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I ask because I've never really bought into the 600-gram per day deal. For the last few days tho, I've been out of food and just living on shakes - I mean 2 meals and 4 MRPs a day.
Today, I got into the gym after a layoff of a few days, and I just did not tire. Probably stronger than I have ever been on bench. I was using 225 for reps on flat bench (nice and slow, touching chest everytime), and where I usually wear out at 8 or 9 reps, I just kept going up to 15 reps.
Is this due to the protein? And if so - excuse my simple Qs - what EXACTLY does protein do? Aids in recovery, right?
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The ultra-high protein diet is for chemically-enhanced athletes, because steroids help to increase the protein-turnover rate. If you're training naturally, you only need 1-1.5 grams of protein, spread over 5-6 meals. And yes, it's one of the main proponents in muscle recovery and repair.
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The ultra-high protein diet is for chemically-enhanced athletes, because steroids help to increase the protein-turnover rate. If you're training naturally, you only need 1-1.5 grams of protein, spread over 5-6 meals. And yes, it's one of the main proponents in muscle recovery and repair.
i agree...one of the main benefits of being "on" is increased protein synthesis.
the general rule of thumb would be 1g protein per pound for maintenance and 1.5 is you are trying to build lean muscle tissue.
keep with the protein shakes...3 a day is good...1 post workouk and 1 nighttime shake are a must.
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The ultra-high protein diet is for chemically-enhanced athletes, because steroids help to increase the protein-turnover rate. If you're training naturally, you only need 1-1.5 grams of protein, spread over 5-6 meals. And yes, it's one of the main proponents in muscle recovery and repair.
I've gone as high as 500 grams of protein, but that has only been for a short period of time (4-6 weeks).
Keep in mind that, even if you go that route, it's a gradual thing. You don't go from eating 300-350 grams to 500-600 in one shot. You go up gradually. When I first broke the 240 mark, I went up from 350 to 375 for several weeks, then to 400, 450, and eventually to 500.
And, it was subtle changes: a scoop of protein powder with my weight gainers shakes (first with just the homemade shakes, later with the Mega Mass shakes), going from large eggs to extra large eggs to jumbo eggs, etc.
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100 grams. It's all you need.
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100 grams. It's all you need.
.....if you want to weigh 100 lbs.
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.....if you want to weigh 100 lbs.
its such a joke its not even woth having the discussion.
good luck with 100g protein diet...lol
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.....if you want to weigh 100 lbs.
no you just eat more carbs and fat.
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Continue to suffer cooking and eating plain meat and drinking disgusting shakes every 2 hours, I don't care.
240, pm Adonis, he'll give you a good diet that you will get results each week with.
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no you just eat more carbs and fat.
I ate more protein than that back in high school, when I weighed 142. Yet, now some 90 pounds later, I'm supposed to reduce my protein content, especially considering it took 375-400 grams of protein just to get me over 200 lbs (and I ate more carbs than I do now, just from the weight gainer I used).
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Continue to suffer cooking and eating plain meat and drinking disgusting shakes every 2 hours, I don't care.
240, pm Adonis, he'll give you a good diet that you will get results each week with.
What makes you think I eat "plain meat" and drink "disgusting" shakes? Curry beef and lemon-pepper chicken are two examples of the type of meals I have for lunch. The shakes I was taking back in college were so sweet, I went about 2 years without eating any candy. The ones I take now taste fairly good, especially the chocolate fudge version of MyoPlex.
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i guess the new TA/bast talk got em thinking a little bout the numbers. TA lost a lot of fat eating ice cream. That's incredible.
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rob
did you see the amount of muscle ta lost? he could have come in ten pounds heavier had he eaten the proper amount of protien, i promise. dont listen to the crap bast and ta hype about ice cream and crap. ta fashions himself a new age mike mentzer, a calorie is a calorie, crap.
please understand that no matter how much protien you eat at one sitting, your body can only assimilate about 35-40 grams at a time. if i were you, at 200 pounds, i would take in 350 grams a day to be able to assimilate about 250-300 grams. use slower digesting protiens at night. i would even drink two glasses of water right before bed, and when you wake up and have to pee at night, eat a cup of cottage cheese to get a constant amino drip throughout the night.
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rob
did you see the amount of muscle ta lost? he could have come in ten pounds heavier had he eaten the proper amount of protien, i promise. dont listen to the crap bast and ta hype about ice cream and crap. ta fashions himself a new age mike mentzer, a calorie is a calorie, crap.
please understand that no matter how much protien you eat at one sitting, your body can only assimilate about 35-40 grams at a time. if i were you, at 200 pounds, i would take in 350 grams a day to be able to assimilate about 250-300 grams. use slower digesting protiens at night. i would even drink two glasses of water right before bed, and when you wake up and have to pee at night, eat a cup of cottage cheese to get a constant amino drip throughout the night.
I actaully was heavier this year then when I dieted with about 300-350 grams of protein last year.
I was also a lot leaner too. Just thought you should know that.
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how heavy are you now?
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I ask because I've never really bought into the 600-gram per day deal. For the last few days tho, I've been out of food and just living on shakes - I mean 2 meals and 4 MRPs a day.
Today, I got into the gym after a layoff of a few days, and I just did not tire. Probably stronger than I have ever been on bench. I was using 225 for reps on flat bench (nice and slow, touching chest everytime), and where I usually wear out at 8 or 9 reps, I just kept going up to 15 reps.
Is this due to the protein? And if so - excuse my simple Qs - what EXACTLY does protein do? Aids in recovery, right?
Yes it will aid in recovery, but your strength could have just as easily been from the layoff. I wouldn't focus so much on shakes. For me 200 grm of protein from solid food is a better option than 200 grms from shakes. That being said 2 shakes a day sounds about right, post workout and before bed or post workout and first thing in the morning. Try keeping your intake high from solid foods and throw in a scoop or two here and there throughout the day when you need it most.
Also remember to vary your protein sources - I usually have protein from chicken, tuna, almonds, in addition to shakes almost every day...
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much more than 1-1.grams pp of body weight is a waste for a natural. the extra will end up around your waist and in the toilet. 200 per day in 5 or 6 meals is plenty.
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In my experience, if you expand six feedings to ten and include night time protein (liver tabs and/or aminos and/or low fat cottage cheese) up to 300g per day can be taken in by a 200 lb individual without adeverse affects on body fat composition.
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I ate more protein than that back in high school, when I weighed 142. Yet, now some 90 pounds later, I'm supposed to reduce my protein content, especially considering it took 375-400 grams of protein just to get me over 200 lbs (and I ate more carbs than I do now, just from the weight gainer I used).
Yes if you want to lose that 90lbs of fat that you have gained since high school you will need to stop forcing yourself to consume mass quantities of protein powders and dried up chicken breast. Do you think you can make that kind of sacrifice? Here's an incentive: you will be able to see your penis without the aid of a mirror.
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2. Reasoning
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Figuring 0.82 g per lb bodyweight (google "Dr. Peter Lemon, protein") then 164 grams of protein per day should be sufficient to build mass...if calories are high, above maintenance. Eating a bit more protein probably wouldn't hurt, say up to 200 grams. The recommendations for 2g or higher per lb bodyweight are extreme, IMO, and will probably just make one's wallet lighter. ^_^
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Figuring 0.82 g per lb bodyweight (google "Dr. Peter Lemon, protein") then 164 grams of protein per day should be sufficient to build mass...if calories are high, above maintenance. Eating a bit more protein probably wouldn't hurt, say up to 200 grams. The recommendations for 2g or higher per lb bodyweight are extreme, IMO, and will probably just make one's wallet lighter. ^_^
240... all these posters are throwing around the "1g-1.5g" of protein per pound of bodyweight... the actual amount you need is 1g-1.5g per pound of LEAN bodyweight...
for example, if you weight 200lbs at 16% BF you would need a maximum of 252g of protein per day. you are better off filling the rest of your daily calories with healthy fats and complex carbs
while the TA diet (eating shit while restricting calories) might lead to fat loss it WILL NOT MAKE YOU HEALTHY.... in fact i think it will lead to severe health issues in the future including high blood pressure, type II diabetes and high cholesterol...
anyway... that's my opinion
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240... all these posters are throwing around the "1g-1.5g" of protein per pound of bodyweight... the actual amount you need is 1g-1.5g per pound of LEAN bodyweight...
True..
I have other (governments) studies who recommend about 1,4 to 1,7 g a kilo, but the test was conducted with endurance-athletes.
1 gram each lbs sounds enough.
The stupidous advices that tell you to use well over 2 grams each pounds is a waste of time. If you don't eat enough carbohydrates, you will burn protein.
The funny thing is that if it breaks down it acts partially as a fat. The reason why high-protein diets make you burn extra fat.
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Yes if you want to lose that 90lbs of fat that you have gained since high school you will need to stop forcing yourself to consume mass quantities of protein powders and dried up chicken breast. Do you think you can make that kind of sacrifice? Here's an incentive: you will be able to see your penis without the aid of a mirror.
I DON'T THINK SO! Perhaps, you should tell my abdominals that there's 90 lbs of fat on my body. I'm not ripped at this bodyweight. But, I've NEVER had anywhere near that much fat on me at any time in my life.
The simple fact is I know how much protein my body needs. And, when I get that much protein, I get the results I want, which is why I don't blubber about being a "hardgainer".
It's much easier to find some study that says you need low amounts of protein or bleat and whine about higher protein intake being for people using anabolics. You guys keep it up, while I ingest the groceries and get the gains I desire.
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Perhaps, you should tell my abdominals that there's 90 lbs of fat on my body. I'm not ripped at this bodyweight.
I'd be happy to pass the message along just as soon as I find your abs.
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I'd be happy to pass the message along just as soon as I find your abs.
Nice try, truncating my post to take your pot-shot. You do realize that you can have visible abs without being ripped to the bone.
Now, the question was how many grams of protein do you need if you weigh 200 lbs. Since I happen to weigh well over that mark (230), I can give a good answer.
I would say at a minimum 1 lb. per pound of bodweight (overall, not just lean bodyweight). The reason is simple: If you're an ectomorph, like me, it's much better to err on the side of MORE protein than less.
Also, you must take into consideration your age. I've been at this weight when I was in my 20s. Now, I'm in my 30s. I have found that I do not need as many calories or as much protein now as I did 10 years ago. Back in the day, I would have pushed the marked more towards 2 grams per pound of bodyweight. Now, I'm between 1 and 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.
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Nice try, truncating my post to take your pot-shot. You do realize that you can have visible abs without being ripped to the bone.
Now, the question was how many grams of protein do you need if you weigh 200 lbs. Since I happen to weigh well over that mark (230), I can give a good answer.
I would say at a minimum 1 lb. per pound of bodweight (overall, not just lean bodyweight). The reason is simple: If you're an ectomorph, like me, it's much better to err on the side of MORE protein than less.
Also, you must take into consideration your age. I've been at this weight when I was in my 20s. Now, I'm in my 30s. I have found that I do not need as many calories or as much protein now as I did 10 years ago. Back in the day, I would have pushed the marked more towards 2 grams per pound of bodyweight. Now, I'm between 1 and 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.
awesome keep it up. Don't be discouraged by your ever increasing fat stores. Morbid obesity is just the start, one day you can be mega obese. Just stick with your diet and don't pay attention to the mirror.
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i would say 1 gram per pound is the general rule of thumb.
i have read that you only need .8-1.2 per lbs of muscle. so say at 200 you are 20% BF you would need 144-216 grams of protein a day. i would say spread to at least 5 meals a day.
from what i have read/heard protein breaks down into amino acids and AA are the building blocks of muscle. they help repair tissue damage. this is why people say to drink a shake after working out because your body can assimilate the whey faster thus increasing your potential for recovery.
but what do i know?
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but what do i know?
(nothing)
Rob 100g is more than enough for someone your size really 75 would be fine.
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awesome keep it up. Don't be discouraged by your ever increasing fat stores. Morbid obesity is just the start, one day you can be mega obese. Just stick with your diet and don't pay attention to the mirror.
I will stick with my diet, as it's helping get bigger, stronger, and leaner (according to the mirror to which you erroneously claim I pay no attention).
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i would say 1 gram per pound is the general rule of thumb.
i have read that you only need .8-1.2 per lbs of muscle. so say at 200 you are 20% BF you would need 144-216 grams of protein a day. i would say spread to at least 5 meals a day.
from what i have read/heard protein breaks down into amino acids and AA are the building blocks of muscle. they help repair tissue damage. this is why people say to drink a shake after working out because your body can assimilate the whey faster thus increasing your potential for recovery.
but what do i know?
And in the event that you don't grow from that, then what do you do: Declare yourself a hardgainer, or increase your calories and protein, until you get bigger and stronger?
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talk to any nutrition expert who isnt' trying to sell you a protien product and they will tell you 1 gram per bw is the biggest joke ever
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talk to any nutrition expert who isnt' trying to sell you a protien product and they will tell you 1 gram per bw is the biggest joke ever
I agree! The intake, especially for ectomorphic "hardgainers", should be higher. As for the nutritional experts, as one magazine writer put it, the average one of them can't bench press a bologna sandwich.
Those who don't want to intake high amounts of protein will search the four corners of the earth to find some "expert" who agrees with them. The late Mike Mentzer was/is a preacher for the "you don't need that much protein" choir.
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if you're serious about working out and train on a regular basis 1 gram per every two lbs of bodyweight i feel is enough...and to gain weight and size 1 gram per pound for quicker results..problem is that whatever protien you DON'T use will turn to fat! :-\
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if you're serious about working out and train on a regular basis 1 gram per every two lbs of bodyweight i feel is enough...and to gain weight and size 1 gram per pound for quicker results..problem is that whatever protien you DON'T use will turn to fat! :-\
If you're one of those ectomorphs or "hardgainers", that should be the LEAST of your concerns. It took me well over 300 grams of protein, just to get my bodyweight to 200 lbs. back when I was in college.
The "1 gram per pound of bodyweight" is a good baseline to start. But, that number is not etched in stone. If that amount doesn't get the job done, increase the calories and protein (I'd start with an extra 500 calories and 25-50 grams of protein).
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We don't process 500g of pro. BUT---we get an IGF-1 response to the high levels. Simple as that. If you go the 100g route some will respond with their good genes and look great, but not most. Consumming large amounts of pro. goes way back to the gladiators, if they were just making something up that didn't work you would think nobody would do it anymore, well guess what--it works. I've taken college level nutrition and they don't teach it. Only at PhD level do they go into that deep research. 100g/day for bodybuilders is stupid unless medically required. 1gperBW when natty, 3-5g for juice. I love when med research catches up to what we have know for a long time.
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if you're serious about working out and train on a regular basis 1 gram per every two lbs of bodyweight i feel is enough...and to gain weight and size 1 gram per pound for quicker results..problem is that whatever protien you DON'T use will turn to fat! :-\
yup calories are counter productive
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Sorry, 100g/day is ok IF --you are a female that weighs 100lbs. Like everybody agrees watch the overall kcal but make room for that protein.