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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,211960,00.html
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it's just propaganda.
it probably has something to do with it being an election year.
al-qaeda is a figment of Karl Rove's imagination
Have you heard about Operation Northwoods?
Have you heard about Project for a New American Century?
Have you heard about Pearl Harbor?
I love my country, but I can't believe that the government would do this.
Mossad did this at the behest of the Rothschilds and/or Roman Abramovich. Rupert Murdoch was probably in on it too.
It is to divert attention from Iran approaching the UN about nuclear talks.
Rumsfeld just announced that the military misplaced $4 trillion: they're trying to divert attention.
It's b/c 9/11 skeptics are getting more publicity.
We should attack Saudia Arabia.
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they just want us to think that we're actually getting shit done in Iraq.
they're just trying to divert attention from the opium harvest figures in Afghanistan that were released yesterday.
they're going to test the ethnic bullet on him.
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it's just propaganda.
it probably has something to do with it being an election year.
al-qaeda is a figment of Karl Rove's imagination
Have you heard about Operation Northwoods?
Have you heard about Project for a New American Century?
Have you heard about Pearl Harbor?
I love my country, but I can't believe that the government would do this.
Mossad did this at the behest of the Rothschilds and/or Roman Abramovich. Rupert Murdoch was probably in on it too.
It is to divert attention from Iran approaching the UN about nuclear talks.
Rumsfeld just announced that the military misplaced $4 trillion: they're trying to divert attention.
It's b/c 9/11 skeptics are getting more publicity.
We should attack Saudia Arabia.
LMAO
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it's just propaganda.
it probably has something to do with it being an election year.
al-qaeda is a figment of Karl Rove's imagination
Have you heard about Operation Northwoods?
Have you heard about Project for a New American Century?
Have you heard about Pearl Harbor?
I love my country, but I can't believe that the government would do this.
Mossad did this at the behest of the Rothschilds and/or Roman Abramovich. Rupert Murdoch was probably in on it too.
It is to divert attention from Iran approaching the UN about nuclear talks.
Rumsfeld just announced that the military misplaced $4 trillion: they're trying to divert attention.
It's b/c 9/11 skeptics are getting more publicity.
We should attack Saudia Arabia.
I can tell you're trying to belittle what the 911 skeptics say. but you actually show some knowledge of some events, and I bet deep down you smell seomthing fishy.
It should be noted, interestingly enough, that 911 skeptics simply want the truth. There have been so many lies, so many contrary statements.
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It's b/c they're planning to attack the FLDS temple in Texas, just like they did David Koresh's compound.
Hillary Clinton signed off on it, so she could show the Rothschild-Rockefeller nexus that she's on board with the Bilderberger program.
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they're going to test their "mind compartmentalizing" techniques on the poor bastard.
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It's b/c they're planning to attack the FLDS temple in Texas, just like they did David Koresh's compound.
Hillary Clinton signed off on it, so she could show the Rothschild-Rockefeller nexus that she's on board with the Bilderberger program.
It is fun to mock, huh? I have presented an argument this am that
1- the 93 WTC attacks had FBI involvement
2- the nov 2001 tape is fake
3- there is no real proof connecting bin laden to 911 at all.
And you mock me with this immature stuff, huh?
I think you're scared to face the facts here.
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they're going to test their "mind compartmentalizing" techniques on the poor bastard.
You are a sheep, Al.
You're too scared of yur own govt to objectively look at facts.
you're brainwashed, man.
go look in a mirror and tell yourself that you KNOW biin laden was behind 911- and that you know is because you saw a fake tape from the CIA.
Sheep.
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Hillary Clinton signed off on it, so she could show the Rothschild-Rockefeller nexus that she's on board with the Bilderberger program.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Hillary.jpg)
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It is fun to mock, huh? I have presented an argument this am that
1- the 93 WTC attacks had FBI involvement
2- the nov 2001 tape is fake
3- there is no real proof connecting bin laden to 911 at all.
And you mock me with this immature stuff, huh?
I think you're scared to face the facts here.
What are you talking about? . . . I'm just neatly listing in concise fashion the many factors that bear on this event.
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You're too scared of yur own govt to objectively look at facts.
you're brainwashed, man.
Part of freedom is NOT being afraid of your Government!!
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Everyone knows that Dubya's dad was once director of the CIA. Obviously, he orchestrated this somehow.
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What are you talking about? . . . I'm just neatly listing in concise fashion the many factors that bear on this event.
come on al. You love your country, right? Look at facts. You're spouting the conspiracy theorist BS lines.
I'm takling facts. The bin laden tape is the only thing that ties him to 911. And it's not him on the tape. I don't see what that doesn't trouble people.
How can you just shrug off the only piece of evidence being obviously fake?
Please look me in the eye and tell me that is him on that tape lol...
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And most importantly, he doesn't look like this guy. THis guy is the real AL-suaidi
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And most importantly, he doesn't look like this guy. THis guy is the real AL-suaidi
you're mocking this.
there are 3000 dead americans and the only piece of proof tying it to bin laden is a fake tape the CIA verified but no one else will.
You're a pathetic american, al gebra.
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You're spouting the conspiracy theorist BS lines.
i have been educated on the getbig general board . . . why would you deny the legitimacy of your own research?
Fight the power!!!!
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i have been educated on the getbig general board . . . why would you deny the legitimacy of your own research?
Fight the power!!!!
you're a pathetic excuse for an american.
people died for your right to question shady evidence. When it is presented to you, you mock it. There are 3000 dead and the proof of bin laden's guilt was faked.
You're pathetic.
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you're a pathetic excuse for an american.
people died for your right to question shady evidence. When it is presented to you, you mock it. There are 3000 dead and the proof of bin laden's guilt was faked.
You're pathetic.
why the hostility, bro? I've been convicted by your proof, and I have changed. I believe that bin laden's guilt was faked. I believe. I believe. Hallelujah!
Now, let's just educate the rest of the board about the various factors that bear on this "arrest" of Al-Suaidi. I was hoping we could work together, like master and disciple.
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why the hostility, bro? I've been convicted by your proof, and I have changed. I believe that bin laden's guilt was faked. I believe. I believe. Hallelujah!
Now, let's just educate the rest of the board about the various factors that bear on this "arrest" of Al-Suaidi. I was hoping we could work together, like master and disciple.
This is what the govt talking heads do on the news whenever a 911 skeptic would like to present evidence which punches holes in the official story. They use insulting words, phrases, and inferences. They hope viewers will label the person a nut instead of looking at the evidence.
The CIA verified a bin laden tape which is not bin laden. According to many experts, and according to your lying eyes. It is not him.
The CIA lied to you because it allowed them to continue a war overseas.
I know it's easier to mock someone for stereotypes, but perhaps if you looked at the facts, you'd be as concerned and worried as I am. We've lost thousands of men in wars whose permission to enter was granted because of the bin laden fear.
If the CIA is behind all this bin laedn fear, it's a huge problem.
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you're a pathetic excuse for an american.
people died for your right to question shady evidence. When it is presented to you, you mock it. There are 3000 dead and the proof of bin laden's guilt was faked.
You're pathetic.
Hahaha, don't cry man!
why the hostility, bro? I've been convicted by your proof, and I have changed. I believe that bin laden's guilt was faked. I believe. I believe. Hallelujah!
Now, let's just educate the rest of the board about the various factors that bear on this "arrest" of Al-Suaidi. I was hoping we could work together, like master and disciple.
ROFL
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Laugh it up. It's much more comforting to ignore evidence.
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Laugh it up. It's much more comforting to ignore evidence.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
You've ignored ALL my links 240. Don't cry when people behave like you behave.
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Laugh it up. It's much more comforting to ignore evidence.
Absolutely. we've presented them with persuasive evidence from sites like the americanfreepress.com, the7thfire.com, etc.
we've also presented them with evidence from other sites who realize that "journalistic accountability" is just another tool used by the man.
we've also used the 9/11 commission and NIST reports as they're supposed to be used. We know that we should completely ignore them as the man puts them out.
Everyone knows that people on the fringes of society (some with suicidal tendencies) are super reliable. We've also found theologians and middle-eastern studies teaching assistants to comment on structural engineering issues.
Man, we've found a lot of stuff for these people, and yet . . . Goddamn this brood of unbelieving vipers. Goddamn you all!!!!!
PS. don't forget our use of highly reliable google video. WHo needs the New York Times when we have youtube?
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
You've ignored ALL my links 240. Don't cry when people behave like you behave.
Popular mechanics was recently embarassed on a radio show when they were proven to be making up facts, redirecting questions, and straight up lying. They have refused any more radi ointerview requests. The jig is up.
And I don't see how maddox making fun of people discredits the bin laden tape. It's an obvious fake. The US govt said it was real. Since it's the only piece of evidence tying bin laden to 911, it's a pretty important fact, dontcha think?
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Al,
Is that bin laden on the tape? yes or no.
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Popular mechanics was recently embarassed on a radio show when they were proven to be making up facts, redirecting questions, and straight up lying. They have refused any more radi ointerview requests. The jig is up.
Evidence?
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Al,
Is that bin laden on the tape? yes or no.
240, it pains me that you keep disowning me . . . of course i believe it's a fake. they're all fakes b/c one of them might be a fake. and of course i believe it's the only thread of evidence by which the whole iraq war hangs. we must cut through this thread.
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Absolutely. we've presented them with persuasive evidence from sites like the americanfreepress.com, the7thfire.com, etc.
we've also presented them with evidence from other sites who realize that "journalistic accountability" is just another tool used by the man.
we've also used the 9/11 commission and NIST reports as they're supposed to be used. We know that we should completely ignore them as the man puts them out.
Everyone knows that people on the fringes of society (some with suicidal tendencies) are super reliable. We've also found theologians and middle-eastern studies teaching assistants to comment on structural engineering issues. we've also found people who apparently know about structural engineering, but are still willing to go on record about stuff they've never tested. WHo needs labs?
After all, all the 9/11 debris was shipped to China.
Man, we've found a lot of stuff for these people, and yet . . . Goddamn this brood of unbelieving vipers. Goddamn you all!!!!!
PS. don't forget our use of highly reliable google video. WHo needs the New York Times when we have youtube?
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240, it pains me that you keep disowning me . . . of course i believe it's a fake. they're all fakes b/c one of them might be a fake. and of course i believe it's the only thread of evidence by which the whole iraq war hangs. we must cut through this thread.
So if the tape is fake, what evidence exists that bin laden was in any way connected to 911?
Zero.
See why I'm concerned? The CIA said the tape is real and 911 was all his fault. If they faked the tape, then I sure as hell don't trust them to tell the truth about the 911 attacks a month earlier.
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PS. don't forget our use of highly reliable google video. WHo needs the New York Times when we have youtube?
This along with poor shitty un-professional websites sums up 240's "proof".
But he will continue to say: "NY Times, BBC, Fox all have their arms twisted behind their backs by the goverment."
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Al gebra - you cannot discount google and youtube video. It shows video clips of events which tend to disappear off of media websites when politics call for it. Have you not seen all the stuff the major news sites pulled off their sites after 911?
There are many holes in the official 911 story. And without that fake tape, there is no connection to 911 for bin laden. Why did the CIA lie? Who is truly responsible? Usually, when someone shifts blame, it's because THEY have something to hide. What motive does the CIA have to essentuially "frame" bin laden?
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So if the tape is fake, what evidence exists that bin laden was in any way connected to 911?
Zero.
See why I'm concerned? The CIA said the tape is real and 911 was all his fault. If they faked the tape, then I sure as hell don't trust them to tell the truth about the 911 attacks a month earlier.
yeah, I agree. I think we should also not ever mention all of what Bruce Lawrence says on this matter . . . even though he is the Bin Laden expert we like to mention in passing.
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This along with poor shitty un-professional websites sums up 240's "proof".
But he will continue to say: "NY Times, BBC, Fox all have their arms twisted behind their backs by the goverment."
I've said many times that both sides have scientists and websites proving their point. That it's hard to believe either side compeltely because no matter where you stand, 50% of the info out there is wrong.
use your eyes and evidence that is part of the public record.
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1993 FBI WTC involvement - on public record and no one ever denied it from the FBI.
2001 Nov OBL tape - use your eyes to look at it - that isn't him.
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yeah, I agree. I think we should also not ever mention all of what Bruce Lawrence says on this matter . . . even though he is the Bin Laden expert we like to mention in passing.
Please share what he said. I'm interested in info from all angles. This is huge, and I might be wrong. i'd LOVE to be wrong, and see solid proof that bin laden did 911.
But so far, all they've given us is this video, with a man who is shorter, fatter, and has a different nose and skull than OBL.
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I've said many times that both sides have scientists and websites proving their point. \
and we know that we must give both sides equal credibility . . . even if one side keeps the US going and the other side is composed mostly of people ranching in Montana and Utah other backwaters of the world.
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This thread is hilarious!!! ;D
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and we know that we must give both sides equal credibility . . . even if one side keeps the US going and the other side is composed mostly of people ranching in Montana and Utah other backwaters of the world.
or, one side has an unlimited budget and is politically motivated.
and the other is a group of bi-partisan scholars, students, and everyday people who just want the truth.
Who do you trust more to tell the truth?
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or, one side has an unlimited budget and is politically motivated.
and the other is a group of bi-partisan scholars, students, and everyday people who just want the truth.
Who do you trust more to tell the truth?
everyday people know best about national security . . . hell, we protect our houses, and the country is just a real big house. I trust the scholars and students . . . hell, they're educated and getting educated. In fact, I think I'm going to have one of the 9/11 scholars do my rotator cuff surgery . . . they're such Renaissance men.
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Hmmmmmmm??????? things to consider.
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You know how children often laugh at funerals because they're feeling confused, awkward, and unable to process the info in front of them? I'd liken your mocking to that.
911 was the most important event of our lifetimes. There is visual evidence that the only piece of evidence pointing to the guilty one behind it is faked. It's incredible that this doesn't matter to you.
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Hmm....
Imagine he shaves his beard, moves to Canada and stays out of the sun for a while...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92093.0;attach=100187;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=91926.0;attach=99847;image)
If you look closely at the second picture there's a Mossad agent telephoning to George Bush about Pearl Harbour.
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how many times have we caught the #2 man ? always before an election,soon the we'll go up to threat level orange again.
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how many times have we caught the #2 man ? always before an election,soon the we'll go up to threat level orange again.
When one is cought another takes over. Besides there's like 60 something days before the election, it's not like it's next week :-\!!
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It is fun to mock, huh? I have presented an argument this am that
1- the 93 WTC attacks had FBI involvement
2- the nov 2001 tape is fake
3- there is no real proof connecting bin laden to 911 at all.
And you mock me with this immature stuff, huh?
I think you're scared to face the facts here.
The problem as I see it 240 or bust, is that you're doing classic mistake in asking people to either believe everything you say, or nothing at all.
No, you don't write it out in the clear.
But when you associate so many of these situations with each other, it makes it harder to agree with you on each individual matter.
While many would probably agree that the man on the latest Osama tapes may not be Osama bin Laden, many are reluctant to come across as believers in a 9-11 conspiracy.
I believe there was some election cheating, and I'd like that to be further investigated, I believe the voting system needs a complete system checkup.
I don't see any connection to a 9-11 however.
In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.
I agree with you in some issues, in other i completely disagree. What I am saying is, to argue your points, perhaps you should choose to simply point out the wrongs in the particular case and not refer to the 9-11 as well.
YIP
Zack
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The problem as I see it 240 or bust, is that you're doing classic mistake in asking people to either believe everything you say, or nothing at all.
No, you don't write it out in the clear.
But when you associate so many of these situations with each other, it makes it harder to agree with you on each individual matter.
While many would probably agree that the man on the latest Osama tapes may not be Osama bin Laden, many are reluctant to come across as believers in a 9-11 conspiracy.
I believe there was some election cheating, and I'd like that to be further investigated, I believe the voting system needs a complete system checkup.
I don't see any connection to a 9-11 however.
In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.
I agree with you in some issues, in other i completely disagree. What I am saying is, to argue your points, perhaps you should choose to simply point out the wrongs in the particular case and not refer to the 9-11 as well.
YIP
Zack
I guess, I see it as...
if the govt will falsely blame OBL in 93 - which the recordings show they did....
and if the govt will create evidence to blame OBL in Nov 2001... which thee fake tape shows they did...
(and both of these things was done to create fear in people, and in 01, to justify a war)
why do people completely rule out the possibility that 911 was done to create fear and justify a war? I'm not asking for a conviction here... I'm asking for another investigation. In any trial, wouldn't this be enough *probable cause* to justify a new investigation?
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In no way I would believe the Bush Administration to be part of an attack its own nation.
Would you believe, at all, that the White house let the 1993 WTC bombings happen/go completely uninvestigated?
The chief culprit here met with the head of teh NY FBI several times. The FBI gave him the truck, the bombs, and where to park it. They said it was just a drill. The Arab pawn thought he was being set up and tape recorded the meeting. However, this recording, played on the news and heralded by his defense attorney, was only talked about on the news for one day.
Then it was prevented from coming into trial. The media wouldn't touch the story anymore.
hedge, our country has used false-flag terror attacks in the past to get public opinion/justification for certain policies. Do you consider this possibility at all (once you do, it makes 911 easier to swallow)
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Would you believe, at all, that the White house let the 1993 WTC bombings happen/go completely uninvestigated?
I'm going to make a serious effort to read what material there is on that.
YIP
Zack
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html
here is a starting point (from a website which will take heat of course) but will give you the names and events to assist your search:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html
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people died for your right to question shady evidence. When it is presented to you, you mock it.
in your opinion how accurate was Oliver Stones's "JFK" and "Nixon"?
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in your opinion how accurate was Oliver Stones's "JFK" and "Nixon"?
I have not seen JFK in quite a few years, and never saw Nixon. I don't really have an opinion on them.
IMO, if I become one of those guys who calls "CONSPIRACY!" on everything, then I'll be labeled a nut and will make no difference in this world. Instead, I choose to learn everything I can about the one event which matters to our lives, which is 911.
I think the evidence of 911 is clear: We were lied to. It doesn't mean any particular person or party caused 911. It just means that the 911 Commission covered up some of the facts. This cannot be disputed. There are many examples, but I will pick the most obvious- Flight 93. They said it nosedived into a hole. Yet parts of the plane were found scattered over 5 square miles. Obvious lie. Supporters can give any justification they want- but the bottom line is that if they lied about one thing, the credibility of their entire story is in question, and a new investigation is required. Reopen 911.
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Would you believe, at all, that the White house let the 1993 WTC bombings happen/go completely uninvestigated?
The incident was investigated and people were put in jail over it.
Also this was the reason Clinton fired missles into Afghanistan.
Quit making things up.
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The incident was investigated and people were put in jail over it.
Also this was the reason Clinton fired missles into Afghanistan.
Quit making things up.
Do you work for the fucking govt, man? it's public record that the FBI was involved in the 93 planning and even gave them the explosives to use.
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THE NEW YORK TIMES
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Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1
"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"
By Ralph Blumenthal
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building
a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center,
and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting
harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after
the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.
The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of
hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his
talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as
being in a far better position than previously known to foil
the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.
The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people
injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars.
Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court
[on charges of involvement] in that attack.
Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used
by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle
of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases:
the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy
the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other
New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the
second bombing case, but his work for the Government was
erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast,
he was feuding with th F.B.I.
Supervisor `Messed It Up'
After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an
undated transcript of a conversation from that period,
Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent
about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said,
"came and messed it up."
"He requested to meet me in the hotel,"
Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.
"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't
push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with
a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was
involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."
The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to
complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the
Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by
an agent identified as John Anticev.
Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,
"He said, I don't think that the New York people would
like the things out of the New York Office to go to
Washington, D.C."
Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute
Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it,
saying of the `New York people':
"Well, of course not, because they don't want to
get their butts chewed."
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Combined report by Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash
From newspaper _The_Shadow_ Oct. 1994/Jan. 1995 Issue
Two cassette tape recordings, obtained by SHADOW reporter Paul DiRienzo
of telephone conversations between FBI informant Emad Salem and his
Bureau contacts reveal secret U.S. Government complicity in the February
26, 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City in which six
people were killed and more than a thousand were injured.
After careful deliberation, the SHADOW believes the question regarding
the bombing boils down to the following: Did the FBI do the bombing,
utilizing informant Salem as an "agent provocateur" or did it fail to
prevent an independent Salem and his associates from doing it? The
taped conversations obtained by the SHADOW seem to indicate the former:
FBI Informant Edam Salem: "...we was start already building the bomb
which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by
supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all
informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who?
By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case!"
Who is Emad Salem? FBI bomber, Arab double-agent or just greedy?
Possibly a combination of all three. Salem is a former Egyptian Army
officer who is currently the U.S. government's star witness against
Egyptian cleric Dr. Omar Abdel Rahman, whom the FBI says was the
ringleader in several bombing plots, including the World Trade Center.
Shortly after the bombing at the Twin Towers (World Trade Center) the
U.S. government moved to take Salem into the Witness Protection program.
According to the FBI, Salem was aware of the plot ostensibly because he
had infiltrated Sheik Rahman and his associates. He was recruited as a
government informant shortly after the 1991 assassination of of right-
wing militant Rabbi Meir Kahane. As an associate of Rahman, Salem
traveled in the cleric's inner circle, surreptitiously recording
conversations, and selling his information to the Bureau. But unknown
to his FBI handlers, Salem was also secretly recording his conversations
with them, most likely to protect himself.
According to attorney Ron Kuby, after Salem was taken into the Witness
Protection program on June 24, 1993, he told the feds about the more
than 1,000 conversations he had recorded sometime between December, 1991
and June, 1993. Kuby says that while some of these tapes are not
significant, others contain substantive dealings with Salem and his FBI
handlers. Salem was actually bugging the FBI.
The World Trade Center bombing, along with subsequent alleged plots to
bomb prominent targets in New York City, spawned a number of federal
indictments and trials resulting in the conviction of more than a dozen
men, all of Arabic descent. Salem's exposure as a government informant
who had a year earlier infiltrated the group of men later charged in the
bombing conspiracy caused many to wonder why he and the FBI failed to
provide any warning of the pending World Trade Center bombing.
The answer now appears self-evident. According to William Kuntsler,
attorney for Ibrahim El-Gabrowny, one of those accused in the larger
bombing case, the entire conspiracy was the product of Salem, the
government informant. Kuntsler's law partner Ronald Kuby told the
SHADOW that within hours of the World Trade Center blast, Salem checked
into a midtown hospital, complaining of a loud ringing in his ears.
There is a growing belief that some of the four men charged and since
convicted and jailed for the World Trade Center bombing, Mohammed
Aboulihma, Mohammed Salameh, Nidal Ayyad and Ahmad Ajaj, may be innocent
[victims] of a government frame-up.
Attorneys for those convicted have maintained that the government's case
is circumstantial at best, with no evidence or motive linking the
accused with the bombing. The FBI and federal prosecutors have not as
yet responded to questions over the lack of warning of the attack on the
Twin Towers, despite the strategic placement of their informant.
Two possible scenarios emerge. One: Salem is a rogue FBI informant who
created the conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center for the money his
information about the plot (minus his role) would bring. An attorney
for one of the convicted men told the SHADOW that Salem was an FBI
informant from November of 1991 to the summer of 1992. The attorney
says that the FBI became aware of the World Trade Center bombing plot
through informant Salem during this period, but they refused to believe
his information or pay Salem's exhorbitant fees. In fact, the feds
claimed that they dropped Salem as an informant during the summer of
1992 after he refused or failed a lie detector test. This left Salem
with a bombing plot but no one to sell it to.
According to the attorney, Salem let the plot that he hatched go forward
and the World Trade Center was bombed so that he could get money and
publicity. The attorney says that within 48 hours of the bombing, the
FBI requested Salem to help them solve the case. Salem quickly pointed
the fingers at the defendants, all followers of Sheik Rahman.
So, who did it? From the above point of view, Salem constructed the
bomb plot with those whom he subsequently set up. The U.S. government
and its FBI were innocent bystanders who failed to prevent the carnage
due to their unwillingness to take Salem's claims seriously, despite his
close collaboration with Bureau agents for the better part of a year.
The other scenario looks like this: Informant Salem organized the bomb
plot with the "supervision" of the FBI and the District Attorney as part
of a classic entrapment setup. He befriended certain individuals,
possibly some of the defendants, convinced them that his intentions to
bomb the World Trade Center were sincere, and convinced them to get
involved. The bomb goes off. Greedy Salem, with his ears still
ringing, sells out his accomplices while attempting to sell more
information to the Bureau. In order to protect him and their
relationship, the FBI sequesters Salem and utilizes him against the real
target of the FBI, Sheik Rahman.
In one of the taped conversations between Salem and "Special Agent" John
Anticev, Salem refers to him and the Bureau's involvement in making the
bomb that blew up the World Trade Center. As Salem is pressing for
money while emphasizing his value as a Bureau asset, the conversation
moves in and out of references to the bombing and the FBI's knowledge of
the bomb making:
FBI: But ah basically nothing has changed. I'm just telling you for my
own sake that nothing, that this isn't a salary but you got paid
regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit
out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don't tell Nancy I
told you this. (Nancy Floyd is another FBI agent who worked with Salem
in his informant capacity. The second tape obtained by the SHADOW is of
a telephone conversation between Salem and Floyd -Ed.)
SALEM: Well, I have to tell her of course.
FBI: Well then, if you have to, you have to.
SALEM: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being
honest and everything was submitted with receipts and now it's
questionable.
FBI: It's not questionable, it's like a little out of the' ordinary.
SALEM: Okay. I don't think it was. If that what you think guys, fine,
but I don't think that because we was start already building the bomb
which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising
supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it
and we know what the bomb start to be built. By who? By your
confidential informant. What a wonderful great case! And then he put
his head in the sand I said "Oh, no, no, that's not true, he is son of a
bitch." (Deep breath) Okay. It's built with a different way in another
place and that's it.
FBI: No, don't make any rash decisions. I'm just trying to be as honest
with you as I can.
SALEM: Of course, I appreciate that.
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I have not seen JFK in quite a few years, and never saw Nixon. I don't really have an opinion on them.
both movies are excellent and you should watch them both
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Dozens more pieces of information about the case here:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SCH404A.html
I am not going to spend my afternoon convincing you that the FBI was involved in the planning and execution of the 1993 WTC attacks. you can find that yourself.
a_joker, I don't know if you're just blind, if it makes you feel safe to blindly follow the govt no matter what, or if you just like to talk without doing research.
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Also this was the reason Clinton fired missles into Afghanistan.
Quit making things up.
Clinton fired 70 cruise missiles in August 1998 at guerrilla training camps in Afghanistan and at a chemical plant in the Sudan reportedly operated by the Saudi multimillionaire Osama bin Laden who was responsible for bombing of two U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed more than 200 people.
Can you please show me where Clinton fired missiles into afghanistan 1993 due to the WTC?
Or did he wait 5 years from the 93 attacks?
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I don't follow anything blindly.
I actually think for myself. There is no real evidence for your opinion and when I ask structural engineers their point of view on your conpiracy., they tell me that the reports are accurate.
I am not a structural enginer and therefor I go by what they say. These engineers are not bound by government agencies, they are active consulting engineers.
However maybe you should ask your self the same question.
Why are you following the advice of other conspirorists blindly?
The opinion of other people with little or no experience in structural engineering are not people that I would follow. I actually think it is foolish to base an opinion from arguements of lay people that argue with experts.
240 - you are right he didn't fire missles into Afghanistan instead he bombed the Iaqi secret service
Investigantion of 1993 terorist attack
http://www.adl.org/learn/jttf/wtcb_jttf.asp (http://www.adl.org/learn/jttf/wtcb_jttf.asp)
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June 27 - U.S. President Bill Clinton orders a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in the Al-Mansur District of Baghdad, in response to the attempted assassination of former U.S. President George H. W. Bush during his visit to Kuwait in mid-April. - Wiki
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I don't follow anything blindly.
I actually think for myself. There is no real evidence for your opinion and when I ask structural engineers their point of view on your conpiracy., they tell me that the reports are accurate.
I am not a structural enginer and therefor I go by what they say. These engineers are not bound by government agencies, they are active consulting engineers.
However maybe you should ask your self the same question.
Why are you following the advice of other conspirorists blindly?
The opinion of other people with little or no experience in structural engineering are not people that I would follow. I actually think it is foolish to base an opinion from arguements of lay people that argue with experts.
Experts on both sides have said opposite things. Yours are oten fueled by govt funding and fear of being ostracized. mine are sometimes fueled by dislike for bush or political views. Can we agree on that much?
A-joker,
There are holes in the 911 story, and this is not my opinion. This is fact. Does a plane that nosedives into the ground spread its debris over 5 square miles? Can a carbon nosecone plane with a diameter of 25 feet drill a perfect hole 16 feet in diameter through 3 reinforced buildings perfectly?
hell, as I type, bush is on tv telling us all about the bin laden tape. Do you think the man on the bin laden confession tape is actually bin laden?
stop following blindly and use your common sense.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/771597/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/771597/posts)