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[theworm]

sorry, i know, this was on another board, but i wanted to report since i think people here are smarter....

plan on doing 600 mg test e x 10 weeks. However, I want an extra bump in the beginning of the cyle and very undecided on what to front load the cycle with. I am somewhat concerned about acne, but got just a little on my back when using test 500... So here were the different things i was thinking of:

test 600 x 10 weeks plus:

a. test prop 100 mg eod for the first 3 weeks
b. winny 50mg for the first 3-4 weeks
c. anadrol 50mg for the first 3-4 weeks
d. front load the test e to 900 the first 2 weeks

goal is to add solid mass with minimal sides. I am not balding, mild acne on back now,

any thoughts would be much appreciated!

[shrek]

add size with less sides do your test and take the winny you shoul do 500 12weeks and winny 1-4 and 8-12

[efanhowz]

frontload with 1000 first week and go for at least 12, preferably 16 weeks. and up the doseage for the last 4-6 weeks of cycle

[elite_lifter]

frontload with 1000 first week and go for at least 12, preferably 16 weeks. and up the doseage for the last 4-6 weeks of cycle

10 weeks is dogshit

[shrek]

frontload with 1000 first week and go for at least 12, preferably 16 weeks. and up the doseage for the last 4-6 weeks of cycle

no way that is retarded bro........... 10 weeks is not enough cause the test e wont really make an impact until week 4...... you could run 250 prop 250 test e for a couple of weeks but you need to keep the mgs a week consistent.......... i like the idea of front loading and i would like to see what your results are front loadind prop with test e and adding winny....... you could also try prop test e in the begining and prop test e in the end for less water retention then test e alone "in theory of course"

[TacoBell]

10 weeks is plenty, and frontloading is a waste.  Just use some dbol at the beginning.

[shrek]

na he want lean gains with less sides..... meaning less water ret. and less and andro genic sides.... man where 4thAD when we need him im sure he has a good opinion

[shrek]

look anadrol is great i love it but everyone knows it has a tendency for high sides. winny tabs have a less amount of sides and will make a better looking result

[4thAD]

If you want lean gains with minimal sides run the prop on the front along with the enanthate. I do this quite often and it works out great. The prop will hit fast, and will be just like using dbol or any other oral but with less water retention. You could also end the cycle with prop and make a smoother transition into PCT. Or you could just run prop all the way through. If you can take the frequent injections prop cycles are great. No need to front load and less water retention. Also as Tbombz would say more hormone and less ester which is true to a point.

[jon cole]

test e 500*12 weeks.
dbol week 1/4.
winny week 8/12.

[4thAD]

test e 500*12 weeks.
dbol week 1/4.
winny week 8/12.

He only uses HG gear! Also he said he wants clean minimal water gains!

[jon cole]

10 weeks is dogshit

seriously in my gym, as i 've heard a cycle like 500 test e and 400 deca for 8 weeks is huge.
in usa it's a beginner cycle.
 

[theworm]

thanks.  also, i cannot get dbol, i can only get winny, anadrol, and anavar as the orals.

the winny at a HRT clinic is 8 bucks a tab, so I think i will go with 4thAD's advise and do the prop front load.... 

[4thAD]

I think you'll be happy with this Worm! Enjoy brotha!

[theworm]

thanks 4th... can you lay out a game plan?

week 1 -3  test prop 100 EOD, with 600 test e per week...
weeks 3-12: just test e 600

[4thAD]

thanks 4th... can you lay out a game plan?

week 1 -3  test prop 100 EOD, with 600 test e per week...
weeks 3-12: just test e 600

Week 1-3 prop 100mg eod
week 1-12 enenthate 600mg ew

[freakfestMD]

Week 1-3 prop 100mg eod
week 1-12 enenthate 600mg ew

I like this suggestion 4thAD, given theworm's stated goals.  Finishing with an additional 4 weeks of prop again at the end (by itself) will give you a nice, relatively safe extension of your cycle and allow a smooth transition to your PCT.  Run that at around 100mg per day.

[theworm]

awesome!  so the prop in the beginning is just as good as adding any oral but with less sides?  that is great news if true!

[4thAD]

awesome!  so the prop in the beginning is just as good as adding any oral but with less sides?  that is great news if true!

Yeah pretty much, I mean I experience almost zero sides from orals. Prop will give you no more sides than the long esters. I like FreakFestMD's suggestion of ending the cycle with prop also.