Author Topic: VERY MISLEADING inferences by ANSSI Mannien.  (Read 4548 times)

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2007, 01:56:20 PM »
The Study Says:  No differences were seen in energyintake (3,171 ± 577 kcal) between the groups, and the energy intake for all groups were also below the recommended levels for strength/power athletes. No significant changes were seen in body mass, lean body mass or fat mass in any group. Significant improvements in 1-RM bench press and 1-RM squat were seen in all three groups, however no differences between the groups were observed. Subjects in AL experienced a 22%and 42% greater change in Δ 1-RM squat and Δ 1-RM bench press than subjects in RL, however thesedifferences were not significant. No significant changes were seen in any of the resting hormonalconcentrations. The results of this study do not provide support for protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in restinghormonal concentrations. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3(2):12-18, 2006



Anssi Says about the Study:It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2007, 01:57:36 PM »
LOOK AT THE GLARING ERRORS.

Perhaps it is beyond your level of comprehension......

I haven't read either (article or abstract), but I just thought I'd offer a possible explanation.


P.S.  How's the deadlift video coming???

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2007, 01:59:44 PM »
Perhaps it is beyond your level of comprehension......

I haven't read either (article or abstract), but I just thought I'd offer a possible explanation.


P.S.  How's the deadlift video coming???

Hell, you've been waiting too for him to post that vid?

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2007, 02:00:30 PM »
The lack of significant changes doesn't actually mean no changes, if they are referring to statistical significance. Increases in weight may have been found they just weren't statistically significant.  No point just comparing the abstract, you need to look at the results found in the study.

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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2007, 02:02:38 PM »
I would rather say that Manninen made an interesting find that needs further explanation.

Why did the 1RM squat and benchpress increase in the high-protein diet group like that, in comparison to the other groups?

I don't necessarily buy into the extreme protein diet craze, but it definitely stuck out, and it shows that Manninen reads the article, the whole article, rather than just the abstract.

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2007, 02:05:03 PM »
The lack of significant changes doesn't actually mean no changes, if they are referring to statistical significance. Increases in weight may have been found they just weren't significant.  No point just comparing the abstract, you need to look at the results found in the study.
CONCLUSION The results of this study do not provide any supportfor protein intakes greater than recommended levels in collegiate strength/power athletes for body composition improvements, or alterations in resting hormonal concentrations. Inadequate energy intakes likely contributed to these results. Although elevated protein content did not produce significantly greater strength improvements, results suggest that further study is warranted on the effect of high (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) protein intake on strength and lean tissue accruement. However, future research needs to insure appropriate caloric consumption in the examination of strength/power athletes.

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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2007, 02:09:45 PM »
DISCUSSION The purpose of this study was to examine whether protein intakes above recommended levels (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) provided any additional benefit for strength and body composition improvements in strength/power athletes. In addition, the effect of varying protein intakes on resting hormonal concentrations was also examined. Results were unable to show any significant evidence indicating that protein intakes above 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1were efficacious for enhancing strength and body composition changes in college strength/power athletes. In addition, elevated protein intakes in combination with resistance training were also shown not to alter resting hormonal concentrations

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2007, 02:10:27 PM »
meltdown.

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2007, 02:11:30 PM »


Anssi Says about the Study:It should be noted, however, that lean body mass was increased by 1.1 ± 2.2 kilograms in a very high protein group and 0.8 ± 1.5 kilograms in a moderately high protein group, whereas no change was observed in a lower protein group. Furthermore, a 35 percent and 42 percent greater improvement in bench press maximum was seen by a very high protein group in comparison to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Also, improvements in squat maximum were 63 percent and 22 percent greater for a very high protein group compared to a lower protein group and a moderately high protein group, respectively. Thus, it appears that a very high protein intake offers some advantages during resistance training.
Hmmmm looks like i should go buy some more Gaspari nutrition whey.... And chicken and lettuce to boil

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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2007, 02:13:44 PM »
What happened?

1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.

2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.



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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2007, 02:26:46 PM »
What happened?

1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.

2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.




You stated that you would post a deadlift video and did not.

What happened?

1.  You DID NOT post a video, because you CANNOT perform such a lift.

2.  You stayed off the boards for a while when Zach sent the money and then returned to post a number meaningless distraction threads.

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2007, 02:57:45 PM »
What happened?

1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.


Actually this isn't quite the case.  The study did not find any statistically significant evidence to prove its hypothesis, "whether protein intakes above recommended levels (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) provided any additional benefit for strength and body composition improvements in strength/power athletes".  They did not find anything statistically significant at the 95 percent level.  The data itself supported the hypothesis it just wasn't statistically significant.  This is why they probably state "results suggest that further study is warranted on the effect of high (> 2.0 g⋅kg-1⋅day-1) protein intake on strength and lean tissue accruement."  Why would they suggest further study if they found absolutely nothing???  He is being slightly naughty...but nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

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I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future.
Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?

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Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?

I noticed that too.

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Re: VERY MISLEADING inferences by ANSSI Mannien.
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2007, 08:15:46 PM »
  Would you expect anything less from a Testicular Maldevelopment staff member?

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Proof positive that Buttsuck is TA? Or am I missing something?

No APenis is Buttsuck.  That has been proven.  Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him.  He has NO support whatsoever.  I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself.  He must truly be one lonely fucker.  And where is the video Apenis.  You are truly a tool.  Have you even graduated from high school.  Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family. 

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No APenis is Buttsuck.  That has been proven.  Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him.  He has NO support whatsoever.  I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself.  He must truly be one lonely fucker.  And where is the video Apenis.  You are truly a tool.  Have you even graduated from high school.  Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family. 

Again, this hatred-spewing posting of yours as of late.

I am concerned about you, Keith.

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Re: VERY MISLEADING inferences by ANSSI Mannien.
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2007, 09:01:08 PM »
fuck the lift. keep it out of this thread you fucking nut huggers
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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2007, 09:04:46 PM »

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No APenis is Buttsuck.  That has been proven.  Basically just about anyone who supports his isiotic theories is him.  He has NO support whatsoever.  I mean it I think he enjoys talking to himself.  He must truly be one lonely fucker.  And where is the video Apenis.  You are truly a tool.  Have you even graduated from high school.  Or did you have to go to work as a kid to support the family. 
Wrong again  ::)

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Wrong again  ::)
Well, then mind explaining the, "I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future." comment?

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Well, then mind explaining the, "I am currently training for that deadlift feat and will attempt it in the future." comment?

How the fuck does that make me adonis? It just means im training for it so i can prove to you delusional fucks that it is possible.

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How the fuck does that make me adonis? It just means im training for it so i can prove to you delusional fucks that it is possible.

Well, you belong to team schmoe, so you have to be adonis.

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2007, 03:58:31 AM »
What happened?

1. Anssi DID NOT read the entire study, because the study concludes the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he infers.

2. Anssi read the Study and figured nobody would actually take a look at the study and what it concluded.

Meltdown

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Re: Need help finding a Reference.
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2007, 04:02:11 AM »
Meltdown

hahaha, yes, it qualifies.  ;D ;D