Man you keep throwing up shots and keep getting them smacked away lol No I'm not Coleman biased if that was the case I could have been bitching an moaning that Flex should have won in 98 seeing I'm a huge Flex Wheeler fan but you know what ? I didn't ;) Ronnie was the better man in 98 and deserved to win. now do you feel stupid? because you sure look it.
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I dont see why its political.
There are more marketable people than ronnie
Like...a White British guy...? Sorry, but having a White Anglo-Saxon as Mr.Olympia is not very PC. Seriously, Dorian Yates is so Waspish, but so Waspish, that he makes the Summer vacationers in Nantucket seem like illegal Mexican immigrants, in comprison. You can't get any more un-PC than having a White English guy as the Sandow-bearer. If you want to be PC, then you give the Sandow to a Black guy who's a national.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I dont think its a pc decision ronnie is the best at the minute
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Like...a White British guy...? Sorry, but having a White Anglo-Saxon as Mr.Olympia is not very PC. Seriously, Dorian Yates is so Waspish, but so Waspish, that he makes the Summer vacationers in Nantucket seem like illegal Mexican immigrants, in comprison. You can't get any more un-PC than having a White English guy as the Sandow-bearer. If you want to be PC, then you give the Sandow to a Black guy who's a national.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
dont forget the "skin" tatoos that he had removed.
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Dorian is no racist