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Kennel Cough
« on: April 06, 2008, 12:21:48 PM »
OK.  I need some opinions here.  I took my dog to the dog park about 2 weeks ago.  She got kennel cough and the symptoms starting showing the last few days.  She also gave it to my other dog.  My question is do I need to give them the antibiotic that the vet prescribed to cure it?  Or will it just run its course.  I hate to give my dogs antibiotics if it isn't necessary.

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 12:27:18 PM »
It may or may not.

I hate giving medicine too...but when ours had it...we didn't want to take the risk.

It wasn't going away anytime soon

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 12:53:57 PM »

  Depends on the dog.  I personally would NOT give the antibiotics unless it was not getting better or there was another health issue going on that the kennel cough could not be dealt with by the body.

  But that's me.  When I rescued Addie she had both head and chest infections and I put her on the antibiotics because it was coming out of her nose and she was a mess, but my other 2 dogs didn't get sick in the slightest.  If they had caught it I would of let it run it's course in them unless it got bad.


  So it is up to you since it is your dog and you are seeing how she is, on whether you want to give it or not. 

 Kennel cough is usually not a serious illness unless the animal is immune compromised or dealing with another health problem.   In a "healthy" animal if the kennel cough doesn't run it's course and antibiotics are necessary I would look into why the animal has a compromised immune system, be it diet, genetics, or whatever.   Just like a cold should run it's course in a person without having to use antibiotics, so should kennel cough in a dog.

 
 Knny, you said it wasn't going away anytime soon in Diego?  I would be concerned about why that was.   

 

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 01:01:05 PM »
This was over a year ago when it happened. 

We took him to a show (as a spectator) & he was being the idiot he was licking everything (including the cement floor).

He started the following day coughing & yacking his brains out (sounded terrible but nothing coming out).  After a few days....it was only getting louder & more constant.  So, in the car to the vets & kennel cough was diagnosed.  Figuring after a few days it was only becoming more constant & louder....didn't seem like it was going to "go away" on it's own anytime soon.  As soon as the medicine was given, the following day it kicked in & he seemed more comfortable & coughed less.  After a day or two....back to normal.

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 01:13:24 PM »
I would of waited, but everyone is different on how they perceive risks and what not.   

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »
true...& there could of been other factors at the time.  if I'm not mistaken, his diet was 100% at the time either.

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 02:08:49 PM »
"Kennel cough" should by and large be a self limiting infection caused by Bordatella bronchiseptica.  The problem is bordatella sets up shop on the cillia (the little hairlike projections) lining the trachea, which can result in the dog developing a more serious respiratory tract infection because the mucocilliary apparatus is one of the primary defensive mechanisms of the lungs.  Typically the most important aspect of treatment is controlling the dogs cough.  The cough can be so severe, it actually results in airway irritation, which leads to further discomfort, which leads to further irritation and coughing.   The basic purpose of the antibiotics is to treat secondary bronchopneumonia that develops secondarily to damage to the mucociliary apparatus. 

The other problem with bordatella is getting antibiotics to the area where the bordatella is located---on the cillia lining the trachea.   There isn't great blood flow to this area, limiting antiboitic effectiveness.  Nebulization is probably the best way to deliver antibiotics, but even that isn't 100% effective.   


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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2008, 02:09:48 PM »
This was over a year ago when it happened. 

We took him to a show (as a spectator) & he was being the idiot he was licking everything (including the cement floor).

He started the following day coughing & yacking his brains out (sounded terrible but nothing coming out).  After a few days....it was only getting louder & more constant.  So, in the car to the vets & kennel cough was diagnosed.  Figuring after a few days it was only becoming more constant & louder....didn't seem like it was going to "go away" on it's own anytime soon.  As soon as the medicine was given, the following day it kicked in & he seemed more comfortable & coughed less.  After a day or two....back to normal.
Incubation is typically 2-14 days.  if he started coughing the next day after being at that show, I'd wonder if he maybe wasn't exposed somewhere else. 

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 02:26:23 PM »
Incubation is typically 2-14 days.  if he started coughing the next day after being at that show, I'd wonder if he maybe wasn't exposed somewhere else. 

Interesting.  Very posible.  Back at that time he was walked in a local park all the time.  Could have picked it up from some other dog there.

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 05:12:00 AM »
Twice a year my dog gets the Botatella nasal vaccine, or whatever its called.  The Doggie daycare place he goes to says they have to have to come there.  Is this good or bad, cant be too bad i think cause he has never had the cough, I guess.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 06:11:37 AM »
Twice a year my dog gets the Botatella nasal vaccine, or whatever its called.  The Doggie daycare place he goes to says they have to have to come there.  Is this good or bad, cant be too bad i think cause he has never had the cough, I guess.

I think it is bad because it is a (for the most part) useless vaccine. It doesn't cover every strain, and kennel could usually is self limiting.

  "Anecdotally"  I have heard people say that the dogs that get kennel cough the worst and take longer to recover are the ones that GOT the vaccine.  The un-vaccinated dogs were over it quick and it was not severe. 

    Some places will let you sign a paper that you take any risks if you chose to not vaccinate and your dog catches something.  You could try that if you don't wish to keep giving it.   Also the rabies vaccine is the only one that must be administered by a vet, so you can "give" all the others yourself.
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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 10:29:19 AM »
Twice a year my dog gets the Botatella nasal vaccine, or whatever its called.  The Doggie daycare place he goes to says they have to have to come there.  Is this good or bad, cant be too bad i think cause he has never had the cough, I guess.


There is quite a bit of debate about Bordatella vaccines right now.  First off, Bordatella is the primary agent that causes "kennel cough" type symptoms, but there are others infectious agents including mycoplasma, parainfluenza virus and the canine influenza virus that cause similar symptoms.  The vaccinations will do nothing for preventing those infections.  Second, there are anecdotal reports on "field" strains of Bordatella that have mutated, so the vaccine provides no immunity against these strains. 

I personally wouldn't bother with the vaccination unless I had a dog that was in a "high risk" situation--ie one who was frequently boarded, went to groomers, doggy daycare, humane societies, exposure to new puppies, etc.  The risk of a typical house dog being exposed to bordatella is relatively low. 

The other thing to think about is just how effective intranasal vaccines are.  The old thought is its "better" because it acts directly on the mucousal surface of the nasal tract---this is what I was taught in veterinary school.  The problem is that now, the current thought is that that may not be the case.  There is a more rapid initial response, but lasting immunity may not occur---making the every 6 months vaccination protocols too infrequent to be effective.  The current thought is to initially give an intranasal vaccination, then booster with SQ vaccinations. This will result in a greater IgA response, which may or may not be greater immunity---there is debate on this one too becuase IgA antibody concentrations in the blood do not reflect mucosal antibodies. 

The other big problem with intranasals adminstering the damned things.  Unless the dog weighs 80 lbs and has a nose you can drive a bus in, you stand a very real chance of only getting about half of the vaccine into the dog on a good day---they'll just snort and blow it right back out.  No one knows how effective this is on providing immunity. 


I DO NOT recommend owners administering vaccinations.  In my experience I've seen way more diseases with owner administered vaccines---especially parvo---than any other situation.  Most vaccines have to have a strict cold chain.  If that chain is broken, for example what you buy from Drs. Foster and Smith isn't packed correctly, then the vaccine is a waste of money.  Its even worse if you pick it up off the shelf of the local feedstore.  I've also seen some owners with no medical training who thinks that they can give vaccines cause some major fuckups with trying to give the vaccines, including vaccinating themselves and having to deal with a resultant finger abcess.  Its just not a good idea unless you have at least a little bit of training on how to do it. 

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 10:41:04 AM »
Thanks everyone for their input.  It doesn't seem to be getting better so I am going to get the antibiotics.

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 05:19:41 PM »
I DO NOT recommend owners administering vaccinations.  In my experience I've seen way more diseases with owner administered vaccines---especially parvo---than any other situation. 


   You can take my noting that people can give the vaccinations themselves plus the  8) emoticon and figure out what I may or may not have been saying.


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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 05:37:09 PM »

I personally wouldn't bother with the vaccination unless I had a dog that was in a "high risk" situation--ie one who was frequently boarded, went to groomers, doggy daycare, humane societies, exposure to new puppies, etc.  The risk of a typical house dog being exposed to bordatella is relatively low. 


This is the reason I will keep doing it.  My dog goes to a doggie daycare place a few times a week and there are lots of dogs he comes in contact with.  But shouldnt almost all dogs be spending time around other dogs as much as possible?  It seems good for them, they need that IMO.  Lets em know how to be dogs.  And yes I understand the wrong environment can be detrimential.

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 07:59:44 PM »
This is the reason I will keep doing it.  My dog goes to a doggie daycare place a few times a week and there are lots of dogs he comes in contact with.  But shouldnt almost all dogs be spending time around other dogs as much as possible?  It seems good for them, they need that IMO.  Lets em know how to be dogs.  And yes I understand the wrong environment can be detrimential.

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Re: Kennel Cough
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 07:39:01 AM »
So if a dog does get a strain of bord, does that mean that the dog now can't get that same strain again?