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Bush pressured to bomb Iran
09/15/2006 12:49 AM | By Patrick Seale, Special to Gulf News
US President George W. Bush is coming under enormous pressure from Israel and from Israel's neocon friends inside and outside the US administration to harden still further his stance towards Iran.
They want the American president to commit himself to bombing Iran if it does not give up its programme of uranium enrichment and to issue a clear ultimatum to Tehran that he is prepared to do so. They argue that mere rhetoric such as Bush's recent diatribe, in which he compared Iran to Al Qaida is not enough and might even be counter-productive, as it might encourage the Iranians to think that America's bark is worse than its bite.
Hardliners in Israel and the United States believe that only military action, or the credible threat of it, will now prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, with all that this would mean in terms of Israel's security and the balance of power in the strategically vital Middle East.
Fears that Bush might succumb to this Israeli and neocon pressure is beginning to cause serious alarm in Moscow, Beijing, Berlin, Paris, Rome and other world capitals where, as if to urge caution on Washington, political leaders are increasingly speaking out in favour of dialogue with Tehran and against the use of military force.
The quickening international debate over Iran's nuclear activities comes at a difficult time for Israel, where Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is fighting for his political life and for that of his ruling Kadima-Labour coalition.
The Iran problem is causing particular concern because it raises fundamental questions about the continued validity of the security doctrine Israel has forged over the past half century. A central plank of this doctrine is that, to be safe, Israel must dominate the region militarily and be stronger than any possible Arab or Muslim coalition.
The doctrine received a severe knock from Israel's inconclusive war in Lebanon, which demonstrated the country's vulnerability to Hezbollah's missiles and to the challenge of "asymmetric" guerrilla warfare.
Israelis especially those living in the more exposed north of the country where up to a million people took refuge in shelters were shocked to discover that the war was being waged on Israel's home territory. All previous wars had been waged on Arab territory alone and this had become something of an axiom for the IDF.
Cause of anxiety
Another cause of anxiety for Israel's right-wing is that Israel is coming under increasing international pressure to negotiate with the Palestinians, with a view to the creation of a Palestinian state. Influential voices are calling for an international conference a sort of Madrid II to re-launch the peace process.
Overcoming the crippling conflict between Hamas and Fatah, the Palestinians themselves are forming a national unity government, which will make it more difficult for Israel to claim that it has "no partner" with whom to negotiate.
Even British Prime Minister Tony Blair, whom the Israelis believed had been firmly co-opted into the US-Israeli camp, has recently called for the economic boycott of the Palestinians to be lifted once the unity government is in place.
This is all very bad news for right-wingers in Israel and their American supporters. They had hoped that the "land-for-peace" formula of UN Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967 had been finally buried. They want to break the Palestinian national movement hence Olmert's unremitting assault on Gaza and the West Bank rather than negotiate a political compromise with it. They want to seize more Palestinian land, not to withdraw to anything like the 1967 borders.
Such is the background to the outcry over Iran's nuclear activities. An Iranian bomb would end Israel's regional monopoly of nuclear weapons. It would force Israel to accept something like a balance of power, or at least a balance of deterrence.
Israelis claim vociferously that an Iranian bomb would pose an "existential threat" to their state. It is not clear whether they believe that Iran might attack them and risk national suicide an Armageddon scenario or simply that they cannot contemplate a Middle East in which they would no longer be overwhelmingly strong, and in which their freedom to attack their neighbours and crush the Palestinians might be circumscribed.
Pre-emptive strike
When it destroyed Iraq's French-built nuclear reactor in 1981, Israel made clear that it would strike pre-emptively against the nuclear programme of any hostile state in the region. The message which it and its friends are now addressing to Bush is that if the US does not bomb Iran, Israel will have to do so.
This was put unambiguously in an article last week by Efraim Inbar, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University and a well-known right-wing Israeli analyst. "Israel," he wrote, "can undertake a limited pre-emptive strike. Israel certainly commands the weaponry, the manpower, and the guts to effectively take out key Iranian nuclear facilities … While less suited to do the job than the United States, the Israeli military is capable of reaching the appropriate targets in Iran. With more to lose than the US if Iran becomes nuclear, Israel has more incentive to strike."
These views are echoed by pro-Israeli writers in the United States, such as Danielle Pletka of the American Enterprise Institute. Ominously she warned Iran, "It is not wise to force America into a choice between doing nothing and doing everything. But it may come to that."
Commentators such as Inbar and Pletka, and many others in America and Israel who share their hardline views, are deeply suspicious of what they see as Iran's duplicity, which they fear has seduced the Europeans. They are outraged by the negotiations which Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, is pursuing with Ali Larijani, Iran's principal nuclear negotiator.
The reported suggestion that Iran might suspend uranium enrichment for a month or two is seen as a trick to divide the UN Security Council and remove the threat of sanctions. They suspect that the international community is edging towards a position of allowing Iran to produce nuclear fuel under International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards. For the hardliners, this would be one step away from tolerating an Iranian bomb in the not too distant future.
Real fear
The real fear of the hardliners is that the US might agree to direct talks with Iran which would legitimise the theocratic regime, vastly increase Iran's stature as the dominant power in the Gulf and eventually downgrade Israel as America's exclusive regional ally.
For Washington's neocons, the battle to shape US policy towards Iran is a crucial test of their dwindling influence. They played a decisive role in persuading the US to make war on Iraq. They clamoured for the destruction of the Hamas government in the Palestinian territories. They gave fervent support to Israel's war on Hezbollah, relentlessly portrayed as a "terrorist movement" and as the armed outpost of Iran.
But the neocons have lost ground in Washington. The war in Iraq has turned into a strategic catastrophe, with another disaster looming in Afghanistan. Anti-Americanism in the Arab and Muslim world is at record levels. Leading neocons such as Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and Lewis Libby have left the administration. For the remaining neocons and their standard-bearer, William Kristol editor of The Weekly Standard losing the argument over Iran could be a terminal blow.
Their ultimate nightmare is that the United States may have to come to rely on Iran to help stabilise the dangerously chaotic situation in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The visit to Tehran this week of Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki is, from their point of view, a ghastly pointer in that direction.
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Patrick Seale is a commentator and author of several books on Middle East affairs.
http://archive.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10067467.html (http://archive.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10067467.html)
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From my thread on Aug 29.
Israeli defense official blasts the US for "not doing enough" to stop Teheran's race to the bomb.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525940706&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Just roll out the B-52s and get this thing over with. :) (Do they even make those anymore?)
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LOL....who should pressure him, level the bastards and "git er dun"!!
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LOL....who should pressure him, level the bastards and "git er dun"!!
Hey they just recently put a grandmother through Basic... That's good news, with the new age requirements you're not limited to only being a getbig board chickenhawk, you can be a part of "git er dun!!" When are you signing up or are you like Nordic, serving a greater purpose ::) My apologies if you already served :-\
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Hey they just recently put a grandmother through Basic... That's good news, with the new age requirements you're not limited to only being a getbig board chickenhawk, you can be a part of "git er dun!!" When are you signing up or are you like Nordic, serving a greater purpose ::) My apologies if you already served :-\
If I was younger and didn't have a son to take care of..........no problem, but for the time being (until he's old enough to go on his own) my job is to take care of him, I trust my Government to keep us safe!
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If I was younger and didn't have a son to take care of..........no problem, but for the time being (until he's old enough to go on his own) my job is to take care of him, I trust my Government to keep us safe!
Right... and none of our troops who will be getting killed, getting er done, while you're cheerleading have sons at home... ::) The President has put this on a par with WWII... His words not mine... How many fathers left their sons at home to fight facism then,... How many now???... I smell SHIT... of the Chicken variety...
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Iran are bigmouth pricks who sent weapons to hezbollah to fight Israel.
The UN announced today that the US is incorrect about our intel on Iran's nuke capability.
Israel has been pressuring us lately to move on iran, which is scary.
There is one thing to consider tho, as you mentioned your son - and I worry about this for my son too- It's estimated that the cost of the Iraqi war, if you total in the longterm health care costs for the wounded, will be about two trillion dollars. most economists will tell you that we're already using defense spending to keep out economy afloat, going deeper into debt to keep normal functions here in the US floating.
Our kids are going to face some seriously troubling financial times. They're not going to live as well as we did. When war ends, there will be a major recession here in the US. But we have to continue borrowing to fight wars, which will continue to devalue the dollar.
Another war in Iran could easily be another $2trillion that our kids have to pay back. You know how I feel about things - I voted for bush twice, and I'd vote for mcCain now, I do want a new 911 investigation, and I hate bedwetting liberals and love justice - but I think a war in Iran would seriously fcuk up our economy for 25 years. in business school, I did a lot of papers on the before, during, and postwar conditions of countries. unless you loot and vanquish, you always borrow to fight and suffer afterwards.
IMO, Israel, or the UN, should handle iran. Let them talk all the trash they want. I'm more worried about our childrens' lives than the rants of a madman on the other side of the earth.
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Right... and none of our troops who will be getting killed, getting er done, while you're cheerleading have sons at home... ::) The President has put this on a par with WWII... His words not mine... How many fathers left their sons at home to fight facism then,... How many now???... I smell SHIT... of the Chicken variety...
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FUCK YOU, I'm 44 and a single father and I am the ONLY one who take care of him..........and another thing you Liberal ASSHOLE, you said you were in the Marines, props to you (I guess) the way you carry on about the Government makes me really wonder how hard you faught for our country.....by the tone of your posts....not very.....when and IF you have kids, you might get it you little fucking WORM....you are not even man enough to take on the responsiblities I have......KISS MY ASS and show your face!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELTDOWN >:(
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f**k YOU, I'm 44 and a single father and I am the ONLY one who take care of him..........and another thing you Liberal ASSHOLE, you said you were in the Marines, props to you (I guess) the way you carry on about the Government makes me really wonder how hard you faught for our country.....by the tone of your posts....not very.....when and IF you have kids, you might get it you little fucking WORM....you are not even man enough to take on the responsiblities I have......KISS MY ASS and show your face!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELTDOWN >:(
Wow... The truth hurts huh... Major Meltdown ;D
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Wow... The truth hurts huh... Major Meltdown ;D
BTW, get your mother off your tag line.....she makes me gag >:(!!
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Wow... The truth hurts huh... Major Meltdown ;D
And to choose between my country and my son......I'll take my son and i don't give a shit who's in office or what war war were fighting!!!!
STILL MELTING DOWN >:(
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Oh and lets get this straight... Mr. Intenseone just loves to make up shit... Nowhere did I claim to have been in combat. I was not. I served in the Marine Corps and I was honorably discharged... In fact the only thing I did say was: " I served in the Marine Corps during the first gulf war, although I was not deployed, I don't remember any fostering of racism" and "I've served my Country in the Marine Corps and I've at LEAST earned the right to fucking voice my opinion without being called anti-American or Unpatriotic... " Why does it not surprise me that you would attack my service at all? I have never done anything but praise all who have served... Boy, it sure goes in line with the candidates you support... They just love to attack men who have served. So I guess it doesn't surprise me that you do too... Not my bag, no matter what the political affiliation or what they did I have the most respect for those serving and who have served honorably. Yet here you are, having not served and calling into question my service... ::)
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Oh and lets get this straight... Mr. Intenseone just loves to make up shit... Nowhere did I claim to have been in combat. I was not. I served in the Marine Corps and I was honorably discharged... In fact the only thing I did say was: " I served in the Marine Corps during the first gulf war, although I was not deployed, I don't remember any fostering of racism" and "I've served my Country in the Marine Corps and I've at LEAST earned the right to fucking voice my opinion without being called anti-American or Unpatriotic... " Why does it not surprise me that you would attack my service at all? I have never done anything but praise all who have served... Boy, it sure goes in line with the candidates you support... They just love to attack men who have served. So I guess it doesn't surprise me that you do too... Not my bag, no matter what the political affiliation or what they did I have the most respect for those serving and who have served honorably. Yet here you are, having not served and calling into question my service... ::)
You "served" under Bush 1, were you drafted..NO, did you volanteer....YES, but you did say "you served" without stating in what capacity, my question is why did you go in? You undermine the Government by your comments and backstab your country, I support the troops 1000% because they protect my and my families ass, they new what they were getting into because most joined after 9/11. Just because you served doesn't mean your a freaking expert and have the right to voice your opinion, let me let you in on a little secret........this entire country has the right to voice it's opinion, thats what make it a great country, but you cannot see through that, but you know what...it's real easy, if you think it's better in the country were fighting against or might be fighting against....by all means go!
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You "served" under Bush 1, were you drafted..NO, did you volanteer....YES, but you did say "you served" without stating in what capacity, my question is why did you go in? You undermine the Government by your comments and backstab your country, I support the troops 1000% because they protect my and my families ass, they new what they were getting into because most joined after 9/11. Just because you served doesn't mean your a freaking expert and have the right to voice your opinion, let me let you in on a little secret........this entire country has the right to voice it's opinion, thats what make it a great country, but you cannot see through that, but you know what...it's real easy, if you think it's better in the country were fighting against or might be fighting against....by all means go!
You're such a clown man... I'll let your statements stand on their own... They're pure bullshit just like you and just like your hero Rush. And let me let you in on a fact... "this entire country has the right to voice it's opinion," is the biggest no shit and no where have I disputed that ::) The only thing I asked for, was not to be called a traitor, which you have again done here. I'm shocked you melted without resorting to pulling that Ex bullshit again... Your ex having me remove comments I made to you because you'll have her arrested if not... ::) Which I stupidly fell for once,... Yea boy... why don't you try that again and see if I give a rats ass on the second shot.
"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on uh ah um duh... shame on you. Fool me ah uh um der oi ahhh.... you can't get fooled again."
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“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.”-- Mark Twain
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f**k YOU, I'm 44 and a single father and I am the ONLY one who take care of him..........and another thing you Liberal ASSHOLE, you said you were in the Marines, props to you (I guess) the way you carry on about the Government makes me really wonder how hard you faught for our country.....by the tone of your posts....not very.....when and IF you have kids, you might get it you little fucking WORM....you are not even man enough to take on the responsiblities I have......KISS MY ASS and show your face!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELTDOWN >:(
No FVCK YOU ASSHOLE!!! That's the position GIJoe was in. If it was good enough for him, why not you?
You remember GiJoe don't you, ...former MOD of the nutrition board? He was a single father sent to Balad for what was supposed to be 6 months? Where is he now? Have you, or any of the other chicken hawks ever even thought of him, ...at least once? You're a horrible, myopic, hypocritical, diseased piece of filth! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I support the troops 1000% because they protect my and my families ass,
That's a bullshit argument that the troops are protecting you & your family. They're not. And that's one of the worst betrayals your government has committed against them. They're getting shot, maimed, crippled and dying to support greedy large corporations who are raping & pillaging other countries, as well as Americans. Go talk to an Iraqi combat vet or one who is over there right now, and ask them what they were really doing over there.
they new what they were getting into because most joined after 9/11.
Bullshit they knew what they were getting into. They were lied to, by useless chickenhawks like you who sold them a package of bullshit cause they have no conscious, or their heads were too far up Bush & Rumsfelds asses to see straight!
Just because you served doesn't mean your a freaking expert and have the right to voice your opinion, let me let you in on a little secret........this entire country has the right to voice it's opinion, thats what make it a great country, but you cannot see through that, but you know what...it's real easy, if you think it's better in the country were fighting against or might be fighting against....by all means go!
That just earned you a nomination for the hypocrite of the year award! What an idiot you are. You preach one thing on the one hand, but then immediately turn around and preach another...Just like your country. Freedom & democracy, sha right, ...but then you turn around and destroy democratically elected governments and assassinate their leaders in favour of dictators who commit mass murder and genocide and wage war against their own citizens.
I will agree with you on one thing... your ex-wife must have been totally psychotic. She would have had to be to have not only married you in the first place, ...and but then to also procreate with you...leaving your genes on the planet? God help her!
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No FVCK YOU ASSHOLE!!! That's the position GIJoe was in. If it was good enough for him, why not you?
You remember GiJoe don't you, ...former MOD of the nutrition board? He was a single father sent to Balad for what was supposed to be 6 months? Where is he now? Have you, or any of the other chicken hawks ever even thought of him, ...at least once? You're a horrible, myopic, hypocritical, diseased piece of filth! >:( >:( >:( >:(
No, I don't remember him, but one question........did he enlist before or after he had his kid??
And BTW, now you know how I feel about lying Liberals like yourself who think everything is a freaking conspiracy when things don't go your way!!!!!!
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Hey they just recently put a grandmother through Basic... That's good news, with the new age requirements you're not limited to only being a getbig board chickenhawk, you can be a part of "git er dun!!" When are you signing up or are you like Nordic, serving a greater purpose ::) My apologies if you already served :-\
none taken if we went to war with iran it wouldnt be smart they are a super power,there wouldnt be any ground troops all fighting done with air strikes.
megga death on both sides no one wants that..never happen imo..
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That's a bullshit argument that the troops are protecting you & your family. They're not. And that's one of the worst betrayals your government has committed against them. They're getting shot, maimed, crippled and dying to support greedy large corporations who are raping & pillaging other countries, as well as Americans. Go talk to an Iraqi combat vet or one who is over there right now, and ask them what they were really doing over there.
I will agree with you on one thing... your ex-wife must have been totally psychotic. She would have had to be to have not only married you in the first place, ...and but then to also procreate with you...leaving your genes on the planet? God help her!
STFU, I have a cousin and a nephew in Iraq right now, one in since the Gulf war and one since 9/11 and see one when he's on leave....and BTW you ijit, if their not helping to protect our country then who is.....was that bash on our troops?? STFU with your conspiracy threories and Liberal rhetoric you vile peice of human trash.....you should hook up with my ex, you two are about on the same wave length........
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Your ex having me remove comments I made to you because you'll have her arrested if not... ::) Which I stupidly fell for once,... Yea boy... why don't you try that again and see if I give a rats ass on the second shot.
WTF are you talking about????????????
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Bush pressured to bomb Iran
09/15/2006 12:49 AM | By Patrick Seale, Special to Gulf News
US President George W. Bush is coming under enormous pressure from Israel and from Israel's neocon friends inside and outside the US administration to harden still further his stance towards Iran.
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Patrick Seale is a commentator and author of several books on Middle East affairs.
http://archive.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10067467.html (http://archive.gulfnews.com/opinion/columns/region/10067467.html)
They have all the means they need to bomb Iran themselves. Let them do their own dirty work for once.
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Just roll out the B-52s and get this thing over with. :) (Do they even make those anymore?)
They have all been retrofitted with the latest avionics. The B52's haven't been made for a long time but they are expected to be in service till 2030. They are workhorses!
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Just roll out the B-52s and get this thing over with. :) (Do they even make those anymore?)
LOL!!!!!
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No, I don't remember him, but one question........did he enlist before or after he had his kid??
I don't know when he enlisted, but I do know his unit as part of the Minnesota Air National Guard was called up.
At the time Sierra was 6 or 7, I believe, and the cutest little thing.
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I don't know when he enlisted, but I do know his unit as part of the Minnesota Air National Guard was called up.
At the time Sierra was 6 or 7, I believe, and the cutest little thing.
To me it makes a huge difference when he enlisted.....if he elisted before his kid was born and was still in, he was obligated to go, if he elisted after his kid was born, IMO, he has more of an obligation to his kid. I think I said if it wasn't for my son I would have went, no questions asked, but to choose between my country and my son.....my son comes first...PERIOD!!
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They have all the means they need to bomb Iran themselves. Let them do their own dirty work for once.
bmac, we always clash on everything, but I think we're in agreement here.
The long-term total cost of the war in Iraq will be $2 trillion.
Do we really want to give our kids another $2 trillion strain on the economy? Let Israel handle that bullshit. I give em the blessing to cook Iran for sending Hez weapons for a war by proxy.
But for real, despite the rhetoric, does anyone really fucking believe Iran would commit complete suicide by attacking the US? Can anyone honestly give any reasoning (well, beside our govt telling us they hate our freedoms) that they would end their lives, their reign, and their country by attacking us?
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To me it makes a huge difference when he enlisted.....if he elisted before his kid was born and was still in, he was obligated to go, if he elisted after his kid was born, IMO, he has more of an obligation to his kid.
I nearly burst into tears when he sent me that photo of him and his daughter. I was horrified at the thought of what this was doing to them, ...but I didn't ask when he enlisted, or if he had considered the possibility of his not coming back because it was a moot point by then. He was already over there.
I think I said if it wasn't for my son I would have went, no questions asked, but to choose between my country and my son.....my son comes first...PERIOD!!
Then I'd like to respectfully submit that YOU and others like you should re-consider some of your rhetoric and/or belief systems vis-a-vis your country, or your son may not have much of a country to grow up in
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You all need to take a deep breath and focus on this for a few minutes then resume with a new found attitude in your hearts.
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I nearly burst into tears when he sent me that photo of him and his daughter. I was horrified at the thought of what this was doing to them, ...but I didn't ask when he enlisted, or if he had considered the possibility of his not coming back because it was a moot point by then. He was already over there.
Then I'd like to respectfully submit that YOU and others like you should re-consider some of your rhetoric and/or belief systems vis-a-vis your country, or your son may not have much of a country to grow up in
If we were not fighting terrorists who have absolutly no reguard for human life then i might agree with you (on somethings) but this is no ordinary war....these people hate us and want to kill us and there is no negotiating with them, it's either we comply with them or nothing....we choose nothing!
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You all need to take a deep breath and focus on this for a few minutes then resume with a new found attitude in your hearts.
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Thats great for me but what about her ;D??
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I choose Scarlett, what matters after that?
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If we were not fighting terrorists who have absolutly no reguard for human life then i might agree with you (on somethings) but this is no ordinary war....these people hate us and want to kill us and there is no negotiating with them, it's either we comply with them or nothing....we choose nothing!
Whose side are you arguing? It's hard to tell by your comment. ;)
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If we were not fighting terrorists who have absolutly no reguard for human life then i might agree with you (on somethings) but this is no ordinary war....these people hate us and want to kill us and there is no negotiating with them, it's either we comply with them or nothing....we choose nothing!
Yes they hate us. yes they want to kill us. I know there are a lot of people who feel that way. Why in the world would we START a war with a country who doesn't like us, because of what they WANT to do?
I am sure N Korea would "like" to kill us. Should we bomb them? Cuba and venez. They talk trash. Should we bomb them too?
For gods sake, what right do we have to kill tens of thousands of people because their leader says bad things about us?
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Thats great for me but what about her ;D??
OMG!!!
I-One and I thought the very same thing! ...The end is near! :-\
C'mon Ozmo, ...let's see a little equality here. Post up a real drool worthy hunk for me. :P
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Whose side are you arguing? It's hard to tell by your comment. ;)
I'm not going to argue with these two sides 8).......
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or these..........
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I'd love to get real LIBERAL with those 2! ;D
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I'd love to get real LIBERAL with those 2! ;D
I'm still waiting for my pic.
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I'm still waiting for my pic.
Here ya go :D...........
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{rotflmao}
brat! >:(
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BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Just roll out the B-52s and get this thing over with. :) (Do they even make those anymore?)
Typical right-wing girl reply, not thinking about the consequences of war. Iran poses no realistic threat to the United States, they're making fuel rods for reactors with like 3 % Uranium 235-content, which is no where near weapons grade.
For who looks down on the opinions of younger members, your logic doesn't seem on par with your age.
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bmac, we always clash on everything, but I think we're in agreement here.
The long-term total cost of the war in Iraq will be $2 trillion.
Do we really want to give our kids another $2 trillion strain on the economy? Let Israel handle that bullshit. I give em the blessing to cook Iran for sending Hez weapons for a war by proxy.
But for real, despite the rhetoric, does anyone really fucking believe Iran would commit complete suicide by attacking the US? Can anyone honestly give any reasoning (well, beside our govt telling us they hate our freedoms) that they would end their lives, their reign, and their country by attacking us?
There are many moderate, educated Iranians. Most are young and cosmopolitan. I bet if we tried hard enough we could work with them. If we bombed them I think all that would be thrown away in a heartbeat.
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There are many moderate, educated Iranians. Most are young and cosmopolitan. I bet if we tried hard enough we could work with them. If we bombed them I think all that would be thrown away in a heartbeat.
And the fact that they've challenged us to a debate is incredible. Bush has the chance to present the evidence he has on Iran's nukes, in front of the world. Sure, the iranian idiot can make all the lies he wants. But if he has no evidence, and bush does, why in the world would we pass that up?
Take the debate. Show him to be guilty of nukes, aiding terrorists. he *says* he has evidence that bush did 911 - but if Bush didn't why would he care what a madman says? Shit, if Bush believes in his position, that our soldiers should die to take out this dictator, surely he'd take this chance to define this position to the world! And what smart leader wouldn't want to at least TRY to resolve things peacefully, before resorting to a war where men will die, right?
Why wouldn't Bush accept this offer? It makes zero sense.
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Why on Earth is it considered a nightmare to rely on Iran to stabilize nearly the entire middle east crisis? If we work with Iran can't we accomplish a plan for peace? Why is it a nightmare for Iran to become recognized as the dominant political body in the middle east? Are they all that bad? They can't be a country made up of delusional mentals, but reasonably (but a little radical) and faithful people who are strict to call "an eye for an eye" on their enemies. And I don't believe they hate freedome and all that load of bullshit propoganda.
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Because it would mean Iranian oil wealth goes to the Iranian people instead of the multi-national oil cos.
For oil men, that's a nightmare!. The last 53 years worth of trying to steal it would be all for nought. :-\
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Typical right-wing pussy reply, not thinking about the consequences of war. Iran poses no realistic threat to the United States, they're making fuel rods for reactors with like 3 % Uranium 235-content, which is no where near weapons grade.
For who looks down on the opinions of younger members, your logic doesn't seem on par with your age.
It was a joke son. ::) I don't look down on anyone. I learn stuff from younger folks all the time, including my kids.
I generally don't learn much from kids who are unable to communicate their ideas without foul language, keep pictures of animals ejaculating into the mouths of others in their avatar, don't have a sense of humor, and disrespect their elders--particularly those serving in combat. But you keep trying and you might be able to teach me something constructive. I'm always open to learning new, positive things.
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I thought that was Pépé le pew smoking a cigarette, ...or did I miss something?
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I thought that was Pépé le pew smoking a cigarette, ...or did I miss something?
You missed the old avatar: one animal ejaculating into the mouth of another.
I like Pépé. :)
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oh that, ...that was only a figment of somebody's dirty imagination.
I preferred to think the bear was squirting a milk bottle from afar. :)
...and why would you prefer Pépé smoking over forest critters being fed? Smoking causes cancer ya know.
Sorry Mark, but we haven't argued yet today. I don't want to upset the delicate balance we've establish. ;)
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oh that, ...that was only a figment of somebody's dirty imagination.
I preferred to think the bear was squirting a milk bottle from afar. :)
...and why would you prefer Pépé smoking over forest critters being fed? Smoking causes cancer ya know.
Sorry Mark, but we haven't argued yet today. I don't want to upset the delicate balance we've establish. ;)
lol. Yeah. Don't want to get into the habit of agreeing with you too often. ;D
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WTF are you talking about????????????
Yea... You don't know.... ::)
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Yea... You don't know.... ::)
I honestly have no idea...whatever is going on between my ex and you is your problem not mine!