arms????

[ringo20454]

is it ok to hit tri's and bi's together or would that be too much for arms at one time. I am taking a great "supplement" so recovery time is way down. 

[pumpster]

is it ok to hit tri's and bi's together or would that be too much for arms at one time. I am taking a great "supplement" so recovery time is way down. 

I always do them together, or you can do them apart. Your choice based on preference as well as on the order of the rest of your workouts.

[jpm101]

Opposite muscle groups seem to respond better when worked together. Something akin to chest/back or quads/hams. This goes for the triceps and biceps also. With either normal sets or more advanced workout style. Including  SS'ing triceps/biceps.

Another affect method is quad sets for the arms. Example; tri/biceps/tri/biceps, going from exercise to the next without any break time between. The first two exercises (tri/bicep) are moderate heavy, as 5 to 6 reps. The next two that follow (tri/bicep), use a lighter weight that will allow 8 to 12 reps.  Two cycle each should be all that is needed, with a 2 minute rest between cycles.  Unbelievable pump for those who gauge a workout by that. In any event, a very good total arm builder. Good Luck.

[pumpster]

Opposite muscle groups seem to respond better when worked together.

Actually i'd say there's no proof of any physical difference working different muscles together or apart. The big difference is simply psychological, what appeals to someone.

[jpm101]

Working two opposite muscle groups together encourages a better opportunity for building , and recovery, of that muscle group(s). Physical therapist have known this for years, as have sport/injury trainers. Good Luck.

[pumpster]

Working two opposite muscle groups together encourages a better opportunity for building , and recovery, of that muscle group(s). Physical therapist have known this for years, as have sport/injury trainers. Good Luck.

The amount of rest doesn't have much to do with that. Working push/pull muscles affords a hell of a lot of rest especially when legs are thrown in between those upper body workouts.

[jpm101]

It is not the actually rest ( or lack of it) between the push/pull function during the exercise session so much, though that is a part of it, it is the rest after the workout. And the time required  for the recovery. And as we all know rest/recovey is a most vital element for progress in muscle size and strength. Any way, the duel working of opposite muscles seem to trigger the recovery progress greatly. And whatever biochemical/restructuring cell function that follows. I do not know why, but much wiser men (sports doctors, trainers, etc) have told be this for years. I tend to believe this after personal observation on myself and others. Good Luck.

[leonp1981]

Actually i'd say there's no proof of any physical difference working different muscles together or apart. The big difference is simply psychological, what appeals to someone.

I've never read anything that provides any evidence of increased muscle gain, but I did read one article that said when using supersets, trainers found that they had increased strength for the secondary exercise.  So, for example, if they normally did straight sets of barbell curls and they hit failure at 8 reps with 100lbs, when they used BB curls as the secondary exercise in a tri/bi superset, they could get 8 reps with 110lbs.

[pumpster]

It is not the actually rest ( or lack of it) between the push/pull function during the exercise session so much, though that is a part of it, it is the rest after the workout. And the time required  for the recovery. And as we all know rest/recovey is a most vital element for progress in muscle size and strength. Any way, the duel working of opposite muscles seem to trigger the recovery progress greatly. And whatever biochemical/restructuring cell function that follows. I do not know why, but much wiser men (sports doctors, trainers, etc) have told be this for years. I tend to believe this after personal observation on myself and others. Good Luck.

It's what i use, but some BBs use push/pull effectively. I was referring to rest days in between workouts.

[LatsMcGee]

If you really want to get the most of of your workouts try doing 20 rep squats before you do the push pull supersets.  This is a great way to train while "bulking."

[YoungBlood]

I think you can train arms together, I prefer it that way myself. With arms in particular I think it's beneficial to train them together.
After training back, I think your biceps won't be hit effectively enough to have optimal stimulation. Same for triceps after chest. Training back and triceps just doesn't make sense to me or chest and biceps.
I prefer to have all the blood in that one area at one time. I also like to use "jump sets" or "compound sets" for arms too.

[tbombz]

i did arms last night

dumbell skull crusher
60 lb db 8 reps
80 lb db 8 reps
100 lb db 8 reps
120 lb db 8 reps X 3 sets

ez curl bar skuill crusher
45 on each side 8 reps
45 +25 on each side 4 reps
45 on each side 10 reps X 3 sets

v bar push downs
3 sets half stack

single arm rope pull down
5 or 6 sets to fail

single arm bent over concentration bicep curls
warm up with 40 lbs

preacher curl set up to the pulleys, hammer curl on the preacher using the rope attachment.
5 or 6 sets to fail

preacher hammer curl on pulley one arm at time
3 or 4 sets to fail

preacher regular curl single arm
4 or 5 sets to fail back to back lowering weight as i fail

bb curl with ligth weight for 20 reps or so

[Montague]

Personally, I’ve been doing Triceps after Chest for about the last 4 months with favorable results.

I feel that the lateral heads already get a good bit of work from all the pressing movements in the chest portion, so I focus on a lot of extension work for the tri’s as these will work more the long heads of the triceps, which account for more upper arm mass.
Occasionally, I’ll substitute a non-pressing exercise for Gironda-style dips and instead do triceps dips with elbows tucked and body more upright.

I’ve been doing biceps at the end of Shoulders for no other reason than delts are my weakest body part, and bi’s seem to be my strongest so I’m going by the prioritization principle of training weakest before strongest.

Back has been trained on its own and I feel is getting too far ahead of chest (and most other body parts).
As it’s about time for a change anyway, I’m planning to switch to a push/pull / antagonistic muscle split starting in another week or two:

Chest & Back – prioritizing, push/pull, antagonistic muscles
Shoulders (alone) – prioritizing
Arms – push/pull, antagonistic muscles
Legs – just going through the motions

[pumpster]

If you really want to get the most of of your workouts try doing 20 rep squats before you do the push pull supersets.  This is a great way to train while "bulking."

i never found any reason to do that as opposed to just doing legs and arms on their own days.

[Geo]

is it ok to hit tri's and bi's together or would that be too much for arms at one time. I am taking a great "supplement" so recovery time is way down. 

pretty sure using gear before actually knowing how to train falls into the category of stupid !


I guess the world can always use another chicken jockey !

[mesmorph78]

my arm session today will be different .. trin u keep the volumn back al la pumpster
pluss got a wrist injury

so
biceps first

4 sets dumbell curls
4 sets of preacher culs
fst7 straight barbell curls 8 sets *30 sec rest

triceps
4 sets pressdowns
4 sets 2 arm dumbell extensions on an inclince bench  al la victor martinez on the titans vid
4 sets rope pressdowns
fst7  skull crushers 8 sets *30 sec rest

pumspter with skull crushers so u think its better to take it to the back of the head or just to the forehead?

[ringo20454]

pretty sure using gear before actually knowing how to train falls into the category of stupid !


I guess the world can always use another chicken jockey !

dude i have been training since i was 16,i am almost 36 now. that was awesome the way you judged me without knowing any of the actual facts. thanks. the reason i was asking is because i had a pretty bad auto accident (ambulance v/s tree) a while back and it has affected my total body. let me give you the short list of injuries...fractured left tibial plateau (the ball of that bone snapped off), fractured spinal vert. (t3), 2 clavicle fractures and split my scappula on the right side causing it to shred my right rotator cuff. these are only some of the wounds but after all the surgery and hardware they had to put inside to hold me together i am having to look for ways to change things up. only asking for opinions from you guys to try to make decent gains despite my obsticles. sorry that an asshole like you took my question so personally and let it ruin your day,didnt mean to bother you. but i do appreciate all the other feed back guys.

[Palpatine Q]

dude i have been training since i was 16,i am almost 36 now. that was awesome the way you judged me without knowing any of the actual facts. thanks. the reason i was asking is because i had a pretty bad auto accident (ambulance v/s tree) a while back and it has affected my total body. let me give you the short list of injuries...fractured left tibial plateau (the ball of that bone snapped off), fractured spinal vert. (t3), 2 clavicle fractures and split my scappula on the right side causing it to shred my right rotator cuff. these are only some of the wounds but after all the surgery and hardware they had to put inside to hold me together i am having to look for ways to change things up. only asking for opinions from you guys to try to make decent gains despite my obsticles. sorry that an asshole like you took my question so personally and let it ruin your day,didnt mean to bother you. but i do appreciate all the other feed back guys.

hope you recover dude  that's a pretty bad laundry list


I train bi tris together and I like it for now

[wild willie]

bis and tris together! I would never train bis after back, nor would I dream of training tris after chest or shoulders...... Keep the arms together......IMHO you'll see much better results.