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what if the shit gets hot?
« on: May 29, 2008, 07:27:20 PM »
hi, i left my current stack of trenbolone, prop, and winny. in my car today while i was lifting. it got hot. does it matter if it got hot? like is it ruined or still good?

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 07:29:53 PM »
people bake their gear bro  ;)

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 07:38:28 PM »
Your bigger problem is hauling around steroids in your car.  Probably the #1 way to get busted for a non-dealer, single user.  :(

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 10:35:20 PM »
people bake their gear bro  ;)

You know, I've got to question effectiveness of the drugs after they do that.  You see this "baking" recomendation all over the internet, but when you think about it, it doesn't really make sense.  To heat food to safe (meaning low bacteria) levels the recommendations are heat to an internal temperature of 160-170F.   This doesn't eliminate bacteria, it just decreases the number to what is considered a "safe" level that then the body is able to deal with with the immune system and stomach acid defense mechanisms.  To me there is a huge difference between heating something to eat and something to inject.  There is really no innate defense mechanism when you inject the bacteria, they are going to grow and if they've been heated to a nice warm temperature before injection, they may be completely primed for growth.   

To sterilize something with dry heat (as in using an oven) you need to heat the oven to 320F for 2 hours. There is a rapid method that uses something like 400F for 12 minutes if the material is dry and unwrapped.  Just because you are heating a liquid doesn't mean you are using moist sterilization.  Boiling something in water doesn't really "sterilize it" it kills some forms of bacteria that cause disease, but boiling in water---a rolling boil--is ineffective against some bacteria, fungi, and viruses.    To truely sterilize with moist heat you must heat at 250F for 15 minutes UNDER PRESSURE as in an autoclave.   Most people don't have autoclaves sitting around and if you try to autoclave something in a glass vial, the vial is very likely to break. 

Now, if you look at a bottle of Androgel or a bottle of HG test cyp or a bottle of equipoise or winstrol, they all have storage recommendations of between soemthing like 60 and 85F.   Think about it, I can't see how heating these chemicals over twice a recomended temperature (or much higher than that) won't cause a heat induced breakdown of the active ingredients and/or the oil carrier.   If its water based, you are going to evaporate carrier liquid if there is any sort of venting of the vial to prevent bottle breakage, which will change the concentration. 


The bottom line, I really think the "heat it in the oven" suggestions are internet bullshit.  They just don't make sense to me when you think about the basics of dry heat sterilization and chemical makeup of drugs. 

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 05:29:22 AM »
ask the guy at the gym counter if you can keep it in the gatorade cooler while you train.

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 08:32:29 AM »
it's fine.
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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 01:06:57 PM »
the proteins (hormones) denature when baked.  if left in car, i am sure it would be fine. 

if baked, definately less effective.
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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 01:12:18 PM »
the proteins (hormones) denature when baked.  if left in car, i am sure it would be fine. 

if baked, definately less effective.

Are you absolutely positive about this? The hormones are heated when making the gear. I don't know a lot about cooking gear, so I don't really know for sure. It just seems that the hormones would be destroyed in the manufacturing process if this was the case. If the hormones are denatured from heat then how would you ever dose gear correctly without knowing the rate at which the hormone are affected? 

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 01:14:21 PM »
Are you absolutely positive about this? The hormones are heated when making the gear. I don't know a lot about cooking gear, so I don't really know for sure. It just seems that the hormones would be destroyed in the manufacturing process if this was the case. If the hormones are denatured from heat then how would you ever dose gear correctly without knowing the rate at which the hormone are affected? 

Ronny from bodyofscience posted some data on tren being damaged by baking. Looked for it a while ago but couldn't find it.

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 03:03:17 PM »
Are you absolutely positive about this? The hormones are heated when making the gear. I don't know a lot about cooking gear, so I don't really know for sure. It just seems that the hormones would be destroyed in the manufacturing process if this was the case. If the hormones are denatured from heat then how would you ever dose gear correctly without knowing the rate at which the hormone are affected? 

Thats what I'm getting at with the post I made.  I think baking them could cause lots of problems.   Leaving in the car is highly variable depending on where you live.  A car around here now days in the sun will get above 120F inside it relatively quikly (we had a high of 91 today).   I'd think that will cause some drug breakdown.  Especially if you leave it in the car for an extended period of time.  There are very few drugs I'm aware of can take that type of heat without decreased function or complete breakdown. 

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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 03:19:33 PM »
pretty sure.  i think baking is at a much higher temp.  plus, just because something is made with heat, does not mean it will be safe if heated more.

i am pretty sure there was an article about this in MD or some mag about 4 years ago.
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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 10:18:02 PM »
Some people confuse heating with sterilazation.
That is not the case.
Heat should only be used just enough for the base product to suspend before oil and filtering.
The heated product should be hot enough to help heat end product before filtering.
Amps:
Do not leave in car.
There has been instances that gear (hot or too cold)
will become unstable and unsuspend itself.

I'd rather get caught with a stick loaded then get caught with amps that are labeled!


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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 11:14:54 AM »
hi, i left my current stack of trenbolone, prop, and winny. in my car today while i was lifting. it got hot. does it matter if it got hot? like is it ruined or still good?


Joseph,

Do not leave anabolics in the car.

Period.

I'm sure the products are still viable, but didn't you think about what would happen if you got pulled over by some chance and your car was searched?

Put on your bigboy pants, bro.



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Re: what if the shit gets hot?
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 10:29:36 PM »
I agreed 120 percent with Division.
You have a labeled product and if you get busted.
They will say who did you get it from.
A little slip and your little 10ml vial just turned itself
in a problem you don't want to be a part of.
Live life carefully, it will cost you 50 times what that little
vial cost you