NBA billionaire and movie/TV star involved with Loose Change Final Cut

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Mark Cuban is the guy who owns the Dallas Mavericks and Magnolia (a production company).  he is putting out Loose Change part 3 (a movie that hundreds have been working on for the last 4 years- called completely undebunkable).

Charlie Sheen Coming Up On Hannity & Colmes, in about 15 minutes, to talk about his role in narrating the new movie.

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This really is amazing to watch:

The main stream media talking heads (Scarborough on MSNBC, O'Reilly and Gibson on FOX, Glenn Beck on CNN) are tripping all over themselves in an effort to ridicule and smear Charlie Sheen and Rosie and now they're even taking on Mark Cuban and Barbara Walters! This makes last years smearing of Charlie Sheen look almost civil in comparison.

We are watching grown men, who are unable to face the FACTS of 9/11, morph into insecure, bratty teenage girls right before your very eyes (apologies to any teenage girls who may be reading this post - but you know what I mean). THIS is reality TV at it's very best!

Stay focused people and remember the following quotation in the days and weeks ahead:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

Hold on to your seats folks... my guess is we're about to enter stage 2!

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Michael reagan on FOX:

"We shouldn't even LOOK at the evidence of 9/11 because it gives aid and comfort to the enemy!"


What a joke.

[OzmO]

Wow i think both sides were a joke.


But, before we go further let's get this out in a clear light.  They were talking about a 9/11 CT that invoves BUSH knowing about the attack, 

NOT:

-  Missile into pentagon
-  WTC7
-  Not holograms


I just want to be clear about that,  not that it's super clear because they didn't once talk about the issue.  All both sides talked about was anything but.

Leslie couldn't even answer a direct question. 

Colmes asked the same questions you ask.

Pretty much a waste.

Even who-zit with the aid the enemy answer.  He has a point, but his is just as weak and the other sides unwillingness to attach themselves to it, but instead defend it's right to be heard by making it seem like Sheen's character was being attack.

Both sides were monster avoiding the issue and both sides wanted nothing to do with it.

Leslie and Colmes just deflected to character, 1st amendment crap

The Mike Reagan i think, just went on about it not being worth talking about or what ever.....


this show doesn't bode well for the above theory of holograms and such. 

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Actually - Loose Change focuses on the events of the day - and PURPOSELY doesn't blame Bush, blame Repubs, etc. 

Their belief is that it's not about left or right - it's about right and wrong.

They don't blame Bush for anything.  They use physical evidence and official recollection of events to illustrated inconsistencies.  THAT is why it has been so successful.  it doesn't blame Bush.  It shows the official story can't work.  They don't tell you to vote for so-and-so.  They tell you to look into it, and call your reps and ask them to look into it.

[OzmO]

I'm just saying what they said about the CT.  And what i perceived their reactioins to be.


It will get more viewers though as a result.

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I'm just saying what they said about the CT.  And what i perceived their reactioins to be.
It will get more viewers though as a result.

That's why this is so interesting.

Alex Jones - he'll spend all day talking about evidence Bush is bad - and he loses half his listeners immediately because Repubs feel it's evil to simply LOOK at evidence against "their guy".

Loose Change/911 - They point out the facts which show the official story isn't true.  They show us evidence of explosives.  Evidence of past administrations' declassified documents which show a very similar plot to 911 was planned in 1961 and almost went thru.

They NEVER say "Bush bad'.  They say "here is our evidence and the people we intereviewed which show the official story is wrong on these 715 points."  They encourage people to learn more, and ask their state/national reps for a second, more complete investigation.

Honestly, what would it hurt to answer these questions?  The families want it, and 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans seriously believe the govt was in on it.  If *I* wanted to win in 2008, I would say "let's answer every question and stop this hugely divisive issue". 

[OzmO]

That's why this is so interesting.

Alex Jones - he'll spend all day talking about evidence Bush is bad - and he loses half his listeners immediately because Repubs feel it's evil to simply LOOK at evidence against "their guy".

Loose Change/911 - They point out the facts which show the official story isn't true.  They show us evidence of explosives.  Evidence of past administrations' declassified documents which show a very similar plot to 911 was planned in 1961 and almost went thru.

They NEVER say "Bush bad'.  They say "here is our evidence and the people we intereviewed which show the official story is wrong on these 715 points."  They encourage people to learn more, and ask their state/national reps for a second, more complete investigation.

Honestly, what would it hurt to answer these questions?  The families want it, and 1/3 to 1/2 of Americans seriously believe the govt was in on it.  If *I* wanted to win in 2008, I would say "let's answer every question and stop this hugely divisive issue". 

i agree................... ......ask ask ask.

there will be a new investigation.  Just not when BUSH is in office.

I would be surprised if there never is one.

You know,  they never talked about the things you brought up.

Why did they go with "Bush knew" if that isn't what loose change 3 is about?

was it the first foray into the CT and it was immediately redirected to avoid the eventuallity of other issues with it?

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there will be a new investigation.  Just not when BUSH is in office.

I agree.  History shows these events always have multiple investigations years later.  JFK, Pearl harbor, etc.

You know,  they never talked about the things you brought up.
Why did they go with "Bush knew" if that isn't what loose change 3 is about?
was it the first foray into the CT and it was immediately redirected to avoid the eventuallity of other issues with it?

Good question.  I believe it's because by starting the conversation with that, they immediately get 99% of their viewers against Loose Change.  (As they are pro-bush and they immediately beleive the movie is anti-bush).

It's incredible - the last two days, EVERY media station has taken an approach you NEVER see.  They've outright INSULTED the 'conspiracy nuts'.  You saw it tonight - outright namecalling - but at the same time an unwillingness to even look at the evidence they were bashing.

This is where it's changing, Oz.  It used to be, they would tackle the facts and debate them.  Now, they say that arguing the facts helps the terrorists.  (Why did they used to do it then )  Fact is, if every FOXnews viewer were to see that BBC clip, or the WTC7 collapse, or the crater in WTC6, or the NYPD/FD/EMT saying there was a 20 second countdown to collapse...

Well, if the viewers saw the facts, they might open their minds up to it.  All we heard tonight is that 1) Loose change and sheen are bad, and 2) it's anti-american to even look at what they say.

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Cuban went on Oreillys radio show.

Oreilly admitted the movie "loose change", which he's been calling "full of lies and wrong facts" for 3 years -

OREILLY HAS NEVER EVEN SEEN IT!!!!



What a joke.  imagine speaking authoratively on a movie you haven't even seen.

people are starting to see thru the bullshit.  He won't debate th evidence, he won't even look at it.  It's funny too - they used to debate the facts, until it became clear there was so much evidence which destorys the official story - they won't touch it now.  Now, "it's crazy and evil to even look at the evidence"  In what crime IN HISTORY was looking at the evidence evil?

[Straw Man]

When is this movie coming out?

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When is this movie coming out?

It was supposed to be this march. 

Then the CITGO employees came fwd to say the Pentagon plane came in from a different direction than the official story.  (Feb?)
Then 20 NYPD/NYFD/EMT/military from WTC7 came forward with details of the controlled demo. (Mar 07)
Then the BBC documentary showing foreknowledge of the collapse came out.   (Mar 07)
Then Sheen got on board to narrate.    (Mar 07)
Then Rosie came out and said inside job, got millions of housewives to investigate.  (Mar 07)
Then mark Cuban came out to say he was paying for Loose Change final cut to be a major production and come out in American and worldside theaters.  (Mar 07)

At some point, they gotta say "we have enough" and just put it out.  Interestingly, the original was done in a few months in their spare time.  This one has taken years and they've worked full time on it.  They say it'll be completely debunkable - their focus is to show irrefutable evidence which shows the official story isn't true, and there needs to be a second investigation.  Period.  no politics.

[Cavalier22]

its not that hard to "smear" charlie sheen. he is human garbage

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its not that hard to "smear" charlie sheen. he is human garbage

Yep.

And if Charles Manson told you it was raining, you'd know it was sunny, huh?

Sheen has demons like everyone else.  Our own prez was snorting coke a few years back, right?  Doesn't make him any less credible on issues, does it?