DIRECT QUOTE FROM MILOS>>>
And this is = disgusting...
If IFBB judges can see this actually happening (King beating Dennis) they should be drug tested (or have serious eye exam...)
While Kamali improved DRAMATICALLY in one week and his conditioning was by far the best that he has achieved since his pro debut (GREAT JOB BOB!!!) - there is not a SINGLE aspect of bodybuilding, a single pose, a single muscle...a single - single that Kamali could win over Dennis (except if you are judging darkness of the hair...).
It is SHAME that we have to see something like this still happening on the IFBB stages...
I don't know who this milos is, but I doubt he has the knowledge of experience of the judges there tonight. Who were the judges anyway?Milos Sarcev. You know who it is.
Milos Sarcev. You know who it is.
*hint - 240 was being sarcastic. ::)???
*hint - 240 was being sarcastic. ::)
Milos Sarcev. You know who it is.
DIRECT QUOTE FROM MILOS>>>
And this is = disgusting...
If IFBB judges can see this actually happening (King
beating Dennis) they should be drug tested (or
have serious eye exam...)
While Kamali improved DRAMATICALLY in one
week and his conditioning was by far the best that
he has achieved since his pro debut (GREAT JOB
BOB!!!) - there is not a SINGLE aspect of
bodybuilding, a single pose, a single muscle...a
single - single that Kamali could win over Dennis
(except if you are judging darkness of the hair...).
It is SHAME that we have to see something like this
still happening on the IFBB stages...
Oh, that Milos.??? :P
http://musclememory.com/show.php?s=sarcev&g=M
Musclememory says that he's only done 68 IFBB Pro shows in his career, winning the Canada Pro cup and Toronto pro cup in 1997,
Sounds like this milos probably knows a thing about bodybuilding judging. I guess i was wrong. Do you think he might be right when he said:
Oh, that Milos.
http://musclememory.com/show.php?s=sarcev&g=M
Musclememory says that he's only done 68 IFBB Pro shows in his career, winning the Canada Pro cup and Toronto pro cup in 1997,
Sounds like this milos probably knows a thing about bodybuilding judging. I guess i was wrong. Do you think he might be right when he said:
72 IFBB pro shows...not 68...Dennis needs to work on the execution of his front double bicep pose but I still don't think King took him out in that one either...
And to confirm what I said: it is absolute SHAME that something like this could happen (again and again in the IFBB pro shows).
It is the time for us (public) to start asking judges to give us their official scores and REASONS for decisions they have made...
So, we could possibly start with finding out WHO judged the show and how (and more importantly WHY) they scored each and every round.
If I am a judge I would certainly have no problem elaborating how and why I judged the show and why I have placed certain competitor ahead of the other...
Maybe (just maybe?) judges from the Montreal would have no problem letting us know HOW and WHY they placed Kamali ahead of Wolf...
Bob as the IFBB athletes representative should ASK the athletes if we would like the option to hear the judges giving us their official judging decisions...
After all - it would be very educational for all of us to find out HOW judges think...and what they (really ;)) are looking for...
So if they start with:
#1) V-taper - they could tell us how and why they saw Kamali beating Wolf in this department...
#2) Flat abdomen ---(Kamali beating Wolf ::))...or small waistline...
#3) Aesthetics
#4) Symmetry and balance
#5) Conditioning
#6) 4 Symmetry round poses (one pose going to Kamali's favor would be more than enough...)
#7) 8 Muscularity round poses (also ONE pose that Kamali could beat Wolf would be enough...)
etc
etc
etc
Good point Milos and you have the ability to put it to Bob to garner support for this.The Chickster has said today that he thought King was superior to Wolf and basically everyone who thought otherwise didn't know what they were looking at...
I'd be interested to hear Bob's personal take on this issue (Dennis/Kamali). I have a feeling for professional reasons he will not say much though.
Too much backslapping in this sport. This board doesn't really side with Kamali about anything but the pictures don't lie.
72 IFBB pro shows...not 68...
And to confirm what I said: it is absolute SHAME that something like this could happen (again and again in the IFBB pro shows).
It is the time for us (public) to start asking judges to give us their official scores and REASONS for decisions they have made...
So, we could possibly start with finding out WHO judged the show and how (and more importantly WHY) they scored each and every round.
If I am a judge I would certainly have no problem elaborating how and why I judged the show and why I have placed certain competitor ahead of the other...
Maybe (just maybe?) judges from the Montreal would have no problem letting us know HOW and WHY they placed Kamali ahead of Wolf...
Bob as the IFBB athletes representative should ASK the athletes if we would like the option to hear the judges giving us their official judging decisions...
After all - it would be very educational for all of us to find out HOW judges think...and what they (really ;)) are looking for...
So if they start with:
#1) V-taper - they could tell us how and why they saw Kamali beating Wolf in this department...
#2) Flat abdomen ---(Kamali beating Wolf ::))...or small waistline...
#3) Aesthetics
#4) Symmetry and balance
#5) Conditioning
#6) 4 Symmetry round poses (one pose going to Kamali's favor would be more than enough...)
#7) 8 Muscularity round poses (also ONE pose that Kamali could beat Wolf would be enough...)
etc
etc
etc
The Chickster has said today that he thought King was superior to Wolf and basically everyone who thought otherwise didn't know what they were looking at...
King was improved but his legs were small and smooth and his arms were too weak IMO.
Even if King was sharper than Wolf, which it doesn't really appear he was, does an extra 1% sharpness give you the edge over a guy who kills you on so many bodyparts?
Is THAT what I said?
Please, feel free to quote any of my posts where I say that...
i do think credit needs to go to king for improving yet if the only show in which the judges should be held accountable count yourselfs lucky it shouldnt have to happen but when a l;arge portion of the community qeustion it its a nesscatity
72 IFBB pro shows...not 68...
And to confirm what I said: it is absolute SHAME that something like this could happen (again and again in the IFBB pro shows).
It is the time for us (public) to start asking judges to give us their official scores and REASONS for decisions they have made...
So, we could possibly start with finding out WHO judged the show and how (and more importantly WHY) they scored each and every round.
If I am a judge I would certainly have no problem elaborating how and why I judged the show and why I have placed certain competitor ahead of the other...
Maybe (just maybe?) judges from the Montreal would have no problem letting us know HOW and WHY they placed Kamali ahead of Wolf...
Bob as the IFBB athletes representative should ASK the athletes if we would like the option to hear the judges giving us their official judging decisions...
After all - it would be very educational for all of us to find out HOW judges think...and what they (really ;)) are looking for...
So if they start with:
#1) V-taper - they could tell us how and why they saw Kamali beating Wolf in this department...
#2) Flat abdomen ---(Kamali beating Wolf ::))...or small waistline...
#3) Aesthetics
#4) Symmetry and balance
#5) Conditioning
#6) 4 Symmetry round poses (one pose going to Kamali's favor would be more than enough...)
#7) 8 Muscularity round poses (also ONE pose that Kamali could beat Wolf would be enough...)
etc
etc
etc
kamali is nearly as bad as kovacs
I wouldn't go that far... Kovacs is one of the worst ever.
That said, Kamali is waaaaaaay overrated by the judges. Who knew hype would buy you placings in the IFBB? ::)
Hi Milos Bob ain't going to do crap.Now you see we need the PDI to shake this sport up and sstop this bullshit going on as normal.
...and one more thing: how long do we have to wait until someone will do something about it?
Do we have to wait for a day that Jocelyn beats Ronnie before we say something?
Well?
That just happened in Montreal - so I think it is about the time.
72 IFBB pro shows...not 68...
And to confirm what I said: it is absolute SHAME that something like this could happen (again and again in the IFBB pro shows).
It is the time for us (public) to start asking judges to give us their official scores and REASONS for decisions they have made...
So, we could possibly start with finding out WHO judged the show and how (and more importantly WHY) they scored each and every round.
If I am a judge I would certainly have no problem elaborating how and why I judged the show and why I have placed certain competitor ahead of the other...
Maybe (just maybe?) judges from the Montreal would have no problem letting us know HOW and WHY they placed Kamali ahead of Wolf...
Bob as the IFBB athletes representative should ASK the athletes if we would like the option to hear the judges giving us their official judging decisions...
After all - it would be very educational for all of us to find out HOW judges think...and what they (really ;)) are looking for...
I don't know who this milos is, but I doubt he has the knowledge of experience of the judges there tonight. Who were the judges anyway?
the current mr.O has a huge waist and gutt to match- also very poor midsection- I would like to know why the hell hes still mr.O with a huge gutt and disfigured abs-Good question ??? Also he's got no calves and weak triceps.
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Wolf should have beaten Kamali. There is no doubt there but Wolf looked much worse than at his last competition where he turned pro. I have noticed some judging seems to be based on how they look relative to previous showings, which is obviously stupid.
However, this dramatic worsening of his physique leads me to believe that he must have worked with Milos for his prep. Not even Chad can match Milos' ability to take a solid pro and absolutely maul his physique while charging him outrageous sums. I am sure we can all look forward to a steady decline in both his physique and bank account thanks to Milos and don't forget those awesome 4 week out photos that Milos is quickly becoming famous for. If bodybuilding competitions were held in locker rooms 4 weeks before the expected day of the event Milos' clients would clean up for sure. Well done Milos
bullshit if the pros were that good and in the game long enough they would know what works for their body if milos gave them bad advice and they had a good body why would they accept/seek help of milos or any other pro and wtf has that got to do with the judging any way? the judging sucks what we see as a good body they dont its like they disagree for spite
alot of crying going on - especially be milos cmon- king smoked wolf! want to talk about waistlines- the current mr.O has a huge waist and gutt to match- also very poor midsection- I would like to know why the hell hes still mr.O with a huge gutt and disfigured abs- :'( king actually CAME IN WITH SOME ABS FOR ONCE AND WAS NOT ALL DRUGS LIKE WOLF-
I remember when Markus asked him what was wrong with him in one of the shows...Steve just looked at him and told him: "you are a fat f..k"...
He doesn't go with "cherry on the top" - saying: you are somewhat soft...holding water...a bit off...instead he gets to the point...
Someone told Markus Rhuel he's a fat-fu-k to his face?
Someone told Markus Rhuel he's a fat-fu-k to his face?that is just mean man
that is just mean manyea seems he is an asshole and a dumb one too all his years in the industry and the his form of constructive critisism is callin someone a fat fuck
I gotta agree with Milos on this one , King just does not have the ablity in any condition to beat Wolf, it is a obvious state, not one for debate at a judges tabel, first and foremost Kings Abdomal Bloating should have had him marked down as they promised to start doing 2 years ago, this alone should have had him 3rd or 4th, the head judge should be making sure that this happens , but you can bet your bottom dollar this never happened !!!king had a lot of coverage going into the show because issues him beating wolf have caused all eyes will be wolf and king as a comparasion next time and hopefully this bullshit wont happen again
Lets see.....
Kamali's peers in this business all seem to agree on one thing....
Wolf > Kamali for this contest.
Only person defending Kamali is his best bud who also was given a gift this year.
THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
;D
I totally agree with Milos. This is outrageous, King got a gift, and for what?!?! What's he doing to get such a gift?
Ronnie's critics amuse me. We have such an amazing champion and you can't be happy. Who would you have be Mr. Olympia? Bob Paris? lame
Is THAT what I said?
Please, feel free to quote any of my posts where I say that...
Is THAT what I said?>>>
Please, feel free to quote any of my posts where I say that...
chick as usual avoiding the question.
you still havent responded to any of milos's questions about getting the judges to talk about their decision.
I was at the show.. I will post pics later.
Anyways.. KING got a GIFT! The crowd went nuts.. just booooooooooooooooooooooo oo's all around when Dennis was announced 5th. Just bs. This bs about "paying your dues" crap is a joke. You give the man with the best physique on stage the points they deserve. Period.
Anyways.. been going to show's for over a decade now and it's sad to see this judging out there to this day and in fact getting worse.
Only right-on call was Jackson. Congrats.
? ? ?CHICK WHERE ARE YOU? ? ?
Milos has made some very good points, can you maybe chip in? For the sake of showing these fools how unbias you can are, can you at least tell us who you thought deserved 4th place between Kamali and Wolf? Was Kamali better than Wolf? As someone who sat right up front, I can, honestly, say that no one thought Kamali deserved 4th place. I would have given him either 5th or 6th place, but not 4th.? ? ?CHICK WHERE ARE YOU? ? ?
You would have given him 5th or 6th place?
You are not much better than the judges...
Can you explain how and why would you place him ahead of:
5.Dennis Wolf
6.Mike Aseidu
7.Art Atwood
8.Brian Chamberlain
11.Rodney St. Cloud
12.Joel Stubbs