Ordinary protein diet

[smaul]

Is there anyone on here that has made gains while eating an 'ordinary' protein diet?  ie.  no supplements of any kind, no ridiculous amounts of milk or cottage cheese, tuna etc.

I'm pissed off at the price of all this shit and am paranoid that if I start eating more "normally" I will lose all size.  I also feel slightly pathetic having my life revolve around eating stuff that doesn't taste good. 

[AVBG]

Don't believe the supp myths, supps are just that.... supplements. If you can get your macro's from a supp free diet you will not be any worse off.. truth

[smaul]

I've lived according to the hype for years, did alright.  Struggling to mentally break free from it all.  Not too sure on how to replace certain protein shakes though. Is this even necesary or should I just have some whole food then?

eg. wake up shake
mid afternoon shake
before bed shake

[AVBG]

I've lived according to the hype for years, did alright.  Struggling to mentally break free from it all.  Not too sure on how to replace certain protein shakes though. Is this even necesary or should I just have some whole food then?

eg. wake up shake
mid afternoon shake
before bed shake

Eggs = perfect protein.. hardboil some of these fuckers in advance and your need for the shake will be non existent.

[Determinator]

Eggs = perfect protein.. hardboil some of these fuckers in advance and your need for the shake will be non existent.

Yes, but if a shake has, say, 25g of protein in it, that is about 3-4 whole eggs, or about 8-9 whites. You can't go pumping 12+ whole eggs into you each day, and if you go down the white/mixture or white/whole egg route, it'll work out far more expensive, compared to a few scoops of protein.

[smaul]

I guess its pretty damn hard to get protein in other ways.  Eggs are okay, obviously you can go the milk, tuna, cottage cheese etc route.  Just not sure if its worth pumping all that into my body.  Not like I'm ever going to be a pro.

[candidizzle]

you can drink liquid egg whites..pretty much the exact same thing as drinking whey

[MidniteRambo]

you can drink liquid egg whites..pretty much the exact same thing as drinking whey

If he is pissed off at the price, whey is more economical.

If he wants to cut back as to amount of protein then it is more critical than ever to split up protein intake into as many feedings as possible.  If, for  example, there is a protein intake threshold of 30 grams (no one knows the actual threshold, but it likely exists at some point where the body can only absorb so much at one time), then an intake of 40 grams produces a 10g waste.  In other words 7 feedings of 30g and under in protein (210g total) actually results in the body absorbing more protein than 5 feedings of 50g (250g total).  I call this principle "Protein Intake Efficiency" or PIE.

[candidizzle]

LOL

little bit similar to the PER huh ? (protein effeiciency ratio)   

[WhiteHulk4]

Is there anyone on here that has made gains while eating an 'ordinary' protein diet?  ie.  no supplements of any kind, no ridiculous amounts of milk or cottage cheese, tuna etc.

I'm pissed off at the price of all this shit and am paranoid that if I start eating more "normally" I will lose all size.  I also feel slightly pathetic having my life revolve around eating stuff that doesn't taste good. 

When you say "ordinary protein diet" are you talking about a "low-carb diet" or are you simply talking about a diet without protein shakes ("ordinary protein" meaning, whole food sources)?

I was a Bill Phillips disciple for many years in the 90's and had been convinced that up to 75% of my daily caloric intake should come from MRP shakes.  It did take quite a while to break that mentality.  I still feel the urge every now and then, because it was drilled into my brain so much.

I'm now a much bigger believer in solid foods.  When these guys talk about the "Protein Intake Effeciency" and "Protein Effeciency Ratio" and how much protein your body can actually absorb at one time; well, I'm not going to say there's a magic number there.  But WHATEVER the number may be, it would be FAR GREATER with solid food protein versus shakes/whey. 

The reason is simple: if you eat 50 grams of protein from chicken breast or steak, it's going to take your body hours to digest it - and that doesn't mean, in a few hours, all 50 grams will be digested.  It means that at a steady-rate-of-digestion for a few hours straight, you'll be absorbing and using protein.  On the contrary, 50 grams of whey protein will be digested in less than one hour, and I severely doubt your body would be able to use it all.

So whole food protein = a higher PIE or PER or WHATEVER you wanna call it!

[Tapeworm]

When you say "ordinary protein diet" are you talking about a "low-carb diet" or are you simply talking about a diet without protein shakes ("ordinary protein" meaning, whole food sources)?

I was a Bill Phillips disciple for many years in the 90's and had been convinced that up to 75% of my daily caloric intake should come from MRP shakes.  It did take quite a while to break that mentality.  I still feel the urge every now and then, because it was drilled into my brain so much.

I'm now a much bigger believer in solid foods.  When these guys talk about the "Protein Intake Effeciency" and "Protein Effeciency Ratio" and how much protein your body can actually absorb at one time; well, I'm not going to say there's a magic number there.  But WHATEVER the number may be, it would be FAR GREATER with solid food protein versus shakes/whey. 

The reason is simple: if you eat 50 grams of protein from chicken breast or steak, it's going to take your body hours to digest it - and that doesn't mean, in a few hours, all 50 grams will be digested.  It means that at a steady-rate-of-digestion for a few hours straight, you'll be absorbing and using protein.  On the contrary, 50 grams of whey protein will be digested in less than one hour, and I severely doubt your body would be able to use it all.

So whole food protein = a higher PIE or PER or WHATEVER you wanna call it!

Good post.  I always feel better when I take the time to eat real food.

[smaul]

When you say "ordinary protein diet" are you talking about a "low-carb diet" or are you simply talking about a diet without protein shakes ("ordinary protein" meaning, whole food sources)?

I was a Bill Phillips disciple for many years in the 90's and had been convinced that up to 75% of my daily caloric intake should come from MRP shakes.  It did take quite a while to break that mentality.  I still feel the urge every now and then, because it was drilled into my brain so much.

I'm now a much bigger believer in solid foods.  When these guys talk about the "Protein Intake Effeciency" and "Protein Effeciency Ratio" and how much protein your body can actually absorb at one time; well, I'm not going to say there's a magic number there.  But WHATEVER the number may be, it would be FAR GREATER with solid food protein versus shakes/whey. 

The reason is simple: if you eat 50 grams of protein from chicken breast or steak, it's going to take your body hours to digest it - and that doesn't mean, in a few hours, all 50 grams will be digested.  It means that at a steady-rate-of-digestion for a few hours straight, you'll be absorbing and using protein.  On the contrary, 50 grams of whey protein will be digested in less than one hour, and I severely doubt your body would be able to use it all.

So whole food protein = a higher PIE or PER or WHATEVER you wanna call it!

indeed good post.  it does feel like i need less protein if more of it is coming from food.  if i have pure whey it just feels like i'm drinking water.  any other protein shakes are expensive if you're having a lot of them.  guess whole food is best.