Author Topic: Kai and Paco 1999 "How come Kai looks so small for 211 pds? Serious inquiry... (Read 5561 times)

SomeKindofMonster · « **on:** May 31, 2011, 04:25:56 AM »

Kai said that in 1999 he was 211 for his contests.
He is 2 inches shorter than Flex and Flex weighed 216
at the 1993 Arnold Classic. Only 5 pounds heavier.
I also noticed he looked smaller than most of the other heavyweights
at the World Championships.
Why is it that some like Arnold look humongous at 235 and 6'1.5
and Gunter would look like a (relative) beanpole at this weight.

Arnold at 235

Meso_z · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2011, 04:41:55 AM »

Quote from: SomeKindofMonster on May 31, 2011, 04:25:56 AM

Kai said that in 1999 he was 211 for his contests.
He is 2 inches shorter than Flex and Flex weighed 216
at the 1993 Arnold Classic. Only 5 pounds heavier.
I also noticed he looked smaller than most of the other heavyweights
at the World Championships.
Why is it that some like Arnold look humongous at 235 and 6'1.5
and Gunter would look like a (relative) beanpole at this weight.

Arnold at 235

He simply was not 211.

YngiweRhoads · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2011, 05:33:31 AM »

He looks to be a buck 80 at most.

TRIX · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2011, 05:38:20 AM »

kai has a huge head, the closer the camera is zoomed in the bigger they look.

Tito24 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2011, 05:48:41 AM »

thats it, i want to book kai for an hour now im certain

Meso_z · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:13:53 AM »

Quote from: YngiweRhoads on May 31, 2011, 05:33:31 AM

He looks to be a buck 80 at most.

yes..

Papper · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:25:44 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on May 31, 2011, 05:48:41 AM

thats it, i want to book kai for an hour now im certain

Mild frottage? Or the whole nine yards?

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:27:21 AM »

I believe kai has been lying about his weight or exaggerating about it for a while now. He claims he was 272 at the NY Pro. That's the smallest 272 pounds I've ever seen. He also claimed he was 300 in the off season.

mass243 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:30:11 AM »

Some guys just look bigger at the same bodyweight than others.

Let's take Dillet. I recall he was not over 300 pounds and was tall as fuk. He still looked bigger than any other guy. Excellent structure.

Or Flex Wheeler. Looked much bigger than his weight would have suggested.

Immortal_Technique · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2011, 02:13:23 PM »

211 isn't very heavy guys. I think perhaps in the 70s guys had comparitively little weight in their legs so they had massive upper bodies, and especially chest and arms, but still didn't weigh mega poundages because their legs weighed fuck all. Kai is someone who carries a higher percentage of his weight in his legs than most, even back then.

The same reasoning applies to Gunther, he has some serious bulk in his quads and back and waist, but doesn't look 60lb heavier than arnold in any pose where arms and chest are emphasised, because that's not where he's carrying most of his weight. Hence the progress of bodybuilding to more overall development has created less aesthetic, less "wow factor" competitors, arguably. The 90s seems to be when the balance was best. Now days guys weigh 300lb of delts, lats and gut, but have no arms or legs!

jude2 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:27:37 PM »

Quote from: YngiweRhoads on May 31, 2011, 05:33:31 AM

He looks to be a buck 80 at most.

How can he be 180 if he competed in the heavy weight class which is well you guys should at least know that.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2011, 06:37:15 PM »

Quote from: SomeKindofMonster on May 31, 2011, 04:25:56 AM

Kai said that in 1999 he was 211 for his contests.
He is 2 inches shorter than Flex and Flex weighed 216
at the 1993 Arnold Classic. Only 5 pounds heavier.
I also noticed he looked smaller than most of the other heavyweights
at the World Championships.
Why is it that some like Arnold look humongous at 235 and 6'1.5
and Gunter would look like a (relative) beanpole at this weight.

Arnold at 235

that song in kais video by cassie came out in 2006?

The Grim Lifter · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:22:00 PM »

Quote from: Immortal_Technique on May 31, 2011, 02:13:23 PM

211 isn't very heavy guys. I think perhaps in the 70s guys had comparitively little weight in their legs so they had massive upper bodies, and especially chest and arms, but still didn't weigh mega poundages because their legs weighed fuck all. Kai is someone who carries a higher percentage of his weight in his legs than most, even back then.

The same reasoning applies to Gunther, he has some serious bulk in his quads and back and waist, but doesn't look 60lb heavier than arnold in any pose where arms and chest are emphasised, because that's not where he's carrying most of his weight. Hence the progress of bodybuilding to more overall development has created less aesthetic, less "wow factor" competitors, arguably. The 90s seems to be when the balance was best. Now days guys weigh 300lb of delts, lats and gut, but have no arms or legs!

211 at 5'8' in contest shape is a very good weight. Sure Branch is like 230+ at 5'6' but that's a freak.

njflex · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2011, 07:44:45 PM »

Quote from: The Grim Lifter on May 31, 2011, 07:22:00 PM

211 at 5'8' in contest shape is a very good weight. Sure Branch is like 230+ at 5'6' but that's a freak.

an supposedly clean?thats a stretch natural at that height /weight...

Secret Stack · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2011, 09:28:45 AM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on May 31, 2011, 06:37:15 PM

that song in kais video by cassie came out in 2006?

correct. weird tho because it was definitely a 1999 contest. check the writting in the background.

Secret Stack · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2011, 09:47:02 AM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on May 31, 2011, 06:37:15 PM

that song in kais video by cassie came out in 2006?

worked it out. the one with cassies song is the "fake". someones edited it into that clip.

the "real" from 3.22...

PJim · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:06:44 AM »

Kai is easily 260-270 now. His leg and back thickness alone would make up most of that weight.

PJim · « **Reply #17 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:10:27 AM »

Look at the leg thickness between Kai and Burneika for example.

BayGBM · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:13:31 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on May 31, 2011, 05:48:41 AM

thats it, i want to book kai for an hour now im certain

That would cost you! He is tier 3 and coming up on tier 2 fast!!!

Sam · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2011, 10:23:24 AM »

Quote from: mass243 on May 31, 2011, 11:30:11 AM

Some guys just look bigger at the same bodyweight than others.

Let's take Dillet. I recall he was not over 300 pounds and was tall as fuk. He still looked bigger than any other guy. Excellent structure.

Or Flex Wheeler. Looked much bigger than his weight would have suggested.

Bone structure plays a big part in it also - Wheeler had a much lighter skeletel frame than almost every bb over 5''10. I bet his wrists were smaller than 7in Hence flex wheeler at 216 is much more muscular than Kai at 211. Kai's skeletel weight may be between 5-10lbs more than wheelers.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2011, 02:28:00 PM »

his cock accounts for a good 10 lbs

cephissus · « **Reply #21 on:** June 01, 2011, 02:52:52 PM »

why do we scoff at steroid usage claims without questioning height/bodyweight claims?

I don't believe Arnold was 6'2" or 6'1" for a second. 5'11" maybe.

SomeKindofMonster · « **Reply #22 on:** June 01, 2011, 04:39:51 PM »

Quote from: Immortal_Technique on May 31, 2011, 02:13:23 PM

211 isn't very heavy guys. I think perhaps in the 70s guys had comparitively little weight in their legs so they had massive upper bodies, and especially chest and arms, but still didn't weigh mega poundages because their legs weighed fuck all. Kai is someone who carries a higher percentage of his weight in his legs than most, even back then.

The same reasoning applies to Gunther, he has some serious bulk in his quads and back and waist, but doesn't look 60lb heavier than arnold in any pose where arms and chest are emphasised, because that's not where he's carrying most of his weight. Hence the progress of bodybuilding to more overall development has created less aesthetic, less "wow factor" competitors, arguably. The 90s seems to be when the balance was best. Now days guys weigh 300lb of delts, lats and gut, but have no arms or legs!

This is a good answer as well as someone who pointed out bone structure.
Delts, chest and arms can make you look big and impressive
but the really big 3 are legs, glutes and back as far as weight is concerned.
Appreciate the answers...