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Don't buy into the "Word on the street is that..."
See for yourself:
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Ronnie Wins...
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am i seeing things
anyone else notice that his right lat looks messed up in the front poses
and in the back poses its his left lat and tris look smaller...what gives
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Jays got it locked from the back.
But will colemans arms pull a number 9 win for him?
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Ronnie is worlds ahead of Jay in dryness.
In order for Jay to win, he'd have to win CONVINCINGLY.
A few people who gain from the webcast sales, or live to suck IFBB teet will spend the day hyping the event for all its worth. But bottom line is that Ronnie, while not his best, is just the better guy out of those two.
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Coleman wins. In those pics, they both appear a little blurry/watery/off. Jay gets crushed in that front-double-bicep shot.
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Nice 240!
....and Ronnie get's Sandow #9. No way can you beat a reigning champ who's in better condition than you are!
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Nice 240!
....and Ronnie get's Sandow #9. No way can you beat a reigning champ who's in better condition than you are!
Yep. Jay's just carrying 2 more pounds of water that coleman isn't, and there's no way jay will ever have the vascularity of king ron.
Jay might spend the night in a sauna to come in dryer, but chances are Ronnie is doing the same.
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Jay will go home with the Sandow tonight. Mark my words . D
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But bottom line is that Ronnie, while not his best, is just the better guy out of those two.
Are you saying Ronnie's not the best of all the competitors? If so I agree and can think of at least 3 if not 4 that are better in my opinion.
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Great job Rob....neither man is at his best here, but Ronnie clearly has more than enough to beat Jay....Jay just has no detail at all through his arms, delts and chest....Jay's lower back is not nearly tight enough either and what the heck has he done to his abs?
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Jay wins it.
Btw Ronnie is closer to the camers in these pics
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Don't buy into the "Word on the street is that..."
See for yourself:
Click HERE for comparison gallery (http://fallshineband.com/f/1.htm)
(http://fallshineband.com/f/lll.jpg) (http://fallshineband.com/f/1.htm)
WTF???? Why is Jay coming into the Olympia looking so fucking smooth???? This is worse than last year!!!!! What the fuck is he eating????? He just doesn't have that hard-rock look to him as Ronnie does...................
Man.....I think jay beats him in too poses and that's it........he has hardly any vascularity going from the front.
Damn....!!
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I cant say anything.
Ronnie won front and Cutler won back.
Apple and Orange.
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Jay will go home with the Sandow tonight. Mark my words . D
Why do you think so??
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Wrong, Ronnie dominates from the front and wins the side shots. His back, although a shadow of its former self, is enough to still win him the title. The guy to beat is Vic Martinez next year. Jay looked miles better last year. He has zero detail and vascularity. Danny, Jay will win the Mr. Olympia once Ossama Bin Laden makes peace with the Jews and the US.
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Why do you think so??
Because he is an idiot.
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I got Jay winning or coming close on the two back poses.
How can anyone believe for a moment that he comes close to king ron on most muscul, front dbl biceps, side chest, fronts lat spread...
jay would have to come in and completely CRUSH Ronnie to win it. We hear the same chitchat every year "The buzz on the street is that Cutler is close!". First, let's see the scoresheet that says this. Second, tell us which poses Jay won.
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Thanks fro doing that 240 . . . It clearly shows that Ronnie has number 9 in the bag. Ronnie has also stated ( at the press show ) that he was not calling it quits, I'd say he's got 10 and with no injuries 11, 12, etc.
If Chad does his job today, Ronnie will light everyones ass up!
The Beef
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Because he is an idiot.
LOL!! ;D
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no prob. I think flexonline should do these automatically... however it does take away the mystery of it all. On the low quality webcast, jay looks big and you notice ronnie's gut more.
But posed side by side, high quality pics, Coleman clearly has much sicker muscularity
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Nice job with the photos 240. Do you have any shots of any Asian hookers with boob jobs? Thanks in advance.
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Nice job with the photos 240. Do you have any shots of any Asian hookers with boob jobs? Thanks in advance.
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being vascular doesnt translate to being ripped really.
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being vascular doesnt translate to being ripped really.
true, but jay had neither last night. I am sure he's looking at the pics and doing everything he can to dry out for tonight.
Will he resort to even more[/b] diuretics?
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It's not an issue of which drugs to take, it's genetic, his genetics simply wont allow him to get hard like Dorian and Ronnie
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Female hookers!! ;D
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Clearly age , injuries, and receptors are catching up to Ronnie. Not any other bodybuilders. That one lat is torn, one tri down........
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Very cool of you to put that together 240, and a nice job too.
Ronnie kills Jay. I don't even think it's close. Matter of fact, I'd put Jay in 5th place. I know I'll get torched here for saying that, but if you really look at Ronnie, Dex, Vic, Melvin, and Jay it is the only conclusion one could reach IMO. Never thought I'd say that about Vic and Mel either
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Very cool of you to put that together 240, and a nice job too.
Ronnie kills Jay. I don't even think it's close. Matter of fact, I'd put Jay in 5th place. I know I'll get torched here for saying that, but if you really look at Ronnie, Dex, Vic, Melvin, and Jay it is the only conclusion one could reach IMO. Never thought I'd say that about Vic and Mel either
You are an idiot.
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Wow, after seeing those pictures I don't know what to say. They both look like garbage. I finally see what they are saying about the lats. I already seen the triceps. Ronnie back has become a liability. If Ronnie wins it will be barely. He no longer dominates from the back but he is still dominant from the front. I would hang it up if I were him. It's been a great run but those pictures say alot.
BTW if I was drunk I'd bang that Sasha thing. ;D
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true, but jay had neither last night. I am sure he's looking at the pics and doing everything he can to dry out for tonight.
Will he resort to even more[/b] diuretics?
I still dont know if he is dry or not. Look at the hams and glutes. They are in good condition.Back also.
When Jay is not in shape, these areas has water retention at first in his body.
You guys look at his smooth arms and say he retain water. But, Jay has never had hard arms in his life and it is genetic.
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Ronnie is worlds ahead of Jay in dryness.
...don't know how you can say that, as I'd say Jay is just as dry, if not dryer! Jay's lacking in some pec depth...but Coleman has those naturally ripped arms, forearms....plus quads. But Jay certainly is up there, muscle for muscle!...it's too bad that Jay looks like he just went hell bent for size, as it doesn't flow at his current size. But he's VERY close to Coleman in every regard, and better I'd say!
But Ron will win, of course.
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I got Jay winning or coming close on the two back poses.
How can anyone believe for a moment that he comes close to king ron on most muscul, front dbl biceps, side chest, fronts lat spread...
jay would have to come in and completely CRUSH Ronnie to win it. We hear the same chitchat every year "The buzz on the street is that Cutler is close!". First, let's see the scoresheet that says this. Second, tell us which poses Jay won.
Very true. The hype is just for the BB fans and to try to sell tix...that's it. Contest for 1st place has been over since the first 5 minutes of pre judge yesterday, and that is a fact. jay should be 4th place tonight and that is the truth.
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(http://fallshineband.com/f/jfr.jpg) (http://fallshineband.com/f/rfr.jpg)
AS far as dryness, grainier...Ronnie...240 is right, and im a big Cutler fan...too!
(http://fallshineband.com/f/jfls.jpg) (http://fallshineband.com/f/rfls.jpg)
Im no expert, as most of you arent- but in the F lat spread, you see Jays legs are more defined, but Ronnies are bigger, Veinier, and granier...so how would you judge that? Who would have the edge.? as you see its personal perspective of the judging panel.
(http://fallshineband.com/f/jbdb.jpg) (http://fallshineband.com/f/rrdb.jpg)
Jay all the way. Who would of thought, Jay would catch up and beat Ronnie from the back..wow just wow....
This is why Follks its even, with some saying Jay slightly ahead..but Ronnie is alot drier, for sure it seems.
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Ronnie is naturally more vascular than Jay in the upper body. It's just jenetics, but clearly an advantage.
Jay has as much separation and dryness in the upper body and definitely more so in the legs. Just as importantly, and despite his naturaly wide waist, Jay actually has better shape and is showing a better V-taper than Ronnie this year. Jay also has better proportions and balance of muscles, especially between his quads and calves and lower and upper body.
Ronnie, depsite a more vascular upper body, looks bloated, his mid section and back (especially in rear double bi) seem to be holding water and look blurry and his quads look smooth.
Cutler should win this over Ronnie pretty easily, but knowing how the judging goes in the "O" Ronnie will probably be given the title again.
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true, but jay had neither last night. I am sure he's looking at the pics and doing everything he can to dry out for tonight.
Will he resort to even more[/b] diuretics?
The show is over regardless of what the promoters what you to believe....never has a mr o been decided at the night show. same with a class winner at the nationals...come back to the night show at least 90% of what you peaked at and the placeings are the same.
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If i've learned anything over the years, it's never judge a show by the PHOTOS.............. unless your sitting in the first 2-3 rows at the show (Like the judges are), you'll never know who really deserves to be the winner. I've seen photos of guys out of shape who looked great in the pictures-- its amazing! Plus, photos do NOT depict stage presentation and polish.......
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If i've learned anything over the years, it's never judge a show by the PHOTOS.............. unless your sitting in the first 2-3 rows at the show (Like the judges are), you'll never know who really deserves to be the winner. I've seen photos of guys out of shape who looked great in the pictures-- its amazing! Plus, photos do NOT depict stage presentation and polish.......
Extremely Good post
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If i've learned anything over the years, it's never judge a show by the PHOTOS.............. unless your sitting in the first 2-3 rows at the show (Like the judges are), you'll never know who really deserves to be the winner. I've seen photos of guys out of shape who looked great in the pictures-- its amazing! Plus, photos do NOT depict stage presentation and polish.......
Thats true Dave.
Who do you think should win?
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If i've learned anything over the years, it's never judge a show by the PHOTOS.............. unless your sitting in the first 2-3 rows at the show (Like the judges are), you'll never know who really deserves to be the winner. I've seen photos of guys out of shape who looked great in the pictures-- its amazing! Plus, photos do NOT depict stage presentation and polish.......
With all due respect Dave (and I already read on MD that you have Jay ahead) why are we always told not to believe the photos only when it's obvious to most that someone is being given a gift....ala Sherry Tamali???
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I respect Dave's opinion, he knows his stuff, BUT no way jay should beat Ronnie.....dex and vic should be 2nd and 3rd.
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If i've learned anything over the years, it's never judge a show by the PHOTOS.............. unless your sitting in the first 2-3 rows at the show (Like the judges are), you'll never know who really deserves to be the winner. I've seen photos of guys out of shape who looked great in the pictures-- its amazing! Plus, photos do NOT depict stage presentation and polish.......
So true!
I was at the 1997 Olympia when Dorian supposedly had a "controversial" win. Theyn phots may have made it look controversial yet there was np doubt about him when if you were there in person.
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Palumbo and Flex Wheeler are MD buddies.
Any chance that Dave's nonstop bumps on all the boards today are just a ploy to get us to sign up for his friend's overbogged webcast?
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Palumbo and Flex Wheeler are MD buddies.
Any chance that Dave's nonstop bumps on all the boards today are just a ploy to get us to sign up for his friend's overbogged webcast?
Is this a trick question? ??? lol
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You are an idiot.
That's cool, at least I form my own opinions instead of jumping on the Jay Cutler Nuthuggers Magical Mystery Ride tour. This is the worst Jay I have seen. Best back he's ever had, but he has ruined his physique. Go back and look at his early career. It is a shame. I am not slamming him as a person, cuz he's a great dude....it's more about the sport and what it has caused him to do.
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Geez, Ronnies physique is hideous, huge beyond belief, but absolutely hideous!
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Thanks for the comparison gallery, 240 is Back. 8)
Man, I really hope Jays takes it home.
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Even better - choose 2 guys and the pose - instant comparison!
http://mr-olympia-2006.ronnie.cz/callouts/index.php
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Even better - choose 2 guys and the pose - instant comparison!
http://mr-olympia-2006.ronnie.cz/callouts/index.php
Sweet! Right on! 8)
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Great job with the madatory comparisons. Ronnie is clearly much harder than Jay. Ronnie seriously makes jay look like an amateur... Size wise it's not even close, hardness isn't evn close. take a look at the inside of jay's arms in the double arms up...they aren't even separated. Do not ever use synthol, you won't get back that detail no matter what. In the side tri, jay doesn't show any real striation...this is the top call out at the #1 bb show in the world. From the back jay looks good, glutes are better than ever, hams look good as does his back., the double bi (back) is basically even, Ronnies lower half and i will say jay has good density in the back so I'll call it even. The lat spread jay may be better today, just because of a scapula problem with Ronnie, NOT because of condition or anything like that. Ronnie did not tear a lat, it is clearly a scapula rotation problem. Maybe a slightly winged scapula or rhomboid problem, but not a lat or terrus major tear. Ronnie is the CLEAR CUT WINNER.
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Jay beat Ronnie on size last night, tonight he will beat him on conditioning.
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Great job with the madatory comparisons. Ronnie is clearly much harder than Jay. Ronnie seriously makes jay look like an amateur... Size wise it's not even close, hardness isn't evn close. take a look at the inside of jay's arms in the double arms up...they aren't even separated. Do not ever use synthol, you won't get back that detail no matter what. In the side tri, jay doesn't show any real striation...this is the top call out at the #1 bb show in the world. From the back jay looks good, glutes . are better than ever, hams look good as does his back., the double bi (back) is basically even, Ronnies lower half and i will say jay has good density in the back so I'll call it even. The lat spread jay may be better today, just because of a scapula problem with Ronnie, NOT because of condition or anything like that. Ronnie did not tear a lat, it is clearly a scapula rotation problem. Maybe a slightly winged scapula or rhomboid problem, but not a lat or terrus major tear. Ronnie is the CLEAR CUT WINNER.
nobody agrees with you. Not even Hulkster..
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Great job with the madatory comparisons. Ronnie is clearly much harder than Jay. Ronnie seriously makes jay look like an amateur... Size wise it's not even close, hardness isn't evn close. take a look at the inside of jay's arms in the double arms up...they aren't even separated. Do not ever use synthol, you won't get back that detail no matter what. In the side tri, jay doesn't show any real striation...this is the top call out at the #1 bb show in the world. From the back jay looks good, glutes are better than ever, hams look good as does his back., the double bi (back) is basically even, Ronnies lower half and i will say jay has good density in the back so I'll call it even. The lat spread jay may be better today, just because of a scapula problem with Ronnie, NOT because of condition or anything like that. Ronnie did not tear a lat, it is clearly a scapula rotation problem. Maybe a slightly winged scapula or rhomboid problem, but not a lat or terrus major tear. Ronnie is the CLEAR CUT WINNER.
haha blatent idiot
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I don't know who hulster is, but it's not important for anyone to agree with me, it's a statement. If you have as much experience as me and developed the same caliber physique than your opinion would matter.
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lights out kiddies, 240 can spin it any way he wants but jay smoked ronnies ass last night! shit back and shit triceps= loser!
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Those loose skin folds all over Jay's lower back are not a Christmas Tree. >:(
Good lower back development has always been a tie-breaker for experienced judges.
Ronnie will win again.
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Those loose skin folds all over Jay's lower back are not a Christmas Tree. >:(
Good lower back development has always been a tie-breaker for experienced judges.
Ronnie will win again.
better to have skin fiolds then a missing chunk of meat lol foooool! ;D
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Jay wins
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Those loose skin folds all over Jay's lower back are not a Christmas Tree. >:(
Good lower back development has always been a tie-breaker for experienced judges.
Ronnie will win again.
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better to have skin fiolds then a missing chunk of meat lol foooool! ;D
haha
Jay fans are owning Ronnie fans, magnificently!
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Jay wins!!
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haha
Jay fans are owning Ronnie fans, magnificently!
All you have to do is post a picture. Here let me give you a few Kieth.... Please take it easy. Poor guys have had enough watching Ronnie get owned on his signature pose!
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Jay didn't beat Ronnie in the back pose, injuries beat Ronnie in the back pose. Ronnie has possessed a back in a league that Jay will never come in sniffing distance of. Of course, tonight is a moot issue as obviously Coleman is battling wounded.
Jay is just too smooth to be considered for the title. And his color looks like crap.
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Ronnie's biceps look fantastic but if you look at the whole picture , Jay is better, better V- taper, better mid section , better balance and transition from the upper body to lower...Ronnie's body looks very interesting to say the least, you have his one of a kind arms,then , chest is ok , mid -section really fukked up and then good legs... :'( simple like that. D
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cutler look's great,coleman's hardness and muscularity is still so evident.i don't think cutler can do anything more drastic to crush coleman,if and when coleman quit's then maybe,by then cutler could call it quit's.the olympia is a big man's show and still a two man show.
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Yep. Jay's just carrying 2 more pounds of water that coleman isn't, and there's no way jay will ever have the vascularity of king ron.
Jay might spend the night in a sauna to come in dryer, but chances are Ronnie is doing the same.
Two more pounds huh? Thats amazing! ::)
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The biggest difference is the pic where they are both standing relaxed (front shot)--Ronnie clearly is better, but...
Jay wins with the more impressive back.......
Also From the back, Jay's legs win-----lots of detail in the thighs, and great calves (notice the split in his calf muscle)------Ronnie has no split-----even though Jay wins from the back----Ronnies thighs look pretty damn good----they look huge from the back.
From the Front-----Jay wins in legs--just too much separation to ignore---plus his calves are second to none.
Front double biceps Ronnie wins
Front lat spread---they both lose-----where did Ronnies neck dissappear to ? Jays neck is almost missing too----they both just look so awkward
Front abdominals-------both losers-----but I might give the edge to Ronnie----jay has funky looking abdominals---and when he puts his hands behing his head for this pose, he loses his front v-taper quite a bit (just like Gunter too), at least Ronnie still has a sweep to his front lats.
Side chest---Ronnie wins
Ya know, maybe they both should be battling it out for 4th or 5th place------they both have some funky things going on with their physiques !!!
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haha
Jay fans are owning Ronnie fans, magnificently!
Saving energies to bash you tonight when Ronnie takes #9! ;D
and 240 will take your 100$
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Jay didn't beat Ronnie in the back pose, injuries beat Ronnie in the back pose. Ronnie has possessed a back in a league that Jay will never come in sniffing distance of. Of course, tonight is a moot issue as obviously Coleman is battling wounded.
Jay is just too smooth to be considered for the title. And his color looks like crap.
agreed that Jay's back will never ever come close to Ronnie's back when it was at its best.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90805.0;attach=98361;image)
unfortunately, its not at its best tonight.