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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Royalty on September 16, 2006, 08:07:51 AM
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Markus': Biceps, Delts, Traps, Pecs, Quads, calves, and Back width are even with Ronnies. Ronnie has the edge is over hardness and detail.
If Ruhl is tighter than ever and in the 280-285lb range he is the only guy that is in Ronnies territory
Ronnie and Markus both dwarf Jay
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0065.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0004.jpg)
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I guess it's that time of the year again when you hype Markus ? ;D
No he couldn't beat ronnie
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I guess it's that time of the year again when you hype Markus ? ;D
No he couldn't beat ronnie
this is Markus' back in 2004 when he placed 5th. If he was a touch tighter he would have been 2nd or maybe 3rd.
(http://www.musculatura.ru/olimpia2004/mpre0035-1.jpg)
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Markus': Biceps, Delts, Traps, Pecs, Quads, calves, and Back width are even with Ronnies. Ronnie has the edge is over hardness and detail.
If Ruhl is tighter than ever and in the 280-285lb range he is the only guy that is in Ronnies territory
Ronnie and Markus both dwarf Jay
hahahahahahahahahaha
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Well if Markus get back to his old conditionning, he'll do damage
he didn't look really dry the last few years
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To even suggest Markus, who I believe has only one maybe one pro show is the only BB who can perhaps beat ronnie is mindless. There are about six or seven BB in the world excluding ronnie who would beat Markus right now.
BB is not just about who is the biggest.
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(http://www.bbszene.de/html/mro2004_finals/PA314116.JPG)
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/mro2004_finals/PA314097.JPG)
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Not even close.. he'll never even tough top 3 at the O.
Wake up ;)
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Ruhl has to many structural flaws to take it from Big Ron...He has the size, but the detail and proportions will never be there.....
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Ruhl has to many structural flaws to take it from Big Ron...He has the size, but the detail and proportions will never be there.....
what flaws? Ruhl has no real weak body parts. he just needs to get harder
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Ruhl is too ugly to become weiders poster boy.
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what flaws? Ruhl has no real weak body parts. he just needs to get harder
What Flaws?
Open your eyes. As big as he is, he looks like shit.
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what flaws? Ruhl has no real weak body parts. he just needs to get harder
You can't be serious....Look, I think Ruhl is a monster non-the-less, but he is out of proportion all over...If they ever award quantity over quality than yes he will win, until then...No....
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You can't be serious....Look, I think Ruhl is a monster non-the-less, but he is out of proportion all over...If they ever award quantity over quality than yes he will win, until then...No....
where is he out of proportion? what specific bodyparts do you see that are out of proportion?
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Ruhl is nowhere close to Ronnie in back width. What are you smoking, so I can tell my pothead friends about it?
Ruhl is a huge freak, but his proportions are ALL jacked up. As big as Ronnie is, he does have some aesthetic flow to his physique. Ruhl's physique does not "flow" well at all.
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Ruhl is at best a top 5 guy, but dont be fooled by his sheer mass. He will NEVER be good enough to beat Jay, let alone Ronnie. Markus just isnt put together well enough to beat them, although he does posess mass that even the most hardcore fan has to look twice at to believe it
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Re: Is Markus Ruhl the only guy who can realistically beat Ronnie?
That comment is so far from reality it's incredible. marcus is a big guy, but obvious synthol/oil abuse, very very soft lower body and back and awkwardly odd rounded shoulders that do not change shape when they move. No Marcus can not beat even a 80% Ronnie Coleman. Jay and dexter and victor, Gunther (of course) and possibly others can.
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Ruhl is nowhere close to Ronnie in back width. What are you smoking, so I can tell my pothead friends about it?
Ruhl is a huge freak, but his proportions are ALL jacked up. As big as Ronnie is, he does have some aesthetic flow to his physique. Ruhl's physique does not "flow" well at all.
Markus is the ball park. If Jays back width is getting Close to Ronnies then Markus back is closing in too. Markus' back is wider than Jays.
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I will admit that Markus is a powerhouse, however bb is not just about size. Markus just does not have a pleasing look to his physique. Regardless of how we dress this up BB is about Size, Shape and proportion. Markus has the Size but at the top level falls very short in the other two.
(If you want to talk specific body parts Markus' triceps and Quads are to small for his upper body and is waist is too wide. Shoulders look full of shit as well.)
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Ruhl has a bunch of huge body parts thrown together with no lines present that would have him come anywhere close to the top 3 currently and the new guys coming up have even better structural flow to their physiques...Ruhl will always be a showstopper no doubt, but he will never have the quality to beat structurally perfect bodybuilders....
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dexter and victor, Gunther (of course) and possibly others can.
these guys will have to get past Branch Warren and Gustavo Badell before they can even think about Ronnie
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these guys will have to get past Branch Warren and Gustavo Badell before they can even think about Ronnie
Gustavo Badell needs to watch his waistline....He impressed me at first, but these guys coming up are starting to show amazing conditioning and structure...Branch is a bodybuilder to look out for...But as they say a short guy will never take the current thrown...I would love to see it happen, but that is just a dream LoL.....
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Possibly. I don't think Branch should be up there...he is thick as anything and balanced but, although lean, too blurry and not enough detail. the vascularity means nothing in bodybuilding at all...just means androgens...does NOT get involved in judging physiques and shouldn't. With a bit more size and the same conditioning dexter could be up there. With more conditioning vic can be up there.
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Possibly. I don't think Branch should be up there...he is thick as anything and balanced but, although lean, too blurry and not enough detail. the vascularity means nothing in bodybuilding at all...just means androgens...does NOT get involved in judging physiques and shouldn't. With a bit more size and the same conditioning dexter could be up there. With more conditioning vic can be up there.
Hey brother hate to tell ya this but Dex is already up there...He also has been up there for 2 years now...Vic, I would love to see come in completly dry and clean up the rest of the competition and that is a realistic truth...
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by up there i'm only talking about 2nd or better.
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Gustavo is so gay for checking out their glutes.
(And you are so GAY for realizing that)
LIke Gustavo had a choice in that particular moment....
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by up there i'm only talking about 2nd or better.
He has what it takes and we all know that...Can't help the judging though...As we all seen Kamali place where he deserved to in his last competition... ::)...IFBB judging cannot be wrong right???
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Ruhl could never beat Ronnie.
The only legitimate threat that Ronnie ever had was a Kevin Levrone that actually got his head together and dialed it all in. Of course that never happened.
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Markus': Biceps, Delts, Traps, Pecs, Quads, calves, and Back width are even with Ronnies. Ronnie has the edge is over hardness and detail.
If Ruhl is tighter than ever and in the 280-285lb range he is the only guy that is in Ronnies territory
Ronnie and Markus both dwarf Jay
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0065.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0004.jpg)
dude ruhl is a fuckin monster and its all bodybuilding wants..monster like ruhl and coleman..i think so ruhl does not have any flaws..i really don't see any god damn flaws in ruhl..i am with you dude if ruhl comes in harder its good bye for ronnie..ruhl is big all over and ruhl does have aesthetics to go with his mass..ruhl rulz
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Dillet was the only one in the ballpark, a long time ago.
Making Ruhl look like a punk..Chick off the radar.
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(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0289.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0275.jpg)
come on Royalty - you should know better than to pose such a dumb question...
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markus beat ronnie? please.
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(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0289.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0275.jpg)
come on Royalty - you should know better than to pose such a dumb question...
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markus beat ronnie? please.
who would you say would most likey be able to defeat the champ? Phil Heath? Dexter Jackson? Gunter Schlierkamp? Cutler? Branch Warren? Gustavo? Martinez?
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who would you say would most likey be able to defeat the champ? Phil Heath? Dexter Jackson? Gunter Schlierkamp?
Dexter or Jay could potentially beat Ronnie if he is way off.
However, if he is in shape, there is probably not a pro competing today that could beat him fairly.
remember, its not 1999 anymore 8).
we don't have kevin, shawn, chris and flex waiting to pounce if Ronnie is off.
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Ruhl beats Ronnie on chest, traps and biceps. But Ronnie is sharper and has more quality and thickness, you have to admit that he pumps iron already 10 years longer than Markus.
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10 years from now Ruhl STILL wont be on the level of Ronnie - he will never get there no matter how long and hard he trains. His biceps are better than Ronnies??? Not IMO but everyone is entitled to have one. Chest - yes, traps - not too sure although Ruhls shoulders look much better in the MM pose. But again that is just my opinion
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Markus': Biceps, Delts, Traps, Pecs, Quads, calves, and Back width are even with Ronnies. Ronnie has the edge is over hardness and detail.
If Ruhl is tighter than ever and in the 280-285lb range he is the only guy that is in Ronnies territory
Ronnie and Markus both dwarf Jay
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0065.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04Dutch/Pre/images/FDBE0004.jpg)
LOL look at the difference in midsections. Marcus's look chiseled ronnies look bloated and lumpy.
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Look its not my opinion about Ruhl, but rather what the bodybuilding game is supposed to be about and that is muscle with symmetry...Sorry, Ruhl is a freak of nature but that does not win him top dog or even access to the top 3....He can come in dry and full as hell and still lose to all the structurally perfect bodybuilders coming up and the ones that are there now....
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Ruhl beats Ronnie on chest, traps and biceps. But Ronnie is sharper and has more quality and thickness, you have to admit that he pumps iron already 10 years longer than Markus.
Ruhl beats Ronnie in biceps? You do understand that Ronnies biceps split in two while Ruhl's leak oil :-\
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Ruhl beats Ronnie in biceps? You do understand that Ronnies biceps split in two while Ruhl's leak oil :-\
Wow....can I hear a Ahmen!!!!!
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Ruhl's biceps are larger, but in no way shape or form are they better...
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/47.jpg)
(http://membres.lycos.fr/bodybuilders/bodybuilding/markus_ruhl/mr06.jpg)
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Ruhl's biceps are larger, but in no way shape or form are they better...
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/47.jpg)
(http://membres.lycos.fr/bodybuilders/bodybuilding/markus_ruhl/mr06.jpg)
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Ruhl is too ugly to become weiders poster boy.
Mars is correct.
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he just needs to get harder
I have no real input to add to the discussion, I just wanted to point out how amazed I am that on this board, nobody went for the obvious gay joke here.
That is all.
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I have no real input to add to the discussion, I just wanted to point out how amazed I am that on this board, nobody went for the obvious gay joke here.
That is all.
Because it is a tacit acknowlegment amongst ourselves. Welcome, brother. :D
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(http://ironman.prosolutions.tv/contests/photos/25/IMG_2216_sym.jpg)
never realized how much Ruhl dwarfs Cormier until I saw this pic of the 2003 ASC
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weird angle and Cormier look much smaller than usual there
you can't even compare an in-shape Cormier with Markus
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I dont think Markus will ever beat Jay, Dexter, or Gustavo.... His porportions suffer from excessive drug use, and he is one ugly bastard!!!
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Ronnie looks like Palumboism is just around the corner.
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Ruhl's biceps look like Greg Valentio's biceps
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Ronnie looks like Palumboism is just around the corner.
in which shot?
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If the judging were fair Ruhl would be the only one with a chance. He is the only current pro I have seen who competes with Ronnie on a mass for mass basis.
The idea that his shape is not as good as Ronnie's boggles my mind. Can anyone SPECIFICALLY tell me where Ronnie has better overall shape than Ronnie? Don't give me the insults and I am crazy crap; make a solid argument. I will say ahead that you just can't. Ruhl has an incredible V-taper. Ruhl has huge size and good overall shape.
If Ruhl is in good condition he competes nicely.
Chris
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In a word.... no!
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Marcus can compare favourably with Ronnie size wise, but gets left behind when the shape/muscle bellies are compared... Ronnie isnt the # 1 guy by accident.
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Marcus can compare favourably with Ronnie size wise, but gets left behind when the shape/muscle bellies are compared... Ronnie isnt the # 1 guy by accident.
What muscles? Be specific?
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Can anyone SPECIFICALLY tell me where Ronnie has better overall shape than Ronnie?
What muscles? Be specific?
Lets see, okay:
back, glutes and hams:
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0104.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0061.jpg)
quads and abs:
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0116.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0066.jpg)
arms and taper:
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0089.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0051.jpg)
Lats:
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0112.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0063.jpg)
delts, triceps and chest:
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0122.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/contests/04British/Pre/images/FDBE0070.jpg)
Ruhl has better traps 8)
;D
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there arent too many direct comparisions between ronnie and markus.
but markus looks very close to beating jay at times
(http://www.markus-ruehl.de/uploads/pics/2003a_arnolds4.jpg) (http://www.markus-ruehl.de/uploads/pics/2003a_arnolds3.jpg)
Markus hasnt beaten jay since the 2000 mr olympia but has been very close several times. Markus should have beat Jay at the 2004 ASC and possibly even in 2003 at the ASC.