what the fuck is wrong with WANDY?

[Bluto]

Hendo has extremely heavy hands, he hit Wand with a spinning backfist that rocked Wand, and finished up with a nice combo.  Don't sell Dan short, he did KO Murillo.  Something that doesn't happen often. 

yeah he's mostly decision but he has koed a few guys in his career so hes pretty well rounded. i give him credit for his win it's just that i didnt think wand was his usual self but thats his problem

[Thin Lizzy]

yeah he's mostly decision but he has koed a few guys in his career so hes pretty well rounded. i give him credit for his win it's just that i didnt think wand was his usual self but thats his problem

Apparently, Wandy had strep throat and was running a fever the night before the fight.

[bigbalddaddy]

Apparently, Wandy had strep throat and was running a fever the night before the fight.

In his defense, he did get a shot for strep at UMC (hospital in Vegas) as it was in the local paper.

[Bluto]

well anyway it was a pretty good fight.

[Scimowser]

heres the plain and simple truth:

If they had fought the exact same fight under Prides Japanese rules then IMO Wandy would have kneed and stomped the living shit out of Dan when he had him in position. You cant tell me he wasnt itching to do it when he had him down

Under Prides USA rules it was the perfect opportunity for Dan to get a win, which he duly did. Wandys confidence has taken a beating but make no mistake, he'll come back stronger for it. Now he knows he has limitations and will work on hiding them in future. Losing to Dan Henderson and Mirko does not mean you are finished by any means. We will see him stomp a hole in people for a while yet before he decides to retire

[Fury]

heres the plain and simple truth:

If they had fought the exact same fight under Prides Japanese rules then IMO Wandy would have kneed and stomped the living shit out of Dan when he had him in position. You cant tell me he wasnt itching to do it when he had him down

Under Prides USA rules it was the perfect opportunity for Dan to get a win, which he duly did. Wandys confidence has taken a beating but make no mistake, he'll come back stronger for it. Now he knows he has limitations and will work on hiding them in future. Losing to Dan Henderson and Mirko does not mean you are finished by any means. We will see him stomp a hole in people for a while yet before he decides to retire

I agree. I honestly expect Wandy to come back with a vengeance. If I had held the belt for 6+ years and lost it in a bruiser of a battle, I would be out for blood. He's only 30, which is still young by MMA standards despite the fact he's been fighting for over 7 years. I look forward to seeing what he does, there's no way Wandy's going to let it fly equaling his loss record of the last 7 years in the course of 8 months. CHUTE BOXE WILL RISE UP!!!!!

[americanbulldog]

I guess Wandy would have won if they didn't allow clean pinpoint punches to the jaw!     These excuses fuckin' kill me!  Japan...rules...blah blah!  The rules were the same for both guys!  Wandy got knocked the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuck out!  Period!  Good night!  Sleep tight!  Dream of how you can get better for your next fight!  Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one but nobody likes one.  A real man can say that the other man was better that night!  A baby cries and makes excuses. 

No excuse, Dan was the better man that night under those rules.  But truth be told, if it is in Japan, no athletic commision, Dan gets stomped in the head, and kneed on the ground.  (Just like the first fight, Dan winning on his feet, Wandy takes control late with knees and stomps). 

[bigbalddaddy]

No excuse, Dan was the better man that night under those rules.  But truth be told, if it is in Japan, no athletic commision, Dan gets stomped in the head, and kneed on the ground.  (Just like the first fight, Dan winning on his feet, Wandy takes control late with knees and stomps). 

I'm sure Wandy will want his revenge in Japan and his intensity will be through the roof next fight.  Is it me or did he seem kind of out of it at the begining of the fight?  Usually he comes out so intense and crazy that it gives me chills but this time he was really tame IMO.

[SinCitysmallGUY]

Yeah I doubt you will see this Rematch in the US but then again does anyone expect Dan to keep the belt if he goes back to Japan where knees are legal and also the STOMP... I think there were to many oppourtunities for that to happen..... So does Dan keep the belt long enough to give Wnady his rematch.... Do you see Wandy only having to win one fight to get his shot or two.....

[Captain Equipoise]

I'm sure Wandy will want his revenge in Japan and his intensity will be through the roof next fight.  Is it me or did he seem kind of out of it at the begining of the fight?  Usually he comes out so intense and crazy that it gives me chills but this time he was really tame IMO.

The commentator even noticed that and said Wandy fears Hendo's right hand

[Nathan]

Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.

[Royalty]

I think it's clear to see that Wand hasn't fully recovered from when he was KO'ed by Crocop. His confidence isn't there. He was more defensive, than offensive. A guy like that is not supposed to be KO'ed by Dan Henderson.

Wonder if we'll ever see the old Wand.

That happened to Vitor Belfort back in 1997.

He was supposed to be unbeatable....then he got beat by Couture...and he totally lost his mental edge.

[Royalty]

Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.

as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.

Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.

[bigbalddaddy]

as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.

Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.

Good point, not like it was his first fight. 

[americanbulldog]

Yeah the rules where definetly not in Wandys favor, thats what happened. I still think Wandy is a better fighter, since the less rules the more valid/close to a street fight it is, thus the more I can learn about real fighting on the street. Cro Cop is also at an disadvantage in the UFC, Pride rules are better for his style too.

Crocop will do quite well with the UFC rules.  His sprawl and brawl will become better with the use of the cage, and his ground and pound with the added element of elbows on the ground makes him even more dangerous.  He did a lot of damage to Wandy in Wandy's closed guard.  Can you imagine if he used elbows?  He will be tougher to takedown, use the cage to wallwalk back to his feet, hell he can even grab it like Liddell. 

[americanbulldog]

That happened to Vitor Belfort back in 1997.

He was supposed to be unbeatable....then he got beat by Couture...and he totally lost his mental edge.

Vitor has always been mentally suspect.  He rose fast, never learned how to grind until he fought Couture (and Randy broke him) and could have gotten better had he not left with BTT and stayed with Carlson.  As a BJJ black belt, he was too hands dependant, we never saw his best game as far as the ground is concerned.  He would give up in fights, something we haven't seen Wandy do, when he was pushed.  Bad analogy, Wandy was just matched up with Crocop, and with Hendo (who had a great gameplan and executed).  We have to remember, Wandy destroyed Fujita not to long ago.  That was a HUGE win. 

[Nathan]

as a 10 year veteran and professional fighter Vanderlie has to be able to adjust his stratagies according to the given rules.

Its not like he is a rookie and a set of new rules was given to him while on his way into the ring.

Way easyer said then done, If your natural strong point is diffrent, your going to be weaker. And at that level of competition a split second makes a difference! I did a jujitsu comp last week end, and I'm a natural striker. I won 2 and lost 2, but if I could hit no way, I would have lost at all! I got put in 2 submissions that are easy to get out of if you can hit some one in the face. I don't mind losing at all cause thats how you learn, and become better. Like I always say you got to be willing to look bad, to look good But I did learn loads about the ground game, so I'm very greatfull I got beat. Wandy has a street fighters thinking he is never going to win a pro boxing match against Roy Jones, with MMA Jones would never win. I gusse thats the point I'm trying to get at here.
 

[Captain Equipoise]

Crocop will do quite well with the UFC rules.  His sprawl and brawl will become better with the use of the cage, and his ground and pound with the added element of elbows on the ground makes him even more dangerous.  He did a lot of damage to Wandy in Wandy's closed guard.  Can you imagine if he used elbows?  He will be tougher to takedown, use the cage to wallwalk back to his feet, hell he can even grab it like Liddell. 

I agree!! Crocop in close guard is goddamn scary!! he keeps finding ways to break through.

[Petrucci]

Vitor has always been mentally suspect.  He rose fast, never learned how to grind until he fought Couture (and Randy broke him) and could have gotten better had he not left with BTT and stayed with Carlson.  As a BJJ black belt, he was too hands dependant, we never saw his best game as far as the ground is concerned.  He would give up in fights, something we haven't seen Wandy do, when he was pushed.  Bad analogy, Wandy was just matched up with Crocop, and with Hendo (who had a great gameplan and executed).  We have to remember, Wandy destroyed Fujita not to long ago.  That was a HUGE win. 

the sad thing is, this is true. The problem was that almost everyone under Carlson 'debanded' (sp) at that time, so the got Vitor with him. And he was having problems with financial things with Carlson (the same thing hapenned at BTT then he left there too)
 The word on the streets here in Brazil is that a little beforte Carlson´s death, Vitor was talking to him to comeback to train with him....
 Vitor + Carlson was a unbeatable team...Vitor didnt lost to Couture, he lost to himself. Was full of himselft, didnt trained, was overweight and tought 'hey, i can beat everyone any day' and that was his problem...
 From there to now, the 'mental factor' is still his major problem...he has the skills, has the ability, has the potential and now has EXPERIENCE , a thing he didnt had at that time...but he has to work on his confidence...

[Nathan]

I agree totaly Tyson went through the same thing too. His trainner that died was the only one who could set the guys head straight. After his death Tyson fought like sh**.