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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 03:38:33 PM »
If you were entirely on your own, with no friends, no family, not a single person, I think it would matter quite a lot.
I gave you those links if you listened to them or not, thats fine. the Wisdom within it is good. Don't expect you to believe in God.

anyway. the stuff that is going on in your life is there because it is. You can't complain about it, you can but where will it get you?

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 07:10:31 PM »
you need to treat your depression my friend, its coming through in your posts.

its mostly situational but man get the fuck out of that shithole.

ill be praying for you :D

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2008, 12:46:12 AM »
you need to treat your depression my friend, its coming through in your posts.

its mostly situational but man get the fuck out of that shithole.

ill be praying for you :D

'Treat the depression'; in other words pop loads of pills into me until I find out which one 'works', been there, done that...this is one point I disagree with you on. For the record, I have been 'depressed' my whole life. If someone wants to lobotomise me, maybe that would change things. The question of 'depression' is one I have long ago laid to rest. It's always situational btw. I happen not to be in a 'shithole' at the moment anyway.
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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 10:31:28 AM »
If you were entirely on your own, with no friends, no family, not a single person, I think it would matter quite a lot.

Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you don’t have any friends is that you come off like a rude, self-centered JERK??

It appears that someone was actually concerned about your well-being, and you just brushed them off. Loco has tried to be nice to you here, and you basically blast him with insults.

You've got some major-league bitterness in your life. And you need to deal with it, or you're going to be miserable, no matter where you are (whether you have family around or not).

He who wants friends must show himself to be friendly. Snapping at folks who seem to be concerned about you (even, if such concern is superficial, initially) is hardly a way to go that route.

And, what makes you think that these Christians you loathe so much wouldn't try to help you?



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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2008, 07:21:43 AM »
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Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you don’t have any friends is that you come off like a rude, self-centered JERK??

Stupid assumption. I have friends but since I move around they are usually far away.  You are an idiot to think that my internet handle is an identical copy of me in realy life. Very silly reasoning, but what else can you expect from a fundy?

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It appears that someone was actually concerned about your well-being, and you just brushed them off. Loco has tried to be nice to you here, and you basically blast him with insults.

I brushed him off because he was proselytising to me and ranting on about how Jebus loves me. These are things that are not only not helpful. but entirely incomprehensible to an atheist.

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You've got some major-league bitterness in your life. And you need to deal with it, or you're going to be miserable, no matter where you are (whether you have family around or not).

Bitterness is good; ever read Schopenhauer?

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He who wants friends must show himself to be friendly. Snapping at folks who seem to be concerned about you (even, if such concern is superficial, initially) is hardly a way to go that route.

I never snapped at anyone. I just politely told them I don't believe in their deity.

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And, what makes you think that these Christians you loathe so much wouldn't try to help you?


Because the nature of my situation wouldn't allow for such help.




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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2008, 08:45:41 AM »
Stupid assumption. I have friends but since I move around they are usually far away.  You are an idiot to think that my internet handle is an identical copy of me in realy life. Very silly reasoning, but what else can you expect from a fundy?

I've moved around quite a bit in my life, too, leaving behind long-time friends. Making new friends becomes more of a difficulty, when you come off as a big jerk. Plus, I never said or claimed or even thought that your internet name is an IDENTICAL copy of your actual life.


I brushed him off because he was proselytising to me and ranting on about how Jebus loves me. These are things that are not only not helpful. but entirely incomprehensible to an atheist.

One, this guy may not have known you were an atheist, until/unless you told him. Two, this may come as a shock to you, but there are Christians who used to be atheists. Often enough, they became such, because someone befriended them and shared the Gospel with them.


Bitterness is good; ever read Schopenhauer?

I've met and seen FAR too many people who've lived with bitterness, and it's hardly a good thing, regardless of what Schopenhauer says.


I never snapped at anyone. I just politely told them I don't believe in their deity.

You snapped at Loco, and he was simply being nice and trying to listen to what you were saying.
 
Because the nature of my situation wouldn't allow for such help.


But, your earlier complaint was that they WOULDN'T HELP, not that they couldn't help. If they can't help, due to the nature of your situation, your taking potshots at them for praying for you makes no sense.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2008, 09:22:17 AM »

i'm not giving up on you bro

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2008, 09:49:53 AM »
I currently find myself in one of the most difficult situations I have known to date. I happen to have a few Christian aquaintances and after I have told them of my plight, they claim they will and/or have prayed for me. They tell me their desert deity will cause some miracle to happen. In real life I have a high degree of tolerance for religious delusion, which usually manifests itself in the form of avoidance of interaction with such people but recently I have been hearing this gibberish ridden prayer silliness a bit too often. I suppose under the extremely, extremely unlikely circumstances that my situation improves, they will claim credit as their 'prayers' have been answered. Alternatively if the much more probable outcome of my current situation manifests itself, these delusional people will claim that their deity has simply said no for inexplicable reasons, wholly unknown to mortals. Either way it is a win/win situation for them. I had someone write me a long and tiresome e-mail that I initially could not even read through because it is so delusional:
 

 ::) After I had forced myself to read through this screed I became severely annoyed, thinking about the time I lost bothering myself with it and the unfortunate time the Brazilian had wasted in its composition.

When things like this are foisted upon me I lose my tolerance. Why do these delusional people actually believe they are helping? For the life of me I don't get it.

Prayer: how to do nothing and still think you are helping.



But D, since you believe prayer is actually doing nothing why do you care if they pray for you or not?  Why would you "wish they would stop?"

Maybe you're actually not bothered if they pray, but that they tell you that they pray and in doing so share their faith w/you which annoys you?

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2008, 12:58:13 PM »


But D, since you believe prayer is actually doing nothing why do you care if they pray for you or not?  Why would you "wish they would stop?"

Maybe you're actually not bothered if they pray, but that they tell you that they pray and in doing so share their faith w/you which annoys you?



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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2008, 03:40:40 AM »

i might or might not have prayed for you today bro

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2008, 01:10:50 PM »
Deity Killer,
 
What ails ya; Money, health, relationship issues?  Can anyone help you and how?


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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2008, 12:51:09 PM »
   People pray because people care; it's their way of helping you as best as they know how.  You have access to hundreds of people here, you are going to get hundreds of different kinds of responses, everyone doing and saying what they think is best. 
   I'm assuming, even in the state you're in, that you would choose a happy life over no life at all were you give then choice right now, and you've already done a great job striking out several options for help(like medication, religion...etc), so why don't you stop focusing on those and move onto something entirely different that might appeal to you-look towards those who have had similar issues and worse and taken care of them in a way that you can accept. 
   I know, for example, that I couldn't tackle any of my problems the way other people were tackling theirs(via medication), so I instead took on a major lifestyle change that kind of showed up out of nowhere and really sparked my interest and now my whole life is on track, whereas before it was far from.  I was amazed at how a change in my physical lifestyle-meaning things I did on a ate and drank on a daily basis-could improve my mental health and clarity so much.  I was amazed at how how treating my body as it was meant to be treated changed literally everything once it had some time to get back on track.  Not much beats impeccable living in regards to getting the mind back into a healthy state-getting mentally depressed is immediately preceded by a physical cause-everytime.  Why not look into that?  It's actually hard to get obcessive or depressed when the body is at a certain level of good health.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2008, 02:12:21 AM »
Praying for someone is a "feel good" act. It's like wearing a pink ribbon to "support" Breast Cancer but not donating any time or money to the cause. Symbolism over substance.

Very much so.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2008, 02:50:54 AM »
I do not pray for you, deicide.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2008, 08:59:35 AM »
i actually prayed for bad things to happen to you deicide. Perhaps god works via reverse psychology, all i know is the outcome will be interesting.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2008, 04:22:57 AM »
i actually prayed for bad things to happen to you deicide. Perhaps god works via reverse psychology, all i know is the outcome will be interesting.

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2008, 04:34:01 AM »
Did you watch the 50 min video?

I bet that's some funny shit.
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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2008, 04:39:30 AM »
I'm sorry deicide, i couldn't help myself and i prayed the shit out of you. Please accept my apology.
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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2008, 10:21:42 AM »
for anyone who would like to pray or not pray for deicide please bring your prayers or non-prayers to this thread. All help or non-help is appreciated.

anyone else pray for deicide today?

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2008, 10:22:31 AM »
for anyone who would like to pray or not pray for deicide please bring your prayers or non-prayers to this thread. All help or non-help is appreciated.

anyone else pray for deicide today?


maybe

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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2008, 10:22:02 PM »
I pray for Deicide to be the best atheist in the whole wide world.

Super duper good luck.
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Re: I wish people would stop 'praying' for me...
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2008, 06:26:20 AM »
I'm sure a lot of people here already know (or have heard about) this, but I'll post it anyway.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6W9H-4JKC4CN-1M&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=b8f4a4b964c00cf5994be8a24111f0d5

Background

Intercessory prayer is widely believed to influence recovery from illness, but claims of benefits are not supported by well-controlled clinical trials. Prior studies have not addressed whether prayer itself or knowledge/certainty that prayer is being provided may influence outcome. We evaluated whether (1) receiving intercessory prayer or (2) being certain of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with uncomplicated recovery after coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.Methods

Patients at 6 US hospitals were randomly assigned to 1 of 3 groups: 604 received intercessory prayer after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; 597 did not receive intercessory prayer also after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; and 601 received intercessory prayer after being informed they would receive prayer. Intercessory prayer was provided for 14 days, starting the night before CABG. The primary outcome was presence of any complication within 30 days of CABG. Secondary outcomes were any major event and mortality.

Results

In the 2 groups uncertain about receiving intercessory prayer, complications occurred in 52% (315/604) of patients who received intercessory prayer versus 51% (304/597) of those who did not (relative risk 1.02, 95% CI 0.92-1.15). Complications occurred in 59% (352/601) of patients certain of receiving intercessory prayer compared with the 52% (315/604) of those uncertain of receiving intercessory prayer (relative risk 1.14, 95% CI 1.02-1.28). Major events and 30-day mortality were similar across the 3 groups.

Conclusions

Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on complication-free recovery from CABG, but certainty of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a higher incidence of complications.


Prayer is actually bad for you.