Weight loss diet for a large woman

[CigaretteMan]

Thoughts/suggestions?

  Humans thrive best on an omnivorous diet comprised of whole foods that is high in nutrients and moderate to low in calories. That is what all the scientific evidence suggests.

[Deicide]

Wow. Thanks so much for the wonderful help! Following your expert advice, with all the meat, oil, and fiber, she'll poop her way to 150 in 2 weeks time! On top of that, her kidneys will be beat up from too much protein. Thanks again for the help Mr Atkins
I'll advise her to get

Why do you insist that a diet high in carbohydrates is necessary?

Did you read the link I gave you?

Carbohydrates are a new phenomenon in terms of human evolution.

More information...

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

[peroni]

I did and I thank you for the link. I don't believe her diet is too high in carbs. Not overtly so anyway. Granted we could knock out a yogurt here and a cottage cheese portion there. This woman is never going to weigh 140. She doesn't need to either. We'd be happy to get into the 160's  but I want something that will sustain her energy. Greens and proteins are not a good source of energy. Fat's are fine, but the other guy suggesting all that fish oil plus the peanut butter, is way too much fat. She'll never get off the toilet, especially when coupled with a lot of greens. Perhaps a compromise is in order. Sub out some of the carbs you're referring to and replace them with a few greens.

[Princess L]

Perhaps a compromise is in order.

She needs a lifestyle / way of eating ~ something balanced and livable ~ lifelong, not a temporary 'diet'.  What I posted earlier is just that.

[The Squadfather]

bitch shut the fuck up ive fogotten more about nutrition than youll ever know

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[candidizzle]

Following your advice, with all the meat, oil, and fiber, she'll poop her way to 160 in 2 weeks time! On top of that, her kidneys will be beat up from too much protein.

hahahah

wow

you dont know ANYTHING
hahaha

[candidizzle]

I did and I thank you for the link. I don't believe her diet is too high in carbs. Not overtly so anyway. Granted we could knock out a yogurt here and a cottage cheese portion there. This woman is never going to weigh 140. She doesn't need to either. We'd be happy to get into the 160's  but I want something that will sustain her energy. Greens and proteins are not a good source of energy. Fat's are fine, but the other guy suggesting all that fish oil plus the peanut butter, is way too much fat. She'll never get off the toilet, especially when coupled with a lot of greens. Perhaps a compromise is in order. Sub out some of the carbs you're referring to and replace them with a few greens.

way too much fat?

ahhaha

2 tablespoons of peanut butter and 2 caps fish oil at each meal...   thats too much fat..

but 190 grams of carbs is just fine..
hahhaha


bro, just KILL YOURSELF.

hahaha

[The Squadfather]

  yeah peroni, listen to this huge muscle monster.

[peroni]

yeah peroni, listen to this huge muscle monster.

Exactly. I hope one day to have his knowledge since the physique is most certainly unattainable.


BTW cumdrizzle, 190 grams? Before you take your GED, brush up on the math... Typical teenage internet keyboard warrior. Uneducated, angry, skinny/fat fucks like him are the reason I don't like to post serious things on this site.

Oh well...  I'm going to go rub a bunch of fish oil on some greens now and hope to better myself.
Maybe when I've finished I'll have cumdrizzle's knowledge, wit and charm.

[candidizzle]

its not the fish oil, its the omega-3 in the fish oil.



the diet i posted couldnt be better. your client would lose fat like theres no tomorrow.

strachy carbohydrates that release glucose into the blood stream at a faster rate than the body naturally burns them are in no way conducive to fat loss. AND are unhealthy and contribute to insulin resistance, bad cholesterol, and diabetes.

if nothing else, put some faith in omega-3's.  for body composition, there is no greater nutrient. i would say that it compares to leucine.

actually, i would say that omega 369  are like leucine-isolleucine-valine
 the most important being the omega 3 and the leucine
pretty cool how that works out




and i dont look like that photo. squadfather is a douchebag and knows that i dont. i posted that as a comparison to show how much weight i had lost.

[peroni]

its not the fish oil, its the omega-3 in the fish oil.



the diet i posted couldnt be better. your client would lose fat like theres no tomorrow.

strachy carbohydrates that release glucose into the blood stream at a faster rate than the body naturally burns them are in no way conducive to fat loss. AND are unhealthy and contribute to insulin resistance, bad cholesterol, and diabetes.

if nothing else, put some faith in omega-3's.  for body composition, there is no greater nutrient. i would say that it compares to leucine.

actually, i would say that omega 369  are like leucine-isolleucine-valine
 the most important being the omega 3 and the leucine
pretty cool how that works out




and i dont look like that photo. squadfather is a douchebag and knows that i dont. i posted that as a comparison to show how much weight i had lost.

Any man that looks like he could be tit fucked is not someone I'm going to take nutrition advice from. Simple as that. End of discussion.

[candidizzle]

so dont take advice from squadfather.

i told you, i dont look like that.

and so far, all the replies in the thread i created comparing your diet to mine have been in favor of my diet.

[pac-man]

She needs a lifestyle / way of eating ~ something balanced and livable ~ lifelong, not a temporary 'diet'.  What I posted earlier is just that.

This is the best advice given for this situation. 

The lady is 260 lbs and even though her body fat is not listed its a safe assumtion that she is obese.  At this point she needs to consume less calories and become more active.  Getting in the habbit of consuming smaller more frequent meals, healthier food choices, working out, ect... is where she needs to start. 

When she is under 200lbs and at healthy bodyfat % then she can worry about carbs to protein ratios.  Right now eat less garbage and become active.

[Cindy]

Hi Peroni,

Wow congrats to her on losing 70 Pounds!!!
How long has she been on that eating plan?

If it were me:
1. I would drop or reduce the yogurts.
2. I would have the complex carbs early and have the greens in my last 2 meals.
3.I also dont like to mix my fats with sugar (i.e the nuts and fruit)
4. I would eat more protein. (i.e. 5 oz of chicken instead of 3-4)
5. I would also make sure that the protein powder sprinkled on the oatmeal was at least equiv to 24 grams of protein.

Maybe she can add cardio in the AM on an empty stomach if not doing it already.

[Arnold jr]

Cindy's advice is good IMO...especially the part about the yogurt. If you're going to have her eat yogurt it should be sugar free. I'm not sure if they even make sugar free yogurt simply because I don't have my clients eat it.

Another thought, you might start adding in a few low days to her diet per wk. I know this person is not a competitor or anything and that type of thing such as cycling your diet is usually thought of as only for competitors, but it does seem to help/work for those struggling to get things going again.

Last thing, I like seeing more fat and less carbs in diets...it is my preference. I typically have my clients eat very few carbs until they reach their weight loss goal. After that, we begin slowly moving them back in to fit in a more sensable way. No, I don't have them do Atkins or anything like that, carbs are simply very limited.

[ripitupbaby]

Is this the same woman as the other thread?  I agree with what Cindy said for the most part. 

With meals 2, 4, and 6, you are giving her the option of eating up to 6 yogurts and/or three pieces of fruit a day.  You should specify at least two of those three meals for her instead of giving her the option, and probably go with a lean protein and veggie for both of them (or maybe for one of them, and a protein shake for the other).  She's got plenty of complex carbs in the other meals, and she definitely doesn't need that many simple carbs.

[Deicide]

If the carbs must be there, then why not earlier in the day?

Having the carbs late in the day (dinner time) will force the pancreas to produce insulin and block the effects of glucagon since the two are antagonist hormones.

[CigaretteMan]

White loss diet for a large woman

  Stop eating. It's very simple. This isn't fluid dynamics or differential geometry. There is no need for complicating the issue. Just ingest less calories than you spend, and you will get slimmer.

[candidizzle]

If the carbs must be there, then why not earlier in the day?

Having the carbs late in the day (dinner time) will force the pancreas to produce insulin and block the effects of glucagon since the two are antagonist hormones.

true. and so is insulin and gh. and insulin and cyclical amp, and acetylo coa.   

basially, with elevated insulin, fat loss is impossible; except for fat lossed because of digestion.     thats the main reason why carbs are the enemy of a fat loss diet.   

this guy just doesnt get it.

but whatever.

he obviously doesnt want any help... he just wantd to brag about how he got some fat slob to lose some weight by eating healthier.

big accomplishment 

lol

[peroni]

true. and so is insulin and gh. and insulin and cyclical amp, and acetylo coa.   

basially, with elevated insulin, fat loss is impossible; except for fat lossed because of digestion.     thats the main reason why carbs are the enemy of a fat loss diet.   

this guy just doesnt get it.

but whatever.

he obviously doesnt want any help... he just wantd to brag about how he got some fat slob to lose some weight by eating healthier.

big accomplishment 

lol

I've been a trainer for 14 + years. I've been successful because I know a thing or 2. It turns out we are not at a plateau as previously stated since the woman divulged that she wasn't following my advice. Now that she has, in the past 10 days, she's dropped 3 lbs.

The reason I posted this on the board was to get intelligent opinions from educated, cool people. I don't know it all and am always trying to increase my knowledge through reading and listening. The concept of informed people having a forum in which to share ideas for the common good is a great one.
The reason I'm not at all interested in what you have to say is simple. You are rude, immature as a 13 year old, and hypocritical. All this crap of "kill yourself". etc etc.  Referring to anyone who's lost a lot of weight and continues to try, as a fat bitch, slob etc isn't funny. It's nasty and foolish and makes you look bad. Not her. The good points you have to contribute are made irrelevant due to your idiotic behavior.
You can type until your arms fall off but I'm not going to acknowledge any further posts from you. You're the annoying roach that tries to get into the picnic basket. To all the cool people that have contributed to this thread, whether we agree or not, thank you.

[Deicide]

I've been a trainer for 14 + years. I've been successful because I know a thing or 2. It turns out we are not at a plateau as previously stated since the woman divulged that she wasn't following my advice. Now that she has, in the past 10 days, she's dropped 3 lbs.

The reason I posted this on the board was to get intelligent opinions from educated, cool people. I don't know it all and am always trying to increase my knowledge through reading and listening. The concept of informed people having a forum in which to share ideas for the common good is a great one.
The reason I'm not at all interested in what you have to say is simple. You are rude, immature as a 13 year old, and hypocritical. All this crap of "kill yourself". etc etc.  Referring to anyone who's lost a lot of weight and continues to try, as a fat bitch, slob etc isn't funny. It's nasty and foolish and makes you look bad. Not her. You state all these "scientific facts' such as carbs trigger your body to raise your insulin...  Carbs convert to insulin. They don't trigger it. You can type until your arms fall off but I'm not going to acknowledge any further posts from you. You're the annoying roach that tries to get into the picnic basket. To all the cool people that have contributed to this thread, whether we agree or not, thank you.

I would like to foster some discussion.

If insulin and glucagon are antagonistic hormones and glucagon is more useful when it comes to dieting and burning fat; why not optimise the production of the hormone by reducing insulin levels whilst on a diet? I am legitimately curious why you think this is a bad thing?

[candidizzle]

what are you expecting? me to say "awesome diet plan! way to go! you sure accomplished alot getting an obese women to shed a few poounds! "   

fool.

besides, this is GETBIG.COM..   if you want someone to put their lips on your ass head over to musclemayhem or bodybuilding.com..   your not going to get that here   

[candidizzle]

I would like to foster some discussion.

If insulin and glucagon are antagonistic hormones and glucagon is more useful when it comes to dieting and burning fat; why not optimise the production of the hormone by reducing insulin levels whilst on a diet? I am legitimately curious why you think this is a bad thing?

he doesnt have any idea what your talking about deicide.    this guy is a "a calorie is a calorie" "balanced diet" kind of douchebag...   he thinks a fat loss diet is one where you choose "healthy foods" with small portion sizes and lots of cardio...   

[peroni]

I would like to foster some discussion.

If insulin and glucagon are antagonistic hormones and glucagon is more useful when it comes to dieting and burning fat; why not optimise the production of the hormone by reducing insulin levels whilst on a diet? I am legitimately curious why you think this is a bad thing?

I don't wholly disagree with what you said at all. In fact I altered the plan a bit based upon your good suggestions. I just didn't go as far with it as you suggested.