Will it or wont it

[tonymctones]

happen, will we strike syria or no?

Honestly I think no

obama will come out on Tuesday and make one of his "signiture" speeches in which he doesnt say anything at all. He will not present evidence only elude to it, saying it shows this and shows that.

The public will continue to push their representatives as they will still be against this war and obama will fold.

[Pray_4_War]

I say yes.  Obama won't get his way in the House but he'll do it anyway.

[240 is Back]

i say it'll be a few surgical strikes... obama gets his win, libs brag we avoided a war, everyone keeps mccain happy. 


honestly, i dont think we can do nothing here.  cause if so, govts everywhere can start using sarin gas on their peeps and they know NOBODY will punish them.  Send in a few missiles and call it a day.

[tonymctones]

honestly, i dont think we can do nothing here.  cause if so, govts everywhere can start using sarin gas on their peeps and they know NOBODY will punish them.

LMFAO, you cannot be serious?

[240 is Back]

LMFAO, you cannot be serious?

i dont give a shit what happens in syria.  however, if China glasses 40 million people tomorrow, is that cool?  If russia gasses 50 million chechnyans tomorrow (are there even that many?  lol), do we do nothing?

touch position to be in here.  Gassing of 1000 people becomes ethnic cleansing of tens of millions of people when nations sit idly by.

Tony, would you have sat by and let Hitler take over all of Europe in the 1940s, because it didn't affect us? 

it's really a tough line to walk... stopping small threats while they are small, and addressing small atrocities when they are small.  hitler did some terrible things and "nobody whated to get involved..."

[240 is Back]

but at the same time, i can't argue when people say "it's not our problem". 

Cause literally, it's not. 

If the couple that lived next door... let's say, a big butch chick and her meth head commonlaw hubby... let's say they liked to fight.  One day, it's in the yard.  They're beating the heck out of each other.  You call the cops, but we all know they take an hour to arrive.  Suddenly, the wife is clubbing him.  He's all sorts of fcked up.  You're watching from your porch.  Do you get involved?  Well, it's not your problem . He's a meth head, she'll end up in jail for killing him.  Society is better, and you have no legal obligation to do anything.  It's the cops job, and they're not showing up yet.

Still, you get involved, don't you?  Maybe she kills him and you feel bad.  Maybe she kills him, puts body in trunk and disappears it, and now you have a murderer (one who knows you witnessed it) living right next door.  How long until this murdererous neighbor (not your problem) is suddenly sneaking in to stab you in your sleep? 

Shit, look at this completely preventable mess.  All because people didn't stop a minor problem when they could.



You're 100% right if you say not our problem, we're broke, let them kill each other, etc.  But it's one of those tough situations in this world...you have to kill/subdue/control a monster while it's small.  Let it kill other monsters and it consolidates power, commiting major atrocities along the way.

[tonymctones]

i dont give a shit what happens in syria.  however, if China glasses 40 million people tomorrow, is that cool?  If russia gasses 50 million chechnyans tomorrow (are there even that many?  lol), do we do nothing?

touch position to be in here.  Gassing of 1000 people becomes ethnic cleansing of tens of millions of people when nations sit idly by.

Tony, would you have sat by and let Hitler take over all of Europe in the 1940s, because it didn't affect us? 

it's really a tough line to walk... stopping small threats while they are small, and addressing small atrocities when they are small.  hitler did some terrible things and "nobody whated to get involved..."

hahah holy shit are you really comparing this to hitler and ww2?

you are such a fucking idiot it really isnt even funny anymore

[240 is Back]

hahah holy shit are you really comparing this to hitler and ww2?

you are such a fucking idiot it really isnt even funny anymore

okay, i guess that ends this discussion.  Have a great day bro.  Miami/FL is on

[tonymctones]

okay, i guess that ends this discussion.  Have a great day bro.  Miami/FL is on

lol yea you comparing syria to hitler and ww2 should be something that causes you to inspect the stupidity that is you.

if you really feel that this is comparable to hitler and ww2, then why are you not for a all out invasion?

you paint this as this atrocity that if left unpunished will deliver us to Armageddon, yet all you want to do is a few missile strikes after giving him days to fortify, move or prepare for them?

[Mr.1derful]

i dont give a shit what happens in syria.  however, if China glasses 40 million people tomorrow, is that cool?  If russia gasses 50 million chechnyans tomorrow (are there even that many?  lol), do we do nothing?

touch position to be in here.  Gassing of 1000 people becomes ethnic cleansing of tens of millions of people when nations sit idly by. Tony, would you have sat by and let Hitler take over all of Europe in the 1940s, because it didn't affect us?  

it's really a tough line to walk... stopping small threats while they are small, and addressing small atrocities when they are small.  hitler did some terrible things and "nobody whated to get involved..."

In that same vain, what should the rest of the world have done as retribution for the U.S having used chemical weapons, as in the case of agent orange, napalm and depleted uranium?  The U.S has no credibility to act with any sort of moral superiority on such issues, nor the right to act outside of the U.N Security Council.  Especially, when there's a considerable probability that the extremists the U.S is arming and funding may be the ones responsible for the chemical attacks in Syria in the first place.

[240 is Back]

oh, I agree the use of napalm and whatnot is seriously fcked.... we should have been sanctioned or reprimanded or whatever it is the international community does... I'm sure someone filed a complaint or something.  I didn't think about that aspect of it... round here, napalm and agent orange just taught as weapons of war... I've never really thought about them as "WMD" or "chemical weapons" but wow, I guess you're right about this.

lol yea you comparing syria to hitler and ww2 should be something that causes you to inspect the stupidity that is you.

if you really feel that this is comparable to hitler and ww2, then why are you not for a all out invasion?

you paint this as this atrocity that if left unpunished will deliver us to Armageddon, yet all you want to do is a few missile strikes after giving him days to fortify, move or prepare for them?

I simply pointed out that both sides are, well, kinda right.  I don't think we should invade.  But it's hard for me to say "Using WMD once is okay, we will do nothing.  Use it again next week on 2000 people, it's cool, we will do nothing".... Tony, at SOME point, the escalation will call for action.  I mean, even you woudl agree we should intervene is they gassed, say, 100 MILLION people, right?

So you agree with Obama - we should invade/intervene for mass murder on a large scale - your numbers are just higher.  And you haven't stated what the cutoff is, when we don't act and when we do.  UNless you wouldn't invade for 100 mil gassed people.

[Mr.1derful]

As is typical, this has nothing to do with civilian casualties, nothing.  This is about geopolitical ambitions, and very possibly, the natural gas pipeline that is wanted through Syria.  Notice that "chemical weapons" is the alleged catalyst to go in, but the gruesome beheadings and other atrocities on part of the rebels gets nary a mention.  The agenda behind going in is so overtly false, anyone with the vaguest powers of perception should know something is amiss.  

They are pushing so hard to go in, I'd be hard pressed to believe Obama will back off now.  They'll find some rational, no matter how phony, to go in, regardless of the repercussions.  History rarely notes prudence being exercised in such circumstances.  

[Soul Crusher]

http://presspass.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/08/20386023-mcdonough-says-attack-on-assad-regime-would-send-message-to-iran?lite

Obama is lying about syria.

[tonymctones]

I simply pointed out that both sides are, well, kinda right.  I don't think we should invade.  But it's hard for me to say "Using WMD once is okay, we will do nothing.  Use it again next week on 2000 people, it's cool, we will do nothing".... Tony, at SOME point, the escalation will call for action.  I mean, even you woudl agree we should intervene is they gassed, say, 100 MILLION people, right?

So you agree with Obama - we should invade/intervene for mass murder on a large scale - your numbers are just higher.  And you haven't stated what the cutoff is, when we don't act and when we do.  UNless you wouldn't invade for 100 mil gassed people.

so to you, killing 100k with guns and bombs is none of our business but gassing 1400 is enough to cause us to go to war?

please explain to me why killing 1400 with gas is worse than killing 100k by any other means?