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Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« on: January 09, 2011, 06:56:42 AM »
January 8, 2011
Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
By CARL HULSE and KATE ZERNIKE

WASHINGTON — The shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and others at a neighborhood meeting in Arizona on Saturday set off what is likely to be a wrenching debate over anger and violence in American politics.

While the exact motivations of the suspect in the shootings remained unclear, an Internet site tied to the man, Jared Lee Loughner, contained antigovernment ramblings. And regardless of what led to the episode, it quickly focused attention on the degree to which inflammatory language, threats and implicit instigations to violence have become a steady undercurrent in the nation’s political culture.

Clarence W. Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff, seemed to capture the mood of the day at an evening news conference when he said it was time for the country to “do a little soul-searching.”

“It’s not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included,” Sheriff Dupnik said. “That’s the sad thing about what’s going on in America: pretty soon we’re not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people willing to subject themselves to serve in public office.”

In the hours immediately after the shooting of Ms. Giffords, a Democrat, and others in a supermarket parking lot in Tucson, members of both parties found rare unity in their sorrow. Top Republicans including Speaker John A. Boehner and Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona quickly condemned the violence.

“An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve,” Mr. Boehner said in a statement. “Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society.”

President Obama made a brief appearance at the White House, calling the shooting an “unspeakable act” and promising to “get to the bottom of this.”

Not since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 has an event generated as much attention as to whether extremism, antigovernment sentiment and even simple political passion at both ends of the ideological spectrum have created a climate promoting violence. The fallout seemed to hold the potential to upend the effort by Republicans to keep their agenda front and center in the new Congress and to alter the political narrative in other ways.

The House was set to vote Wednesday on the new Republican majority’s proposal to repeal the health care law that had energized their supporters and ignited opposition from the Tea Party movement. Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the new majority leader, said Saturday that the vote and other planned legislative activity would be postponed.

The original health care legislation stirred strong feelings that flared at angry town hall meetings held by many Democratic lawmakers during the summer of 2009. And there has been broader anger and suspicion rising about the government, its finances and its goals, with the discourse partially fueled by talk shows and Web sites.

Tea Party activists also condemned the shooting. Judson Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, noted on his Web site that Ms. Giffords is “a liberal,” but added, “that does not matter now. No one should be a victim of violence because of their political beliefs.”

But others said it was hard to separate what had happened from the heated nature of the debate that has swirled around Mr. Obama and Democratic policies of the past two years.

“It is fair to say — in today’s political climate, and given today’s political rhetoric — that many have contributed to the building levels of vitriol in our political discourse that have surely contributed to the atmosphere in which this event transpired,” said a statement issued by the leaders of the National Jewish Democratic Council. Ms. Giffords is the first Jewish woman elected to the House from her state.


During last spring’s health care votes, the language used against some lawmakers was ratcheted up again, with protesters outside the House hurling insults and slurs. The offices of some Democrats, including Ms. Giffords’s in Tucson, were vandalized.

Ms. Giffords was also among a group of Democratic House candidates featured on the Web site of Sarah Palin’s political action committee with cross hairs over their districts, a fact that disturbed Ms. Giffords at the time.

“We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”

The image is no longer on the Web site, and Ms. Palin posted a statement saying “my sincere condolences are offered to the family of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.” (Late Saturday, the map was still on Ms. Palin’s Facebook page.)

Democrats have also pointed out cases where Republican candidates seemed to raise the prospect of armed revolt if Washington did not change its ways.

But many Republicans have noted that they too are subject to threats and abuse, and during the health care fight some suggested Democrats were trying to cut off responsible opposition and paint themselves as victims.

Sensitive to the issue, Tea Party activists in Arizona said they quickly reviewed their membership lists to check whether the suspect, Mr. Loughner, was associated with them. They said they found no evidence that he was.

Tea Party members in Tucson had disagreed sharply with Ms. Giffords, particularly as the health care debate unfolded, but she ended up backing the measure despite the political risks. They strongly supported her opponent, Jesse Kelly, in the November election, and staged several protests outside her office.

DeAnn Hatch, a co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party, said her group had never staged any rallies against the congresswoman elsewhere, and she did not believe there were any Tea Party protesters at the event Saturday.

“I want to strongly, strongly say we absolutely do not advocate violence,” she said. “This is just a tragedy to no end.”

But others said it would be hard to separate this shooting from the ideological clash.

“At a time like this, it is terrible that we do have to think about politics, but no matter what the shooter’s motivations were, the left is going to blame this on the Tea Party movement,” Mr. Phillips, from Tea Party Nation, said on his Web site.

“While we need to take a moment to extend our sympathies to the families of those who died, we cannot allow the hard left to do what it tried to do in 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing,” he wrote. “Within the entire political spectrum, there are extremists, both on the left and the right. Violence of this nature should be decried by everyone and not used for political gain.”
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 07:10:13 AM »
What nonsense.  Pure pap and drivel. 

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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 07:50:59 AM »
Just about what I'd expect from the douchbag left. This women used to be a Republican. I suspect she became a Dem so she could run...much like Jim Webb. Her views were pretty centrist. She was targeted because this kid was a nut...dragging the tea party...well if that picks up steam I'd say that this shooting would then drag it into the realm of a conspiracy to silence the tea party, silence debate, re look the 2nd amendment etc. Maybe this poor woman was a sacrificial lamb on the altar of Obama and his leftist agenda.  IF you bastards can blame Bush for 911...we can easily blame Obama for this.
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 07:56:32 AM »
In all reality, this kid was a wack job with views all over the place. They'll blame guns, the cops blah blah blah...but if he was never arrested or committed he could buy a gun and do what he did. If you want something to be done, expect your rights to be severly curtailed.
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 08:03:42 AM »
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 08:11:01 AM »
Flashback: Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ (the REAL Arizona instigator)
WSJ ^ | 6/14/2008 | Amy Chozick


Edited on Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:04:06 AM by Admin Moderator. [history]


Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?

That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”




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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 08:21:57 AM »
Democratic Strategist Eagerly Pushes Obama To Exploit The Arizona Tragedy
Business Insider ^ | 1/9/11 | Joe Weisenthal


From what we know about Jared Lee Loughner, there's nothing to suggest his politics could be characterized as "Tea Party" or even conservative.

Mainly he fits the category known as "whack job," but that won't stop Democrats from figuring out ways to exploit this.


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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 08:29:39 AM »
Oh yeah...if Boener had'nt said they'd delay the heathcare repeal debate...I'm sure the Obama folks would have put that bug in his ear. Now you have the sheriff of that city blaming talk radio and cable news...The fucking Repubs need to come out swinging on this if the Dems do this. They need to show the left for what they are. The fact is, the sheriff may not have done his job....or nobody at all but the nutbag himself, is to blame.
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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 08:38:12 AM »
Claire McCaskill (D) Calls For Violence ("Pitchforks") If Dems Don’t Get Their Historic Tax Hikes
FOXNews.com ^ | 1/9/11



Obama lackey Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) and her democratic colleagues held a press conference today. The liberal senator called for violence if democrats don't get their historic tax hikes.

McCaskill told the press that if democrats were not allowed to raise taxes on the rich,

"It really is time for Americans to take up pitchforks."

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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 09:19:13 AM »
Wasn't the shooter a registered Democrat?

All those crazy left wing nutjobs! Shooting everything up! We should repeal the 2nd amendment! He was taking his cues right from Olbermann and the MSNBC propaganda hate machine!


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Re: Bloodshed Puts New Focus on Vitriol in Politics
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2011, 02:18:12 PM »


Chris Matthews Blames Tea Party for Gifford Shooting
Brian Koenig ^ | 8/2/11 | Brian Koenig




If there's one thing Chris Matthews is good at, it's spewing rhetoric-infested propaganda that generally ends up making himself look like an ignorant dunce. Indeed, while the rest of the country was celebrating Gabrielle Gifford's surprise visit to Washington today, Matthews was lumping "gun-toting" Tea Partiers into the same category as psychotic murderers. Here is MSNBC's crazy nut job host in his attempt to play "hardball":

"It’s also important to remember why she was, why she was coming back. She was shot by a violent act, of course a person using a gun, breaking up a political meeting with a gun, bringing one to a political event which we saw a lot of during the Tea Party demonstrations, people carrying firearms to political events. The violent level of the right-wing in this country, not particularly this case but generally where people feel the need to show firearms at political events, I think that’s a bad development in our history to bring guns to political events."


"You should come to argue not to show your firearms. And to have now this horrible case of a woman who was shot down in her political act, meeting with her constituents shot, only not dead because of modern medicine and her character and her resilience, that is all part of this story this year, Howard, and I’m not going to forget it."

Matthews was careful not to directly accuse the Tea Party as responsible for the Gifford shooting, but his insinuation is quite obvious. But also, quite false. After all, last time I checked, two of Jared Loughner's favorite books are Mein Kempf and the Communist Manifesto - not exactly Tea Party-friendly literature.

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