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Interesting..
« on: November 11, 2011, 12:11:41 AM »
Paul had 62% of the vote when they took the poll down.  >:(



http://civiliansnews.com/2011/11/10/cnbc-poll/

Ron Paul WHITEWASHED from CNBC Poll

Every Republican debate over the course of the past year has usually been followed by an online poll posing a simple question to the viewer:  Who do you feel won tonight’s debate?

So far, Ron Paul has surged in every post-debate online poll. Civilians News is unable to provide links to previous post-debate polls, as extensive searching concludes they have been removed. However, having taken part in every single one of them, take my word for it, Paul has done well.

Well, last night was no different. Immediately following the debate, an interactive CNBC poll was launched on, and Ron Paul took an overwhelming lead. That is, until the poll was deactivated.  That’s right, it was taken offline after only 25 minutes of voting.

Commenting on the CNBC poll, Managing Editor Allen Wastler issued the following statement:

Gamed Poll… So We Took It Down

We had a poll up from our Republican Presidential Debate asking readers who they thought won. One candidate was leading by such a margin that it became obvious the polling wasn’t so much a reading of our audience, but of the Internet prowess of this particular candidate’s political organization. We have therefore taken the poll down. Yes, we’ve gone through this exercise before.

Apparently a CNBC poll did the same thing to Ron Paul during the last election cycle. Read this statement by Wastler from 2007.

They are claiming that the results of the poll don’t accurately represent their viewing audience. As far as Wastler is concerned, the high Ron Paul numbers are nothing, but the result of his base being so active on the internet.

This is spurious logic.

Online polls, at least ones that expect to be taken seriously, are designed to limit people to one response per IP address. Therefore, assuming the CNBC poll is a reputable, we should be able to assume that Ron Paul supporters weren’t casting votes by the dozen.  If that is a given, then what is Wastler really arguing?  Is he arguing that young people who support Ron Paul tend to use the internet more, so their voices don’t count on the online poll? Judging by the number of You Tube views the other candidates are receiving, not to mention their Twitter followings, it’s clear that the Internet is not some sort of magical power reserved solely by the coven of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul may have some kind of an edge with internet support, but isn’t that the risk when running an online poll?  You know, getting responses from internet users? Actually, there is one candidate who has a strong, if not stronger, internet presence than Ron Paul – Barack Obama.  Would CNBC whitewash an online poll that Obama ran away with?  I highly doubt it.

Who’s to say exactly who cast the votes in the CNBC poll and why?  Maybe it was a shadowy group of Paul supporters looking to drop a polling bomb. There’s just as much of a chance that some voters are possibly getting tired of Herman Cain’s flurry of food metaphors and patronizing slogans, or disgusted by Rick Perry’s utterly embarrassing moment.  CNBC shouldn’t play judge, jury and executioner when it comes to a matter like this. If they really felt strongly about potential skewed results, an asterisk or an editorial article would have sufficed.  Instead, in true Ministry of Truth fashion, they blacked out the poll completely.  Now the talking heads chime in near unanimity that Mitt Romney was the clear winner.

The CNBC poll is just another example of subtle censorship practiced by corporate media. It serves as a literal example of how democracy is threatened by our media.

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Re: Interesting..
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2011, 02:47:36 AM »
They do it all the time to Paul.  They did it constantly during the 08 election and they are doing it just as constant now.  I don't doubt for a second that those doing the major polling are doing the same thing.  They've probably seen results they don't understand and have adjusted them just like everyone else is doing to Paul just like they did in 08...  You can pretty much pop into any forum where there is a poll being taken and see that Paul leads.  Now people like BB and Bill O'Reilly will have you believe that is only because a small group of people are so motivated that they can change every poll on the net along with showing up to place him high or winning straw polls.  They have the most obsurd paranoid conspiracy theory ever...

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 02:58:38 AM »
I always have to get back to why is it that the much younger candidates do not have the same enthusiastic supporters that Ron Paul does?  One would assume that "Top Tier" candidates would have a hell of a following willing to put forth the effort to catapult them into the online polls.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2011, 03:28:48 AM »
I always have to get back to why is it that the much younger candidates do not have the same enthusiastic supporters that Ron Paul does?  One would assume that "Top Tier" candidates would have a hell of a following willing to put forth the effort to catapult them into the online polls.
The other candidates actually do try to rally their followers the same way that Ron Paul does. After each debate, there are links from supporting sites to onlines polls no different than Paul does.  Ron Paul doesn't do anything more or less than the others; he just gets blamed when the outcome is in his favor.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 05:08:58 AM »
They do it all the time to Paul.  They did it constantly during the 08 election and they are doing it just as constant now.  I don't doubt for a second that those doing the major polling are doing the same thing.  They've probably seen results they don't understand and have adjusted them just like everyone else is doing to Paul just like they did in 08...  You can pretty much pop into any forum where there is a poll being taken and see that Paul leads.  Now people like BB and Bill O'Reilly will have you believe that is only because a small group of people are so motivated that they can change every poll on the net along with showing up to place him high or winning straw polls.  They have the most obsurd paranoid conspiracy theory ever...

I agree.  You know those so called "mainstream polls" like abc/cbs/cnn/fox news polls where they have Paul anywhere from 8 to 12 percent and easily manipulated by the establishment.  You know the heads of these news agencies are in the back pocket of the establishment so why wouldn't they have the power to simply knock RP's numbers down a few percentage points int heir polls?
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Re: Interesting..
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 08:59:09 AM »
Meh.  I don't blame them.  Same thing happened in 2008.  He dominated online polls and did not perform well on election day.  I've posted the results of a number of primary votes in 2008:  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394271.0  

What this shows is the online polls as they relate to Ron Paul are unreliable.  I anticipate we'll see the same thing in 2012.  

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 09:04:24 AM »
Meh.  
yea, that about sums up what most think of your opinion on Paul...


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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 09:18:23 AM »
yea, that about sums up what most think of your opinion on Paul...


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My opinion about online poll results and his actual 2008 debate performance is based on the facts.  Some people don't like dealing with facts.