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Oscar Wilde on Women!
« on: April 04, 2010, 08:53:44 PM »
I am afraid that women appreciate cruelty, downright cruelty, more than anything else. They have wonderfully primitive instincts. We have emancipated them, but they remain slaves looking for their masters all the same.

The only way to behave to a woman is to make love to her, if she is pretty, and to someone else, if she is plain.

Women have a wonderful instinct about things. They can discover everything except the obvious.

Every woman is a rebel, and usually in wild revolt against herself.

There is only one real tragedy in a woman's life. The fact that the past is always her lover, and her future invariably her husband.

A woman will flirt with anyone in the world as long as other people are looking on.

Women, as some witty Frenchman once put it, inspire us with the desire to do masterpieces, and always prevent us from carrying them out.

There's nothing in the world like the devotion of a married woman. It's a thing no married man knows anything about.

Nothing spoils a romance so much as a sense of humor in the woman – or the want of it in a man.

All women become like their mothers. That is their tragedy. No man does. That is his.

Women are never disarmed by compliments. Men always are. That is the difference between the sexes
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 03:14:15 PM »
Toxi Darlin'?  

Please remember that Mr Wilde, although he for years paraded in the best society and had a marriage and children, later did time in prison, (because in those days, being homosexual was against the law. His trial was monumental).  

He wrote most of his best, most quotable works in jail and then died.


So methinks, given that he was gay, whatever he wrote about women was perhaps slightly biased?

but I adore his writings, he was so very astute.


have you perhaps quoted him out of context?
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 04:40:10 PM »
women = evil

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 05:03:41 PM »
Really reads like the words of someone who disliked women.

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 05:12:11 PM »
i wish women were more simple.  they complicate things way too much

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2010, 06:52:56 PM »
I love women but don't waste time trying to figure out ho they work.

Appreciate them for what they are.

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2010, 08:25:04 PM »
I love women but don't waste time trying to figure out ho they work.

Appreciate them for what they are.

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figured i'd save Stella the trouble of doing it herself lol

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 07:33:07 AM »
I love women but don't waste time trying to figure out ho they work.



Freudian slip here?
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 04:58:45 PM »
Freudian slip here?

Even I can have a typo, LOL!

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 05:20:04 PM »
don't think it was a typo

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 07:52:25 AM »
Toxi Darlin'?  

Please remember that Mr Wilde, although he for years paraded in the best society and had a marriage and children, later did time in prison, (because in those days, being homosexual was against the law. His trial was monumental).  



have you perhaps quoted him out of context?
xL


nah i ws just feeling bored and wanted to start a thread to see if it went anywhere...then i've been buzy studying since last week....just found out i have another 3, 800 page books to read  >:(


of all his writings...other than salome and a few other essays i've pretty much read everything.....he wrote de profundis in prison and  it always moves me   http://www.upword.com/wilde/de_profundis.html




When I was brought down from my prison to the Court of Bankruptcy, between two policemen, - waited in the long dreary corridor that, before the whole crowd, whom an action so sweet and simple hushed into silence, he might gravely raise his hat to me, as, handcuffed and with bowed head, I passed him by. Men have gone to heaven for smaller things than that.
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2010, 07:54:57 AM »
Really reads like the words of someone who disliked women.

give this a read...it'll put his writing into cleaner context...at least try it for a few pages

http://www.hoboes.com/FireBlade/Fiction/Wilde/earnest/
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2010, 07:56:17 AM »
n o yeah linda...this is one of my very favourite writings by Wilde

OSCAR WILDE

PREFACE to THE PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY (1891)

        The artist is the creator of beautiful things.
        To reveal art and conceal the artist is art�s aim.
        The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.
        The highest as the lowest form of criticism is a mode of autobiography.
        Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming. This is a fault.
        Those who find beautiful meanings in beautiful things are the cultivated. For these there is hope.
        They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only beauty.
        There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book.
        Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.
        The nineteenth century dislike of realism is the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in a glass.
        The nineteenth century dislike of romanticism is the rage of Caliban not seeing his own face in a glass.
        The moral life of man forms part of the subject-matter of the artist, but the morality of art consists in the perfect use of an imperfect medium. No artist desires to prove anything. Even things that are true can be proved.
        No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style.
        No artist is ever morbid. The artist can express everything.
        Thought and language are to the artist instruments of an art.
        Vice and virtue are to the artist materials for an art.
        From the point of view of form, the type of all the arts is the art of the musician. From the point of view of feeling, the actor�s craft is the type.
        All art is at once surface and symbol.
        Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril.
        Those who read the symbol do so at their peril.
        It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors.
        Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital.
        When critics disagree, the artist is in accord with himself.
        We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely.
        All art is quite useless.
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2010, 09:18:31 AM »
I'll agree that all art is quite useless aside for its own sake.

That being said, most homosexuals and men with mother issues have pretty twisted, unfriendly views of women. Misogyny is misogyny, despite one's capacity to rationalize or intellectualize it. :)

I'm more of a mind that women are here to help men develop. Guys need to know when saying yes or no is right for them and develop the balls/commitment to say it. Sadly, most guys are so afraid of being alone or have severe dependency issues that they take crap from chicks. Substituting another person's judgement, perspective, values or whatever for your own only leads to resentment.

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2010, 09:21:54 AM »
I'll agree that all art is quite useless aside for its own sake.

That being said, most homosexuals and men with mother issues have pretty twisted, unfriendly views of women. Misogyny is misogyny, despite one's capacity to rationalize or intellectualize it. :)

I'm more of a mind that women are here to help men develop. Guys need to know when saying yes or no is right for them and develop the balls/commitment to say it. Sadly, most guys are so afraid of being alone or have severe dependency issues that they take crap from chicks. Substituting another person's judgement, perspective, values or whatever for your own only leads to resentment.

dood....just read the damn play for its own sake.....its funny...witty...and charming....and very well written...for once jake...quit analyzing motives

damn man ...have u ever read any non technical book you have actually enjoyed  :-\
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 09:23:16 AM »
dood....just read the damn play for its own sake.....its funny...witty...and charming....and very well written...for once jake...quit analyzing motives

damn man ...have u ever read any non technical book you have actually enjoyed  :-\

Do non-technical books even exist? :)

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2010, 09:38:36 AM »
Do non-technical books even exist? :)

i just found out i need to read 3 more...that puts me...going full tilt around 3 weeks behind schedule...considering i can gag down 2700 more pages of it  >:(


i think if u should give that play a shot...you'll actually end up laughing quite a bit....i found it hilarious first time i read it
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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2010, 09:43:36 AM »
i just found out i need to read 3 more...that puts me...going full tilt around 3 weeks behind schedule...considering i can gag down 2700 more pages of it  >:(


i think if u should give that play a shot...you'll actually end up laughing quite a bit....i found it hilarious first time i read it

Reading for fun is pretty rare, for me. I'll look for structure in "Green eggs and ham", LOL!

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Re: Oscar Wilde on Women!
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2010, 09:49:44 AM »
Reading for fun is pretty rare, for me. I'll look for structure in "Green eggs and ham", LOL!

i had to google green eggs and ham......

i simply HAVE to take time out on the weekends to read for fun ...watch a little teli and not look at the technical stuff....

or i'll burn out...and i actually feel myself burning out....my reading and comprehension might start at a high on monday but by friday...its like i'm a dumbfuck  >:(
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