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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on August 28, 2006, 09:07:01 PM
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Don't move this Zack. ::)
I remember this show as a kid. There's some very good social commentary in here - it's pretty funny. There are also some inaccuracies like the suggestion that going off steroids would result in a roid hangover lol.
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I know what you're craving, Matt...
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
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You've never had a 'roidover'? Or you've never used roids? (first guy)
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i used to always get roid hangovers when i would train with the East Germans...We would use mestalone intranasally, and drop like 10 Halo's before the events.Not to mention we would use turnabol like it was candy....Cheque drop also gave me wicked hangovers the next day.. :o ;D :D ;) :)
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Never used but they don't cause withdrawal symptoms, at least not ones which manifest physically.
well if youve never used...how do you know?
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Never used but they don't cause withdrawal symptoms, at least not ones which manifest physically.
They don't cause withdrawal symptoms.However, they do cause some dependance...Not to the extent the opiate based pain killers Daneilson takes.However, who here isn't tempted to shot some test after a cycle...You know that shot wull make you feel much mo better...
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Is this a serious question? For the same reason I know 1+1=2.
In other words you have no idea
dude you've never used, you dont know...point finale'
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They don't cause withdrawal symptoms.However, they do cause some dependance...Not to the extent the opiate based pain killers Daneilson takes.However, who here isn't tempted to shot some test after a cycle...You know that shot wull make you feel much mo better...
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You can't report your own post to the moderator, that doesn't make sense!
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Steroids don't cause physical withdrawal symptoms. It would be scientifically and literally impossible to experience them. What part don't you understand?
those studies wheren't conducted on Mass monsters using grams of test..But on men who probally use 125 mg cypoinate every three weeks...MAtt no offense, you don't know shit about steriods...Until you actually grow the balls to complete a cycle..
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Steroids don't cause physical withdrawal symptoms. It would be scientifically and literally impossible to experience them. What part don't you understand?
Hmmmmn says the man thats never used....would you say the same about heroin or coke? Maybe ciggarettes, alcohol...Ive used all of these things and am not addicted, however science would lead us to believe that they are 'addictive'. So spin that around, your science that says steroids arnt...can that not also be flawed?
Thats the difference between logic and ignorance
write that down
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let me offer you some advice when arguing about something you have no idea what your discussing, especially with someone like Bigger Business
keep youre answers short, dont swear, offer objective arguments yet keep them witty. Cutting and pasting, links etc. people dont care about...they want to be entertained and thats what I do
Thats why I always win ;)
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"Strawman argument". I would advice you to look up that definition in an article on fallacies. Almost anything can have an addictive potential but not all have a route which manifests physically. Steroids are most definitely the type of drug which have a very weak physiologically dependence, if any at all. Steroid users do not call up their dealer at 3AM to get their fix. There may be some degree of mental addiction to steroids depending on the user, but just about anything can be addictive in that manner, even getbig.com.
Not to be condescending but you leave me little choice - perhaps you don't understand what science is. Science does not refer to media conjecture and tired fallacious rhetoric. Science is the system of gaining information using empiricism, through direct experimentation and systematic and falsifiable methodology. I would go on but I'm not even sure if you know what the scientific method is.
By saying so and ignoring my points? That only shows your ineptitude.
ho hum
now ya just making yaself look like a silly and uneducated
you sure you want to go on with this?
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I will say one thing-
Matt may not have experience with gear, but he is a very analytical guy. I would recommend you all have a point by point debate on this - despite how most people are, from my experience I can say that Matt is open to change his mindset when he does see new information.
Plus it'd be a great topic to read, for the rest of us.
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Good assessment Rob. Yes, I am open to changing my mind. I even see some people who seem to need pot daily. However, there is a distinction between a physiological and mental addiction, although sometimes the two go hand in hand.
I hear ya. i have a brother that needs to toke daily. I don't get it.
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I will say one thing-
Matt may not have experience with gear, but he is a very analytical guy. I would recommend you all have a point by point debate on this - despite how most people are, from my experience I can say that Matt is open to change his mindset when he does see new information.
Plus it'd be a great topic to read, for the rest of us.
dear 240
I have no idea about the 240 vs chick debates but maybe this guy will listen to you. He leaves himself open to some pretty obvious ownings, in fact double posting the 240 chick thing is just another meltdown example.
My argument with him is done...im right, he can analyze that as much as he likes...you of all people no how I roll
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You haven't even made an attempt to debate the issue.
there is no debate...thats the point
you say you cant become addicted to roids, then you say you can get addicted to getbig and weed??
so you kinda shot yaself in the foot...thats why its over, i dont have to debate, just push the right buttons
look, you seem like a nice kid, what i know cant be learnt in books, in time though you may scratch the surface.
This has been my good deed of the day :D
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there is no debate...thats the point
you say you cant become addicted to roids, then you say you can get addicted to getbig and weed??
so you kinda shot yaself in the foot...thats why its over, i dont have to debate, just push the right buttons
look, you seem like a nice kid, what i know cant be learnt in books, in time though you may scratch the surface.
This has been my good deed of the day :D
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
Never used but they [steroids] don't cause withdrawal symptoms, at least not ones which manifest physically.
Steroids don't cause physical withdrawal symptoms.
There may be some degree of mental addiction to steroids depending on the user, but just about anything can be addictive in that manner, even getbig.com.
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However, there is a distinction between a physiological and mental addiction,
A lot of times the distinction is very hard to make. If you feel bad and depressed after a cycle because your neurotransmittors are out of whack isn't that a physical problem? Neurotransmittors and neurochemicals are part of the physical IMO.
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See, this can be opened for discussion. Yes I agree that the line is sometimes difficult to draw from a medical perspective. In general, we might say that some drugs have more of an addictive potential than others. For example, there would be not much of a comparison between steroids and crystal meth or heroin for example, in terms of physical addiction.
I agree.
It's kind of like the debate on whether or not weed causes physical addiction. Most stoners will say no even though some have trouble sleeping when they stop smoking. That's evidence for physical dependence IMO.
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Testosterone influences dopamine levels in the brain. People with low test levels such as people coming off a cycle feel unmotivated, amongst the many other physical and mental effects due to low testosterone.
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hmm this is a tricky one...i suppose steroids will cause some kind of physical symptoms when coming off due to the lower test levels resulting in not feeling so good and the testes not working in the same way(which is a physical symptom) but i think it is mainly a mental thing.with heroin and other opiate based painkillers your body gets used to having these levels of opiates in the body so when these opiates arent coming in anymore it causes horrible physical symptoms as the body tries to adjust to not having the opiates in your body(vomiting,constipation followed by diarrhea,shivers and shakes caused by blood flow not pumping as quick which makes you feel cold,stomach cramps,sweating etc etc..)these are real symptoms which cause serious pain and distress not to mention the mental dependance and the depression people feel after the physical withdrawal is over
so if your comparing it to that then no way is there physical symptoms worth noting but i suppose there are small physical symptoms, i would say it is more of a mental addiction which causes you to feel like your getting physical symptoms...but that is just my oppinion
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Matt C has no clue what he is talking about ::)
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Matt C has no clue what he is talking about ::)
do you?
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hmm this is a tricky one...i suppose steroids will cause some kind of physical symptoms when coming off due to the lower test levels resulting in not feeling so good
I've heard of people killing themselves over this. That's not good.
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Simply saying that doesn't further this debate. Do you care to actually counter any of my points? Bigger Business seems to be confused with the distinction between physical withdrawal symptoms and mental addiction. I am supremely confident that I would win this debate if there was one but as of yet there is no debate to speak of.
i dont think a lot of people realise exactly how bad physical withdrawal symptoms are so they might think the miniscule things that happen when people come off juice are actual physical symptoms.actual physical symptoms are like the ones i posted above or the symptoms when people are dependent on benzodiazapine drugs which can actually kill you in extreme circumstances if someone just stops them without medical help.mental symptoms and physical symptoms are very different things.some people say cocaine is physically addictive which it isnt its just mental you can just stop taking it if you have the willpower and you wont get any symptoms whatsoever.that doesnt mean its easy though but it doesnt make it physical.
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Exactly!! I think that explains the confusion in this thread quite well. Certain drugs will result in things like seizures in regards to physical withdrawal. Steroids are simply unlike that, and while cocaine can be quite an addictive drug, the general debate seems to suggest that it is only addictive mentally. A person who is strong willed enough will be able to discontinue its use with no physical symptoms. Further, a person who is strong willed enough will not need it in their life to begin with.
yes people take drugs to fulfil something missing in there life,to give them something they dont already have.a lot of people take a drug like coke for the boost in confidence it gives them and thats where the addiction comes in (if your going to get addicted) because they feel they need it for any social situation they find themselves in,thats why they find it hard to come off.that is just one example but most addictions are because of someone using to fill a gap and yes if someone is strong willed enough they probably wont become dependant
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Simply saying that doesn't further this debate. Do you care to actually counter any of my points? Bigger Business seems to be confused with the distinction between physical withdrawal symptoms and mental addiction. I am supremely confident that I would win this debate if there was one but as of yet there is no debate to speak of.
First off are you natural? If yes did we have nothing to discuss. Move along
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do you?
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First off are you natural? If yes did we have nothing to discuss. Move along
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