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Re: Is Craze done? Bodybuilding.com suspends the sale of it.
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2013, 06:21:31 AM »

x2...never herad of it.

you posted a while ago you couldn't sleep when you took it

brutal short term memory loss due to losing heat through top of head
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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2013, 06:23:36 AM »
you posted a while ago you couldn't sleep when you took it

brutal short term memory loss due to losing heat through top of head


Was it Craze ??? :-\


...I meant all crap like that

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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2013, 06:28:53 AM »

Was it Craze ??? :-\


...I meant all crap like that

yes it was

I suggest you research Alzheimer's on the tinternetz
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2013, 08:06:36 AM »
Purge, regardless of what you think of the players in this saga, do you believe Craze contained/contains the alleged compound, the "ETH"? And if you think it does, do you think it was an ethical thing to do?

From what I've read, some samples had ETH in them and some didn't. That should raise eyebrows.

If Cahill spiked his products, then he should expect repercussions. But even then, our all-knowing government voted to loosen regulations on dietary supplements, which makes fiascos like this more likely.

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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2013, 09:26:46 AM »
These guys seem like they just go through Vida and see if any Chinese warehouses can synthesis the steroid cheaply. Same with the amphetamines. They go for orphan or abandoned drugs that aren't federally restricted and pump them out until they get clamped down on. I'll admit that I've purchased some of these supplements and that they do work okay, but it's a bit too sketchy and conventional drugs work better and have some information available on them.

I think DS and Cahill should be made an example of this time around. They've pushed the bill and should have the book thrown at them.

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Re: Is Craze done? Bodybuilding.com suspends the sale of it.
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2013, 09:28:47 AM »
Sawdust.

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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2013, 10:34:02 AM »
These guys seem like they just go through Vida and see if any Chinese warehouses can synthesis the steroid cheaply. Same with the amphetamines. They go for orphan or abandoned drugs that aren't federally restricted and pump them out until they get clamped down on. I'll admit that I've purchased some of these supplements and that they do work okay, but it's a bit too sketchy and conventional drugs work better and have some information available on them.

I think DS and Cahill should be made an example of this time around. They've pushed the bill and should have the book thrown at them.

If the product is conclusively proven to contain this specific ingredient look for DS to put blame on someone else, a Chinese source or whatever. But Cahill was very sneaky, he included an ingredient on the label with the exact same molecular weight as the "ETH", to fool testers if they suspected shenanigans. Now here it gets interesting, the product does NOT contain this other labeled ingredient at all!

So, we have one undeclared ingredient, one that likely falls under the analogue act.

Does not contain a declared ingredient.

And there's more. I have seen experts say Dendrobium doesn't contain any  of the phenethylamines that the label lists as being extracted from the plant.

I bet there's no plant material in the product at all. It's just a "bath salt" type of concoction of all synthetic compounds. So it's no mistake on anyone's part that the ETH ended up in the product, all very much planned.

Apparently Gaspari sourced the "dendrobium" from DS/Cahill for their Detonate product, so they may be in trouble as well.

This Ron Cramer dude who has a major hard on for Gaspari says Gaspari's Plasmajet product contained a Viagra analogue. Despite the personal vendetta, I bet he's right. I told a friend who has used the Plasmajet about this and he goes, "well, a lot of guys tell me they use Plasmajet before fucking". :D What a bunch of scumbags.

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Re: Is Craze done? Bodybuilding.com suspends the sale of it.
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2013, 10:58:19 AM »
If the product is conclusively proven to contain this specific ingredient look for DS to put blame on someone else, a Chinese source or whatever. But Cahill was very sneaky, he included an ingredient on the label with the exact same molecular weight as the "ETH", to fool testers if they suspected shenanigans. Now here it gets interesting, the product does NOT contain this other labeled ingredient at all!

So, we have one undeclared ingredient, one that likely falls under the analogue act.

Does not contain a declared ingredient.

And there's more. I have seen experts say Dendrobium doesn't contain any  of the phenethylamines that the label lists as being extracted from the plant.

I bet there's no plant material in the product at all. It's just a "bath salt" type of concoction of all synthetic compounds. So it's no mistake on anyone's part that the ETH ended up in the product, all very much planned.

Apparently Gaspari sourced the "dendrobium" from DS/Cahill for their Detonate product, so they may be in trouble as well.

This Ron Cramer dude who has a major hard on for Gaspari says Gaspari's Plasmajet product contained a Viagra analogue. Despite the personal vendetta, I bet he's right. I told a friend who has used the Plasmajet about this and he goes, "well, a lot of guys tell me they use Plasmajet before fucking". :D What a bunch of scumbags.

I wouldn't doubt that different batches has undeclared ingredients whether it's unbeknownst or not. He's gotten sloppy in my opinion and probably knew this day would come. Will probably try blaming the supplier.

Ron Cramer is a fucking ass but I think Plasmajet had something funky in it too. I'd get rock hard erections and powerful headaches from it just like when I've taken Viagra. Speaking of erections, does he still have one over Rich and Gaspari Nutrition? All those knuckleheads used to duke it out over at bb.com years ago.

I remember seeing the box and thinking it looked like Jins so I bought i. I kept the Plasmajet boxes and used to stash my gear in them after I realized supplements were shit. ;D