If athletes' talents are "God given"............

[Oldschool Flip]

Then children that are born with diseases or abnormalities must be "God given" too. It's got to go both ways, or else people who believe that God is good and infallible have to believe these children don't deserve him.

Let's face it. Genetics alter what happens to people, not some mystical being. I can't stand when people say someone has God given talent. If that's the case then God must want everyone else to be average. And people that are below that or are physically or mentally screwed must be on his shit list.

Science can help determine why people befall from disease at birth. Religious people just call them "special children of God". If they are special, then why make them suffer their whole life?

[Butterbean]

Then children that are born with diseases or abnormalities must be "God given" too. It's got to go both ways, or else people who believe that God is good and infallible have to believe these children don't deserve him.

Hi Oldschool Flip!

I see talents and diseases or abnormalities as very different things.  Some people would say that diseases and abnormalities are actually the result of sin - not necessarily the sin of the person born w/it, but that sin came into the world and screwed everything up.  Or maybe the disease/abnormality is a result of the mother using crack.  Or maybe it's from mutated genes that wouldn't have mutated if sin were not in the world.  There are choices and free-will involved imo even if they are someone elses.

Could God have not allowed nature to take it's course?  Yes.  Why doesn't He allow all babies to be born perfect?  I don't know.  But the world is no longer perfect.

Let's face it. Genetics alter what happens to people, not some mystical being. I can't stand when people say someone has God given talent. If that's the case then God must want everyone else to be average. And people that are below that or are physically or mentally screwed must be on his shit list.

Oldschool, do you feel that people that can sing, draw or write well are able to do so strictly because of genetics?

I feel that God gives everyone certain talents/gifts but doesn't give everyone exactly the same ones.  Some people will use them and some might not.

Science can help determine why people befall from disease at birth. Religious people just call them "special children of God". If they are special, then why make them suffer their whole life?

There are people that are perfectly healthy that feel they suffer their whole life.  And some "special" people I have met are the happiest and most loving ones.  But I hate to see people suffer too   

[Nordic Superman]

I see talents and diseases or abnormalities as very different things.  Some people would say that diseases and abnormalities are actually the result of sin - not necessarily the sin of the person born w/it, but that sin came into the world and screwed everything up.  Or maybe the disease/abnormality is a result of the mother using crack.  Or maybe it's from mutated genes that wouldn't have mutated if sin were not in the world.  There are choices and free-will involved imo even if they are someone elses.

This is the opinion of a scum bag.

A child is deformed and mutilated by God to teach its sinful mother By "God" do you mean "Satan"?

Musical, mathematical and sporting talents are genetic with environment playing a key part. People of African decent are better at sprinting because of their genes, whites better at swimming, Chinese slightly better at mathematics... because of their genes.

[Butterbean]

A child is deformed and mutilated by God to teach its sinful mother

No, that is not what I said nor what I meant.  Maybe you should read more carefully.

[Nordic Superman]

No, that is not what I said nor what I meant.  Maybe you should read more carefully.

Sorry, didn't actually mean you personally, I meant that mindset. It's one of the most disgusting thought processes there is. There was an England "soccer" manager who got fired because he said people in wheelchairs had sinned in a past life... totally scum.

[Oldschool Flip]

Hi Oldschool Flip!

I see talents and diseases or abnormalities as very different things.  Some people would say that diseases and abnormalities are actually the result of sin - not necessarily the sin of the person born w/it, but that sin came into the world and screwed everything up.  Or maybe the disease/abnormality is a result of the mother using crack.  Or maybe it's from mutated genes that wouldn't have mutated if sin were not in the world.  There are choices and free-will involved imo even if they are someone elses.

But science has answers for the mutations in most cases, most of them being hereditary. Dwarfs are dwarfs from heredity, same as why tall people are tall, twins running in the same families, etc. That's why if cancer is prevailent in your ancestors, you need to make sure you get checked too. It's nothing to do with God.

Could God have not allowed nature to take it's course?  Yes.  Why doesn't He allow all babies to be born perfect?  I don't know.  But the world is no longer perfect.

There isn't an solid answer from the religious on this Stella. However science has many reasonable answers.

Oldschool, do you feel that people that can sing, draw or write well are able to do so strictly because of genetics?

Yes. Definitely. Whether they work on perfecting it is another story.

I feel that God gives everyone certain talents/gifts but doesn't give everyone exactly the same ones.  Some people will use them and some might not.

There are people that are perfectly healthy that feel they suffer their whole life.  And some "special" people I have met are the happiest and most loving ones.  But I hate to see people suffer too   

The healthy ones then have a mind set issue, not a hereditary issue. And the "special people" are happy because people show them love and compassion. Most anyone would feel that way if given the same attention.

[Butterbean]

It's one of the most disgusting thought processes there is. There was an England "soccer" manager who got fired because he said people in wheelchairs had sinned in a past life... totally scum.

I agree that his presumptions are ridiculous!



And Oldschool Flip...good to see you   I think maybe you are mostly on the Sports Board?  I saw a TV show awhile back where they were eating Balut!  High in protein

[Oldschool Flip]

I agree that his presumptions are ridiculous!



And Oldschool Flip...good to see you   I think maybe you are mostly on the Sports Board?  I saw a TV show awhile back where they were eating Balut!  High in protein

I'm a mod on the Natural Bodybuilding forum too STella.