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Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« on: September 16, 2009, 08:00:43 AM »
Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class in Baucus Bill
September 16, 2009 7:45 AM
ABC News' Teddy Davis reports:


It's not every day that you hear a Democratic senator charge that a fellow Democrat is proposing to raise taxes on the middle class, but that is what happened on Tuesday when Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., ripped into the health-care bill developed by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mt., the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

The Baucus proposal would impose, starting in 2013, a 35 percent excise tax on insurance companies for "high-cost plans" -- defined as those above $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for family plans.

Health economists believe a tax on high-priced benefits could help slow the growth of health costs by making consumers more sensitive to prices.

The tax contemplated by Baucus is also a big revenue raiser. It is expected to raise $200 billion, money that Baucus is hoping to use to pay for subsidies for the uninsured.

Given how much money this kind of tax can raise, Rockefeller says he understands why it is "tempting."

The West Virginia Democrat worries, however, that a lot of middle class workers, like the coal miners in his state, will end up facing "a big, big tax" under the Baucus bill because they currently enjoy generous employer-provided health care benefits which they receive tax free.

Referring to Baucus, Rockefeller said, "He should understand that (his proposal) means that virtually every single coal miner is going to have a big, big tax put on them because the tax will be put on the company and the company will immediately pass it down and lower benefits because they are self insured, most of them, because they are larger. They will pass it down, lower benefits, and probably this will mean higher premiums for coal miners who are getting very good health care benefits for a very good reason. That is, like steelworkers and others, they are doing about the most dangerous job that can be done in America."

"So that’s not really a smart idea," Rockefeller continued. "In fact, it’s a very dangerous idea, and I’m not even sure the coal miners in West Virginia are aware that this is what is waiting if this bill passes."

Rockefeller made his comments on a conference call with reporters which was sponsored by the liberal Campaign for America's Future.

Rockefeller, who sits on the Finance Committee, said that he cannot support the Baucus bill unless it receives major improvements during the amendment process.

Baucus, the Finance chair, is scheduled to discuss his "chairman's mark" with reporters on Capitol Hill at 12 noon on Wednesday.

ABC News' Brittany Crockett contributed to this report.

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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 08:04:06 AM »
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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 08:21:33 AM »
And exactly how does Rockefeller the budget deficit will be fixed? ???

Right now the taxes aren't enough for the governments costs of Military, Medicaid/Medicare, Social Security, et al.

Expenses have to be cut and incomes in form of taxes have to be raised.

That's a sour reality.

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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 08:25:00 AM »
And exactly how does Rockefeller the budget deficit will be fixed? ???

Right now the taxes aren't enough for the governments costs of Military, Medicaid/Medicare, Social Security, et al.

Expenses have to be cut and incomes in form of taxes have to be raised.

That's a sour reality.



Theres no more left to give Hedge without making the enomoy even worse. 

The govt needs to massively shrink by about 40 - 65% IMHO.   


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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 08:29:47 AM »
Theres no more left to give Hedge without making the enomoy even worse. 

The govt needs to massively shrink by about 40 - 65% IMHO.   



Right now the expenses have to be high, in order to stimulate the economy.

But once the economy recovers taxes needs to be raised and government have to shrink.

That is the only way to curb another bubble-recession scenario.

And it also is the only way to create budget surpluses.

Only problem?


The politicians are too populistic. They will continue to promise tax cuts (Obama did it) in order to get elected.

It's time for a big fcuking healthy dose of reality.
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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 08:34:40 AM »
The fed creates the boom and bust cycle by his monetary policies. 

The govt is running 40% deficits right now, which is insane. 

Govt needs to shrink and taxes need to shrink as well. 

Increased govt spending is always accompanied by a need for more taxes, etc etc. 

Additionally, increased tax revenues is always accomanied by justification for more spending. 

The govt must shrink and is way too large.  It is consuming more of our GDP than anytime since WW2.   

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Re: Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class workers.
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 08:45:17 AM »
I agree with both you guys only a few of us understood during the election bullshit that taxes were going to get raised no matter who got in obama or mccain.

govt spending needs to be in the economy right now but not in the form of health care reform or many other things obama has on his agenda. He is using his political capital to get his agenda passed at a time when its not appropriate.

3333 is right ppl would be pissed if they arbitrarely raised taxes without spending but thats what needs to be done, it probably wont though so another alternative is to simply shrink the govt which could be down with public endorsement.