chins vs wide grip pulldowns

[pumpster]

what a fag he isnt even looking at her cola

haha have to agree.

[dyslexic]

I do a minimum of fifty chins per back workout. My bodyweight is 192 @ 12%BF. When I am finished, regardless of how many sets it took, I start loading the weight belt. When I can no longer use a full range of motion, I will stop chinning and start rowing.


Works 4 me.

[pumpster]

Arnold was Mr O for a reason.

Actually he wasn't known for great lats.

Some people are naturally good at chins; it's a great exercise but so are pulldowns.

[thewickedtruth]

pulldowns tend to become a wide grip row when things start to become "heavy" for most people.. plus chins are significantly more difficult for the most part. Both have their place..

if you want strong lats.. super pullovers are a bitch..

[The_Crusher]

If its large, wide, thick lats you want then you better make the underhand wide-grip chin the first movement of your back routine.
Even if you cannot pull your fat ass up to the mid-point, your body will adapt fast. Only your body weight is needed unless you are
on a contest diet. With time you will become stronger as your lats grow wider. You'll eventually be able to squeeze off 4-8 good clean
reps for 3 sets. That's all you need for this move to get results.

[pumpster]

If its large, wide, thick lats you want then you better make the underhand wide-grip chin the first movement of your back routine.
Even if you cannot pull your fat ass up to the mid-point, your body will adapt fast. Only your body weight is needed unless you are
on a contest diet. With time you will become stronger as your lats grow wider. You'll eventually be able to squeeze off 4-8 good clean
reps for 3 sets. That's all you need for this move to get results.

-Pulldowns are just as effective, i've used both.
-Wide grip ain't necessary actually, that's one of those myths IMO. Arthur Jones, who knew something about working out, espoused a medium hammer grip. My own experience agrees with exactly this as well as with even closer grips, for width.

[Bluto]

Pulldowns are for lazy lifters

[ASJChaotic]

-Pulldowns are just as effective, i've used both.
-Wide grip ain't necessary actually, that's one of those myths IMO. Arthur Jones, who knew something about working out, espoused a medium hammer grip. My own experience agrees with exactly this as well as with even closer grips, for width.

do you support Arthur Jones's HIT method aswell?

[pumpster]

do you support Arthur Jones's HIT method aswell?

Definitely a viable alternative. The main difference is whether it appeals to someone psychologically rather than a difference in effectiveness, because if it's done as it's supposed to be done, it's gruelling and requires a training partner to inflict further pain. Some or maybe most who train in HIT fashion don't actually take it to the extreme intensity required, because doing so is very challenging. I like Yate's modified, slightly less minimal version better.

Pulldowns are for lazy lifters

LOL this from getbig's #1 keyboard warrior, who does marathon volume workouts with low intensity, never goes to failure or sweats, and trains muscles very infrequently while electing instead to spend most of life on getbig.

[pumpster]

I would never take the time to set all that stuff up. Even if it was already set up I wouldn't do it. Dumbell pull overs.

Machine pullovers are better than either of those, takes the hands and arms out of it and makes it more intense. Using cables with ab straps attached is the best approximation if there's no machine.

[Ursus]

Machine pulldowns is like doing b/w pullups on a chinning bar except with just a % of your b/w

[Schoolboy #1]

...you can vary where you pull the bar too...

I think this is just an issue of resistance.  Increase the weight so far, and you wont hav much of a choice in where you pull the bar to.
If you are strong enough at pulldowns/ pullups, you will be able to control where you pull yourself to in a pullup.
I consider myself quite strong at pullups and so can touch the bar with my chin or, if i want, near my naval.
(Pretty piss-poor job of explaining that but sure...)

Goudy's very humble.  Very strong on chins.  Done an easy rep with 40kg added just the other day.  Probably capable of a set of 18-20 to failure, though that's not his thing so we may never know.

[MisterMagoo]

which is more comfortable? do that one.

for every dorian yates that swears by underhand work, there's an arnie that says do everything wide-grip. for every guy swearing by bodyweight exercises, another one says you get better control and isolation from machines.

me, i got my best from a) dead hang pullups, and b) parallel grip pullups. those are the best for me.