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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: candidate2025 on August 21, 2006, 06:52:05 PM
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daammnnnnn this fool is a savage. hes like a fuckin mad bull and shit.
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even though you talk like a tool...
you're right...it's a toss up between him and mark kerr for the most savage fighter i've ever seen.
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Most explosive puncher of all time...
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Craziest fighter of all time ;D
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i was watching was of Fedor's fights and an announcer said Fedor
could out box Mike Tyson when mike was in his prime. or something
along those lines.
anyone..... who the said that?
do you agree or disagree?
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i was watching was of Fedor's fights and an announcer said Fedor
could out box Mike Tyson when mike was in his prime. or something
along those lines.
anyone..... who the said that?
do you agree or disagree?
Fedor is amazing but he wouldn't stand a chance.
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i was watching was of Fedor's fights and an announcer said Fedor
could out box Mike Tyson when mike was in his prime. or something
along those lines.
anyone..... who the said that?
do you agree or disagree?
The only person who could beat Tyson in a stand up boxing match when tyson was in his prime. Is, Was< and ALWAYS WILL BE TYSON AND ONLY TYSON...... IMO
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The only person who could beat Tyson in a stand up boxing match when tyson was in his prime. Is, Was< and ALWAYS WILL BE TYSON AND ONLY TYSON...... IMO
I agree completely.
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In s street fight both at their prime my bet fedor will put to shame Mike Tyson.
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In s street fight both at their prime my bet fedor will put to shame Mike Tyson.
Wow, that's a bold claim with it being a street fight and all when Tyson is a boxer. ::)
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Wow, that's a bold claim with it being a street fight and all when Tyson is a boxer. ::)
i agree completly, in a street fight tyson could get kicked, taken to the ground, etc.... and the man has never trained for that. But on the same hand i think tyson might win in a street fight, for one simple reason it's a street fight how you think fedor would handle having his whole ear or nose or face bit off. Like i said NO ONE COULD BEAT TYSON IN HIS PRIME BUT HIMSELF.... tyson was the youngest man ever crowned heavy weight champion of the world..AT 20....He was the undisputed world champ at 21.... He defeated an undefeated ex-champion Michael Spinks in 91 seconds... he followed 2 fights later with a 93-second rout of Carl "The Truth" Williams. this is just a little of his good points TYSON was probally one of the best if not the best heavyweights of all time.
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I agree completely.
simple minds think alike ::)
tyson is the most overrated boxer ever
he has no wins over a great fighter unless you want to count the over the hill larry holmes win
he would kill fedor in a boxing match though
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TYSON was probally one of the best if not the best heavyweights of all time.
hahahahahahaha
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i think this guy is the best fighter of all time ...........
http://www.bofunk.com/video/3549/free_kung_fu_lessons.html
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Best fighter of all time is Frank Dux
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ive said it before, if you took ALL the greatest HW boxers at their absolute prime and fought them off, Tyson would walk out as the best with a swagger. Nobody could touch him, nobody has ever had his power/skill combination and blended it so well with his aggression
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ive said it before, if you took ALL the greatest HW boxers at their absolute prime and fought them off, Tyson would walk out as the best with a swagger. Nobody could touch him, nobody has ever had his power/skill combination and blended it so well with his aggression
It's about the best fighter, and that means you need more than boxing skills alone. I agree, Tyson was a beast in his prime, and not easy to beat in a street fight. But, a skilled fighter, trained in (Brazilian) Jiu Jitsu, or Krav Maga etcetera, must be able to beat him.
I bet the absolute best fighter at this very moment is somebody, unknown to the crowd, no.
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It's about the best fighter, and that means you need more than boxing skills alone. I agree, Tyson was a beast in his prime, and not easy to beat in a street fight. But, a skilled fighter, trained in (Brazilian) Jiu Jitsu, or Krav Maga etcetera, must be able to beat him.
I bet the absolute best fighter at this very moment is somebody, unknown to the crowd, no.
sounds like youre describing Marco Ruas! lol
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ive said it before, if you took ALL the greatest HW boxers at their absolute prime and fought them off, Tyson would walk out as the best with a swagger. Nobody could touch him, nobody has ever had his power/skill combination and blended it so well with his aggression
what do you base this on he never beat a top fighter that will be remembered for many years
tyson did well during a weak era almost as bad as today's era
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i base it on the reasons i previously said. There isnt a HW in history that would beat him in his prime
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what do you base this on he never beat a top fighter that will be remembered for many years
tyson did well during a weak era almost as bad as today's era
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I totally agree,
Mike Tyson's so called "prime", is basically him looking good against chumps. The only "names" he beat in his prime were, Larry holmes ( Holmes was past his prime and pushing 40 years old) and Michael Spinks ( a blown up light heavyweight, that like Tyson, did alright in a nearly dead division)
Ike Ibeabuchi is like the Tyson of the late 90's, except he could take a punch, that guy could have been something.
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Best fighter of all time is Frank Dux
LMAO, the real one or the one Van Dam played in the movie "Bloodsport"?
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Tyson was the greatest fighter God ever created.
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I totally agree,
Mike Tyson's so called "prime", is basically him looking good against chumps. The only "names" he beat in his prime were, Larry holmes ( Holmes was past his prime and pushing 40 years old) and Michael Spinks ( a blown up light heavyweight, that like Tyson, did alright in a nearly dead division)
Ike Ibeabuchi is like the Tyson of the late 90's, except he could take a punch, that guy could have been something.
Good call on Ike. Too bad he had to rape that stripper in Vegas and go insane. His fight with David Tua was a real classic.
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In s street fight both at their prime my bet fedor will put to shame Mike Tyson.
You guys know anythng about Mike. He grew up beating up people and getting in fights everyday on the streets till Gus took him in. He is a "true" streetfighter. Now saying that, I don't think he would beat some guys in the Octagon but he does have street savvy. And to tell you the truth he is a scapper and getting him on the ground could be harder than you think, but once he is there he would be done.
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Name on fighter, in tier prime that could take 10 solid hooks from Tyson in his prime.... Shit most people he boxed couldnt take 3........ So tell me your great HW that could take 10 tyson shots and still have enough sense to box with tyson... look at how tyson ducks and weaves so fast... against a can or a champ its still him doing the same move and hitting with tha same power...
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Name on fighter, in tier prime that could take 10 solid hooks from Tyson in his prime.... Shit most people he boxed couldnt take 3........ So tell me your great HW that could take 10 tyson shots and still have enough sense to box with tyson... look at how tyson ducks and weaves so fast... against a can or a champ its still him doing the same move and hitting with tha same power...
Most, if not all, top ten fighters in their prime would be too smart to get caught by 10 solid hooks from Tyson. They would just easily outbox him and break his will, then he would mentally fold. Like Earl1972 said, "Tyson did well during a weak era".
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Most, if not all, top ten fighters in their prime would be too smart to get caught by 10 solid hooks from Tyson. They would just easily outbox him and break his will, then he would mentally fold. Like Earl1972 said, "Tyson did well during a weak era".
I'm not saying that all 10 hooks come at the same time...I'm saying in a fight period. Tyson had some of the heaviest hands to ever throw on a pair of gloves..(BOXING) cmon i dont think Ali took shots from foreman, But they werent shots from tyson..Rocky couldnt have taken shots from tyson. Foreman wouldve got beaten badly...IF NOT TYSON THEN WHO? ? ? ? ? I CANT WAIT TO HEAR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just because he hits hard doesn't make him the best fighter of all time. Tyson had no heart, and still has no heart. Once you cracked him a few times he would mentally fold. If the name of this thread was "The hardest puncher of all time" then you could make an argument for Tyson. The best fighter of all time, (in this case boxer) would not only need punching power, but boxing ability, stamina, a chin/heart and solid wins against top primed fighters, Tyson has almost none of those. Make this argument on any boxing forum and you will be ridiculed. Anyone who is more than a casual boxing fan would agree Tyson is not the best fighter of all time.
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I consider tyson to be a top 12 heavyweight of all time
don't buy into the hype
he was exciting to watch, which is why everybody has been on his nutsack for the last 20 years :P
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I consider tyson to be a top 12 heavyweight of all time
don't buy into the hype
he was exciting to watch, which is why everybody has been on his nutsack for the last 20 years :P
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top 12? hahahaha, this retard gets funnier by the day.
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I consider tyson to be a top 12 heavyweight of all time
don't buy into the hype
he was exciting to watch, which is why everybody has been on his nutsack for the last 20 years :P
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one more remark like that and youre banned from here! ::)
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one more remark like that and youre banned from here! ::)
Watch out Scrimowser, Earl is going to attack you for knowing more about MMA than him. ::)
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Just because he hits hard doesn't make him the best fighter of all time. Tyson had no heart, and still has no heart. Once you cracked him a few times he would mentally fold. If the name of this thread was "The hardest puncher of all time" then you could make an argument for Tyson. The best fighter of all time, (in this case boxer) would not only need punching power, but boxing ability, stamina, a chin/heart and solid wins against top primed fighters, Tyson has almost none of those. Make this argument on any boxing forum and you will be ridiculed. Anyone who is more than a casual boxing fan would agree Tyson is not the best fighter of all time.
Tyson had more then Hard hits, look at the man duck and weave, watch his foot movement, PLUS THE MAN WAZS QUICK AS HELL.... shit on top of being fast he threw hard... but enough about tyson's power since thats all you thought he had... Heart tyson had heart when gus was still with him... gus was Tyson's heart and when he died so did tysons heart... I watched tyson at the alladin in the past couple weeks and the man is still quick as hell...And name ten fighters that cracked tyson a couple of times and made him fold.. with all the medication they've put tyson on its f*cked with the mans head.... let him off his meds. and tyson becomes crazy tyson again today he would walk in and become heavyweight champ again with ease... these days are weak so not much of an accomplishment.. AND PAL TYSON HAD SPEED.....POWER.......ST AMINA.....
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You guys know anythng about Mike. He grew up beating up people and getting in fights everyday on the streets till Gus took him in. He is a "true" streetfighter. Now saying that, I don't think he would beat some guys in the Octagon but he does have street savvy. And to tell you the truth he is a scapper and getting him on the ground could be harder than you think, but once he is there he would be done.
He better work with a greco coach to teach him underhooks, neck snap downs, two on ones and arm drags. Plus, he better get a bjj coach. I don't think he will fight MMA. He would get mauled. Under boxing rules, he would destroy most MMA fighters.
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...And name ten fighters that cracked tyson a couple of times and made him fold.. with all the medication they've put tyson on its f*cked with the mans head.... let him off his meds. and tyson becomes crazy tyson again today he would walk in and become heavyweight champ again with ease... these days are weak so not much of an accomplishment.. AND PAL TYSON HAD SPEED.....POWER.......ST AMINA.....
What's with you and the number ten? Tyson hasn't even fought ten good fighters in his life. Name ten, primed top ten Heavyweights that tyson has beaten. An already ageing Holyfield Tko'd him once,and was clearly beating Tyson until he mentally folded and bit Holy's ear. Buster Douglas- Mike took him lightly, right? The best fighter of all time wouldn't take anyone lightly. Lennox destroyed Mike, Mike couldn't even land one hard punch, much less ten. Danny Williams, no explanation needed, Kevin Mcbride, Ditto on the explanation. His only wins when he was in his so called "prime", that were of any significance were against ,Michael Spinks who was a blown up light heavyweight who also reeped the benefits of a weak division, Larry holmes was past his prime and pushing 40 yrs old. I actually took you seriously until you said "Mike off his meds would become champ with ease", sadly even then he wouldn't be champ.
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What's with you and the number ten? Tyson hasn't even fought ten good fighters in his life. Name ten, primed top ten Heavyweights that tyson has beaten. An already ageing Holyfield Tko'd him once,and was clearly beating Tyson until he mentally folded and bit Holy's ear. Buster Douglas- Mike took him lightly, right? The best fighter of all time wouldn't take anyone lightly. Lennox destroyed Mike, Mike couldn't even land one hard punch, much less ten. Danny Williams, no explanation needed, Kevin Mcbride, Ditto on the explanation. His only wins when he was in his so called "prime", that were of any significance were against ,Michael Spinks who was a blown up light heavyweight who also reeped the benefits of a weak division, Larry holmes was past his prime and pushing 40 yrs old. I actually took you seriously until you said "Mike off his meds would become champ with ease", sadly even then he wouldn't be champ.
The number ten was just used for the reason of everything in my book has a top ten..... Wether you believe tyson would become champ off the meds or not.... Do you believe that tyson has been a differant fighter since he was put on meds... the man is a f*cking crazy ass freak...after seeing tyson at the alladin training i think he could come back right now and be a force.. These days boxing is a joke in the heavyweight division... not saying im a bad ass, so no one say go fight then..... im just saying the caliper of fighters in this day and age suck in the heavies of boxing.... Spinks was a blown up heavyweight but name a time when the profesional ranks were full of dominant and excellent fighters and if you say ali, frazier, foreman.....sure it was a great time in boxing but tyson could've hung with any of them.... wether you like tyson or not my bottom line is the man was a freak of nature in the ring and out of control outside of them....Chutebox you bring up good points i will give you that my friend......
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top 12? hahahaha, this retard gets funnier by the day.
haha simple response from a simple mind 8)
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one more remark like that and youre banned from here! ::)
does the truth hurt? tyson is overrated you've said nothing to make me think otherwise and any guy that gets paid to know boxing or any boxing historian would agree with me
knocking out cans doesn't amke you great ::)\
I think it's funny how a guy like you who had no clue who the Nogueira brothers were can actually ban me from an mma board
go watch your TUF season 1 dvd noob :P
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Watch out Scrimowser, Earl is going to attack you for knowing more about MMA than him. ::)
yeah a guy who had no clue who nog was lol
is dj scribble responding to your text messages?
i hope you enjoy the ppv on sunday, your first pride event aside from what is shown on fsn ;D
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Just because he hits hard doesn't make him the best fighter of all time. Tyson had no heart, and still has no heart. Once you cracked him a few times he would mentally fold. If the name of this thread was "The hardest puncher of all time" then you could make an argument for Tyson. The best fighter of all time, (in this case boxer) would not only need punching power, but boxing ability, stamina, a chin/heart and solid wins against top primed fighters, Tyson has almost none of those. Make this argument on any boxing forum and you will be ridiculed. Anyone who is more than a casual boxing fan would agree Tyson is not the best fighter of all time.
it's a relief to see that somebody else knows what they are talking about :)
buster douglas was the only b list fighter that had the balls to go toe to toe with him
and tyson got knocked the fuck out 8)
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Sugar Ray Robinson period 125wins before first lost! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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yo retard, fair enough i didnt know who they were because i had no interest in pride what so ever. In the last 6 months i have come right up to speed with Pride so its fair to say i know excatly who they are now. TUF dvd newb? Is that the best you have? Fuck me, youre so slow mentally you have to pick that up from 50 other people who use it on the Boards. Ive been an MMA fan since UFC 1, have studied martial arts since for 20 years so i know exactly what im talking about in regards to these subjects. You on the otherhand get offended by anyone that challenges the God complex you put on yourself.
And just so you know, the post about being banned was made in humour you twat. Its a shame your dad didnt wipe the toilet seat after he had a wank cos if your mum didnt need to piss away all the alcohol shes driven to drink you wouldnt be here.
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yo retard, fair enough i didnt know who they were because i had no interest in pride what so ever. In the last 6 months i have come right up to speed with Pride so its fair to say i know excatly who they are now. TUF dvd newb? Is that the best you have? f**k me, youre so slow mentally you have to pick that up from 50 other people who use it on the Boards. Ive been an MMA fan since UFC 1, have studied martial arts since for 20 years so i know exactly what im talking about in regards to these subjects. You on the otherhand get offended by anyone that challenges the God complex you put on yourself.
And just so you know, the post about being banned was made in humour you twat. Its a shame your dad didnt wipe the toilet seat after he had a wank cos if your mum didnt need to piss away all the alcohol shes driven to drink you wouldnt be here.
meltdown ;D
if you are going to claim to know anything about mma YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHO THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT AND LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT FIGHTERS ARE IN THE WORLD ::)
I don't think that's asking for much :)
as for the banning comment I knew it was a joke I was just pointing out the hilarity in the fact that you can ban me from here when you have no clue about "who is who" in the world of mma
that would be like somebody banning me from the main board here when they have no clue who Flex Wheeler is
don't you see how ridiculous that is?
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and if you had taken any note of what i said, i have since brushed up on Pride fighting and am up to scratch on exactly who is who. Ive watched dozens of compilations of fights for the main HW and LHW fighters so i can evaluate them individually, and it has made me a believer in Pride. There are maybe 4-5 UFC fighters that would put up a decent showing there, everyone else would get mauled
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Ive been an MMA fan since UFC 1
I find that really hard to believe.
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why? If im honest, ive been a fan of "MMA" since i watched Bloodsport lol
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why? If im honest, ive been a fan of "MMA" since i watched Bloodsport lol
Nothing personal, but I've noticed most people have trouble admitting when they really started watching or following MMA and they mask the truth by claiming to be "an MMA fan since UFC 1" and that little phrase always happens to appear when there is no better rebuttal in an MMA related argument. Once again, nothing personal, It's just a trend I have picked up on in my years of frequenting various MMA forums and it's at an all time high in the last year or so.
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its OK mate, i remember when i was at school one of my mates who i studied Ju-Jitsu with told me about a guy called Royce Gracie who won a competition against guys who fought in karate etc. Now me being me, i figured this was the real Kumite from Bloodsport ha ha Ever since then ive been hooked.
My dad has studied martial arts for 35 years and has black belts coming out of his ears, and ive been studying since i was 5. We always used to try and combine the different styles to see how effective we could be in a real fight. So you can take it to the bank, ive been a fan since the very first UFC.
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its OK mate, i remember when i was at school one of my mates who i studied Ju-Jitsu with told me about a guy called Royce Gracie who won a competition against guys who fought in karate etc. Now me being me, i figured this was the real Kumite from Bloodsport ha ha Ever since then ive been hooked.
My dad has studied martial arts for 35 years and has black belts coming out of his ears, and ive been studying since i was 5. We always used to try and combine the different styles to see how effective we could be in a real fight. So you can take it to the bank, ive been a fan since the very first UFC.
So you didn't actually watch the first live UFC ppv, you heard about it through a friend and the concept of the UFC made you a fan?
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hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser. This would be pretty funny if Earl hadn't been watching UFC for less than 3 months.
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hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser.
How dare you take my name in vein. You would think you've been ass jockeying here long enough to spell your own boyfriends name right (Scimowser). Why don't you check your tone douche nozzle, before I verbally thrash you.
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How dare you take my name in vein. You would think you've been ass jockeying here long enough to spell your own boyfriends name right (Scimowser). Why don't you check your tone douche nozzle, before I verbally thrash you.
If you would pull your mouth from Wanderlei's dick long enough to type out a decent response, you might actually insult me.
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If you would pull your mouth from Wanderlei's dick long enough to type out a decent response, you might actually insult me.
It's more like your intelligence level is so low you cannot be insulted, due to the fact that your too dumb to recognize one. Maybe if you can pry your face out of Scimowser's crotch long enough you might learn something kid.
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It's more like your intelligence level is so low you cannot be insulted, due to the fact that your too dumb to recognize one. Maybe if you can pry your face out of Scimowser's crotch long enough you might learn something kid.
hahahah, monster irony. What a fucking tool.
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hahahah, monster irony. What a fucking tool.
You should be thankful for every breath you take, if it weren't for me shooting one off in your mom you wouldn't exist. I could have been a jerk and pulled out and shot you all over your mom's shit covered mattress.
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ok.
the subject, tyson, continues to garner heated debate from both sides of the fence.
whatever opinion of tyson's character, he was without doubt an amazing fighter.
to compare the striking ability of any fighter in the various mma camps against a prime tyson is beyond ludicrous.
prime tyson earns his reputation as one of the greatest ever (opinions held, btw, by some of the greatest boxing experts ever including cus d'amato who was probably a more qualified judge than anyone).
he disposed of mediocre fighters brutally and also dominated some very good fighters along the way eg. berbick, tucker, smith, tubbs, holmes, spinks, thomas, etc.
it's very easy to say these fighters weren't great when you look at what tyson did to them (fighters are often judged by their worst performance, particularly if it happened to suck), but educate yourself on what these fighters had done prior/after (hint: they were all title holders).
so how would tyson go in the current mma?
he would get owned in an ugly way by any top flight hw. he has not got enough movement or power to keep them off him and he hasn't got the youth or motivation to get it back.
once they tie him up...he's dead.
look at don frye arm punching himself out (almost) on that jap.
zero technique, head movement, accuracy, nothing! he had a fucking sack of meat in front of him for christ's sake! what would PRIME tyson do in that situation??? :o hmmmmm.
anyone see prime tyson being tied up by some slow as molasses ufc hw? tyson wouldn't simply move laterally and explode a left hook on that ass???
KABOOM! out, nuff said...
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at the time i followed different martial arts in regards to their relevant competitions, mainly Ju-Jitsu, Shotokan and Muay Thai. A few days after UFC1 my mate told me about it and that was it for me, it was something i never thought i would see happen.
As i said, to me it was like the Kumite tournament you see in Bloodsport, and i got just about every UFC after that one. Now being "loyal" to UFC i thought it was the b all and end all of MMA. I never bothered looking at Pride because i dismissed it as a cheap japanese rip offwithout giving it a chance. It wasnt until guys like Igor, Coleman and Kerr fought there that i took a little interest.
In reflection it was very naive to dismiss it, as it is clear that Pride has more money, better fighters and the best rules for MMA fighting. Putting the current crop of UFC guys against Prides stars would be like asking your 12 year old kid to fighta full grown man
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hahahaha, this thread is hilarious. Earl and Chuteboxe, two of the biggest twunts on this board, are trying to attack Scrimowser. This would be pretty funny if Earl hadn't been watching UFC for less than 3 months.
I didn't know being knowledgeable made you a "twunt" ???
how much does DJ Scribble charge you?
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It's about the best fighter, and that means you need more than boxing skills alone. I agree, Tyson was a beast in his prime, and not easy to beat in a street fight. But, a skilled fighter, trained in (Brazilian) Jiu Jitsu, or Krav Maga etcetera, must be able to beat him.
I bet the absolute best fighter at this very moment is somebody, unknown to the crowd, no.
Fedor eats brazilian jiu jitsu for breakfast!
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daammnnnnn this fool is a savage. hes like a fuckin mad bull and shit.
Tyson was a tremendous boxer! However Fedor is a complete figther. Some people here are talking about street figthing, well my opinion is that ferdor on the the street is unbeatable, the guy is pure controled rage, intelligent and super fit, Tysos however could never control himself, I bet that Tyson wouldn't have the time to throw a punch agains Fedor in a streetfight! MMA is the most complete fighting sport, how many boxers did well in MMA competitions?
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Ive said this a few times before, in terms of potential, you dont have to look further than Mark Kerr. As close to perfection as any fighter can be, had he stayed clean and trained with 100% focus even Fedor wouldnt have beaten him. Before the rules were changed to ban knees, elbows etc he was untouchable. He had the perfect blend of wrestling, striking, size, strength and desire and it made him the best in the world, in many ways he IS the Mike Tyson of MMA. His early fights prove it, look how he man handled the Polar Bear Paul Varleans in his debut. The guy was 300-400lbs and mark literally picks him up and runs him across the ring with ease!
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i can't think of a single boxer of the calibre of a PRIME tyson that has competed in mma events.
quite simply, the money doesn't even compare with potential boxing earnings for such talent.
has-beens and never weres go to the mma.
no fighter ever competes on the professional stage for LESS money. anyone that has fought professionally or even been involved in the industry understands this.
having said that, fedor is definitely a more complete fighter than prime tyson, but does he get a hold of tyson before a PRIME tyson detonates some of the quickest, most devastatingly accurate bombs you've ever seen in ANY mma contest!
think about how many mma hw contests have ended with strikes by fighters NO WHERE NEAR the calibre of prime tyson.
i can definitely see it ending quickly for tyson if fedor gets in on him, but i can also see fedor getting caught on the way in.
please understand, i am not talking about a post 80's tyson that just walks in and bombs, i'm talking about a relentless machine with tremendous lateral movement, speed of foot and hand and accuracy absolutely NEVER seen on an mma stage. not even close!
add those 6oz gloves! sheeet
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the only guy with comparable striking was prime Vitor Belfort and even he fell short of Tyson in regards to skill, power and accuracy. Although Vitor had the skills to fight from his back or in a clinch as back up. But i agree completely what you say about someone being able to get hold of Tyson to get him on the ground.
The best counter to a shoot i have ever seen was when Igor knocked Nick Nutter out cold within seconds in the final of the World Vale Tudo Championship. He had fought to a controversial win in their first match which Nutter should have won but the ref made them stand when he was dominating Igor on the ground. He waited for the shoot and kneed him right on the button and that was it, game over! I dont think Nutter fought again after that fight, which is a shame because i was a big fan of his. He was amongst the first of the big wrestlers to come in and start dominating people
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yes, vitor quick, very good technique (hands) but, as you say, fell short - i would add 'wayyyyyyyyyyyy' before the 'short'.
if vitor had one tenth of the potential of tyson i can guarantee you he wouldn't have been competing in the ufc.
professional fighters with real talent compete in boxing, it's that simple. it's ALL about the money. any pro fighter not talking straight from their rectum will tell you the same.
has-been boxers competing in mma are purely after a few extra bucks for crack because they're shot and can't command decent pay days in boxing. they aren't even motivated enough to add new skills (grapple, sprawl, etc) or even turn up in shape.
i agree with you though, anyone that competes in today's mma without grappling skills is asking for punishment.
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look back at the first few UFC PPV's. There was very little mixed martial arts, it was basically Karate Vs Judo, Thai Boxing Vs Ninjitsu etc. One dimensional fighting which is heavily outdated. Without the Gracies there would be no UFC, no Pride, no IFL or any other form of true MMA. They combined their own style of Ju-Jitsu and incorporated striking where necessary. Every punch and kick serves a purpose. However as the times have evolved so have the required skills to succeed. I cant think of many fighters who have succeeded in the last 5-6 years that dont combine striking with grappling, if someone was naive enough to think they could go in and win because they can punch or throw they would be seriously hurt.
Mighty Mo is a great example. He can punch harder than just about anyone ive seen in MMA but if he stepped out of K-1 he would get smashed to bits. His pro boxing career didnt exactly go to plan did it! ha ha
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agreed, but especially in the first few ufc ppvs there was very little money for the fighter compared to boxing. even todays pride, ufc, etc pale by comparison.
considering that there was not one single boxer of prime/decent ability i am not surprised at the failure rate.
IF the gracies could have somehow used their abilities to succeed to a world title in boxing, believe me, they would have. they were always in it for the money and still are, just like any other pro fighter. if it was all about the 'art' they would have stayed in brazil.
you won't get any debate whatsoever from me on the need for multiple dimensions in todays mma.
mighty mo. yes, case in point, just look at his pro boxing career.
if the mma events ever exceed the potential earnings of boxing, look out, you will have the most dominant fighters genetically and skillfully ever! no question.
i doubt it though.
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I dont think MMA will ever get to the stage where the best fighters are making 10million a fight, i doubt we will get to the stage where they are getting 2 million. The only way that will happen is if Pride expands outside of Japan and makes even more cash from the masses. They have the best paid fighters for a reason, and with the current state of boxing you couldnt ask for a better time to get new fans interested.
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With the current PPV buys, MMA fighters could be making just as much if not more than their boxing counterparts. The best type of fighter, if you could build one, is to be a master in a particular range, and good at everything else. Fighters like BJ Penn (ground), decent hands, exceptional balance, good takedown defense, good chin come to mind. Frank Shamrock pioneered cross training, was great at subs, and added in the half guard revolution he learned from TK, and the kickboxing from Maurice Smith. Not to mention the athletic training that made him a stud. (Tito learned from this after his first match) Kerr was filling the holes in his game, but had not progressed. He became conplacent, and didn't put together good camps (which is all the rage).
We will see better athletes getting involved, and this will lead to the next generation of fighters. Raw ability or skill doesn't necesarilly equate to victory. But irregardless, you better have a decent ground game, be able to fend off the takedown from the clinch, and be able to cover.
Tyson in his prime would have been meat for the best MMA fighters. Anyone fool enough to stay at range with a young, primal, and angry Tyson would get broken ribs, then when their hands came down, they would eat an overhand, or a hook. Tyson would have been easily taken down, mounted, and pummeled until he gave up his back or got armbarred.
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I think Tyson would have dominated in the early days of UFC... before the cross trained fighters started taking over, those first few years (the early 90's) was mostly specialists (kararte, judo, jiu jitsu, muay thai, etc.) I think Tyson would have killed them all, even guys like Gracie... one shot to the head, with Tyson's power would have put Gracie in the hospital. Aside from that, Tyson was explosive... he was like a fucking stick of dynamite, so even if he was taken down and mounted, how long would he be in that position?.. :)
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getting in on prime tyson would have been very difficult and dangerous.
don't forget his lateral movement and left hooks, and of course the precise barrage that comes after it. most mma hws wouldn't even know where he was before they'd been chin checked 6 times.
middle distance was what suited tyson best and he would create this distance with very quick lateral movement.
you are going to have huge problems shooting in on prime tyson because he's not going to be dead meat standing in front of you.
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i base it on the reasons i previously said. There isnt a HW in history that would beat him in his prime
Buster Douglas did. Tyson was only 23 at the time. Kevin Rooney wasn't in his corner for this fight. Tyson's yes men buddies were.
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rocky marciano
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Tyson fought Tua?
I wish, that would have been "Gatti vs Ward" of the heavyweight division, except it would have ended in like 2 rounds.
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rocky marciano
Give me a fucking break, fighters back then were fighting sailors and box car boys and bar drunks for christ sakes those days were just knuckle fights for christ sakes the reason rocky was so great is because he actually trained... i believe this is one of boxing's worst era's great punching drunk out brawl between men, but not alot of talent.... but i give more credit to rocky then i do that f*cking brit Lennox Lewis.. what a piece of shit that guy was
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Give me a fucking break, fighters back then were fighting sailors and box car boys and bar drunks for christ sakes those days were just knuckle fights for christ sakes the reason rocky was so great is because he actually trained... i believe this is one of boxing's worst era's great punching drunk out brawl between men, but not alot of talent.... but i give more credit to rocky then i do that f*cking brit Lennox Lewis.. what a piece of shit that guy was
While I agree, Rocky Marciano was definetely one of the best boxers we've ever seen.
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While I agree, Rocky Marciano was definetely one of the best boxers we've ever seen.
No way pal, i agree with you on some stuff but not this one.... rocky was a smaller guy as where most men back then... but rocky couldnt hang with the big boys... he fought guys who just fought they didnt really train. How good was the competition compared to today's i dont see much of a differance other then guys nowadays train. and thats not saying much... the guys rocky fought were almost all soup cans. make them fight nowadays and they would be destroyed. no way was he one of the best when it all comes down to it....
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rocky marciano
no way most of the guys he beat were past their prime period!
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i would say kevin randleman...when kevin is on he is unbeatble..he is like the mike tyson of mma..if you want to see raw power kevin randleman is your man..pure raw explosive strength
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errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. .................... not a fucking chance. He dosnt even make a top 10 list
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errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..................... not a fucking chance. He dosnt even make a top 10 list
come on man.kevin is a fuckin beast..considering pure raw power kevin is up there
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for power hes there with the likes of Coleman and Kerr but he couldnt live up to the promise he had shown early in his career. Whenever he has stepped up to get to the next level he has been knocked back down again - the 1 exception was the Mirko KO. Liddell, Couture, Fedor, Sak - these guys are all top level fighters but he couldnt force himself there to stay.
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i would say kevin randleman...when kevin is on he is unbeatble..he is like the mike tyson of mma..if you want to see raw power kevin randleman is your man..pure raw explosive strength
hahahaha ;D
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Fedor Emelianenko.
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fedor or kerr
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fedor or kerr
i'd be heading along the lines of kerr whilst he was fighting with head butts, eye gouge, dirty as hell.
the only way you are going to find the best 'fighter' per say is to relax the rules as much as possible. then you will have your man.
they simply don't allow the things they used to and that's a shame because it defeats the supposed purpose of unlimited fighting.
mind you, kerr was taking alot of morphine, etc before every fight back then so he could just disregard every strike and shoot in. he was a beast with that shit, crap without it.
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agreed
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what fighters have kerr won against? bet few good fighters but dont know any big names, fedor has defended the belt against the best.
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Kerrs prime was when Fedor was just starting out. Kerr smashed people to pieces when he was at his best, he was the complete fighter
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Kerrs prime was when Fedor was just starting out. Kerr smashed people to pieces when he was at his best, he was the complete fighter
Kerr was great at snoozing out a lay'n'pray decision. He never was, or will be, on Fedor's level.
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Kerr was great at snoozing out a lay'n'pray decision. He never was, or will be, on Fedor's level.
You would have thought he could have passed guard, particularly training at BHJJC. He was a could have been...... Fedor is the best, by far.
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true, but he had no problem passing the guard when he was headbutting and coming in on smack.
give fedor the same rules (or lack of) and he might have been just as good/better, but who knows?
you get as good as what the rules will allow and you bend those rules as much as you can get away with, which is what we do now.
let me just say that i think rules are great. fighters last longer (less weapons = less damage) and i think taking a shit load of smack just to fight is nuts.
this thread, however, is about the ultimate fighter so we have to look at who (we have viewed) has demonstrated the most whilst using the most weapons at their disposal.
of course, the best fighter is the guy who goes the whole hog and just chews the opponents cartoid out whilst ripping his nut sack off, but somehow i don't think those kind of fights will be available for public viewing.