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King Ron can be beat in everyones eyes except the current judges in the ifbb....Just take a look at 2001...Nuffsaid... :o
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that was Cutlers best chance
he tries to play Ronnie at his own game now
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Jay's left quad is way better than his right
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Both of Jay's quads are stunning compared to the 2001 Ronnie's
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2001 was undoubtedly the best Cutler's looked before or since.
But what I see in that pic is Cutler looking like an amateur standing next to Coleman. Even in 2001 Jay was simply way outclassed. And from the back the difference was even more obvious.
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2001 was undoubtedly the best Cutler's looked before or since.
But what I see in that pic is Cutler looking like an amateur standing next to Coleman. Even in 2001 Jay was simply way outclassed. And from the back the difference was even more obvious.
"Outclassed"....Oh come on I am not trying to tear Big Ron down here but damn....He almost looked like he was just guest posing at the olympia that year...He was so full of water and his conditioning was way off...I am sorry, Big Ron is the best in the world, but on that day he was beaten...
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Outclassed huh??? ::)
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Ronnie has the whole package that has proven to be unbeatable.
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Outclassed huh??? ::)
nothing new. the day a Mr Olympia is defeated would be the day everything changes
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nothing new. the day a Mr Olympia is defeated would be the day everything changes
It would be a history making event...Going down in bodybuilding forever...Better yet if it were a nobody that came up in perfect conditioning to defeat a defending My.Olympia....
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Ronnie lost on that day. Just accept it jock riders. Ronnie was off and was beaten by an all time best Cutler. It does not make jay better. Ronnie is obv a freak and untouchable when 100 percent. But on that day he lost.
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Jay failed the diuretic test in 2001 and from the back he was nowhere near King Ronnie.
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you present a very strong and clearly well thought out argument by posting a picture where Ronnie isn't flexing.
fucking sods
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way to show a picture where Ronnie isn't flexing. fucking sods
OH OK ::) Jay looks better in this shot and his arms are at his side. If he had the same position in the arms as Ronnie has his taper would be more accentuated and he would be spanking him even harder than he already is.
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watch the video - JAy is dwarfed so bad its amusing to listen to his nut-huggers claim he should have won
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Not as severe in the video. I still think cutler won. I dont even like bodybuilding why would I lie ;D ;)
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Not as severe in the video. I still think cutler won. I dont even like bodybuilding why would I lie ;D ;)
it explains why you're wrong 8)
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i think so coleman was just too big that day and and cutler was no way near ronnie..dude in the video coleman dwarfs cutler as if cutler was an npc competitor..i think so coleman had the size to beat cutler that day and apart from colemans legs in that show jay was no way near coleman..i think coleman just looked sick big and cutler looked like nothing next to ronnie..mr olympia will and always be the bigger guys sport and ronnie fits in the title well..
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Hey guys, first post.
Another observation: Cutler lacks a "fifth gear". By that I mean when he flexes, nothing really pops out. There are no surprises.
Don't get me wrong, he looks great, but when Coleman flexes, not only is he freaknormously huge, but muscles just pop out from nowhere and in all different directions.
Cutler simply can't hang with the devastating explosion of mass that Ronnie unleashes, IMHO.
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If Ronnie is same as last year, can be beat.
But, I dont think he will present same or worse.
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i'm a huge Cutler fan but Ronnie destroyed Jay in that clip.
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i'm a huge Cutler fan but Ronnie destroyed Jay in that clip.
I agree
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you present a very strong and clearly well thought out argument by posting a picture where Ronnie isn't flexing.
fucking sods
EXACTLY
watch the video - JAy is dwarfed so bad its amusing to listen to his nut-huggers claim he should have won
I love how even when a VIDEO is posted, people will still come up with bullshit arguments..
'well ronnie is.. from texas and.. texas starts with a T which means 'time to give it to jay'! HAHA!! I win!!! yes im righ! fuk everyone else, my opinion is all that matters! hahaheheh!11!1!'
WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO
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nothing new. the day a Mr Olympia is defeated would be the day everything changes
Isn't that what Gunter did !?????...
Just added fuel to the flame ,under King Coleman's ass...Following year.....HE DESTROYED ALL!!!!!
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i'm a huge Cutler fan but Ronnie destroyed Jay in that clip.
First smart thing you ever said.
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Ronnie did get beat by Gunter in that one show.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp64.jpg)
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Pics can be very misleading-in the first pic there's a little detail, like the fact Jay's tensing his abs and Coleman's not.. ::)
Coleman will always have a big edge in structure, tapers, aesthetics, size and volume. Those fundamentals are hard to overcome without a bigger disparity in conditioning than has been the case so far.
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how quickly people forget Ronnie's superiority
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp64.jpg)
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Wow! Ronnie do looks bad here :o
Very diferent from now!
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watch the video - JAy is dwarfed so bad its amusing to listen to his nut-huggers claim he should have won
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO...
Without question all of the Cutler NUTHUGGERS will be silenced ...and if they are not... then there is something far more sinister at work within them.
RONNIE IS THE FUCKING MAN....cutler...the 2nd place pipsqueek....
cutlers third place crown is being prepared for the 2006 olympia.....THIRD PLACE?? YES THIRD PLACE.
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Jay had him on quads and bis on that day and was in better shape...and that's it.
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THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS VIDEO...
Without question all of the Cutler NUTHUGGERS will be silenced ...and if they are not... then there is something far more sinister at work within them.
RONNIE IS THE FUCKING MAN....cutler...the 2nd place pipsqueek....
cutlers third place crown is being prepared for the 2006 olympia.....THIRD PLACE?? YES THIRD PLACE.
I like Cutler but I have to agree, I see him 3rd or lower.
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I like Cutler but I have to agree, I see him 3rd or lower.
2005 was Cutler's peak - he's on his way to being the next Nasser
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88571.0;attach=95531;image)
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2001 was undoubtedly the best Cutler's looked before or since.
But what I see in that pic is Cutler looking like an amateur standing next to Coleman. Even in 2001 Jay was simply way outclassed. And from the back the difference was even more obvious.
lol you're joking right? For the love of god I hope you are joking because either you are the funniest man alive or have the iq and bodybuilding sense of a passed out squirrel.
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lol you're joking right? For the love of god I hope you are joking because either you are the funniest man alive or have the iq and bodybuilding sense of a passed out squirrel.
I like to think that I'm both funny AND have a reasonably high IQ and sense of bodybuilding aesthetics. But my earlier post wasn't meant to be a joke and I'm sorry if it came across that way.
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2005 was Cutler's peak - he's on his way to being the next Nasser
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88571.0;attach=95531;image)
Not. Jay can afford the best compounds.
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Dan-O is right, Jay was outclassed
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I am a big fan of both Ronnie and Jay.......I think both are the epitome of what bodybuilding is all about. Ronnie simply was not as crisp and hard as Jay was in 2001. Jay was in better shape period.....for THAT year.
Last year, if you look at Jay's "One step closer" DVD - you could see that he WAS in great shape.. BUT to me looked a little smooth or soft. Nothing like 2001. Ronnie came in very hard again. If anything, Jay was lucky to get 2nd in my opinion.
Read some of his post Olympia interviews and he said he over carbed on yams....he said that made him feel bloated and gave him an upset stomach.
I think some of the hammering on Jay is a little harsh....the dude is no pipsqueak....he's a class act as well.
E. 8)
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Ronnie has not deserved any of his Mr. Olympia's to date.
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lets think about this here for a second everyone.... if it was a tie from the front, and ronnie was killing jay from the back....... who does that mean won???
fuckin idiots.
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Ever notice how the Mr. O winners tend to win year after year. When the race is close, go with the default (=previous year's winner), and only crown a new one when the old Number 1 steps down and retires. This is the same logic that Vince McMahon used to use, having Hulk Hogan hold onto the WWF title for long periods of time, to give added prestige to the championship. In this sense, the Mr. O contest results are "fixed." I suspect Weider likes it this way. He likes champs who are yes-men. Someone like Titus or PRiest would be horrible Mr. O's, regardless of whether they really are better than Ronnie, because they would not go with the status quo but would be outspoken.
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lets think about this here for a second everyone.... if it was a tie from the front, and ronnie was killing jay from the back....... who does that mean won???
fuckin idiots.
some people love to hate Ronnie.
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Dude...no one here HATES Ronnie.......Ronnie is and was awesome in many contests. Just like Arnold was....but did Arnold really "win" the 1980 Olympia??? No, he didn't...does that mean I hate the guy for saying that....No.
Big Ron shouldn't have won the title in 2001 - simple as that. Did Ronnie beat Jay in 2005?? Yes....I think he did.
I personally think that Jay will win it this year IF he comes in a bit crisper than last year. He looked too damn smooth. Look at pics from last year to 2001.....
E.
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Dude...no one here HATES Ronnie.......Ronnie is and was awesome in many contests. Just like Arnold was....but did Arnold really "win" the 1980 Olympia??? No, he didn't...does that mean I hate the guy for saying that....No.
Big Ron shouldn't have won the title in 2001 - simple as that. Did Ronnie beat Jay in 2005?? Yes....I think he did.
I personally think that Jay will win it this year IF he comes in a bit crisper than last year. He looked too damn smooth. Look at pics from last year to 2001.....
E.
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did you watch the video? 2001 was Ronnie's. Hell even cheating didn't help Jay beat the man.
2005 Olympia - Clear Ronnie victory. Watch the prejudging on the BFTO 2005 and you'll see why. With 2 iches and 20-40 lbs on Cutler, Ronnie owned the stage that day.
2006 - Jay can win??? HA! Jay's midsection is wider than practically anyone else on stage. Being "a little tighter" won't be enough
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=88571.0
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Dude...no one here HATES Ronnie.......
NarcasissticDeity does... 8)
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Big Ron shouldn't have won the title in 2001 - simple as that.
Still not getting it..
-Pics do not convey Coleman's margin of superiority; even when Cutler was in better condition in 01, Coleman had and always will have fundamental advantages related to structure, tapers to smaller bones, volume, size and aesthetics. Don't confuse conditioning with the overall package; Cutler could never overcome basic problems such as blockiness that had nothing to do with conditioning.
-Like Coleman, Schwarzenegger was generally so much better that even at less than his best there was no one clearly better.
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jay won on conditioning. i remeber all the pics from that show and ronnie was holding alot of water. also, several pros that were competing at the same show said jay should have won.
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jay won on conditioning.
Too simplistic, it's very important but there are plenty of other considerations.
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Ronnie was holding the Atlantic ocean and was gut-tastic. Jay crushed him, hope this helps.
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Ronnie was holding the Atlantic ocean and was gut-tastic. Jay crushed him, hope this helps.
I'm surpried you can say that with a straight face after watching the clip. Besides, Ronnie's conditioning was off becuase diuretics were banned that year. Jay's only edge over Ronnie was that he was drier and he only obtained that by taking diuretics. Cheating couldn't even give him the win.
True champions don't cheat - the Mr. Olympia is a true champion - Ronnie is Mr. OLympia. True story.
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Jay's left quad is way better than his right
Just an angle. Ronnie isn't contracting his quads either.. comparing apples and oranges..
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I'm surpried you can say that with a straight face after watching the clip. Besides, Ronnie's conditioning was off becuase diuretics were banned that year. Jay's only edge over Ronnie was that he was drier and he only obtained that by taking diuretics. Cheating couldn't even give him the win.
True champions don't cheat - the Mr. Olympia is a true champion - Ronnie is Mr. OLympia. True story.
And these fools keep saying that Jay beat Ronnie. Thanks. BTW... that little suit might hurt Jay if some of the powers or whatever decide to hold it against him. Should have did like Shawn at the Arnold and took his medicine.
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This is not some philosophical conversation. Ronnie beats Jay again this year. Another year of whining, bitching, and TRYING to find kinks in the armor (2001 five years ago). :'(
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Jay's left quad is way better than his right
yes, there may even be something fishy about the pic. maybe.
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how anyone can contest the 2001 controversy is beyond me. If Ronnie Coleman was the good christian he claims to be, then if God asked him on his death bed who won in 2001 he would say Jay did. Jay literally owned him, the back was Ronnies as it always is, but there was such a huge overall difference (jays front ass raped Ronnies) that Jay had that contest comfortably in the bag. Yhe political bullshit robbed him and he should have sued the IFBB for EVERY penny he could get.
Why else would Ronnie - and ONLY Ronnie - be allowed to use banned props and have 10 minutes to pose as opposed to everyone elses 3 minutes or so? ::)
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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how anyone can contest the 2001 controversy is beyond me. If Ronnie Coleman was the good christian he claims to be, then if God asked him on his death bed who won in 2001 he would say Jay did. Jay literally owned him, the back was Ronnies as it always is, but there was such a huge overall difference (jays front ass raped Ronnies) that Jay had that contest comfortably in the bag. Yhe political bullshit robbed him and he should have sued the IFBB for EVERY penny he could get.
Why else would Ronnie - and ONLY Ronnie - be allowed to use banned props and have 10 minutes to pose as opposed to everyone elses 3 minutes or so? ::)
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Yeah...Shawn should have dropped a suit also at the Arnold. He hasnt come close to his 2001 shape and condition since. I wonder why? Also...he could give up the list of his Balco buddies. These guys dont want any part of a courtroom. It got settled out of court...just how they need it to be in bbing.
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2000 and 2001 Mr. Olympia were the years I could've seen Ronnie go down.... hell, he should've gone down - sorry, Hulkster. ;)
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And these fools keep saying that Jay beat Ronnie. Thanks. BTW... that little suit might hurt Jay if some of the powers or whatever decide to hold it against him. Should have did like Shawn at the Arnold and took his medicine.
Why are WE fools for stating our opinion??? Maybe YOU are the fool for not wanting to try and see other peoples views and thoughts. What...because your a Ronnie fan you don't want to hear anything negative?? I'm a Ronnie fan too but I just think Jay was better in '01 - Just as Ronnie was better than Jay last year. So am I still a "fool"??
Some folks on this board really need to chill out >:(
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So am I still a "foo"??
yes - and I pitty you
(http://www.burlingtonpol.com/generalpics/Mr.%20T.jpg)
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Jay beats him in condition and side triceps in that show. Ronnie is not beatable!
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Why are WE fools for stating our opinion??? Maybe YOU are the fool for not wanting to try and see other peoples views and thoughts. What...because your a Ronnie fan you don't want to hear anything negative?? I'm a Ronnie fan too but I just think Jay was better in '01 - Just as Ronnie was better than Jay last year. So am I still a "fool"??
Some folks on this board really need to chill out >:(
Jay got DQed. The directs made the difference between him and Ronnie in that show. Put Ronnie on his mix in 2001 and the Beast would have been 0% H2O :D. End of story!
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He is very beatable - once you introduce shape into the equation
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2000 and 2001 Mr. Olympia were the years I could've seen Ronnie go down.... hell, he should've gone down - sorry, Hulkster. ;)
It really wasn't even close in 2000. Check the bfto 00 ronnie posing in the hotel looks unreal
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2000 and 2001 Mr. Olympia were the years I could've seen Ronnie go down.... hell, he should've gone down - sorry, Hulkster. ;)
2001 maybe.
but no way in hell did he deserve to lose 2000: Kevin was nowhere near his early 90's form that night:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/4.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/2.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/11.jpg)
In 2002, sure. But not in 2000.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/mro2000_top6-07.jpg)
pretty tough to beat Ronnie when your back is not one of your strongest attributes.
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It really wasn't even close in 2000. Check the bfto 00 ronnie posing in the hotel looks unreal
LOL you beat me to it! 8)
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Ronnie did get beat by Gunter in that one show.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp64.jpg)
1st and last time someone made ronnie look small - it will happen again and when it does - ronnie will have a battle on his hands
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how quickly people forget Ronnie's superiority
It took a loss for Ronnie to turn it on , It took a threat from the powers that be < contract time> for The big man to bring something better in - now it is the title 9 in a row ... he has his own agenda and not paying attention to anybody - that may work or may work against him
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Gotta love Flex's delts
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Ronnie has not deserved any of his Mr. Olympia's to date.
you are drunk
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hahahahaha
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Jay beats him in condition and side triceps in that show. Ronnie is not beatable!
Ronnie is so beatable - just have to be bigger and wider and smaller waist
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I always thought Kevin hit the side chest the best ever. The problem was he was less detailed than ronnie in the chest and hamstrings from the side
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Ronnie's posing has hurt bodybuilding - it is not done correctly
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Ronnie's posing has hurt bodybuilding - it is not done correctly
he is not he best poser.
but I wouldn't say it has hurt bodybuilding.
Hell, Kevin was hitting the side chest post "incorrectly - ie non-traditionally" way back in 1991.
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This years dark horse will be Markus.
He will be way more different.
Stay tune at the santa susana.
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1st and last time someone made ronnie look small - it will happen again and when it does - ronnie will have a battle on his hands
Gunter is more impressive that Ron any day of the week
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Gunter is more impressive that Ron any day of the week
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monster and brutal taper.
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Ronnie is only a shadow of 1999, but he is still the class of the field.
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Ronnie is only a shadow of 1999, but he is still the class of the field.
agreed.
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nothing new. the day a Mr Olympia is defeated would be the day everything changes
It has NOTHING to do with the fact that Ronnie is Mr. O. Jay doesn't have a chance. Ronnie destroys him, PERIOD. Noboday can "dethrone" him cause he's just to good!
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if Jay were smart he'd go the for the same bodyweight as last year but concentrate on tightening up and streamlining his waist. I heard he was heavier than last year at point, weight isn't really the issue. He's never gonna be bigger than Ron but he can, especially at this point in ron's career outclass him by being more refined and polished. If it's true that ron is coming in at over 300 than he'll get a gift, he looks terrible compared to when he first won the sandow. Last year he looked like another person, if you put his first olympia BDB next to his last years shot and showed it to someone who's new to the sport they wouldn't even know it was the same guy. Last year Jay pretty much equalled ron in back shots and looked better in them in my opinion because he was more complete and muscular head to toe, if he can come in really defined this year and get his color right like he had in 2001 he can beat ron but the judges will never let that happen so it's kinda a mute point.
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Yes Big Ron can be beat....BUT we all know that will never happen until he retires sorry...With the way judging is right now in the ifbb, Ronnie could come in looking like he is out of shape guest posing and still win at the Olympia.... 8)
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Yes Big Ron can be beat....BUT we all know that will never happen until he retires sorry...With the way judging is right now in the ifbb, Ronnie could come in looking like he is out of shape guest posing and still win at the Olympia.... 8)
Ronnie could come in like Chris Farley and win the title plus Best Posing Routine! But sadly he will fall, and he will be beaten!
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Too many politics involved for Ronnie to lose...He will just have to retire....Even if he does get beaten on stage, the judges will still give him the nod in the end...The judges can't give it to anyone else if Ronnie is competing because they fear how good of graces Big Ron and God have....LoL ::)
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i'm a huge Cutler fan but Ronnie destroyed Jay in that clip.
I disagree
I think Cutler looked better in that clip and should have won
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cuttler got screwed tht year- :'( he should have knocked him off- thats why the O is not really a fair show its based alot on politics and those pics are proof-jays midsection was way better and his legs were way more conditioned and grainy and plus he has visible calfs- i admit ron brougth his legs up from 2001 but his gutt also grew a great deal :P
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king ron eats poop sandwiches.
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2001 maybe.
but no way in hell did he deserve to lose 2000: Kevin was nowhere near his early 90's form that night:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/4.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/2.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/11.jpg)
In 2002, sure. But not in 2000.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mrolympia2000/mro2000_top6-07.jpg)
pretty tough to beat Ronnie when your back is not one of your strongest attributes.
coleman made everyone look like kids next to him..colemans legs looked like huge tree trunks in that show.kevin was no where near coleman in that show.coleman was looking like an in shape silverback gorilla..i really like colemans 2000 olympia shape
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Levrone got robbed twice against Coleman
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Levrone got robbed twice against Coleman
o rly
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I think the only way Coleman can be beaten is if the judges penalize him for his midsection. If that occurs even Jay wouldn’t finish 2nd. Guys like Dexter and will have a much better chance in wining.
Paul L.
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Is it coincidence that Jay achieved his best shape the year he also failed the diuretics test?
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Ronnie cant be beat because he hasnt been beat. The Show of Strength was a fluke. When it comes to Olympias he is unbeatable. Why doesnt everybody just let it go? He is so far ahead of the rest of the field. Jay will have to be a bit better than last year to win and he started showing slight signs of distention which is from trying to play the size game obviously.
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NarcasissticDeity does... 8)
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Hulkster, no one "hates" Ronnie. He was, in his 1998 and 1999 forms, a superb bodybuilder. But the thing is that he's not the greatest ever, like you make him out to be. There were far more complete bodybuilders than him, like Oliva, Dorian, Wheeler, Arnold, etc. Ronnie doesen't have a 1995 Levrone to face, or a 1993 ASC Wheeler, or a 1993 Dorian. All these bodybuilders had strenghs over Ronnie that you just refuse to admit because you're biased: a super-fan who puts logic on the side, when it comes to your hero. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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King Ron can be beat in everyones eyes except the current judges in the ifbb....Just take a look at 2001...Nuffsaid... :o
No he can't. If he is in any of the coditions that he won with he can not be beat....
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nothing new. the day a Mr Olympia is defeated would be the day everything changes
He was at the Europa show by Gunter. Nothing changed. It wasn't the O, but could of been.
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There were far more complete bodybuilders than him, like Oliva, Dorian, Wheeler, Arnold, etc.
the fact that you think those particular bodybuilders are more complete than a 98/99 Ronnie shows how biased YOU are.
Wheeler - huge glaring lack of lats, hams and glutes against Ronnie, who only has a lack of calves.
Arnold - huge glaring lack of triceps, lats, quads against Ronnie, who only has a lack of calves.
Dorian - huge lack of arm, delt, pec and quad shape against Ronnie, poor biceps in comparison to peak Ronnie, who only lacks calves.
Sergio - sergio had the taper, but lacked the detail against ronnie (since it was the 60's its no wonder why), who only lacks calves.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman74.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90805.0;attach=98361;image)
no Sucky, those bodybuilders are NOT more complete than a peak Ronnie...
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the fact that you think those particular bodybuilders are more complete than a 98/99 Ronnie shows how biased YOU are.
Said the "leader of the Colemaniacs". ::)Ok, let's see...
Wheeler - huge glaring lack of lats, hams and glutes against Ronnie, who only has a lack of calves.
His lats were not as wide as Ronnie's; granted, he competed at a bodyweight 40 lbs lighter! But the fact remains that he was more complete. His hams were as tight as Ronnie's, but again not as big. Glutes should not be large: like abs, the glutes is one of the few bodyprts which should not be hypertrophied. Wheeler's head-to-toe balance was always superior to Ronnie's.
Arnold - huge glaring lack of triceps, lats, quads against Ronnie, who only has a lack of calves.
Only you would say that. There's almost an universal consensus that Arnold or Sergio was the greatest bodybuilder ever. One of the two. Arnold incomplete? Please...the only bodyart he was sub-par at were exactly the same as Ronnie's: calves. Arnold's pecs were the most massive ever, his lats were wide, tapered and very thick - for the standards of the time. Triceps? His tris were not as good as his biceps, but they were the best of his era...besides Oliva's. His quads were not that great, ok, but his front quad separations were phenomenal. Saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn't a complete bodybuilder... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Hulkster, Hulkster... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Dorian - huge lack of arm, delt, pec and quad shape against Ronnie, poor biceps in comparison to peak Ronnie, who only lacks calves.
See my 600 posts and 300 pics on the truce thread... 8)
Sergio - sergio had the taper, but lacked the detail against ronnie (since it was the 60's its no wonder why), who only lacks calves.
Oliva's genetics, refinement, taper, fullness, completeness and long muscle bellies make Ronnie look like an amateur compared to him, when it comes to balance and quality. You're talking about the most genetically gifted bodybuilder of all times...
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Said the "leader of the Colemaniacs". ::)Ok, let's see...
His lats were not as wide as Ronnie's; granted, he competed at a bodyweight 40 lbs lighter! But the fact remains that he was more complete. His hams were as tight as Ronnie's, but again not as big. Glutes should not be large: like abs, the glutes is one of the few bodyprts which should not be hypertrophied. Wheeler's head-to-toe balance was always superior to Ronnie's.
Only you would say that. There's almost an universal consensus that Arnold or Sergio was the greatest bodybuilder ever. One of the two. Arnold incomplete? Please...the only bodyart he was sub-par at were exactly the same as Ronnie's: calves. Arnold's pecs were the most massive ever, his lats were wide, tapered and very thick - for the standards of the time. Triceps? His tris were not as good as his biceps, but they were the best of his era...besides Oliva's. His quads were not that great, ok, but his front quad separations were phenomenal. Saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn't a complete bodybuilder... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) Hulkster, Hulkster... ::) ::) ::) ::)
See my 600 posts and 300 pics on the truce thread... 8)
Oliva's genetics, refinement, taper, fullness, completeness and long muscle bellies make Ronnie look like an amateur compared to him, when it comes to balance and quality. You're talking about the most genetically gifted bodybuilder of all times...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This is pure doggerel.
SUCKMYCOCK, do you actually read your posts?
"Oliva makes ronnie look like an amateur" - folly.
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This is pure doggerel.
SUCKMYCOCK, do you actually read your posts?
"Oliva makes ronnie look like an amateur" - folly.
Go get yourself an education on bodybuilding, and then we can have a reasonable conversation, you Ronnie dick rider. I wasn't talking about muscularity, which Ronnie obviously has more of than oliva. If you understood the conversation taking place, you'd know I was refering to completeness, which Oliva definitely had more of than Ronnie. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nice backpeddle.
You claimed oliva makes ronnie look like an amateur.
Are you out of your mind?
Think before you type so you can avoid lookin like a tit.
Please.
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Oliva's genetics, refinement, taper, fullness, completeness and long muscle bellies make Ronnie look like an amateur compared to him, when it comes to balance and quality.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Oliva11.jpg)
really? ::)
You are a moron.
You made the argument that guys like sergio, flex and arnold were "more complete" than Ronnie and therefore better.
I have shown that they were not. And I can continue to do so if you would like..
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc55.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/oliva/so84.jpg)
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Are you the "new ND" of getbig?
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hmmm. Flex does certainly not look more complete than Ronnie...
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974028279.jpg)
in fact, they both look pretty even in terms of completeness...
until they turn around...
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1998_12LG.jpg)
GOD ALMIGHTY! WHEN WILL THE OWNAGE OF SUCKYMYASSHOLE STOP??!!??
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hmmm. Flex does certainly not look more complete than Ronnie...
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc230.jpg)(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974028279.jpg)
in fact, they both look pretty even in terms of completeness...
until they turn around...
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1998_12LG.jpg)
WOW - the picture on the right is Flex back in the 90's which he was spanking Ronnie and the Picture is Ronnie after he has made improvements - PLEASE STOP THE SILLY POSTS
GOD ALMIGHTY! WHEN WILL THE OWNAGE OF SUCKYMYASSHOLE STOP??!!??
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WOW - the picture on the right is Flex back in the 90's which he was spanking Ronnie and the Picture is Ronnie after he has made improvements - PLEASE STOP THE SILLY POSTS
so what? what does that have to do with "completeness"?
Suckmyasshole made the argument.
I proved him wrong.
It doesn't matter when the pics were taken.
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WOW - the picture on the right is Flex back in the 90's which he was spanking Ronnie and the Picture is Ronnie after he has made improvements - PLEASE STOP THE SILLY POSTS
Using your logic... should the comparison pics between Coleman and Oliva show Ronnie as a five year-old, since that's how old he was when Oliva won the O in 1969? ::)
And learn how to use the quote feature properly! That will be all.