The Old Testament

[Hugo Chavez]

Ok, I keep seeing Christians quoting the old testament.  Mainly in regards to what you should and shouldn't do.  So do you all try to follow the old testament stuff?  Like do you think it's important to try to adhere to the old testament?  If not, why quote it so often on what you should or shouldn't do?

[Butterbean]

Ok, I keep seeing Christians quoting the old testament.  Mainly in regards to what you should and shouldn't do.  So do you all try to follow the old testament stuff?  Like do you think it's important to try to adhere to the old testament?  If not, why quote it so often on what you should or shouldn't do?

Can you be more specific of the types of things they are quoting?  

If it is mainly ceremonial Mosaic Law stuff, no, I personally don't follow that.    Believers in Christ as Messiah are not under law..but grace.  But we should strive to follow the moral stuff in the OT...for instance the 10 commandments (excluding the one about the Sabbath imo but others may disagree).

[Agnostic007]

Any one else find two different sets of 10 commandments when reading Exodus?

[MCWAY]

Any one else find two different sets of 10 commandments when reading Exodus?

NOPE!!

[Agnostic007]

As some may be aware of the story, after receiving the well known Ten Commandments in Exodus 20, Moses returns from Mount Sinai in Exodus 32 and sees the Israelites have sinned in worshipping a golden calf. Moses is so angry he smashes the two tablets and has to go back up the mountain to receive them again. Exodus 33 is dedicated to God dealing with the Israelites sin, and Exodus 34:1 is where God commissions Moses to “Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered. And get ready for the morning, as you must go up in the morning into Mount SiŽnai and station yourself by me there on the top of the mountain. So here we have Yahveh telling Moses that he will write an identical set of tablets to the first. However in both cases he was given 10 commandments, but the replacement set has some different commandments. Some are the same, but some are quite different. 

[MCWAY]

As some may be aware of the story, after receiving the well known Ten Commandments in Exodus 20, Moses returns from Mount Sinai in Exodus 32 and sees the Israelites have sinned in worshipping a golden calf. Moses is so angry he smashes the two tablets and has to go back up the mountain to receive them again. Exodus 33 is dedicated to God dealing with the Israelites sin, and Exodus 34:1 is where God commissions Moses to “Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered. And get ready for the morning, as you must go up in the morning into Mount SiŽnai and station yourself by me there on the top of the mountain. So here we have Yahveh telling Moses that he will write an identical set of tablets to the first. However in both cases he was given 10 commandments, but the replacement set has some different commandments. Some are the same, but some are quite different. 

And what are these different commandments? Last I checked, regarding man's relationship with God:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.

And man's relationship with his fello man:

5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill (murder)
7. Thou shalt not committ adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house....nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

I don't see any different commandments than those.

[Hustle Man]

Can you be more specific of the types of things they are quoting?  

If it is mainly ceremonial Mosaic Law stuff, no, I personally don't follow that.    Believers in Christ as Messiah are not under law..but grace.  But we should strive to follow the moral stuff in the OT...for instance the 10 commandments (excluding the one about the Sabbath imo but others may disagree).

Stella I agree with you but would like to clarify the exclusion part of the OT Sabbath. I believe Jesus is our new Sabbath rest correct?

Jesus Christ has now become the Sabbath rest for Christians under the New Covenant. God has completed His work of the new creation. Christians are the first fruits of that creation (2 Cor.. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). Our rest, as it was enjoyed by Adam everyday, has again been restored. During this life we still deal with some remnants of the curse, but we recognize our rest in Christ (from meritorious works) through faith and daily worship (Col. 3:17). Due to His redemptive work, He has become our Sabbath rest. Jesus said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light" (Mt. 11:28-30; c.f. Heb. 4:1-11).

[Butterbean]

Stella I agree with you but would like to clarify the exclusion part of the OT Sabbath. I believe Jesus is our new Sabbath rest correct?

Jesus Christ has now become the Sabbath rest for Christians under the New Covenant. God has completed His work of the new creation. Christians are the first fruits of that creation (2 Cor.. 5:17; Gal. 6:15). Our rest, as it was enjoyed by Adam everyday, has again been restored. During this life we still deal with some remnants of the curse, but we recognize our rest in Christ (from meritorious works) through faith and daily worship (Col. 3:17). Due to His redemptive work, He has become our Sabbath rest. Jesus said, "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light" (Mt. 11:28-30; c.f. Heb. 4:1-11).

I was talking about a specific day of the week in excluding that one...but yes, Jesus = Sabbath Rest

[Agnostic007]

The first ten Commandments found in Ex 20

The Ten Commandments
 1 And God spoke all these words:
 2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

 3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

 8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

 13 "You shall not murder.

 14 "You shall not commit adultery.

 15 "You shall not steal.

 16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

 17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."


Moses comes down with the two tablets, sees the golden calf, has a fit and smashes the two tablets.
He goes back up to get replacement tablets and here is what is written on them.

Exodus 34


17Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

 18The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

 19All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

 20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

 21Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

 22And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

 23Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

 24For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

 25Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

 26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

 27And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

 28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

[MCWAY]

The first ten Commandments found in Ex 20

The Ten Commandments
 1 And God spoke all these words:
 2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

 3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

 8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.

 13 "You shall not murder.

 14 "You shall not commit adultery.

 15 "You shall not steal.

 16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

 17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."


Moses comes down with the two tablets, sees the golden calf, has a fit and smashes the two tablets.
He goes back up to get replacement tablets and here is what is written on them.

Exodus 34


17Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

 18The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

 19All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

 20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

 21Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

 22And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

 23Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

 24For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

 25Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

 26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

 27And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

 28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.