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James Phoenix

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Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« on: February 03, 2009, 09:40:26 PM »
Hi!

I'm hoping someone here can answer my question.

I'm not very knowledgeable in regards to nutrition.
I remember reading a while back that an increase in melatonin is associated with a decrease in testosterone.
The book's focus was the pineal gland's role in DMT production; the melatonin issue was a sub-topic that didn't mean anything to me until I started taking it.
Any opinions or studies?

It relates to me because I started taking it recently due to my DSPS, insomnia, and night terrors.

Also, I'm hoping I can use this to increase my REM sleep, and decrease overall sleep time in order to accomplish more during the day.

I'd like to cut sleep down to 5 hours - if this is possible.

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Re: Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 11:57:21 PM »
Not sure about it lowering test levels, but it will raise estrogen levels. My wife started taking it to sleep better at night, and she slept great, but over time she started to get real bitchy, and she was 8 days late on her period. After some research I found that Melatonin is a precurser to estrogen.  Unless you want a Gyno, I would stay away from it.  In my experience not being able to sleep at night is usually due to taking stimulants during the day.  You can try some detox pills to help reset your receptors while you sleep.  For a while I noticed taking lots of B12 before bed seemed to give me better sleep.

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Re: Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 06:52:38 AM »
try it at .3mg (300mcg) an hour or two before you go to bed....   i used to take as much as 9mg a night, it woudl knock me out, but id be very sleepy in the morning...at .3mg its a very nice effect

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Re: Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 07:09:03 AM »
Unless you're post 40 years old, i wouldn't bother.

get some generic benedryl for sleeping..  Non habit forming and not a hormone.  However, melatonin at 1-3 mgs is safe to use..

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Re: Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 04:40:31 PM »
Regardless of how much melatonin you take I don't think it will make up for less sleep.  I understand the thought process behind it but over the long run being in a deeper sleep isnt going to make up for less sleep.

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Re: Melatonin and Testosterone ?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 07:51:11 PM »
Not sure about it lowering test levels, but it will raise estrogen levels. My wife started taking it to sleep better at night, and she slept great, but over time she started to get real bitchy, and she was 8 days late on her period. After some research I found that Melatonin is a precurser to estrogen.  Unless you want a Gyno, I would stay away from it.  In my experience not being able to sleep at night is usually due to taking stimulants during the day.  You can try some detox pills to help reset your receptors while you sleep.  For a while I noticed taking lots of B12 before bed seemed to give me better sleep.

Interesting.

You've come the closest to providing some insight into my inquiry.

I've been told the same in regards to stimulants; however, I only use stimulants (Jolt Energy, Coffee) in the morning,
to speed up the process of becoming fully awake and alert. I do experience deeper sleep, as evident by more vivid dreams, and an increased feeling of wellness the next day. If this estrogen business is true though, I might consider something else.

try it at .3mg (300mcg) an hour or two before you go to bed....   i used to take as much as 9mg a night, it woudl knock me out, but id be very sleepy in the morning...at .3mg its a very nice effect

I've been taking 2 tabs (.3) nightly. I started out heavy, because I wanted to be sure I was experiencing better sleep rather than a placebo effect.
I might try higher dosages to see what happens.

Unless you're post 40 years old, i wouldn't bother.

get some generic benedryl for sleeping..  Non habit forming and not a hormone.  However, melatonin at 1-3 mgs is safe to use..

I'll consider it if melatonin doesn't work out. Thank you for your reply.

Regardless of how much melatonin you take I don't think it will make up for less sleep.  I understand the thought process behind it but over the long run being in a deeper sleep isnt going to make up for less sleep.

Techno Viking mentioned in another thread that the body sleeps to reach REM sleep.
I believe he was implying that REM sleep is the only sleep that significantly restores the body.
I'm curious to hear more thoughts on this idea. If that's true, it's important to know;
taking supplements that are shown to increase REM sleep, while actually sleeping less,
would increase your day time - allowing you to accomplish much more than the average person that has to sleep for 7-10 hours.
I don't know if it's true though.

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