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New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« on: November 07, 2006, 05:26:23 PM »
New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice

By DAMIEN CAVE
Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

Under the rule being considered by the city’s Board of Health, which is likely to be adopted soon, people born in the city would be able to change the documented sex on their birth certificates by providing affidavits from a doctor and a mental health professional laying out why their patients should be considered members of the opposite sex, and asserting that their proposed change would be permanent.

Applicants would have to have changed their name and shown that they had lived in their adopted gender for at least two years, but there would be no explicit medical requirements.

“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner. “Somebody with a beard may have had breast-implant surgery. It’s the permanence of the transition that matters most.”

If approved, the new rule would put New York at the forefront of efforts to redefine gender. A handful of states do not require surgery for such birth certificate changes, but in some of those cases patients are still not allowed to make the change without showing a physiological shift to the opposite gender.

In New York, the proposed change comes after four years of discussion among health officials, an eight-member panel of transgender experts and vital records offices nationwide. It is an outgrowth of the transgender community’s push to recognize that some people may not have money to get a sex-change operation, while others may not feel the need to undergo the procedure and are simply defining themselves as members of the opposite sex. While it may be a radical notion elsewhere, New York City has often tolerated such blurring of the lines of gender identity...And the proposal reflects how the transgender movement has become politically potent beyond its small numbers, having roots in the muscular politics of the city’s gay rights movement.

Transgender advocates consider the New York proposal an overdue bulwark against discrimination that recognizes an emerging shift away from viewing gender as simply the sum of one’s physical parts. But some psychiatrists and doctors are skeptical of the move, saying sexual self-definition should stop at rewriting medical history.

“They should not change the sex at birth, which is a factual record,” said Dr. Arthur Zitrin, a Midtown psychiatrist who was on the panel of transgender experts convened by the city. “If they wanted to change the gender for all the compelling reasons that they’ve given, it should be done perhaps with an asterisk.”

The change would lead to many intriguing questions: For example, would a man who becomes a woman be able to marry another man? (Probably.) Would an adoption agency be able to uncover the original sex of a proposed parent? (Not without a court order.) Would a woman who becomes a man be able to fight in combat, or play in the National Football League? (These areas have yet to be explored.)

The Board of Health, which weighs recommendations drafted by the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, is scheduled to vote on the proposal in December, and officials say they expect it to be adopted...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/07/nyregion/07gender.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

Sounds pretty radical.  Is there really a demand for this?  I don't feel the least bit threatened by this, but I admit, I'm very skeptical.

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2006, 05:36:49 PM »
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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2006, 06:05:42 PM »
Geeze Louise.  This is as bad as that cockamamie gender identity definition in our local statutes.  A person gets to decide what gender they are, regardless of what mother nature says.  Absurd. 

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 06:08:23 PM »
Geeze Louise.  This is as bad as that cockamamie gender identity definition in our local statutes.  A person gets to decide what gender they are, regardless of what mother nature says.  Absurd. 

sometimes mother nature gets confused . . . what can you do?

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 06:12:24 PM »
Damn, this is getting out of hand. First the bullshit ban on transfat foods, now this bullshit.

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 06:14:39 PM »
Damn, this is getting out of hand. First the bullshit ban on transfat foods, now this bullshit.

i thought this would make you happy . . .  ???

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 06:25:19 PM »
Not the same thing but related... This morning I was looking into a civil unions amendment... We have common law marriage here so just out of curiosity I looked up the wording of common law wondering if it was already possible for a Adam and Steve to hook up in Colorado.  Common law marriage is afforded all the same rights as a ceremonial marriage... The law states as a stipulation: (2) holds themselves out as husband and wife; The wording is such that the requirement is not to be man and wife but holds themselves to be man and wife.  "Holds themselves out as" put the description in the couples hands...  If they are publicly stated as man and wife then... I wonder ???

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 07:00:17 PM »
i thought this would make you happy . . .  ???

Why would this make me happy?  ???

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2006, 07:03:19 AM »
Bah!  Doom disapproves.

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2006, 07:47:01 AM »
What a total joke.

I have an Idea...... why don't I fking go change my name to Bill Gates and choose rich parents, LOL! Jesus! Gays have lost their fvcking minds in the battle for social/self acceptance.

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2006, 07:53:27 AM »
if it wasnt for AIDS i would be banging the shit out of hot trannies left right and center :(

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2006, 07:56:15 AM »
if it wasnt for AIDS i would be banging the shit out of hot trannies left right and center :(

I thoughtyou were a bottom. ???

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2006, 08:01:14 AM »
evidently emancipation didnt teach you any manners


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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2006, 08:06:42 AM »
evidently emancipation didnt teach you any manners



They said "thank you", what the heck else do you want?

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 08:09:36 AM »
you shutting the fuck up would be a good start

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 08:15:08 AM »
you shutting the f**k up would be a good start

Yes massa! I be shuttin' tha fvck up and a shufflin' off now.  :)

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 08:23:34 AM »
Yes massa! I be shuttin' tha fvck up and a shufflin' off now.  :)

this was the first funny thing youve said, probably ever

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2006, 11:05:48 AM »
What happens if you are a hermaphrodite... do you have to claim both sexes  ???

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 11:13:04 AM »
What happens if you are a hermaphrodite... do you have to claim both sexes  ???

only you would think of that, lol

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2006, 11:14:13 AM »
What happens if you are a hermaphrodite... do you have to claim both sexes  ???

naw, you have to claim medford status ;D

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2006, 11:14:27 AM »
What happens if you are a hermaphrodite... do you have to claim both sexes  ???

A lot of people here don't even know what that word means.

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2006, 06:07:11 PM »
Why are gays so obsessed with weird shit?
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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2006, 07:05:50 PM »
Why are gays so obsessed with weird shit?

Tell me about it. What they're doing in NY is pissing me the fuck off. First the transfat ban, now this bullshit. Soon they'll be whining about rights for dogs.

Bloomberg is alright, but his money means he's out of touch with the average New Yorker and more in touch with those stupidass hipster fags in Manhattan.  ::)

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Re: New York Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2006, 06:00:17 AM »
Why are gays so obsessed with weird shit?

Most of them (on some level) feel bad about being gay. Only the entire world being gay will make them feel "normal". There's no other logical reason for their agenda except mental disease.