What are the purpose of Pro-Hormones?

[240_Iz_Nutz]

Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html

Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?

It's a good question. In a sense some of that stuff was actually doing people a favor if they wanted gains. On the other hand being mislabeled is dishonest to people who don't know any better. I'm not sure what to think about it. Those old Ergo supps worked like mad. The old Adipo Kenetix was fucking nuts too. Slightly different topic, but crazy good supp, better than clen.

[Van_Bilderass]

It's a good question. In a sense some of that stuff was actually doing people a favor if they wanted gains. On the other hand being mislabeled is dishonest to people who don't know any better. I'm not sure what to think about it. Those old Ergo supps worked like mad. The old Adipo Kenetix was fucking nuts too. Slightly different topic, but crazy good supp, better than clen.

I know lots of kids in the gym who say they never took steroids. I sometimes ask if they took Jungle Warfare. If they say yes, then I say yes you did take steroids.

I don't see this as a favor of any kind. The product should contain exactly what's on the label and nothing else.

[Van_Bilderass]

Gaspari even had orastan-E wich was like winstrol but Gaspari made a small run of orastan-A wich if you were connected to the company you could get a few cases and a few of Richs friends got some cases but if you called to order Orastan-A they claimed it did not exist.Yet I had a case of it when I called.

Did you see my link re Orastan? Like winstrol my ass.

http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html

Steroids. 2009 Mar;74(3):322-8. doi: 10.1016/j.steroids.2008.11.006. Epub 2008 Nov 17.
Identification of steroid isoxazole isomers marketed as designer supplement.
Parr MK, Gütschow M, Daniels J, Opfermann G, Thevis M, Schänzer W.
Source

Center for Preventive Doping Research, Institute of Biochemistry, German Sport University Cologne, Carl-Diem-Weg 6, 50933 Cologne, Germany. m.parr@biochem.dshs-koeln.de
Abstract

The product Orastan-A from Gaspari Nutrition was analyzed for its steroid content. According to the labeling, it is supposed to contain "5a-Androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether", also called furazadrol-THP ether. The GC-MS analyses of the liberated steroids (after extraction from the capsule matrix and cleavage of the THP ether, TMS-derivative and underivatized) revealed mass spectra of two components, both inconsistent with the labeling. Thus, the steroids were characterized by different analytical techniques such as mass spectrometry, nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy and X-ray crystal structure analysis. They were identified as 17beta-hydroxyandrostano[3,2-c]isoxazole and -[2,3-d]isoxazole.

PMID:
    19061909

[whitewidow]

Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html

Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?

Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.

http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement

These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.

well what I said was in the original halodrol-50 as you saw for yourself was in those tablets. You have to understand they wanted to be vague about what was in the product to get it on the market. Yes what they did was shadey but that was one bad-ass product! The ingredients were silly and very vague! gaspari made no mention of any molecular structure or the DMT,masking agent,nothing! But all I have to say is that product was pure heat! By far the best oral I have tried and I have tried them all! The original halodrol-50 was like taking a form of anadrol that yielded nothing but lean muscle. anadrol with no water retention and crazy strength gains.I agree it was ver sleaxy sales tactics but they wanted to avoid the FDA.

Author L Rea same thing he brought out great products but was very vague on what it really was. I never said I agreed with alot of his products but he did have a good powder connection.  

I think Patrick Arnold is the best in the game but unfortunately he could not bring any products like that to the market due to the trouble he had been in for his role in the Balco scandal.

I agree it was a shadey way tpo conduct business and was missleading but when it came down to that first batch of halodrol-50 it was the best steroid ever! I have never used anything that could come close to those gains except maybe high quality trenbolone but the halodrol was cleaner then tren-IMO I didnlt experience any sides and I packed on muscle on top of muscle with insane strength gains and great overall sense of well being. way better then real Turinabol and I have taken real potent turinabol befor I took the halodrol-50.

[whitewidow]

Did you see my link re Orastan? Like winstrol my ass.

http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html

have you tried orastan-E or orastan-A? I have tried real british dragon winstrol 50mg tablets and british dispensary azolol. very similar but of course it is not going to be exactly like winstrol. I never talked up orastan-E or A. I know they were effective but I was more impressed with halodrol-50, M1T ,superdrol and 1-Test cypionate. those are the 4 compounds I found very potent steroids and could match up with the most potent steroids.

[whitewidow]

Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html

Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?

Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.

http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement

These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.

you have to realize at that time they already had a huge pro-hormone/designer steroid ban in jan 2005. all these compounds mentioned came out after jan 20th 2005 and they had to be careful and very vague listing the real ingredients. they wanted to make money but not get taken down by the fda or dea. was it the right thing to do? probably not but money makes people greedy and they will do anything for more money even if it means making the ingredients very vague and leaving customers taking risks on what they are taking. that is why you wait for others to take it and see what kind of gains and side effects they are experiencing.I am glad they brought the halodrol-50 to the market as it was a treat to be able to use that product.

[deadpan]

oh shit, van b's posting again? awesome